2019-2020 Gopher Hockey Season Thread

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Post by Bonin21 » Sun Feb 09 11:39 am

He won't be.

Next year is supposed to be "the year", but it's possible Lucius and Knies keep up that level for the year after when Ranta and probably Walker go.

No matter what year it is, the Gophers need offensive output from a D man that they haven't had since Reilly left. 25 points at least, probably 30. This is my main reason the Gophers have been down for like five years. In the only year they made the tournament since Reilly left, they had Bischoff put up 30+.

I think Lacombe SHOULD put up 25+ next season.
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Re: 2019-2020 Gopher Hockey Season Thread

Post by Greyeagle » Sun Feb 09 1:24 pm

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Its going to be a crazy finish. 6 teams within 6 points. The Gophers have virtually identical chances of finishing first through sixth.

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Post by Greyeagle » Sun Feb 09 6:40 pm

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I'll say it again: Gophers will have 4 solid D coming into next year. Haven't had that in a long, long time.
I am really encouraged at the play of the blue line play the since Thanksgiving, especially in the defensive zone. Smart passes, carrying the puck when it makes sense, and just overall all better play. Do they still get caught running around? Sure. But instances seem to be fewer per game and further apart.

Very encouraging.
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Post by Bonin21 » Sun Feb 09 6:54 pm

Yesterday's loss is still stinging... Because it feels like it's basically conference tourney or out again like last year. Hot at the right time but too late.

5-1 to win the conference, gonna have to steal one at PSU.
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Post by glenhogan21 » Sun Feb 09 7:05 pm

What is the tie breaker in conference? Head-to-head?? If we tie with Michigan State who gets the first round bye?

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Post by Greyeagle » Sun Feb 09 7:09 pm

glenhogan21 wrote:
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What is the tie breaker in conference? Head-to-head?? If we tie with Michigan State who gets the first round bye?
Coin flip
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Post by Bonin21 » Sun Feb 09 7:14 pm

PSU will be the champion if we aren't.

Unless Caufield takes points from them on his own basically.
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Post by gopherfun83 » Mon Feb 10 6:14 pm

Bonin21 wrote:
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PSU will be the champion if we aren't.

Unless Caufield takes points from them on his own basically.
The BADgers always seem to give PSU fits. The Gophers need to find a way to win at Pegula. If they don't it will most likely be Penn State.

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Nice writeup on Tom Serratore.
https://gophersports.com/news/2020/2/10 ... -more.aspx
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Post by upnorthkid » Sun Feb 16 7:34 am

Split with PSU now should be enough if we sweep Michigan (it’s seeming, we’ll see once all the projections come out). Steal friday then everything else is bonus on top

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Post by Bonin21 » Sun Feb 16 8:07 am

It's also possible that isn't enough. It would leave us at 45 points, and right now MSU has a max potential of 46 points. We also lose the tie breaker to most teams.

3-1 over the next four should be enough though 95% of the time.
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Post by gopheritall » Sun Feb 16 8:59 am

Big weekend coming up for the Gophers. I love that they have put themselves into this position. The players deserve a ton to credit for this.

I don't care how we get in the NCAA tournament, just get it done. The way they are playing, I will take our chances and it is just gravy anyway. I didn't expect NCAA post season this year.

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Post by glenhogan21 » Sun Feb 16 10:09 am

Sweeping Michigan will be harder that splitting with PSU. They are rolling right now. Probably the toughest 2 Conference series of the year to end. Awesome to be playing meaningful games. If we can fight our way into NCAA we will be battle tested.

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Re: 2019-2020 Gopher Hockey Season Thread

Post by streakygopher » Sun Feb 16 10:27 am

glenhogan21 wrote:
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Sweeping Michigan will be harder that splitting with PSU. They are rolling right now. Probably the toughest 2 Conference series of the year to end. Awesome to be playing meaningful games. If we can fight our way into NCAA we will be battle tested.
I've made similar comments. As much as I like to see them playing well, the thought of going 3-1 over the next couple weekends is a little off my reality meter. Could it happen? Sure. Will it? Slim chance.

Like their sister club, the Wild, they dug a massive hole in the first half of the year. Getting past that will be very difficult, and that home loss to State a couple weeks ago is the kind of game that happens even to the best teams.

