2019-2020 Gopher Hockey Season Thread

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Post by trixR4kids » Fri Nov 29 12:09 pm

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I'm not sure I've ever seen a Gopher team outclassed like they were against PSU and again yesterday against NoDak.

People who are smarter hockey people than I am - what gives?
You still have a lot of Lucia’s guys who suck and are just black holes, the new ones either need time or aren’t ever going to pan out, hard to say. For the new guys, LaCombe for instance should be good but when he just mishandles the puck and gifts the other team a 3 on 1 good luck. Zuhlsdorf and Nanne are still bad and just need to go. There’s some hope with the freshmen but in the short term there will be growing pains, just not a recipe for success especially in the short term.

At forward you lost the high end talent like Pitlick and all of the PP and as good as someone like Walker is (he hasn’t been as good this year imo with all the damn penalties) at 5v5 he also isn’t Haula. Much like the D they need to get rid of the old regime’s guys to make room for the new ones but so far Bob’s guys haven’t shown that they’re elite top 6 forwards. Ranta and Meyers maybe could be eventually but right now they aren’t. Outside of that it seems like a lot of depth guys.

The other issue is that all these good teams can skate circles around us and that’s going to need to change. Guys like Johnson and Lacombe should be part of the solution but a lot of them probably aren’t.
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Re: 2019-2020 Gopher Hockey Season Thread

Post by streakygopher » Fri Nov 29 1:05 pm

I know Walker is a popular player, but he's not in the same class as other great gopher forwards. He's fast for sure, which makes him hard to play against, but deep teams like PSU and North Dakota have no problem shutting him down.

The biggest weakness on this team is defense. The older players aren't very talented and the new guys - Johnson and LaCombe - are really taking their lumps out there against speedy physical teams like PSU and UND. They are getting undressed. Brinkman also had a horrid game last night. This entire team has no concept of how to play solid defensive hockey. I know this because in two games against PSU and one game against UND - all at home mind you - they have surrendered 23 goals. That's 7.7 goals per game. :oops:

As for Motzko, hell yes he should feel some heat. I will stipulate that a young team will feel some growing pains, but the garbage on the ice this year is beyond the pale - and some of that is coaching. Bob had to come to Minnesota to miss out on consecutive tournament appearances. :)

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Re: 2019-2020 Gopher Hockey Season Thread

Post by Norm » Fri Nov 29 1:52 pm

I'm guessing the last thing Bob thinks about when he goes to bed every night is "Why did I come here?"

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Post by Bonin21 » Fri Nov 29 1:53 pm

And he probably sleeps well on a very expensive pillow and bed. And that's why.
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Post by Bonin21 » Fri Nov 29 2:01 pm

Assuming this year continues to go to $h!t:

The last 15 seasons of Gopher Hockey:
Missed the tournament 7 TIMES
First round loss 5 TIMES
TWO tournament wins not in Saint Paul

And we're talking about giving Bob at least two more seasons where he misses the tournament. That would make 9 times missed out of 17.

Gopher Hockey may not be dead, but it's on life support and in 2013 it got transfered to a different hospital that cares more about just about every other sport than it.
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Post by Bonin21 » Fri Nov 29 2:06 pm

And saying all that, it's also possible Bob absolutely lays into these guys, making sure they know he has lots of guys lined up that he can bring in next year who might earn some playing time, and they start playing up to their potential which is a 15th-20th best team in the country.

Let's see if they show some pride in the M tonight.
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Re: 2019-2020 Gopher Hockey Season Thread

Post by trixR4kids » Fri Nov 29 2:12 pm

Yeah Walker would be a fine depth player on those teams but prob not a top 6 guy and def not on the PP. He could probably use some help though it doesn’t seem like many on this squad can play fast alongside him.
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Re: 2019-2020 Gopher Hockey Season Thread

Post by sec 16 row16 seat 16 17 » Fri Nov 29 2:13 pm

you can complain all you want pride on ice has been replaced by row the boat

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Re: 2019-2020 Gopher Hockey Season Thread

Post by Bonin21 » Fri Nov 29 3:06 pm

Always fun at Thanksgiving when former season ticket holders are talking about Gopher hockey and all say the Big Ten ruined everything, and then you get a text the next day saying the same thing.

But no, it was mostly the scholarship seating guys.

