Wolves / NBA:

[Bertogliat]

Could he have written that tweet any worse?

[frozen4champs]

Could he have written that tweet any worse?

I had to read it a couple of times. But it is a Hershel Walker like trade. 4 first round picks and 4 first round "swaps" and players. Not sure what that means, but guessing it gives Houston the choice to swap picks if they choose?

[MATT]

[Beauner]

Could he have written that tweet any worse?

I had to read it a couple of times. But it is a Hershel Walker like trade. 4 first round picks and 4 first round "swaps" and players. Not sure what that means, but guessing it gives Houston the choice to swap picks if they choose?

Correct. The NBA prohibits teams from trading first round picks in back to back seasons. So they trade every other year and then "swap picks" if the Nets were to finish below the Rockets (have a higher pick) in the other seasons.

[JWG]

Man... the Wolves are... something.

[Chris83]

Man... the Wolves are... something.

I was hoping for "moving" instead of "something"

[team22tank]

Do the Wolves ever plan on going out and getting a NBA caliber coach?

[Maize]

Failin' for Jalen.

[Beauner]

KAT has tested positive for COVID.

[gopher6]

Cuban has ordered stop playing national anthem
https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/308 ... -direction

[Don Adams Wheel of Justice]

In before the lock.

[gopher6]

Well the NBA stepped in and told Cuban to play anthem
https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/308 ... nal-anthem

[Bertogliat]

I made some awesome banana bread last week. I regret not adding walnuts, but it was still delicious.

[Steve MN]

I made some awesome banana bread last week. I regret not adding walnuts, but it was still delicious.

Walnuts do make banana bread better, yes.

[davescharf]

I made some awesome banana bread last week. I regret not adding walnuts, but it was still delicious.

Walnuts do make banana bread better, yes.

Can you use a Sous Vide to make better banana bread?

[Beauner]

I made some awesome banana bread last week. I regret not adding walnuts, but it was still delicious.

Walnuts do make banana bread better, yes.

I'm a big fan of chocolate chips or butterscotch chips mixed in once in a while.

[Steve MN]

I'm skeptical on the Sous Vide, and never tried butterscotch chips, but chocolate chips are definitely a good addition occasionally (not all the time, though, but that's just preference).

[davescharf]

Butterscotch in banana bread (or anything for that matter) should be a capital offense.

[Steve MN]

OK... I think it's time to return to the regularly scheduled, non-political topic?

[JWG]

Wolves now officially the worst team in the NBA.

[Slap Shot]

Wolves now officially the worst team in the NBA.

Same as it ever was.

[Steve MN]

Wolves now officially the worst team in the NBA.

Same as it ever was.

Now now... they had a year or two when they were pretty good... 17 years or so ago?

[Laxref]

Will the wolves be in Minnesota in 5 years?

[Bladepuller]

Will the wolves be in Minnesota in 5 years?

Who would be willing to take them?

[gopher6]

Will the wolves be in Minnesota in 5 years?

Who would be willing to take them?

Seattle

[davescharf]

You wonder though with Towns, Russell, and the emergence of Beasley if this could actually be a good team with the right coach. They’ll still be mostly terrible defensively but I think Saunders is in way over his head even if the players like him

[Laxref]

Will the wolves be in Minnesota in 5 years?

Who would be willing to take them?

Las Vegas

[Steve MN]

Will the wolves be in Minnesota in 5 years?

Who would be willing to take them?

Las Vegas

Of course if that happens, they'll get the #1 lottery pick 2 of the following 3 years...

[Bertogliat]

I'll trade the wolves for a first round NHL pick from the Golden Knights.

[HockeyBum]

I'll trade the wolves for a first round NHL pick from the Golden Knights.

You drive a harder bargain than I would.

[Bertogliat]

I'll trade the wolves for a first round NHL pick from the Golden Knights.

You drive a harder bargain than I would.

When negotiating a sale, start high.

[frozen4champs]

Will the wolves be in Minnesota in 5 years?

Who would be willing to take them?

Las Vegas

Of course if that happens, they'll get the #1 lottery pick 2 of the following 3 years...

And win the title in year 4.

[Bladepuller]

I lost all interest in the NBA the way players are the personnel managers.
I used to go to a lot (like all) of my grandkids games from travel thru HS but I have no interest at all in the NBA.
NCAA I'll sometimes watch. Watching Gophers / Purdue right now

[Zwak]

I lost all interest in the NBA the way players are the personnel managers.
I used to go to a lot (like all) of my grandkids games from travel thru HS but I have no interest at all in the NBA.
NCAA I'll sometimes watch. Watching Gophers / Purdue right now

I was a huge NBA fan back in the 80’s. Dr. J’s 76ers were my favorite team.

