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Re: Restaurant

Post by Bonin21 » Fri Jul 24 2:57 pm

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Is the Ox Cart Rooftop in STP open for drinks? Their websites are brutal as far as up to date information...
I am sure they have a phone number and I bet you have a phone.
They do. Found only on Google and not a single time on their website, so they aren't exactly customer-focused.
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Re: Restaurant

Post by MNGophers29 » Fri Jul 24 6:12 pm

Bonin21 wrote:
Fri Jul 24 2:57 pm
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Fri Jul 24 2:45 pm
Bonin21 wrote:
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Is the Ox Cart Rooftop in STP open for drinks? Their websites are brutal as far as up to date information...
I am sure they have a phone number and I bet you have a phone.
They do. Found only on Google and not a single time on their website, so they aren't exactly customer-focused.
Oh eff it, I will bite.....

If their website sucks and they aren't customer-focused, why do you care if they are open or not?
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Re: Restaurant

Post by Cowgirl » Sat Aug 08 6:14 pm

Is thirty bales not offering the big ten subs anymore?

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Is thirty bales not offering the big ten subs anymore?
Not that I know of. I don't know why, other than being morons. They were selling like crazy.

Tried the Minnetonka Drive Thru (the carhop on 15) today for lunch. It was rather tasty.
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Re: Restaurant

Post by Cowgirl » Sat Aug 08 6:49 pm

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Is thirty bales not offering the big ten subs anymore?
Not that I know of. I don't know why, other than being morons. They were selling like crazy.

Tried the Minnetonka Drive Thru (the carhop on 15) today for lunch. It was rather tasty.
Darn. We were finally going to go tomorrow but thankfully I checked the menu first. :anger:

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Cowgirl wrote:
Sat Aug 08 6:49 pm
The Rube wrote:
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Cowgirl wrote:
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Is thirty bales not offering the big ten subs anymore?
Not that I know of. I don't know why, other than being morons. They were selling like crazy.

Tried the Minnetonka Drive Thru (the carhop on 15) today for lunch. It was rather tasty.
Darn. We were finally going to go tomorrow but thankfully I checked the menu first. :anger:
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Post by davescharf » Tue Aug 25 7:51 pm

Izzy’s is closing their Minneapolis Ice Cream ship effective 8/31. They’re still going to sell on local grocery stores but I suspect it will be a small footprint.
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Post by Bigbeer » Tue Aug 25 8:21 pm

davescharf wrote:
Tue Aug 25 7:51 pm
Izzy’s is closing their Minneapolis Ice Cream ship effective 8/31. They’re still going to sell on local grocery stores but I suspect it will be a small footprint.
I’m not seeing this reported anywhere
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Post by Karlsson » Tue Aug 25 8:36 pm

Don't want to see a business go under, but I honestly think that both Sebastian Joe's and Pumphouse are better.

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Re: Restaurant

Post by Greyeagle » Tue Aug 25 8:47 pm

Bigbeer wrote:
Tue Aug 25 8:21 pm
davescharf wrote:
Tue Aug 25 7:51 pm
Izzy’s is closing their Minneapolis Ice Cream ship effective 8/31. They’re still going to sell on local grocery stores but I suspect it will be a small footprint.
I’m not seeing this reported anywhere
On their FB page.

https://www.facebook.com/izzysicecream
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Re: Restaurant

Post by Bigbeer » Tue Aug 25 8:51 pm

Greyeagle wrote:
Tue Aug 25 8:47 pm
Bigbeer wrote:
Tue Aug 25 8:21 pm
davescharf wrote:
Tue Aug 25 7:51 pm
Izzy’s is closing their Minneapolis Ice Cream ship effective 8/31. They’re still going to sell on local grocery stores but I suspect it will be a small footprint.
I’m not seeing this reported anywhere
On their FB page.

https://www.facebook.com/izzysicecream
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Post by Bigbeer » Tue Aug 25 9:00 pm

Izzys best offerings were off the charts good. They occasionally had a Key Lime Pie ice cream that used pieces of Birchwood Cafe pie including the crust....phenomenal
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Post by Karlsson » Tue Aug 25 9:05 pm

Bigbeer wrote:
Tue Aug 25 9:00 pm
Izzys best offerings were off the charts good.
That's true. When I picked the right flavor it was fantastic. I've just had better luck at the other places. Didn't matter what I picked, it was going to be good.