Super conference is needed badly.
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Re: 2019-2020 Gopher Hockey Season Thread

Post by Gopher99 » Fri Nov 29 3:18 pm

Hate to burst the bubble but waiting for a super conference is not something I would be patiently waiting for (unless you were being facetious, which you may have). Unless I'm not reading the right updates, I sincerely doubt a major conference realignment is in the near future.

It is what it is. This conference is the 'new' reality. The WCHA isn't coming back and I don't see the Big Ten dissolving.

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Post by Bonin21 » Fri Nov 29 3:23 pm

It's not about the Big Ten dissolving. They can still have their brand on it. All of their programs would benefit financially from a cross conference setup.

Anyone running a business needs to be creative. People seem scared to try out of the box ideas...
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Re: 2019-2020 Gopher Hockey Season Thread

Post by Gopher99 » Fri Nov 29 3:27 pm

Hey I'm all for it, just didn't/don't know how realistic that is.

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Re: 2019-2020 Gopher Hockey Season Thread

Post by Slap Shot » Fri Nov 29 3:55 pm

SUPER!!!!

Sure, ok.
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Post by Bonin21 » Fri Nov 29 4:00 pm

Get caught up on the name, or just stick with status quo and watch the program die which is what's happening as you bleed STH (that are already aging) with no one out there to replace them.
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Re: 2019-2020 Gopher Hockey Season Thread

Post by JoeGopher » Sat Nov 30 11:41 am

It must be very tough for some of you to get up every morning with the level of negativity that is in your lives. A couple of solutions might be to lay back a little and just enjoy what's happening. Sure, it can be less than desirable product on-ice, but there are sparks. Alternatively, just go away! The program will survive without you - especially the vast numbers that only watch on TV and aren't invested in the program. Your life will be much happier either way.

They are a young team. They have progressed for the most part and gotten better as a team. UND is very good. The best they have played this year. PSU is also very good. They have been competitive against everyone else they have played. I will be interested in what they do after the first of the year as they continue to evolve and get better as a group.

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Re: 2019-2020 Gopher Hockey Season Thread

Post by bearpaw28 » Sat Nov 30 11:54 am

And...MSU is very good & a very veteran team. I’ll be shocked if they don’t win the Mariucci Classic, so if the Gophers make it by Bemidji...they will face a daunting task vs the Purple Cows☝️

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Post by frozen4champs » Sun Dec 01 3:07 pm

I think this year would be easier to swallow had the Sr laden team last year would have made the NCAA's ( actually the last 2 years). We all knew this year was going to be a rebuild, but I think it is more than people thought. It's not like years past when freshmen would come in and light it up. Not enough upper classmen to make up for the inexperience on this team.

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Post by Norm » Sun Dec 01 5:33 pm

We expected this 6 game homestand to be tough, but I sure thought/hoped we would win more than one game.

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Post by gopherfun83 » Sun Dec 01 9:33 pm

bearpaw28 wrote:
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And...MSU is very good & a very veteran team. I’ll be shocked if they don’t win the Mariucci Classic, so if the Gophers make it by Bemidji...they will face a daunting task vs the Purple Cows☝️
MSU is not very good at tournaments. If like most years they will go through the year ranked 1st and then get eliminated in the first round again. It would be nice if the Gophers can beat them in the Mariucci Classic this year.
In NCAA hockey any team can win on any given night. The Gophers could really use a signature upset win like this.

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Post by Bonin21 » Sun Dec 01 9:50 pm

At some point they will string some wins together in the tournament.

Gut feeling one of UMD (puke), UND (puke), or MSU (meh, good for them) wins it this year.
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Post by overtheboards » Sun Dec 01 10:11 pm

Bonin21 wrote:
Sun Dec 01 9:50 pm
At some point they will string some wins together in the tournament.

Gut feeling one of UMD (puke), UND (puke), or MSU (meh, good for them) wins it this year.
If numbers are any indication, it sure seems like they have the goalie who could string together three or four

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Post by glenhogan21 » Mon Dec 02 8:42 am

Mankato and UND seem to be a different level, anything can happen in single elimination tournament. Notre Dame has goalie to win 3-4 close games also.

Gophers so far haven’t had a 5 goal game or post a shutout. What happens first??

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Post by Bonin21 » Mon Dec 02 9:05 am

5 goals probably in a 5 3 win with eng
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Post by Bonin21 » Tue Dec 03 9:45 am

Walker needs to step up. Expectations are higher for him and rightfully so.