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Post by The Rube » Sun Feb 16 11:11 am

If we can avoid the massive fart jobs like in the 2nd period last night, I like our chances.
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Post by Handyman » Sun Feb 16 12:03 pm

3-1 is not some insurmountable task. Michigan may be playing well but guess what so are we. It's ok to admit it you don't have magical powers you won't jinx the squad I promise. :lol:

I doubt Michigan hasn't had periods off and PSU had issues with a mediocre Wisconsin team...they aren't exactly setting the world on fire.

I am not saying we will win the league but our chances are as good as anyone right now.
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Post by Bonin21 » Sun Feb 16 12:08 pm

Michigan series will be huge so they should go half off all tickets. There are tons to sell because 30-60 (30, 40, 55, 60) is too high.
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Post by D2D » Sun Feb 16 12:14 pm

Bonin21 wrote:
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Michigan series will be huge so they should go half off all tickets. There are tons to sell because 30-60 (30, 40, 55, 60) is too high.
I think if they do well in Happy Valley they should draw a nice crowd for the Michigan series. The more casual fans are beginning to take notice.
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Post by ex_goldy » Sun Feb 16 12:35 pm

Agree with cutting prices to sell out a big series. Show they want fans and will do what it takes. If they don’t there would be a little more interest but don’t think it would be more than 10% increase. Prices are that high because of corporate sales, they need to direct market, attract the dads and squirts back from youth hockey and disgusted Wild fans which will take more time.

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Post by frozen4champs » Sun Feb 16 12:42 pm

This year is exhibit A on never giving up on a young team. This team was bad at the start of the year, and that brought out the negative nellys with all sorts of silly statements and people bailing on this team faster than the Titanic. The road is still going to be difficult to make the NCAA tourney, but the growth of this team is remarkable. No matter what happens this next month, the future looks bright and the bandwagon is starting to fill up again. Let's hope the stands start to fill up as well. #WinForWooger

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Post by Bonin21 » Sun Feb 16 12:45 pm

ex_goldy wrote:
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Agree with cutting prices to sell out a big series. Show they want fans and will do what it takes. If they don’t there would be a little more interest but don’t think it would be more than 10% increase. Prices are that high because of corporate sales, they need to direct market, attract the dads and squirts back from youth hockey and disgusted Wild fans which will take more time.
Prices are that high because they don't want to undercut STH. Well, I'm a STH and it's the last series of the year so fill the place! Especially that $55 Zone, which is ridiculously high and empty because so many STH bailed on that to jump to the highest donation level or to go down to the high value $500 zone.
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If we can avoid the massive fart jobs like in the 2nd period last night, I like our chances.
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Post by The Rube » Sun Feb 16 2:31 pm

Bigbeer wrote:
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The Rube wrote:
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If we can avoid the massive fart jobs like in the 2nd period last night, I like our chances.
Fart job?
I'm rolling with it. :D
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Post by Magic » Sun Feb 16 6:03 pm

Its going to be very hard for the University to drop ticket prices if their 150 million in debt for TCF Bank Stadium and the Athletic Village. Personally I would make season ticket prices $500 for the whole arena and drop the Seat Donation BS. Lastly I would take Ticket Kings 150+ seats away between the Blue Lines because it looks bad when they cant resell them.

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Post by Slap Shot » Sun Feb 16 7:44 pm

The drop in price for one series could be made up.for by drawing 8k+ instead of 5k plus parking and concessions. Never mind if they do lose some it's but a tiny fraction of any supposed debt amount of that size. Deciding against a drop for that reason would be extremenly short-sighted.
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Post by Handyman » Sun Feb 16 7:47 pm

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Its going to be very hard for the University to drop ticket prices if their 150 million in debt for TCF Bank Stadium and the Athletic Village. Personally I would make season ticket prices $500 for the whole arena and drop the Seat Donation BS. Lastly I would take Ticket Kings 150+ seats away between the Blue Lines because it looks bad when they cant resell them.
Ummm...they aren't $150 million in debt what are you talking about? They have raised at least 2/3 of it and that was before the football team had a ridiculous year.
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Post by Jupiter » Sun Feb 16 9:34 pm

Handyman wrote:
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Its going to be very hard for the University to drop ticket prices if their 150 million in debt for TCF Bank Stadium and the Athletic Village. Personally I would make season ticket prices $500 for the whole arena and drop the Seat Donation BS. Lastly I would take Ticket Kings 150+ seats away between the Blue Lines because it looks bad when they cant resell them.
Ummm...they aren't $150 million in debt what are you talking about? They have raised at least 2/3 of it and that was before the football team had a ridiculous year.
Actually... I think that may be an accurate number for
What @Vegoe has found.