[Slap Shot]

I lost all interest in the NBA the way players are the personnel managers.
I used to go to a lot (like all) of my grandkids games from travel thru HS but I have no interest at all in the NBA.
NCAA I'll sometimes watch. Watching Gophers / Purdue right now

I was a huge NBA fan back in the 80’s. Dr. J’s 76ers were my favorite team.

I lost 95% of my interest about the time Kobe started taking over the league. And although hockey was by far the #1 sport in our house, we definitely were fans of the NBA in the 70's, 80's and early 90's, and before the Wolves came along I was a huge Celtics fan because of McHale.

[gopher6]

I lost all interest in the NBA the way players are the personnel managers.
I used to go to a lot (like all) of my grandkids games from travel thru HS but I have no interest at all in the NBA.
NCAA I'll sometimes watch. Watching Gophers / Purdue right now

NBA = Nothing but attitude, I can not watch

[Chris83]

Regarding the Wolves I've said this before, but my opinion is that as long as Taylor owns the team the toxicity will continue. The franchise needs a new vision and fresh reboot. Do a clean, complete break from the past. Flip will always have a place in my heart as a Gopher. My HS friends and I were at every home game for the '76-'77 squad, with Flip, Mychal Thompson, McHale, Ray Williams, sitting in the general admission rafters at the Barn. Absolutely incredible season, even though it was later "erased". And his years as the Wolves' coach produced the high points for the franchise. But Flip is gone and Ryan Saunders needs to go. If he wasn't Flip's son he wouldn't be the head coach...period.
As for the NBA in general, I have tended to watch once the playoffs start. However, my interest has diminished the past few years with the emergence of the "All-Star Team" era. I don't begrudge the players arranging these mega-squads, I just have little desire to watch it.

[Don Adams Wheel of Justice]

Agreed on Taylor. The best thing for the T-wolves would be for Taylor to sell the team to a well known, young, minority owner who the players can relate to and who can recruit players to Minnesota. I have no idea who that person is but it would represent a 180 degree change for this franchise.

[Master_Shake]

Agreed on Taylor. The best thing for the T-wolves would be for Taylor to sell the team to a well known, young, minority owner who the players can relate to and who can recruit players to Minnesota. I have no idea who that person is but it would represent a 180 degree change for this franchise.

LOL that person is KG

[Don Adams Wheel of Justice]

I thought of KG but I wonder if he falls into the Barkley/Shaq mold that players have already tuned out.

[Sioux/Bucky Hater]

Agreed on Taylor. The best thing for the T-wolves would be for Taylor to sell the team to a well known, young, minority owner who the players can relate to and who can recruit players to Minnesota. I have no idea who that person is but it would represent a 180 degree change for this franchise.

LOL that person is KG

Anyone check the weather this week? It doesn't matter who owns the club, who coaches the club, or who plays on the club, in today's NBA, you need to get the superstar free agent. It has never happened here and it never will.

[Bladepuller]

Agreed on Taylor. The best thing for the T-wolves would be for Taylor to sell the team to a well known, young, minority owner who the players can relate to and who can recruit players to Minnesota. I have no idea who that person is but it would represent a 180 degree change for this franchise.

LOL that person is KG

Anyone check the weather this week? It doesn't matter who owns the club, who coaches the club, or who plays on the club, in today's NBA, you need to get the superstar free agent. It has never happened here and it never will.

There you go. Letting facts get in the way. It was -27 up in our favorite neighborhood Thur. AM.
Not there now so it is a balmy -15.

[Sioux/Bucky Hater]

I lost all interest in the NBA the way players are the personnel managers.
I used to go to a lot (like all) of my grandkids games from travel thru HS but I have no interest at all in the NBA.
NCAA I'll sometimes watch. Watching Gophers / Purdue right now

I was a huge NBA fan back in the 80’s. Dr. J’s 76ers were my favorite team.

I lost 95% of my interest about the time Kobe started taking over the league. And although hockey was by far the #1 sport in our house, we definitely were fans of the NBA in the 70's, 80's and early 90's, and before the Wolves came along I was a huge Celtics fan because of McHale.

I hear ya Blade. I would much rather watch kids play for the love of the game than some prima donna for money. Happy, and somewhat surprised that the Gophers held on last night.

You mean Moses Malone's sixers. He was unreal and while not the face of that franchise, can be argued as having a bigger impact. The doc was amazing and had some serious fro!

I was a HUGE NBA fan in the 80's and 90's. I watched and attended countless games (the best being at Chicago Stadium). While my dad was a Celtics fan, I was a believer that the kid from UNC was gonna turn his franchise around. It took a while, but boy did he ever. After his 1st retirement (suspension) I lost some interest and his 2nd may have well ended it. And if it didn't, the 2004 Western Conference Finals sure did.