1 point in 8 conference games. Can't blame that all on linemates.
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Post by D2D » Tue Dec 03 4:29 pm

Bonin21 wrote:
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Walker needs to step up. Expectations are higher for him and rightfully so.

1 point in 8 conference games. Can't blame that all on linemates.
Trying to stickhandle through 2-3 guys is a recipe for a turnover. I'd like to see him create space to open things up, not only for himself but for his teammates. Opponents must respect his speed, so instead of always trying to skate through (or past) them he should skate to open areas and look to create something.

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Post by glenhogan21 » Tue Dec 03 4:59 pm

Agreed, his speed is well respected and causing guys to back in, but he still tries to go around them. End of Friday’s game was an example, tried to split 2 day and puck dribbled on net. Had he just fired from spot he tried to dangle he may score or get a rebound. Once he starts shooting, guys May start stepping up, then he can makes moves around them.

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Post by gopherfun83 » Tue Dec 03 8:06 pm

Justin Kloos was a great example of this. If Walker eventually starts skating and passing in the offensive zone like he can, it will help his line and the powerplay take the next step.

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Post by Gopher Fan 26 » Sat Dec 07 10:20 am

This is starting to feel a lot like the 2009-2010 team, the worst in my years as a fan. That team started out 5-9-1 and finished 18-19-2, and like this year they couldn't score and featured a bad defense corps. It seems like Lucia's recruiting misses came in waves, as that team featured a bunch (David Fischer, Pat White, and others who never lived up to their potential like Schroeder and Ness), like this team.

Unfortunately it took two years to turn that team around, including the best recruiting class in the last ten years in 2010- Schmidt, Alt, Holl, Parenteau + Bjugstad, Haula, Condon, Serratore. Even that 2010-2011 team was under .500 until going undefeated over its last seven in the regular season (before flaming out in the WCHA first round against UAA :oops: ).

The rest is history though (including a not-too-shabby recruiting class the next year with Rau, Boyd, Ambroz, Warning, and Marshall). If there's hope for this team next year it will be from a remade defense corps. Time will tell. This team is young enough that maybe they'll surprise us next year.

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Re: 2019-2020 Gopher Hockey Season Thread

Post by Handyman » Sat Dec 07 10:53 am

Norm wrote:
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I'm guessing the last thing Bob thinks about when he goes to bed every night is "Why did I come here?"
Lucia thought that early on as well. It takes time...Motzko had less to go with than Lucia did when he got here.

As for Walker...he is a good player surrounded by mediocre players so he often looks better than he is. I said in another thread a few weeks ago he is Jacob Cepis with a bit more talent. He plays at a million miles per hour (which is why he stands out on a team that often is seen being lazy) but wouldnt be a major minutes players (or special team player) on teams that have any real post season aspirations.
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Post by bearpaw28 » Sat Dec 07 11:11 am

Handyman wrote:
Sat Dec 07 10:53 am
Norm wrote:
Fri Nov 29 1:52 pm
I'm guessing the last thing Bob thinks about when he goes to bed every night is "Why did I come here?"
Lucia thought that early on as well. It takes time...Motzko had less to go with than Lucia did when he got here.

As for Walker...he is a good player surrounded by mediocre players so he often looks better than he is. I said in another thread a few weeks ago he is Jacob Cepis with a bit more talent. He plays at a million miles per hour (which is why he stands out on a team that often is seen being lazy) but wouldnt be a major minutes players (or special team player) on teams that have any real post season aspirations.
Regarding Walker, agree with the first sentence. Disagree on the last sentence. Currently he’s their best player. But none of the upper classmen are impact players, not a single one. BM & SR have potential as does the entire freshman class. But Walker would be a top 2 line player & (at a minimum) a penalty killer, on pretty much every team with real post season aspirations ☝️

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Post by trixR4kids » Sat Dec 07 11:42 am

Yeah that's probably accurate, Walker could've definitely been a depth forward on the better teams due to his speed and two way play but he also wouldn't have been on a power play unit or a center in the top 6. Looking at the line chart (scroll down a bit) from 2012 when we had Haula, Bjugstad, and Boyd, he'd be a 4th line center at best (Walker is definitely better than Isackson was lol) or maybe a third line winger instead of Serratore/Ambroz.