TCF is not cheap. Neither is the Athletes Village

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Post by Handyman » Sun Feb 16 11:09 pm

I missed he said TCF so yeah that could be possible though I kind of doubt it. (and I don't trust the numbers the U puts out anyways ;))

I take back my comment.
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Post by Vegoe » Mon Feb 17 1:00 am

Jupiter wrote:
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Handyman wrote:
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Magic wrote:
Sun Feb 16 6:03 pm
Its going to be very hard for the University to drop ticket prices if their 150 million in debt for TCF Bank Stadium and the Athletic Village. Personally I would make season ticket prices $500 for the whole arena and drop the Seat Donation BS. Lastly I would take Ticket Kings 150+ seats away between the Blue Lines because it looks bad when they cant resell them.
Ummm...they aren't $150 million in debt what are you talking about? They have raised at least 2/3 of it and that was before the football team had a ridiculous year.
Actually... I think that may be an accurate number for
What @Vegoe has found.

TCF is not cheap. Neither is the Athletes Village
You are pretty close, it's $154 M in debt after the FY 2019 numbers were audited.


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Post by Handyman » Mon Feb 17 10:03 am

Ah so the numbers are for all projects...yeah THAT I totally buy. And is immaterial to the price of tickets anyways since a 1 series reduction for the hockey team wouldnt change anything when it comes to paying down the debt on the facilities.

I wonder how they make the payments for TCF because those loans arent super high but they havent made a ton of progress on them. I heard rumors donations are up after the excellent season hopefully that puts a dent in some of this stuff.
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Post by frozen4champs » Mon Feb 17 11:34 am

The Gophers have entered the USCHO poll at 18. Good to see, but really only means they are improving. Need to keep moving on up.

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Human polls near the end of the year very conveniently start to mirror the PWR.
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Post by MNGophers29 » Mon Feb 17 2:21 pm

Devil's Advocate here, but if they drop the tickets half price and they still get the same amount of people, then they just lost half the money.
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But they wouldn't get the same amount of people because that's not how supply and demand works.
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Post by MNGophers29 » Mon Feb 17 2:48 pm

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But they wouldn't get the same amount of people because that's not how supply and demand works.
Your comment shows that you truly don't know how supply and demand works. To drop the ticket price by half, they would need to double the amount of purchasers to break even. Or they could leave it the same price and have the same amount of people come and not lose a guaranteed payout. There is ZERO guarantee that the demand will meet the supply if you drop prices by half.
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Post by Bonin21 » Mon Feb 17 3:01 pm

Well duh if you don't double sales the ticket rev will drop for the incremental sales from now until game time. But if you get close, the incremental concession and merch sales will make up for it. Plus, building a buzz around the program helps into the future... An empty arena for a huge series doesn't help much...

Of course they won't go half off. But they have to do something. Especially in empty sections going for 55 bucks a pop.
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Post by Jupiter » Mon Feb 17 3:29 pm

They are still selling 8200 tickets a game folks.... That is still a huge number. So changing the price will not have a huge impact.

Most of those empty seats you are seeing are the 3k in no shows each game.

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Post by Slap Shot » Mon Feb 17 3:38 pm

MNGophers29 wrote:
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But they wouldn't get the same amount of people because that's not how supply and demand works.
Your comment shows that you truly don't know how supply and demand works. To drop the ticket price by half, they would need to double the amount of purchasers to break even. Or they could leave it the same price and have the same amount of people come and not lose a guaranteed payout. There is ZERO guarantee that the demand will meet the supply if you drop prices by half.
Doubt they would drop them by half and even if they did they can't drop them for any tickets already sold. :)
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Re: 2019-2020 Gopher Hockey Season Thread

Post by Bonin21 » Mon Feb 17 3:43 pm

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They are still selling 8200 tickets a game folks.... That is still a huge number. So changing the price will not have a huge impact.