The location was nice, though. I liked wandering around gold medal park eating some ice cream.

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Re: Restaurant

Post by Bigbeer » Tue Aug 25 9:08 pm

Karlsson wrote:
Tue Aug 25 9:05 pm
Bigbeer wrote:
Tue Aug 25 9:00 pm
Izzys best offerings were off the charts good.
That's true. When I picked the right flavor it was fantastic. I've just had better luck at the other places. Didn't matter what I picked, it was going to be good.

The location was nice, though. I liked wandering around gold medal park eating some ice cream.
The St.Paul location seemed to be right on our way home far too many times
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Re: Restaurant

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Bigbeer wrote:
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The St.Paul location seemed to be right on our way home far too many times
My kids went to St. Mark's, it was always on our way! :lol:

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Post by The Rube » Tue Aug 25 10:07 pm

I'm curious as what's going to happen when the temps get colder and no patio seating is viable...

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I'm really worried that some small restaurants/breweries/etc won't survive.
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Greyeagle wrote:
Tue Aug 25 9:21 pm
Bigbeer wrote:
Tue Aug 25 9:08 pm
The St.Paul location seemed to be right on our way home far too many times
My kids went to St. Mark's, it was always on our way! :lol:

My daughter worked at Grand 'ole Creamery one summer, she could bring a pint home after each shift. 'twas a glorious summer!!
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Karlsson wrote:
Tue Aug 25 9:05 pm
Bigbeer wrote:
Tue Aug 25 9:00 pm
Izzys best offerings were off the charts good.
That's true. When I picked the right flavor it was fantastic. I've just had better luck at the other places. Didn't matter what I picked, it was going to be good.

The location was nice, though. I liked wandering around gold medal park eating some ice cream.
It seems like the last few years they haven’t had as many of the phenomenal flavors. I still think their Salted Caramel Ice Cream is as good as anything in town. It was an out of this world experience the first time I had it.

The two things I’ll miss most are their every other year Flavor Choice event and their waffle cones. The Taste testing in the Flavors Choice was a great Fathers Day event. The waffle cones are the best I’ve had.
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Post by frozen4champs » Mon Aug 31 12:36 pm

For those of us that have been to Boston for the Frozen Four, this is sad news. I really liked The Fours bar. I felt it was one of the nicest bars that is near the arena.

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Post by Zwak » Tue Sep 01 3:04 pm

My favorite restaurant in the Twin Cities, Butcher & The Boar, has closed. Sad to see it go but it has been off and on the delinquent liquor tax list for a long time. That's never a good sign.

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Post by Bonin21 » Tue Sep 01 3:55 pm

I only went once but thought it was amazing. Never made it back.

Even after the pandemic I don't think we'll see too many high end places pop up. The market here is just a little soft for that, and we all know Minneapolis isn't doing itself any favors to make people want to visit.

I wonder how BLG and Spoon and Stable are doing at the moment.
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Post by NYC Gopher fan » Tue Sep 01 4:44 pm

BLG has not reopened yet to my knowledge.

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BLG has not reopened yet to my knowledge.
Makes sense, so to answer the question of how they're doing, probably not well.
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Bonin21 wrote:
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BLG has not reopened yet to my knowledge.
Makes sense, so to answer the question of how they're doing, probably not well.
That would be the closure that would make me cry

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Here’s where you can access the MN liquor tax delinquency list. I get it emailed to me every week.

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Post by Cowgirl » Tue Sep 01 9:15 pm

What’s BLG? I’m not millennial enough to speak acronym as evidenced in the trivia thread. 😂😂

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Post by gopherguy06 » Tue Sep 01 9:20 pm

BLG = Bar La Grassa

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Bar La Grassa on Washington in the north loop. Great joint.