I think Walker is closer to the solution than the problem but he's also a good example of the current disparity in talent compared to what we've had in the past.
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Post by Bonin21 » Sat Dec 07 11:45 am

Walker would have been 3C on that team. Boyd didn't turn the corner until the next year.
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Post by Bonin21 » Sat Dec 07 12:21 pm

Gophers that made WJC rosters 2011-2015: 8
(Projected) Gophers that made WJC rosters 2016-2020: 3 (Lindgren x2, Mittelstadt, maybe Ranta but no guarantee)

They're not just disappointing after they hit campus. The recruits are consistently getting passed by peers by the time they hit campus since WJC is a FR/SO tourney.

We have to hope the recruiting rules allow us to get guys that end up meeting expectations.
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Post by glenhogan21 » Sat Dec 07 1:14 pm

I think they can turn into a solid team by end of year, lost a lot of close games, even if the blowouts get the most attention.

There are a lot of good options in USHL this year if you wanted to add a couple guys. Who would you guys want to move on from upfront to make room? Wait, Burke??

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Post by frozen4champs » Sat Dec 07 1:39 pm

We need to somehow get older, which is what tBob wants to do, but with huge Sr class last year, it wasn't possible. If we could get a grad transfer next year, that would help. Then again, all of the sophomores will be Jrs next year and that will improve the situation. Need more balance in the classes.

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Post by trixR4kids » Sat Dec 07 1:54 pm

Bonin21 wrote:
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Walker would have been 3C on that team. Boyd didn't turn the corner until the next year.
He didn't start potting a ton of goals until the next year where he got more minutes (especially on the PP) but even before that he was a solid possession driver and good defensively from what I remember. Either way it's pretty obvious that the current talent doesn't even come close to stacking up with those teams. Also it's funny looking at that roster and seeing Isackson on it.
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I think they can turn into a solid team by end of year, lost a lot of close games, even if the blowouts get the most attention.

There are a lot of good options in USHL this year if you wanted to add a couple guys. Who would you guys want to move on from upfront to make room? Wait, Burke??
Mostly agree on those names, Marooney will be gone too so that opens a spot.
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Post by trixR4kids » Sat Dec 07 2:15 pm

Also on a side note, it'll be interesting to see how Bob does in terms of goalie recruiting going forward. LaFontaine is more or less about what I expected, he was very inconsistent in Michigan and the same seems to be true here. Moe is more of an unknown but doesn't appear to be Wilcox as of yet. From what I recall in SCSU it was a mixed bag. This was one area where Lucia was mostly ahead of the curve in the recent past, other than some of those years where Schierhorn was backed up by Lehr.
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Post by Bonin21 » Sat Dec 07 2:17 pm

It's hard to think of many other players that have had the trajectory of their career completely derailed by injury (or maybe something else) like we've seen with Burke this year.

Other than Ranta, the entire sophomore class is a MASSIVE disappointment this year.
Walker: 2 points in conference
Blake: Disappearing too often and too many penalties
Wait: In a suit most nights
Burke: Yikes
Brinkman: 0 points. I know he's not one to put up many, but 0.
Stucker: He is what he is.
Denman: Doesn't play

This is the class you expected to LEAD your team to title contention as juniors before some went off to the pros.
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Re: 2019-2020 Gopher Hockey Season Thread

Post by D2D » Mon Dec 09 6:34 pm

From Gopher Sports:

"All tickets for the 2019-20 Gopher Hockey season – the 99th campaign in program history – are now on sale through GopherSports.com. Season tickets start at $500 – the lowest price point for season tickets at the University of Minnesota since 1999-2000. Highlighting the 2019-20 slate is one of the strongest home schedules in program history with Minnesota hosting all six Big Ten opponents (Notre Dame, Michigan, Michigan State, Ohio State, Penn State, Wisconsin) along with nonconference foes in North Dakota, Minnesota Duluth, Minnesota State, Bemidji State, St. Cloud State and Niagara."

Maybe they're getting the message?

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Post by Bonin21 » Mon Dec 09 6:36 pm

Um... That was announced like eight months ago...

They are getting the message but if they don't lower again (probably other sections), they will bleed a ton of STH again this summer.
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Post by D2D » Mon Dec 09 7:10 pm

Bonin21 wrote:
Mon Dec 09 6:36 pm
Um... That was announced like eight months ago...
I guess I didn't realize some tickets will be priced at the cheapest price point that they've been in 20 years. With inflation taken into account they will actually cost much less in real dollars.