[Maize]

Anyone check the weather this week? It doesn't matter who owns the club, who coaches the club, or who plays on the club, in today's NBA, you need to get the superstar free agent. It has never happened here and it never will.

A guy that played for the Wolves two years ago carried his team to the Finals last season.

[Sioux/Bucky Hater]

Anyone check the weather this week? It doesn't matter who owns the club, who coaches the club, or who plays on the club, in today's NBA, you need to get the superstar free agent. It has never happened here and it never will.

A guy that played for the Wolves two years ago carried his team to the Finals last season.

I stand corrected. The Wolves got a really good player to come here and play really hard for a little while.

[Bladepuller]

I had no idea who Jimmy Buckets and Thibs were until the were here.
That bit that Thibs ran had a limited shelf life & Jimmy's is the same. The thing is I like Jimmy's game, I'm just not sure he is as good of a teammate as HE believes he is.

[Sioux/Bucky Hater]

I had no idea who Jimmy Buckets and Thibs were until the were here.
That bit that Thibs ran had a limited shelf life & Jimmy's is the same. The thing is I like Jimmy's game, I'm just not sure he is as good of a teammate as HE believes he is.

You put it much better than I did.

[Beauner]

Former Gopher Amir Coffey is 5/6 from 3-pt range tonight in the Clippers vs. Heat game.

[Beauner]

D'Angelo Russell having arthroscopic knee surgery. Out 4-6 weeks for Wolves.

[Bertogliat]

I turned on the Wolves game. Watched them go on a 10-0 run. Got bored and turned off the TV.

[gopherguy06]

Wolves fire Ryan Saunders

[Snowcool08]

Wolves fire Ryan Saunders

And have already hired Toronto’s assistant coach as their head coach.

[gopherguy06]

Wolves fire Ryan Saunders

And have already hired Toronto’s assistant coach as their head coach.

Seems like they had a multi year deal with Chris Finch already in place.

Can’t blame e wolves, with the league worse record and lost 8 out of last 9

[ex_goldy]

Good luck to new coach Chris Finch. They just played against Toronto on Friday. He could have stayed here and unpacked.

[Chris83]

10th coach in 15 years. Again, Taylor is the chaotic constant.

[Zwak]

10th coach in 15 years. Again, Taylor is the chaotic constant.

That is just an amazing stat. A new coach basically every 1.5 years.

Dumb question, what is it that Taylor does/doesn't do that causes this to happen?

[Don Adams Wheel of Justice]

New GM's always bring in their guy to coach so this shouldn't be a big surprise. Hopefully, Rosas knows how to build a roster and the new guy knows how to coach them.

[Beauner]

10th coach in 15 years. Again, Taylor is the chaotic constant.

That is just an amazing stat. A new coach basically every 1.5 years.

Dumb question, what is it that Taylor does/doesn't do that causes this to happen?

In short, the people he hires to manage are freaking terrible. He seems to think he knows more than the people he hires to know things. Think Jerry Jones' dumber brother.

Going back to Kevin Love, he refused to give him a 5 year max, gave him a 3-year opt out, and then ripped Kevin Love for his performances.

The team was 20-20 under Dwane Casey in 2006-2007 (Casey's second season), a roster featuring a 30 year old KG, and basketball luminaries like Ricky Davis, Randy Foye, Marko Jaric, and Rashad McCants. Taylor fired Dwane Casey with a record at .500, and replaced him with Randy Wittman who led the team to a 12-30 record the rest of the way. Casey took over Toronto a few years later and in two seasons turned them from a 22-60 record the year before he got hired into a top contender in the East, including winning their division and being a top playoff seed five years in a row.

Hell, going back to the decision to fire Flip back in 2004, right after the only time the team had won a single playoff series (losing in the conference finals), because the team got off to a slow start.

Then the failed hiring of Kahn (really the franchise-changer), allowing McHale too much leash (hiring and firing like 3 coaches in 5 years after Flip)...

There's been one common denominator with all the terrible decisions this franchise has made. His name is Glen Taylor.

[Greyeagle]

The Lions point at the ‘wolves and laugh.

[Zwak]

10th coach in 15 years. Again, Taylor is the chaotic constant.

That is just an amazing stat. A new coach basically every 1.5 years.

Dumb question, what is it that Taylor does/doesn't do that causes this to happen?

In short, the people he hires to manage are freaking terrible. He seems to think he knows more than the people he hires to know things. Think Jerry Jones' dumber brother.

Going back to Kevin Love, he refused to give him a 5 year max, gave him a 3-year opt out, and then ripped Kevin Love for his performances.