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Post by Cowgirl » Tue Sep 01 9:22 pm

Never heard of it. Guess that’s why I couldn’t figure it out. 😬

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Post by Vegoe » Wed Sep 02 9:50 am

I don't get out to restaurants really enough to get too worked up about losing Butcher & the Boar, but boy did I love the couple times I got there to eat. Same for BLG. If you are really passionate about any of the spots, good reminder to keep ordering take-out from them.

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Post by Bonin21 » Wed Sep 02 10:05 am

It doesn't seem to happen, but when these places are struggling or getting close to the end, they should be more open about it. Given the clientele at some of these places, people might be willing to chip in a decent amount of cash for a "fund raiser" to save one of their favorite restaurants.

I know that might be off brand for some of them, but it's frustrating to lose a restaurant you're supporting but would be willing to give more cash to.
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Post by NYC Gopher fan » Wed Sep 02 10:07 am

The owners of blg also haven’t reopened 112. I’m hoping they update at some point. Not sure the takeout only model is that viable for them, perhaps it would be.

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Post by Bonin21 » Wed Sep 02 11:30 am

Oh, fml... Nov 4...
My favorite pizza in the state. Now this is personal.
https://surlybrewing.com/beer-hall-clos ... efinitely/

I am praying they can open it back up in the spring. The drama is already starting about the timing with the union thing. This could get interesting.
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Bonin21 wrote:
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Oh, fml... Nov 4...
My favorite pizza in the state. Now this is personal.
https://surlybrewing.com/beer-hall-clos ... efinitely/

I am praying they can open it back up in the spring. The drama is already starting about the timing with the union thing. This could get interesting.
How? Sounds like those employees won’t be retained due to the beer hall closing.

Starting a union when you have no position with which to bargain is a bold strategy.

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Post by Bonin21 » Wed Sep 02 12:27 pm

How would they reopen? With new employees.

As far as the drama, if they are serious about losing 80% of revenue YoY, the union thing wouldn't have made a difference. But the employees feel like it was and will scream that.

If they want to get creative, team up with Piece Brewing in Chicago and let them lease and run the pizza joint under their name. Best pizza I've ever had. Figure out a self serve model for the beer downstairs (post covid vaccine). Charge $5 to get in the outdoor space. There are too many options for this place to not get back up and running eventually.
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Post by JC65 » Wed Sep 02 1:46 pm

If they do open in the next 3-6 months will a whole new staff, a functioning NLRB might have something to say about it.

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Planning to try to make it there this weekend. Gotta be awkward for the employees.
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Re: Restaurant

Post by Kelly Red » Wed Sep 02 6:51 pm

I never want to see any place close down, but Omar waaaaaaay over extended his operation and the current climate has caught him far short. Covid hastened the downfall but it almost seemed poised to happen eventually. That beer hall is much too big, square footage like that requires massive $$$ on a constant basis. First mistake, getting carried away and building too much. Second mistake, that ridiculous fine dining upper level. Money flowed out like water and not in. Third mistake thinking you can turn that same space into an event center. He’s a beer guy. He’s NOT a restaurant manager NOR is he an event planner. The size of those spaces alone required someone who had better knowledge. He’s outside his wheelhouse and financial decisions doomed the place.

I won’t even get into his treatment of his employees, an issue that was a problem long before Covid. But all these things combined are difficult if not impossible to overcome.
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Post by D2D » Wed Sep 02 7:02 pm

Kelly Red wrote:
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Second mistake, that ridiculous fine dining upper level. Money flowed out like water and not in. Third mistake thinking you can turn that same space into an event center.
One of the very last Blue Line Club meetings, just before the club went extinct, was held on that 2nd Floor. Other than the few club members who showed up, that whole floor was empty.
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Re: Restaurant

Post by davescharf » Wed Sep 02 8:51 pm

D2D wrote:
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Second mistake, that ridiculous fine dining upper level. Money flowed out like water and not in. Third mistake thinking you can turn that same space into an event center.
One of the very last Blue Line Club meetings, just before the club went extinct, was held on that 2nd Floor. Other than the few club members who showed up, that whole floor was empty.
I remembered shortly after it opened they had a $10k minimum if you wanted to book a wedding reception on a Friday or Saturday night. I think it may have been $6k the other nights.