I think the U needs to do a better job spreading the word on this, beyond those who are on the daily email list. Maybe they very well may do that next fall, as a way to kick off the 2020-21 campaign. And with that I hope this price adjustment will put an end to all the complaining on this board about how the overpriced tickets are what's behind all the empty seats we're seeing this season for most games. Even it's just for a few sections, filling those up would likely lead to similar adjustments elsewhere in the arena, which for sure would create an even better atmosphere.

Of course the real key is for the program to put out a team more capable of generating wins, and lately I'm getting the sense that this is beginning to happen.

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Post by Slap Shot » Mon Dec 09 7:17 pm

Did they really cost less net wise if the (seat license fee or whatever it's called that is not tax deductible?) was jacked up?
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Post by D2D » Mon Dec 09 7:20 pm

Slap Shot wrote:
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Did they really cost less net wise if the (seat license fee or whatever it's called that is not tax deductible?) was jacked up?
Somebody correct me if I'm wrong, but the sections the U has targeted for the price reductions don't have the seat license fees, so they don't figure into the picture.

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Post by Magic » Mon Dec 09 8:01 pm

Drop ALL seat donations in ALL sections and win is the answer to preventing STH numbers from declining next season. If their confused on prices just match Mankato or St Cloud prices

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Post by Cowgirl » Mon Dec 09 9:20 pm

D2D wrote:
Mon Dec 09 7:20 pm
Slap Shot wrote:
Mon Dec 09 7:17 pm
Did they really cost less net wise if the (seat license fee or whatever it's called that is not tax deductible?) was jacked up?
Somebody correct me if I'm wrong, but the sections the U has targeted for the price reductions don't have the seat license fees, so they don't figure into the picture.
The non-donation and the next tier up (with the lowest donation) both dropped in price. For the rest of the arena, yes they “lowered” the “ticket” cost, but added that amount back to the mandatory “donation.”

$500 is still a lot of money for many people. Especially when you factor in that most people need more than one ticket. Us DINKs do okay, but a family of say four - who with kids would probably need close parking and snacks - would give up a large chunk of change.
There is most definitely room for improvement in how they manage STH, but they are really failing at single games, especially when they hike the price for certain rivals. Yeah a season ticket is a great deal in reality when you split that $500 over a season - but for the average folk who have other commitments and can’t use a full season ticket, or can’t afford them for the whole family, they could sadly still spend $500 to take their family of four or five to see a game vs und or wisconsin. They need to make single games far more attractive (without then undercutting the STH).

Gopher Hockey is a priority in my life so I figure out a way to make it work. They should reward those who are similarly dedicated, but still need to entice new people or they’ll never grow the fan base.

They made a half-hearted effort this year, clearly they need to better. Agreed however that winning helps open people’s wallets, a la the football team.

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Post by Bonin21 » Mon Dec 09 9:24 pm

Look how much hockey fans are forking out to go to one football game... Kinda shows where Gopher hockey stands in peoples' minds.
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Post by Handyman » Mon Dec 09 10:28 pm

No offense but if football is good it will always trump hockey. Basketball too. The U is no different than anywhere else.

Hockey is niche, and college hockey is a niche of a niche AT BEST.
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Post by Bonin21 » Mon Dec 09 10:33 pm

Of course it will trump but there seem to be people on here paying more for one football game than season tickets for hockey which they don't have.
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Post by The Rube » Mon Dec 09 10:37 pm

Bonin21 wrote:
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Of course it will trump but there seem to be people on here paying more for one football game than season tickets for hockey which they don't have.
Small difference: the football game is a big-time Bowl Game. If the Gophers had made the title game in Boston a couple years back, LuckyGirl13 and I were considering buying tix at last minute, and flying out there for an overnight trip. That's a bit different than regular season tix.
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It's hard to think of many other players that have had the trajectory of their career completely derailed by injury (or maybe something else) like we've seen with Burke this year.
Nate Hagemo comes to mind. Had a nice Freshman year, got hurt, never recovered.

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Post by Jupiter » Tue Dec 10 10:30 am

The U has not adjusted in recent years...

In the past, there were about 8000 STH. Leaving just 2000 to sell each game for a team that was good. Not hard to do.