Most of those empty seats you are seeing are the 3k in no shows each game.
Sorry, but this isn't true as the most empty sections at games are not those that are already sold. In the top donation sections yes most are sold and lots of no shows.

But look how many seats are available in 4, 5, 10, 11, 15, 16, 21, and 22. A few of these sections look awful at game time.
https://gophersports.evenue.net/cgi-bin ... evenue.net

Of course at games where there are promotions (or the UND series where Whioux fans bought them) and single game sales fill up those sections, those people will show up. But for Michigan it's not looking great at the moment. I'll say about 7,000 sold each night at the moment with time to make that up.
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Re: 2019-2020 Gopher Hockey Season Thread

Post by g-manpuck » Mon Feb 17 3:57 pm

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They are still selling 8200 tickets a game folks.... That is still a huge number. So changing the price will not have a huge impact.

Most of those empty seats you are seeing are the 3k in no shows each game.
Sorry, but this isn't true as the most empty sections at games are not those that are already sold. In the top donation sections yes most are sold and lots of no shows.

But look how many seats are available in 4, 5, 10, 11, 15, 16, 21, and 22. A few of these sections look awful at game time.
https://gophersports.evenue.net/cgi-bin ... evenue.net

Of course at games where there are promotions (or the UND series where Whioux fans bought them) and single game sales fill up those sections, those people will show up. But for Michigan it's not looking great at the moment. I'll say about 7,000 sold each night at the moment with time to make that up.
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Re: 2019-2020 Gopher Hockey Season Thread

Post by Bonin21 » Mon Feb 17 3:58 pm

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Do your homework.....Vegoe did.

https://www.gopherpucklive.com/gopher-s ... n-2018-19/
Other than the last paragraph those stats are from last season. I pasted a link that shows on a map exactly where seats are not sold for the Michigan series. It is the best visual representation I can think of.

If you are asking, do STH no-show at a higher rate than single game ticket purchasers? Well, duh. A single game ticket purchase is an explicit expression of interest in that game.

Two problems: STH that don't show up, and also about 2,500-3,000 unsold tickets for Michigan right now.

The point I'm trying to make as a STH is I want those remaining single game tickets to sell because they will actually show up, which makes the game much more fun for fans and players.
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Re: 2019-2020 Gopher Hockey Season Thread

Post by Bonin21 » Mon Feb 17 4:13 pm

I also understand that 3,000 > 2,500. So if 3,000 STH don't show up, and 2,500 tickets go unsold, then yes the no shows are the bigger problem. Using 2,500 as a high level estimate.

But for now, they should do whatever they can to sell those remaining tickets for the UM series, and hopefully at the same time some of those 3,000 are seeing this team can play good hockey and show up for a huge series.

Based on the useful graphs in that article, I think a realistic goal for these two games can be 9K sold and 6.5K scanned. I'd love 7K scanned but it might be too optimistic. Never know.
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Re: 2019-2020 Gopher Hockey Season Thread

Post by gopheritall » Mon Feb 17 4:36 pm

As a STH the want people in those unsold seats. Lower the prices, run a promo, whatever. I don't care if they give them away if people show up.

This is the last game of the regular season. Let's get people there.

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Re: 2019-2020 Gopher Hockey Season Thread

Post by JWG » Mon Feb 17 5:02 pm

I can count on one finger how many times the seats next to us in section 15 have been sold (not just a no show) this season. I look often and sometimes buy a seat so all 3 of us can go (we have 2 season ticket seats).
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Re: 2019-2020 Gopher Hockey Season Thread

Post by gopherfun83 » Mon Feb 17 6:59 pm

They could show more games on local tv like MN State, UMD, and St. Cloud do. Then advertise ticket deals on tv. Not as many people have cable as in the past. The more local interest there is, the more people will go to the games. It also can't hurt for recruiting. The kids that see the games on local tv now are seeing the other 3 teams more than the Gophers.

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Post by Bonin21 » Mon Feb 17 7:00 pm

This might sound a bit dickish, but most of the kids playing hockey come from relatively well to do families (crazy expensive sport) that probably have some kind of cable/streaming package.
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This might sound a bit dickish, but most of the kids playing hockey come from relatively well to do families (crazy expensive sport) that probably have some kind of cable/streaming package.
I was thinking exactly the same. If you have BTN, FSN, FSN+ and NBCSN - all widely available to cable subscribers and/or on apps which almost all "well-to-do" families will have - you will miss only a small number of games.
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Post by gopherfun83 » Mon Feb 17 7:29 pm

St. Cloud and North Dakota are on 9+ local antenna tv both Friday and Saturday night. At least they could put a few games on, not all kids have the chance to see them play. It would be nice to show more Gophers hockey games on local tv.