Rumor has it the cost of the entire place was 40 million to build. The beer hall seemed to print money before the pandemic but that’s still a huge debt to pay if true
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I've been hearing that Omar also ran his parents' business into the ground in about 5 years, after 35 years of existing (pre-Surly).

IMO, Todd (head brewer) leaving and Todd's wife (ahem) resigning a couple years ago was the first brick to fall. Then the Tips Lawsuit hit Surly. There was the second brick. I don't want to see anyone go out of business, but Omar isn't doing himself any favors....
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Re: Restaurant

Post by Karlsson » Wed Sep 02 10:14 pm

I think Kelly hit the nail on the head. Omar had a great idea a while back, then got too big for his britches. It's too bad, but it appears other places will have to finish getting this state's beer laws completely out of the stone age

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Re: Restaurant

Post by The Rube » Wed Sep 02 10:16 pm

Karlsson wrote:
Wed Sep 02 10:14 pm
I think Kelly hit the nail on the head. Omar had a great idea a while back, then got too big for his britches. It's too bad, but it appears other places will have to finish getting this state's beer laws completely out of the stone age
She had many a good point, but also, who could have seen the Rona coming like it did? That was the nail in the coffin for inefficient businesses, or at least ones run poorly.
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Re: Restaurant

Post by Karlsson » Wed Sep 02 10:20 pm

The Rube wrote:
Wed Sep 02 10:16 pm
Karlsson wrote:
Wed Sep 02 10:14 pm
I think Kelly hit the nail on the head. Omar had a great idea a while back, then got too big for his britches. It's too bad, but it appears other places will have to finish getting this state's beer laws completely out of the stone age
She had many a good point, but also, who could have seen the Rona coming like it did? That was the nail in the coffin for inefficient businesses, or at least ones run poorly.
Of course it is speeding things up rapidly. But it is also killing small ones that were run quite well. Surly definitely falls into the former.

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Re: Restaurant

Post by The Rube » Wed Sep 02 10:24 pm

Karlsson wrote:
Wed Sep 02 10:20 pm
The Rube wrote:
Wed Sep 02 10:16 pm
Karlsson wrote:
Wed Sep 02 10:14 pm
I think Kelly hit the nail on the head. Omar had a great idea a while back, then got too big for his britches. It's too bad, but it appears other places will have to finish getting this state's beer laws completely out of the stone age
She had many a good point, but also, who could have seen the Rona coming like it did? That was the nail in the coffin for inefficient businesses, or at least ones run poorly.
Of course it is speeding things up rapidly. But it is also killing small ones that were run quite well. Surly definitely falls into the former.
Correct. The Rona really killed businesses that didn't have the bankroll to get through it.
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Re: Restaurant

Post by Karlsson » Wed Sep 02 10:35 pm

The Rube wrote:
Wed Sep 02 10:24 pm
Karlsson wrote:
Wed Sep 02 10:20 pm
The Rube wrote:
Wed Sep 02 10:16 pm
Karlsson wrote:
Wed Sep 02 10:14 pm
I think Kelly hit the nail on the head. Omar had a great idea a while back, then got too big for his britches. It's too bad, but it appears other places will have to finish getting this state's beer laws completely out of the stone age
She had many a good point, but also, who could have seen the Rona coming like it did? That was the nail in the coffin for inefficient businesses, or at least ones run poorly.
Of course it is speeding things up rapidly. But it is also killing small ones that were run quite well. Surly definitely falls into the former.
Correct. The Rona really killed businesses that didn't have the bankroll to get through it.
I'm sure everyone knows this, but the fallout from this will last a good amount of time. Especially in downtowns, where people just aren't going to work anymore. Even more especially in downtowns in colder climes where you don't get patio revenue year-round. I don't envy being city planner in such cities.