Now they have under 5000 STH. Leaving over 5000 tickets to sell each game for a team that is mediocre. A tough sell with the single tickets cost being high.

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Re: 2019-2020 Gopher Hockey Season Thread

Post by frozen4champs » Tue Dec 10 10:31 am

Norm wrote:
Tue Dec 10 9:18 am
Bonin21 wrote:
Sat Dec 07 2:17 pm
It's hard to think of many other players that have had the trajectory of their career completely derailed by injury (or maybe something else) like we've seen with Burke this year.
Nate Hagemo comes to mind. Had a nice Freshman year, got hurt, never recovered.
I would add Connor Riley and Alex Kangas

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Post by Bonin21 » Tue Dec 10 10:39 am

Jupiter wrote:
Tue Dec 10 10:30 am
The U has not adjusted in recent years...

In the past, there were about 8000 STH. Leaving just 2000 to sell each game for a team that was good. Not hard to do.

Now they have under 5000 STH. Leaving over 5000 tickets to sell each game for a team that is mediocre. A tough sell with the single tickets cost being high.
They should have a consulting firm come in a show them how to run a business cuz it's ridiculous. Honestly I think they're f*** until the team is good again.

Next years home schedule is not nearly as interesting at this point.

The only way I can see a net increase in STH next summer would be
Zone 3 and 4: 500
Zone 2: 650
Zone 1: 800

Even that probably wouldn't be enough but you know they are going to milk zone 1 until it's dry.
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And people say who look at the market they are in blah blah blah. This team does not play good enough hockey to warrant 40 dollar tickets and hasn't for about four of the last five years.
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Post by Bonin21 » Tue Dec 10 10:52 am

Since they used the 500 price point in marketing last summer they might need to push it lower again to make an impact this year so I would maybe say
Zone 3 4: 450
Zone 2: 650
Zone 1: 850

Zone 3 is freaking empty this year.
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Walker doesn't seem like he uses his linemates very well. Or else it's a matter of them not keeping up.

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Norm wrote:
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Walker doesn't seem like he uses his linemates very well. Or else it's a matter of them not keeping up.
Walker has great vertical speed, but I don't think he's the complete package. He's a bit like Troy Riddle - very fast player who forces the D into an early retreat but ultimately doesn't have the tools that a complete player has, such as vision, stick work etc.

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I think we saw last year he is very good overall. He just hasn't showed the same much this year.
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Bonin21 wrote:
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I think we saw last year he is very good overall. He just hasn't showed the same much this year.
I agree. Troy Riddle good. Just my opinion, but, at this point, I don't see him as an NHL player.

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Post by trixR4kids » Tue Dec 10 1:27 pm

He could maybe be a depth guy in the NHL but I agree that he isn't a complete package like Haula. Like we said he'd probably still play on some of the better gopher teams but he'd be further down the depth charts and certainly not on a top PP unit (but probably on the PK unit).
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Post by gopher6 » Tue Dec 10 1:31 pm

19 underclassmen on the team there is the issue they will work it out

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Open and shut case
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streakygopher wrote:
Tue Dec 10 12:52 pm
Norm wrote:
Tue Dec 10 12:47 pm
Walker doesn't seem like he uses his linemates very well. Or else it's a matter of them not keeping up.
Walker has great vertical speed, but I don't think he's the complete package. He's a bit like Troy Riddle - very fast player who forces the D into an early retreat but ultimately doesn't have the tools that a complete player has, such as vision, stick work etc.
Aaron Miskovich was like that too. One of the fastest Gophers ever, but had offensive limitations. (Still was fun to watch.) He was good defensively and on PK as he could cover so much ground.

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Post by Butters Stotch » Tue Dec 10 2:36 pm

Norm wrote:
Tue Dec 10 2:20 pm
streakygopher wrote:
Tue Dec 10 12:52 pm
Norm wrote:
Tue Dec 10 12:47 pm
Walker doesn't seem like he uses his linemates very well. Or else it's a matter of them not keeping up.
Walker has great vertical speed, but I don't think he's the complete package. He's a bit like Troy Riddle - very fast player who forces the D into an early retreat but ultimately doesn't have the tools that a complete player has, such as vision, stick work etc.
Aaron Miskovich was like that too. One of the fastest Gophers ever, but had offensive limitations. (Still was fun to watch.) He was good defensively and on PK as he could cover so much ground.
Miskovich had some of the worst hands.