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Re: 2019-2020 Gopher Hockey Season Thread

Post by Gopherguy05 » Mon Feb 17 8:50 pm

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St. Cloud and North Dakota are on 9+ local antenna tv both Friday and Saturday night. At least they could put a few games on, not all kids have the chance to see them play. It would be nice to show more Gophers hockey games on local tv.
I guarantee you less "kids" miss Gopher games on cable then know channel 9-2 actually exists....

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Post by younggopherdiehard » Mon Feb 17 9:19 pm

Gophs up to t15 in pairwise.

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Re: 2019-2020 Gopher Hockey Season Thread

Post by MNGophers29 » Mon Feb 17 10:03 pm

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St. Cloud and North Dakota are on 9+ local antenna tv both Friday and Saturday night. At least they could put a few games on, not all kids have the chance to see them play. It would be nice to show more Gophers hockey games on local tv.
I can't speak for JBSU, but UND does not air their games on antenna TV. They are on CBS Sports when they are even on TV. Only 7 games televised this year and 2 of them were against the Gophs. Yeah, not many kids are getting to see UND on TV. That being said, lots of kids go to the games as evident by their packed house every game.
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Re: 2019-2020 Gopher Hockey Season Thread

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St. Cloud and North Dakota are on 9+ local antenna tv both Friday and Saturday night. At least they could put a few games on, not all kids have the chance to see them play. It would be nice to show more Gophers hockey games on local tv.
I can't speak for JBSU, but UND does not air their games on antenna TV. They are on CBS Sports when they are even on TV. Only 7 games televised this year and 2 of them were against the Gophs. Yeah, not many kids are getting to see UND on TV. That being said, lots of kids go to the games as evident by their packed house every game.
What else is there to do up there? Not even being snarky. MSP/StP has a multitude of entertainment options.
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Re: 2019-2020 Gopher Hockey Season Thread

Post by MNGophers29 » Mon Feb 17 10:19 pm

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St. Cloud and North Dakota are on 9+ local antenna tv both Friday and Saturday night. At least they could put a few games on, not all kids have the chance to see them play. It would be nice to show more Gophers hockey games on local tv.
I can't speak for JBSU, but UND does not air their games on antenna TV. They are on CBS Sports when they are even on TV. Only 7 games televised this year and 2 of them were against the Gophs. Yeah, not many kids are getting to see UND on TV. That being said, lots of kids go to the games as evident by their packed house every game.
What else is there to do up there? Not even being snarky. MSP/StP has a multitude of entertainment options.
Well, there are things, but not a bunch of stuff. There are HS hockey games, youth games, Fargo Force for hockey. Other sports at UND/NDSU to watch. There is some theater in both towns, not like MSP or anything, but there is stuff to do. Took my daughter to a Broadway musical a couple weeks ago.

Ultimately, it comes down to drinking. That's what most everyone seems to do on the weekends so why not start at 7pm at the UND game where you can see people you know, your kids can hang with you for a few hours before you go home and put them to bed and sneak over to a neighbors heated garage!
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Re: 2019-2020 Gopher Hockey Season Thread

Post by Bonin21 » Mon Feb 17 10:22 pm

UND will always have that recruiting sales tactic. Nicest arena in college hockey, most important thing in the city, lots of jersey chasers that are great looking making up for what they don't have in smarts (going to UND). That will always appeal. Just like ASU will be appealing if they get a new arena cuz of the weather and the chicks.
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Re: 2019-2020 Gopher Hockey Season Thread

Post by Handyman » Mon Feb 17 10:39 pm

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But they wouldn't get the same amount of people because that's not how supply and demand works.
You might want to brush up on microecon that isn't how it works. ;)

If lowering the price automatically equalled more tickets you would see all schools drop them. People have to want to go or free tickets won't get them there.
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Post by Handyman » Mon Feb 17 10:41 pm

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They are still selling 8200 tickets a game folks.... That is still a huge number. So changing the price will not have a huge impact.