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Post by The Rube » Wed Sep 02 10:38 pm

I fear what this winter will bring for the smaller businesses. Add to that, the downtown areas where businesses are questioning remaining there because reasons (NOTE: abiding by the rules of GPL by not naming reasons in any way, shape, or form).
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Re: Restaurant

Post by Karlsson » Wed Sep 02 10:51 pm

I don't think it breaks the rules to say businesses are concerned about being looted and destroyed. Of course they are. I also don't think it breaks the rules to say that such actions are deplorable and should be punished. I think the rules start being broken when we say that people's reasons for taking such actions are either unfounded or should be encouraged. I condemn the destruction of property going on, but I don't think the reason it is happening is silly.

Of course, I'm not a moderator. So if I'm wrong and have broken the rules, delete this post.

But you're right, Rube. Investing in downtown MPLS does not seem like a wise decision right now. No one, regardless of political preference, can dispute that.
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Re: Restaurant

Post by The Rube » Wed Sep 02 10:53 pm

Karlsson wrote:
Wed Sep 02 10:51 pm
I don't think it breaks the rules to say businesses are concerned about being looted and destroyed. Of course they are. I also don't think it breaks the rules to say that such actions are deplorable and should be punished. I think the rules start being broken when we say that people's reasons for taking such actions are either unfounded or should be encouraged. I condemn the destruction of property going on, but I don't think the reason it is happening is silly.

Of course, I'm not a moderator. So if I'm wrong and have broken the rules, delete this post.
I was staying away from the reasons.
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Re: Restaurant

Post by Karlsson » Wed Sep 02 11:05 pm

The Rube wrote:
Wed Sep 02 10:53 pm
Karlsson wrote:
Wed Sep 02 10:51 pm
I don't think it breaks the rules to say businesses are concerned about being looted and destroyed. Of course they are. I also don't think it breaks the rules to say that such actions are deplorable and should be punished. I think the rules start being broken when we say that people's reasons for taking such actions are either unfounded or should be encouraged. I condemn the destruction of property going on, but I don't think the reason it is happening is silly.

Of course, I'm not a moderator. So if I'm wrong and have broken the rules, delete this post.
I was staying away from the reasons.
I figured. That's why I edited and added on to keep the non-political discussion going. You just responded too quickly. :)

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Re: Restaurant

Post by The Rube » Wed Sep 02 11:07 pm

Karlsson wrote:
Wed Sep 02 11:05 pm
The Rube wrote:
Wed Sep 02 10:53 pm
Karlsson wrote:
Wed Sep 02 10:51 pm
I don't think it breaks the rules to say businesses are concerned about being looted and destroyed. Of course they are. I also don't think it breaks the rules to say that such actions are deplorable and should be punished. I think the rules start being broken when we say that people's reasons for taking such actions are either unfounded or should be encouraged. I condemn the destruction of property going on, but I don't think the reason it is happening is silly.

Of course, I'm not a moderator. So if I'm wrong and have broken the rules, delete this post.
I was staying away from the reasons.
I figured. That's why I edited and added on to keep the non-political discussion going. You just responded too quickly. :)
Wait wait wait. I think we are having an adult discussion! :D
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Re: Restaurant

Post by Karlsson » Wed Sep 02 11:40 pm

The Rube wrote:
Wed Sep 02 11:07 pm
Karlsson wrote:
Wed Sep 02 11:05 pm
The Rube wrote:
Wed Sep 02 10:53 pm
Karlsson wrote:
Wed Sep 02 10:51 pm
I don't think it breaks the rules to say businesses are concerned about being looted and destroyed. Of course they are. I also don't think it breaks the rules to say that such actions are deplorable and should be punished. I think the rules start being broken when we say that people's reasons for taking such actions are either unfounded or should be encouraged. I condemn the destruction of property going on, but I don't think the reason it is happening is silly.

Of course, I'm not a moderator. So if I'm wrong and have broken the rules, delete this post.
I was staying away from the reasons.
I figured. That's why I edited and added on to keep the non-political discussion going. You just responded too quickly. :)
Wait wait wait. I think we are having an adult discussion! :D
I also doubt that is against the rules, they just rarely keep being so. I agree it is better to just nip it in the bud here. A refreshing thing about this space.