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Post by frozen4champs » Tue Dec 10 3:00 pm

Butters Stotch wrote:
Tue Dec 10 2:36 pm
Norm wrote:
Tue Dec 10 2:20 pm
streakygopher wrote:
Tue Dec 10 12:52 pm
Norm wrote:
Tue Dec 10 12:47 pm
Walker doesn't seem like he uses his linemates very well. Or else it's a matter of them not keeping up.
Walker has great vertical speed, but I don't think he's the complete package. He's a bit like Troy Riddle - very fast player who forces the D into an early retreat but ultimately doesn't have the tools that a complete player has, such as vision, stick work etc.
Aaron Miskovich was like that too. One of the fastest Gophers ever, but had offensive limitations. (Still was fun to watch.) He was good defensively and on PK as he could cover so much ground.
Miskovich had some of the worst hands.
Except when he was on the PK. :D I think he ended up with 10 SHG's.

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Post by Slap Shot » Tue Dec 10 3:23 pm

streakygopher wrote:
Tue Dec 10 12:52 pm
Norm wrote:
Tue Dec 10 12:47 pm
Walker doesn't seem like he uses his linemates very well. Or else it's a matter of them not keeping up.
Walker has great vertical speed, but I don't think he's the complete package. He's a bit like Troy Riddle - very fast player who forces the D into an early retreat but ultimately doesn't have the tools that a complete player has, such as vision, stick work etc.
Riddle finished with 177 points - 82 G and 95 A (1.03/gm) which means he was scoring and dishing, and he didn't shy away from contact. hockeydb doesn't report +/- at Minnesota but his minor league +/- was pretty level. Sammy has 37 points in 55 games so far at the U and imho hasn't shown anything near the consistently that Troy had (30, 47, 51 and 49).
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Post by Cardinal » Tue Dec 10 3:29 pm

Slap Shot wrote:
Tue Dec 10 3:23 pm
streakygopher wrote:
Tue Dec 10 12:52 pm
Norm wrote:
Tue Dec 10 12:47 pm
Walker doesn't seem like he uses his linemates very well. Or else it's a matter of them not keeping up.
Walker has great vertical speed, but I don't think he's the complete package. He's a bit like Troy Riddle - very fast player who forces the D into an early retreat but ultimately doesn't have the tools that a complete player has, such as vision, stick work etc.
Riddle finished with 177 points - 82 G and 95 A (1.03/gm) which means he was scoring and dishing, and he didn't shy away from contact. hockeydb doesn't report +/- at Minnesota but his minor league +/- was pretty level. Sammy has 37 points in 55 games so far at the U and imho hasn't shown anything near the consistently that Troy had (30, 47, 51 and 49).
Scoring in college hockey is WAY down across the board compared to when Riddle played. 100 percent agree that Riddle was a better college player than Walker is or will be, due at least in part to being on way better teams, but the PPG argument isn't a great one in this case.

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Post by Slap Shot » Tue Dec 10 5:00 pm

Cardinal wrote:
Tue Dec 10 3:29 pm
Slap Shot wrote:
Tue Dec 10 3:23 pm
streakygopher wrote:
Tue Dec 10 12:52 pm
Norm wrote:
Tue Dec 10 12:47 pm
Walker doesn't seem like he uses his linemates very well. Or else it's a matter of them not keeping up.
Walker has great vertical speed, but I don't think he's the complete package. He's a bit like Troy Riddle - very fast player who forces the D into an early retreat but ultimately doesn't have the tools that a complete player has, such as vision, stick work etc.
Riddle finished with 177 points - 82 G and 95 A (1.03/gm) which means he was scoring and dishing, and he didn't shy away from contact. hockeydb doesn't report +/- at Minnesota but his minor league +/- was pretty level. Sammy has 37 points in 55 games so far at the U and imho hasn't shown anything near the consistently that Troy had (30, 47, 51 and 49).
Scoring in college hockey is WAY down across the board compared to when Riddle played. 100 percent agree that Riddle was a better college player than Walker is or will be, due at least in part to being on way better teams, but the PPG argument isn't a great one in this case.
So even if you leave pts/game out of it, it was still my observation that Riddle was more capable 1.5 years in than Sammy has been so far. I am not knocking Sammy's potential, only stating I don't find his progress as comparable as of yet.
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Post by Slap Shot » Tue Dec 10 5:07 pm