The team was 20-20 under Dwane Casey in 2006-2007 (Casey's second season), a roster featuring a 30 year old KG, and basketball luminaries like Ricky Davis, Randy Foye, Marko Jaric, and Rashad McCants. Taylor fired Dwane Casey with a record at .500, and replaced him with Randy Wittman who led the team to a 12-30 record the rest of the way. Casey took over Toronto a few years later and in two seasons turned them from a 22-60 record the year before he got hired into a top contender in the East, including winning their division and being a top playoff seed five years in a row.

Hell, going back to the decision to fire Flip back in 2004, right after the only time the team had won a single playoff series (losing in the conference finals), because the team got off to a slow start.

Then the failed hiring of Kahn (really the franchise-changer), allowing McHale too much leash (hiring and firing like 3 coaches in 5 years after Flip)...

There's been one common denominator with all the terrible decisions this franchise has made. His name is Glen Taylor.

I'm not a great NBA mind nor an NBA fan. Thanks for the great insights. I would agree that the David Kahn hiring may go down in history as one of the worst decisions in MN pro sports history.

[davescharf]

It’s hard to argue who was worse - David Kahn or Tim Brewster

[Iceburg]

It’s hard to argue who was worse - David Kahn or Tim Brewster

Throw in Les Steckel and take suggestions as to who fills out the Mount Rushmore.

[Slap Shot]

It’s hard to argue who was worse - David Kahn or Tim Brewster

Throw in Les Steckel and take suggestions as to who fills out the Mount Rushmore.

I'd add Norm Green.

Regarding the new coaching hire:

Positives: he's had nothing to do with the Timberwolves organization. Until now.

[Beauner]

It’s hard to argue who was worse - David Kahn or Tim Brewster

Throw in Les Steckel and take suggestions as to who fills out the Mount Rushmore.

I'd add Norm Green.

Regarding the new coaching hire:

Positives: he's had nothing to do with the Timberwolves organization. Until now.

He supposedly had interviewed for the job when it was open before and given to Saunders (I have a suspicion that Taylor weighed in heavily in that decision too, given his relationship with the Saunders family).

I do think Ryan has the ability to be a very good coach. Unfortunately with Towns and/or Russell being hurt basically the entire time they've been on the same team, we never got to see what the team would look like with him at the helm and those two with Beasley and Anthony Edwards playing. I heard today that KAT and DLo have played only 5 games together since the trade acquisition for DLo. That's kinda insane.

Wouldn't shock me if Ryan tries his hand as a college coach, TBH.

[Bonin21]

Wouldn't shock me if Ryan tries his hand as a college coach, TBH.

Job will be open across the river within a couple months.

[frozen4champs]

Here is the list of coaches in Wolves history... Ryan Saunders winning% is in the middle of the pack

1 Bill Musselman 1989–1991 164 51-113 .311
2 Jimmy Rodgers 1991–1993 111 21-90 .189
3 Sidney Lowe 1993–1994 135 33-102 .244
4 Bill Blair 1994–1995 102 27-75 .265
5 Flip Saunders 1995–2005 737 411-326 .558 2003–04 Midwest Division championship
6 Kevin McHale 2005 31 19-12 .613
7 Dwane Casey 2005–2007 122 53-69 .434
8 Randy Wittman 2007–2008 143 38-105 .266
— Kevin McHale 2008–2009 63 20-43 .317
9 Kurt Rambis 2009–2011 164 32-132 .195
10 Rick Adelman 2011–2014 230 97-133 .422
－ Flip Saunders 2014–2015 82 16-66 .195
11 Sam Mitchell 2015–2016 82 29-53 .354
12 Tom Thibodeau 2016–2019 204 97-107 .475
13 Ryan Saunders 2019–2021 106 36-70 .340

[Bonin21]

Well ya, Wolves are a joke

[Laxref]

Wouldn't shock me if Ryan tries his hand as a college coach, TBH.

Job will be open across the river within a couple months.

Love to see Ryan coaching the maroon and gold.

[Beauner]

I knew Kurt Rambis was bad. But that list frozen4champs posted... my god.

[Chris83]

Let's not forget Glen's under the table mastery in the Joe Smith catastrophe.

[frozen4champs]

[Bonin21]

Wolves now have the worst winning percentage of any franchise in the big four. Send them to another place

[JWG]

I think Vegas needs a bouncy ball team. I know an inept franchise in need of a home.

[Bertogliat]

I think Vegas needs a bouncy ball team. I know an inept franchise in need of a home.

I offered to trade the Timberwolves to Las Vegas for a 1st round NHL draft pick and nobody bit.

[D2D]

I offered to trade the Timberwolves to Las Vegas for a 1st round NHL draft pick and nobody bit.

Wolves on the ice would have good reach, but hitting the net would be a problem. Might have to throw in Parise to sweeten the deal.