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Re: Restaurant

Post by g-manpuck » Thu Sep 03 5:35 am

The Nook had a great post yesterday focusing on the closings of businesses this year. I don't know how to link a Facebook post so I will just copy and paste it below:
RIP to all of our restaurant friends and family out there! We’ve heard (quite awfully, I must say) time and time again, “well, they were on their last leg pre-Covid, so you can’t really blame it on that”. We CANNOT stress enough, that restaurants survive on razor thin margins at ALL times. Sometimes, we have good years and it shows, however, it’s a crap shoot, up, down, all around, every year. Please don’t try to justify closings because a place wasn’t doing well pre-covid. See it for what it is, impossible small business climates, exacerbated by the COVID crisis. Thank you for coming to our Ted Talk & always; please SUPPORT SMALL BUSINESS!!
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Re: Restaurant

Post by Zwak » Thu Sep 03 8:22 am

Obviously no one saw the pandemic coming so I can't faulty any one for that. That said, a friend of mine owns a popular taproom in Mpls and when they opened they decided to not have a kitchen or serve food on premises for several reasons.

1. Serving food requires a separate license and health code along with those required for brewing.
2. At the time the unemployment rate for back of house restaurant staff was REALLY low so they knew it would be really hard to find and keep staff.
3. There was something about since they have a kitchen and wanted to host private events they would have to contract with a caterer for those events. With no kitchen they aren't limited. (FYI...I may have misunderstood this part)
4. They thought having food trucks come in would be a win-win for everyone. The taproom wouldn't have to have a kitchen but they could still have food because of food trucks. Makes for a little variety when you go there.

Anyway, sorry to hear about Surly closing "indefinitely" but I do agree with what @Kelly Red said.
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Re: Restaurant

Post by davescharf » Thu Sep 03 8:36 am

I don't know if it is because of the pandemic but Fulton and Modist both tried creating their own restaurant through a food truck. i'm pretty sure Modist's (Curious Goat) closed before COVID but I'm not sure when Fulton's did (I can't find anything about it on their website so I'm assuming it's closed).

The thing that annoyed me about Modist's was that on 3 different occasions we went there to have a beer and thought we'd grab food as well. All 3 times Curious Goat wasn't open because their hours were limited and not tied to the taproom. There's a lot of restaurants in North Loop but a lot of them aren't really aren't places I'd want to have delivered somewhere.

Many of these brewery owners are barely good enough business owners to stay in business making beer, so adding food just makes it more complicated.
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Re: Restaurant

Post by g-manpuck » Thu Sep 03 8:43 am

Both Mankato Brewery and Locale Brewery here in Mankato have done a decent job to have food trucks onsite throughout the summer. Locale has the advantage of being located near downtown for quicker delivery from several restaurants, though most people choose Pagliai's. I don't think either owners of those breweries would even think about trying to open kitchen to go along with their brewery business. Mankato Brewery is the only one large enough to hold events and it's a poor space for that, but like Zwak pointed out about those others not having a kitchen opens up a lot of possibilities for an event to bring in whichever caterer they want.
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Re: Restaurant

Post by Zwak » Thu Sep 03 9:13 am

I haven't been to a taproom during COVID but pre-covid it was VERY helpful when tap rooms would have a calendar listing what food trucks were going to be there. Some of the busier taprooms have the luxury of being able to book food trucks well ahead of time. Less busy ones don't have the luxury and will post on Facebook/Twitter on the day before or day of as to what food truck they will have.

One thing I found interesting in talking to my friend who owns a taproom is that their research has found the people don't tend to pick a "usual" taproom and frequent it all the time. People tend to bounce around thus allowing there to be more taprooms.
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Re: Restaurant

Post by Kelly Red » Thu Sep 03 11:34 am

G-manpuck is absolutely correct when he posted the Nooks comment, they ALL run on incredibly thin margins. But that’s why I tried to make the point that Covid or not, Surly was a poorly run business way before that hit.
Razor thin margins mean you don’t overbuild. RTM means you don’t try and be a dining establishment that by it’s very nature REQUIRES a packed reservation book to succeed. RTM means not being forced to pay out 2.5 million dollars in a lawsuit that any semi-knowledgeable restauranteur would have known was doomed to go against you. He made multiple HUGE mistakes that Covid forced over the edge. But eventually it was all going to catch up with him. Bleeding money can either be the gushing wound of Covid (82% drop) OR it can be the drip drip drip that has already been occurring since the very first day he opened!
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Re: Restaurant