Most of those empty seats you are seeing are the 3k in no shows each game.
How dare you use facts ;)
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Post by Bonin21 » Mon Feb 17 10:43 pm

Of course lowering ticket prices equals more tickets sold... But it doesn't maximize profits which is why as you said, all schools don't just drop them.

But sometimes you have to sacrifice profit for the benefit of your brand in the long run.

There are people out there that would like to go, but not at $55 a pop.

Here you go lol. Supply is fixed. In a perfect world you would sell every single seat at an individual price to each buyer (in descending order of willingness to pay) until you hit 10,000. That could result in some very cheap tickets if there aren't enough prospective buyers out there. But obviously you can't do that.
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Post by Handyman » Mon Feb 17 10:53 pm

No it doesn't equal more sales. Gopher Football at the Dome used to give tickets away and not get close to selling out. Hell TC got fired in part because his team won 9 games and no one showed at friggin TCF. It takes more than just low prices.

I am not even getting into maximizing profits people have to want to go. Flecks squad got people to pay more for a single game than I used to for season tickets. Price is only part of the equation you got to get people to desire to go.

The issue is more complex than you make it out to be. The U needs to be pumping out the ads talking about how the team is in convention. Marketing >>>> price.

(I think a special is a good idea don't get me wrong)
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Let's say there are 3K tickets left to sell. As opposed to football in some horrible years, I think (I pray...) there are 3,000 people in the metro that would like to attend a Gopher hockey game. And they would do it if you gave away the ticket. But would they all do it at $5? $10? And so on. That's what we don't know right now. But we do know they won't do it at 30/40/55/60.
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Post by The Rube » Mon Feb 17 11:01 pm

So you discount prices. Hardcore. That leads to a lack of renewal for STH. Why pay this, when I can wait, and pay way cheaper as the game date closes in?!

That's an issue.
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Post by Bonin21 » Mon Feb 17 11:04 pm

You can't do it every series. But this could be the biggest Big Ten series in how long? We've had multiple STH on here say fill the place for this one.

I also think we will see more movement on the ST price this summer. I think if they go with the exact same structure as last summer, despite a promising team, a net decrease in STH base is highly possible.

Get creative. Buy two (at full price), get one for a buck. Buy three, get two for a buck. Obviously there are psychological impacts to giving your product away for "a buck", but I'm just saying let's try something lol.
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Post by Cowgirl » Mon Feb 17 11:26 pm

Do another free drink voucher. Seemed to work last home series.
Although I think the team winning likely has the most to do with the uptick in attendance.
A packed house against the ugly helmets would be nice to see. Would be even nicer to see Mariucci full for the playoffs; all three weekends... :dup: :M: :M2:

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A packed house against the ugly helmets would be nice to see. Would be even nicer to see Mariucci full for the playoffs; all three weekends... :dup: :M: :M2:
Most of us are hoping there will only be four more games at Mariucci this season. Only two playoff games spread over two weekends.
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So you discount prices. Hardcore. That leads to a lack of renewal for STH. Why pay this, when I can wait, and pay way cheaper as the game date closes in?!

That's an issue.
Most STH don't seem to mind cause atmosphere trumps all. Football STH for sure seem to have no problem with them.

Pick and choose the games but get people in the door.
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A packed house against the ugly helmets would be nice to see. Would be even nicer to see Mariucci full for the playoffs; all three weekends... :dup: :M: :M2:
Most of us are hoping there will only be four more games at Mariucci this season. Only two playoff games spread over two weekends.
Well of course I hope that too. My point was more that I’d like to see the team, and an arena full of fans, at Mariucci for the remainder of big ten play!

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Handyman wrote:
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Most STH don't seem to mind cause atmosphere trumps all.
I beg to disagree. Winning trumps all!
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Tied for 15th? What a turnaround!!
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Re: 2019-2020 Gopher Hockey Season Thread

Post by frozen4champs » Tue Feb 18 12:25 pm

For the most part, as a STH, I don't mind that the U is trying to get bodies in the building. I would like to be thrown a bone now and again ( aside from the coaches talk etc). A coupon for a discounted beverage, food or something. BUT, those "gifts" should be given late in the year to tickets holders who use their tickets a certain %, say 75-80%. The people who don't use their tickets should not get any additional benefits. I know the students have something like that, a points based rewards system to encourage them to attend for a free gift. I am also not naive that the deep pocketed STH's that buy the center ice tickets really don't care if they get a coupon for a free beer, but hey maybe it would help keep the others happy.