Looked at the wrong years...
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Post by Vegasgopher » Tue Dec 10 6:06 pm

streakygopher wrote:
Tue Dec 10 1:09 pm
Bonin21 wrote:
Tue Dec 10 12:54 pm
I think we saw last year he is very good overall. He just hasn't showed the same much this year.
I agree. Troy Riddle good. Just my opinion, but, at this point, I don't see him as an NHL player.
I think of him as Schroeder, nothing more

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Post by Maize » Tue Dec 10 6:38 pm

Cardinal wrote:
Tue Dec 10 3:29 pm
Scoring in college hockey is WAY down across the board compared to when Riddle played. 100 percent agree that Riddle was a better college player than Walker is or will be, due at least in part to being on way better teams, but the PPG argument isn't a great one in this case.
Yeah. I don't have national scoring numbers, but they're playing on two completely different teams:

'00-'01 Gophers (Riddle's freshman year): 4.07 goals per game
'01-'02 Gophers (Riddle's sophomore year): 4.48 goals per game
'19-'20 Gophers so far: 2.4 goals per game

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Post by sunbone » Tue Dec 10 6:42 pm

Vegasgopher wrote:
Tue Dec 10 6:06 pm
streakygopher wrote:
Tue Dec 10 1:09 pm
Bonin21 wrote:
Tue Dec 10 12:54 pm
I think we saw last year he is very good overall. He just hasn't showed the same much this year.
I agree. Troy Riddle good. Just my opinion, but, at this point, I don't see him as an NHL player.
I think of him as Schroeder, nothing more
Unlike Schroeder he actually gives consistent effort and seems to care. :wink:

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Post by Handyman » Tue Dec 10 8:07 pm

frozen4champs wrote:
Tue Dec 10 3:00 pm
Butters Stotch wrote:
Tue Dec 10 2:36 pm
Norm wrote:
Tue Dec 10 2:20 pm
streakygopher wrote:
Tue Dec 10 12:52 pm
Norm wrote:
Tue Dec 10 12:47 pm
Walker doesn't seem like he uses his linemates very well. Or else it's a matter of them not keeping up.
Walker has great vertical speed, but I don't think he's the complete package. He's a bit like Troy Riddle - very fast player who forces the D into an early retreat but ultimately doesn't have the tools that a complete player has, such as vision, stick work etc.
Aaron Miskovich was like that too. One of the fastest Gophers ever, but had offensive limitations. (Still was fun to watch.) He was good defensively and on PK as he could cover so much ground.
Miskovich had some of the worst hands.
Except when he was on the PK. :D I think he ended up with 10 SHG's.
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Slap Shot wrote:
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Cardinal wrote:
Tue Dec 10 3:29 pm
Slap Shot wrote:
Tue Dec 10 3:23 pm
streakygopher wrote:
Tue Dec 10 12:52 pm
Norm wrote:
Tue Dec 10 12:47 pm
Walker doesn't seem like he uses his linemates very well. Or else it's a matter of them not keeping up.
Walker has great vertical speed, but I don't think he's the complete package. He's a bit like Troy Riddle - very fast player who forces the D into an early retreat but ultimately doesn't have the tools that a complete player has, such as vision, stick work etc.
Riddle finished with 177 points - 82 G and 95 A (1.03/gm) which means he was scoring and dishing, and he didn't shy away from contact. hockeydb doesn't report +/- at Minnesota but his minor league +/- was pretty level. Sammy has 37 points in 55 games so far at the U and imho hasn't shown anything near the consistently that Troy had (30, 47, 51 and 49).
Scoring in college hockey is WAY down across the board compared to when Riddle played. 100 percent agree that Riddle was a better college player than Walker is or will be, due at least in part to being on way better teams, but the PPG argument isn't a great one in this case.
So even if you leave pts/game out of it, it was still my observation that Riddle was more capable 1.5 years in than Sammy has been so far. I am not knocking Sammy's potential, only stating I don't find his progress as comparable as of yet.
Yes, Riddle was fortunate enough to play on championship caliber teams. Walker is stuck playing on a very young team trying to find its way. This has been and likely will be a tough year for him.

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Re: 2019-2020 Gopher Hockey Season Thread

Post by JWG » Wed Dec 11 3:22 pm

NCAA.com released their first Bracketology of the season... didn't even bother to click through.
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