Post by Greyeagle » Thu Sep 03 12:31 pm

One could argue Izzy’s was overextended, too. They had a thriving store front on Marshall and methinks once they started to expand It became harder to make it work.
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Re: Restaurant

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What amazes me is how many restaurants there are in Maple Grove, and with maybe a couple of exceptions how they are all managing to survive the pandemic...at least so far.
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Post by Slap Shot » Thu Sep 03 1:28 pm

D2D wrote:
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What amazes me is how many restaurants there are in Maple Grove, and with maybe a couple of exceptions how they are all managing to survive the pandemic...at least so far.
Maple Grove building codes forbid kitchens in single family homes so residents have no choice.
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Slap Shot wrote:
Thu Sep 03 1:28 pm
D2D wrote:
Thu Sep 03 1:13 pm
What amazes me is how many restaurants there are in Maple Grove, and with maybe a couple of exceptions how they are all managing to survive the pandemic...at least so far.
Maple Grove building codes forbid kitchens in single family homes so residents have no choice.
It sure seems like it. I used to work just across HWY 169 so Maple Grove was the place we'd go for lunch or drinks since it was just J Cousineau's and Champps. They've had a few go under (Champps, Joe's Crab Shack, Don Pablo's and the revolving door in the Byerly's parking lot (Ground Round, etc). But they keep adding more and they always seem packed, even on weeknights.

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Re: Restaurant

Post by Kelly Red » Thu Sep 03 2:03 pm

But something is actually opening! The Uptown Lobby Bar in the old Suburban World theater. I admit to a big soft spot for this building, my Masters thesis focused on five film theaters in the Minneapolis area, the Suburban was one of them. Fabulous original decor and staging, originally named the Granada, it was an example of an atmospheric theater. You were in a Spanish/Moorish courtyard, the clouds moved across the ceiling during the show and there used to be a moon that went through the phases. Statuettes and topiary added to the outdoor feeling.
It was butchered decades later with a stunningly bad paint job, I wanted to cry when I saw it. Texas Whorehouse is putting it kindly. I’m eager to see the renovations and have my fingers crossed they’ve at least attempted to repair the damage.

I believe the plan is for the theater area to be a live music venue and the front lobby area the food/drink spot. Only the lobby is currently opening.
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Slap Shot wrote:
Thu Sep 03 1:28 pm
D2D wrote:
Thu Sep 03 1:13 pm
What amazes me is how many restaurants there are in Maple Grove, and with maybe a couple of exceptions how they are all managing to survive the pandemic...at least so far.
Maple Grove building codes forbid kitchens in single family homes so residents have no choice.
And yet outside of 3 Squares there is really nowhere in Maple Grove we ever want to go to eat. Granted some of that is because it’s impossible to find a spot to sit on a weekend but there’s just no really compelling options up there
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Post by davescharf » Thu Sep 03 2:21 pm

Greyeagle wrote:
Thu Sep 03 12:31 pm
One could argue Izzy’s was overextended, too. They had a thriving store front on Marshall and methinks once they started to expand It became harder to make it work.
They should have been able to make that work in Minneapolis but I agree they likely overspent going there

As much as I love Izzy’s and was disappointed to see them close we have Honey and Mackeys much closer to us. I can get a quart of their ice cream for only about $1 more than a pint of Izzy’s
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D2D wrote:
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What amazes me is how many restaurants there are in Maple Grove, and with maybe a couple of exceptions how they are all managing to survive the pandemic...at least so far.
Same with where I live (Woodbury). The only closing I know of was an Italian place that, while highly regarded, never seemed too busy even before COVID. A few restaurants are busier than ever. Both the DQ and Canes near my house have had drive thru lines 15+ cars deep at all hours of the day since March.