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Post by Cardinal » Tue Feb 18 12:34 pm

Per Bob on his radio show, Nanne 'should be fine' for this week.

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Per Bob on his radio show, Nanne 'should be fine' for this week.
That is great news.

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Re: 2019-2020 Gopher Hockey Season Thread

Post by Vegoe » Tue Feb 18 12:57 pm

Bonin21 wrote:
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Do your homework.....Vegoe did.

https://www.gopherpucklive.com/gopher-s ... n-2018-19/
Other than the last paragraph those stats are from last season. I pasted a link that shows on a map exactly where seats are not sold for the Michigan series. It is the best visual representation I can think of.

If you are asking, do STH no-show at a higher rate than single game ticket purchasers? Well, duh. A single game ticket purchase is an explicit expression of interest in that game.

Two problems: STH that don't show up, and also about 2,500-3,000 unsold tickets for Michigan right now.

The point I'm trying to make as a STH is I want those remaining single game tickets to sell because they will actually show up, which makes the game much more fun for fans and players.
Just wanted to chime in on this topic quick... The majority of Gopher Sports single game ticket buyers are traditionally last minute people. They wait until close to game time to decide whether to buy tickets and attend the games. It's one of the most significant challenges for the athletic department that they've discovered with their research. There are so many things to do in the area, these customers tend to hold off until they know for sure they can attend. This could be because they don't know their kids schedules until closer to the day, they are waiting to see what the weather will be like before committing to the commute or perhaps it's because they want to see if the Gophers are playing for something significant that day.

You see the number of no shows at the games, we'll for some ticket holders it's because a conflict comes up and they can't move their tickets in time for someone to use them. Same issue comes up for those thinking about buying. They don't want to purchase ahead of time because they think they can't move them if something comes up and there is always going to be inventory for the game because it's not going to sell out.

It's a tricky formula for them to master as you want to have as big of a season ticket base as possilbe so you have less inventory to move each game. However, you also want to have single game tickets to grow the bandwagon of fans and you want to maximize revenue -- which is not a linear supply and demand curve.

Should be a great series though.... lots on the line... and beers for sale in the concourse. I'll even be a fan for the game on the 29th.

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Re: 2019-2020 Gopher Hockey Season Thread

Post by NYC Gopher fan » Tue Feb 18 1:33 pm

As a long time STH, I want the place packed. However it would be nice to be thrown a few free beverage tickets now and then.

My favorite part about the MSU series was seeing the LONG line of parents and kids waiting for their “first game certificate”

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Re: 2019-2020 Gopher Hockey Season Thread

Post by Bonin21 » Tue Feb 18 1:55 pm

NYC Gopher fan wrote:
Tue Feb 18 1:33 pm
As a long time STH, I want the place packed. However it would be nice to be thrown a few free beverage tickets now and then.
You hit on something here. An email to STH with a free bev coupon is a great way to keep the relationship going and make them feel appreciated when beverages are being given out to single game purchasers. Most importantly it could help get them into the arena!

"It's back! Get a free beverage when you buy a ticket" - Marketing to single game buyers
"Let's fill the stands! As a loyal Gopher fan we want to see you and the drinks are on us" - Email to STH

Since slashing the prices much is doubtful.
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Re: 2019-2020 Gopher Hockey Season Thread

Post by JoeGopher » Wed Feb 19 10:36 am

As a long time STH, and one of those "Center Ice" people, I have been to about 60% of the games this year, but my tickets have been used all but one game. While I wouldn't mind a free drink coupon or something here or there, it wouldn't help keep me as a STH, nor would it entice me to go to more games.. The more interesting deal is when they have done the promotions where you buy a ticket and get a free hat or stocking cap or whatever it is - that's more likely to chap my ass than someone paying less for a ticket.

In the end, I want a full building just like everyone else, but there needs to be some STH equity for some of the promotions.

FWIW, I don't think it's a fair characterization to say all Center Ice people are deep-pocketed. It's likely there are many that choose to focus their entertainment dollars on Gopher Hockey rather than spreading it around. I know I did when I was much younger when money was a little tighter.

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