I think the downtown restaurants will bear the brunt of the closures, as both of their main sources of foot traffic have disappeared (employees on their lunch breaks, and people downtown for entertainment events). Even Post-COVID, I think a large percentage of people won't be coming back downtown anytime soon for safety reasons.

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Post by Slap Shot » Thu Sep 03 3:15 pm

davescharf wrote:
Thu Sep 03 2:19 pm
Slap Shot wrote:
Thu Sep 03 1:28 pm
D2D wrote:
Thu Sep 03 1:13 pm
What amazes me is how many restaurants there are in Maple Grove, and with maybe a couple of exceptions how they are all managing to survive the pandemic...at least so far.
Maple Grove building codes forbid kitchens in single family homes so residents have no choice.
And yet outside of 3 Squares there is really nowhere in Maple Grove we ever want to go to eat. Granted some of that is because it’s impossible to find a spot to sit on a weekend but there’s just no really compelling options up there
Good to hear that 3 Squares is still slinging good food! Mt. Fuji was great but I believe they are no more? I thought the Irish place (Claddagh?) was ok, and Pitt Blue for lunch was also not a bad option, but not worth the price for dinner.
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Post by Don Adams Wheel of Justice » Thu Sep 03 3:36 pm

davescharf wrote:
Thu Sep 03 2:19 pm
Slap Shot wrote:
Thu Sep 03 1:28 pm
D2D wrote:
Thu Sep 03 1:13 pm
What amazes me is how many restaurants there are in Maple Grove, and with maybe a couple of exceptions how they are all managing to survive the pandemic...at least so far.
Maple Grove building codes forbid kitchens in single family homes so residents have no choice.
And yet outside of 3 Squares there is really nowhere in Maple Grove we ever want to go to eat. Granted some of that is because it’s impossible to find a spot to sit on a weekend but there’s just no really compelling options up there
You don't find Golden Corral compelling?

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Re: Restaurant

Post by Bertogliat » Thu Sep 03 3:43 pm

Slap Shot wrote:
Thu Sep 03 3:15 pm
davescharf wrote:
Thu Sep 03 2:19 pm
Slap Shot wrote:
Thu Sep 03 1:28 pm
D2D wrote:
Thu Sep 03 1:13 pm
What amazes me is how many restaurants there are in Maple Grove, and with maybe a couple of exceptions how they are all managing to survive the pandemic...at least so far.
Maple Grove building codes forbid kitchens in single family homes so residents have no choice.
And yet outside of 3 Squares there is really nowhere in Maple Grove we ever want to go to eat. Granted some of that is because it’s impossible to find a spot to sit on a weekend but there’s just no really compelling options up there
Good to hear that 3 Squares is still slinging good food! Mt. Fuji was great but I believe they are no more? I thought the Irish place (Claddagh?) was ok, and Pitt Blue for lunch was also not a bad option, but not worth the price for dinner.
The Claddaugh is on the list of bars who are behind on liquor tax so they might not be long for this world. They had some very good food. I miss that place. 3 squares is also good.

Biaggi’s is great food. Red Stone is also very good. Punch, Potillos, sawatdee. Bucca di Beppo. All good.

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Post by gopherguy06 » Thu Sep 03 9:36 pm

We enjoyed Pizza Karma and Zupas for a quick bite up there

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Re: Restaurant

Post by The Rube » Thu Sep 03 9:43 pm

As for food trucks, Back Channel always has food trucks lined up (and the Minnetonka Drive-Thru, a converted A&W drive-in spot across the street). Good variety, being on a bay of Lake Minnetonka helps a ton during summer.

For LTD Brewing, there are a ton of restaurants, many styles, in downtown Hopkins, so no need to bring in a food truck. Just walk to where you want to go (max is about 4 blocks) or if you're lazy, just Door Dash/etc delivery to the brewery itself.
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Re: Restaurant

Post by MNGophers29 » Fri Sep 04 11:00 am

From what I have seen through this all, even in NoDak, is the places to eat that can do a good drive thru or carry out process in addition to dining seem to be handling all of this better.
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