Wolves / NBA:

[Handyman]

The Cavs are gonna play 2 PGs? Sure thing John...

Now I got no clue who the Wolves pick I recognize like one name

[Handyman]

So Hunter goes 4...apparently the Garland workout play didnt work

If the Wolves get him at 6 that would be pretty sweet. (no idea what Cleveland wants to do)

Why don't you trust me and my sources

I trust only Meatsauce and that is just cause it ticks off the real media types

WoJo saying Cavs might take Garland so your sources suck

Cavs take Garland. Guess the Wolves will take Coby White here.

FTR, it was my own opinion that they didn't need Garland not any "sources". Maybe they're gonna play Garland and Sexton together like Rubio and Fly...

I think the Cavs made a mistake...but they are the Cavs they do that

White would be the smart pick and still makes the Butler trade that much better (Dario was part of that trade)

[ScoobyDoo]

White. Need a point guard so bad.

[Handyman]

Oh lord I forgot about White's hair

[ScoobyDoo]

Nope. Shooting guard. Culver.

[Handyman]

I like Culver but I liked White better. Both better than Dario and whoever they would have gotten at 11

edit: I actually like Culver a lot...if he puts the time in Chauncey is right he can be Butler. I saw TTU play a lot in the tourny so I have seen he can play. I just preferred a PG

[Bonin21]

Guy we wanted gets picked one before. Classic.

[Handyman]

Guy we wanted gets picked one before. Classic.

Poster who doesnt care about sport but will go into any thread so he can do his "woe is me" schtick. Classic.

You didnt even know who Garland was before I said he would go 5th and now you are lamenting him like he is the love we lost. You dont even know if that was who the Wolves wanted that was just the rumor given to the media. (like Garland going 4th was)

[Bonin21]

Says he's going 4th

"Before I said he would go 5th" lol

[Laxref]

Amir Coffey undrafted, sure would have been nice to have him back.

[mjarz02]

Guy we wanted gets picked one before. Classic.

Poster who doesnt care about sport but will go into any thread so he can do his "woe is me" schtick. Classic.

You didnt even know who Garland was before I said he would go 5th and now you are lamenting him like he is the love we lost. You dont even know if that was who the Wolves wanted that was just the rumor given to the media. (like Garland going 4th was)

Wolves had to know that Garland was going 5th. The Suns desperately needed a PG and were high on Garland. They traded the 6th pick because they knew he wouldn't be there. Culver can play both wing spots and at TT he ran the point at times. His defense is legit and I think he will be a better 3 pt shooter than his stats from last year.

[Slap Shot]

Amir Coffey undrafted, sure would have been nice to have him back.

Good luck riding buses in Eastern Europe?

[mjarz02]

Amir Coffey undrafted, sure would have been nice to have him back.

Good luck riding buses in Eastern Europe?

Or riding buses in the G-league. But I would argue its better to get paid to play than play for free.

[Bonin21]

"for free" not saying they get enough but they get something good.

[mjarz02]

"for free" not saying they get enough but they get something good.

Fair enough. It's better to collect a paycheck than to not collect one.

[Handyman]

Says he's going 4th

"Before I said he would go 5th" lol

What are you talking about? I never said he would go 5th I said the experts said he would go 4th. If Atlanta doesnt trade up he probably does because the Pelicans dont draft Hunter I dont think. He didnt. So what? Happens every year in pretty much every draft. (and oh my god I am off by a whole pick) Am I supposed to feel shame because I didnt get the #4 pick right in a draft I havent watched in like 7 years with a bunch of players I have seen play AT BEST 7-8 times? Yeah you are right...what a loser I am! (as would be the "experts" I stole the take from) I apologize for being wrong.

Keep trying to deflect Eeyore. Your bit is tired and rather pathetic.

[Handyman]

Amir Coffey undrafted, sure would have been nice to have him back.

Good luck riding buses in Eastern Europe?

Or riding buses in the G-league. But I would argue its better to get paid to play than play for free.

They dont get paid much so as I said before if he left to get paid he made a bad financial decision. I dont begrudge him because every year you wait it becomes harder if you go the G-League route, but I dont think he improved his situation all that much. I hope I am wrong but I bet in 5 years his career will be as silent to us as Trevor Mbakwe's was/is.

[Slap Shot]

Amir Coffey undrafted, sure would have been nice to have him back.

Good luck riding buses in Eastern Europe?

Or riding buses in the G-league. But I would argue its better to get paid to play than play for free.

They dont get paid much so as I said before if he left to get paid he made a bad financial decision. I dont begrudge him because every year you wait it becomes harder if you go the G-League route, but I dont think he improved his situation all that much. I hope I am wrong but I bet in 5 years his career will be as silent to us as Trevor Mbakwe's was/is.

Agreed. If he finished his degree and the NBA didn't pan out he could write his own ticket in this town if he's even marginally competent at his studies. As it stands I argue the competition he'd face in a full NCAA season playing a solid NC schedule, in argument the 1a or 1b best conference in the country, the BT tournament and likely the spotlight of the NCAA tournament would make him more ready for the next level than the G league.

But I don't begrudge him either I just think if he really thought the NBA minors was his best route to a big ticket he made the wrong choice. But good luck to him I hope he proves me wrong.

[mjarz02]

Amir Coffey undrafted, sure would have been nice to have him back.

Good luck riding buses in Eastern Europe?

Or riding buses in the G-league. But I would argue its better to get paid to play than play for free.

They dont get paid much so as I said before if he left to get paid he made a bad financial decision. I dont begrudge him because every year you wait it becomes harder if you go the G-League route, but I dont think he improved his situation all that much. I hope I am wrong but I bet in 5 years his career will be as silent to us as Trevor Mbakwe's was/is.

Do you honestly think if he played another year in college that his draft stock would improve to the point of getting a guaranteed roster spot in the NBA? 3 College seniors were drafted in the first round this year. Coffey is a very good college player and it would of been great to see him play another year. However, he has to take that next step to find out if he can play in the NBA. It's going to be a grind, but he will get paid to do it. No shame in making decent money to play basketball.

[Handyman]

Did you actually read what I said?

Again because you keep missing the point I said it is a bad FINANCIAL decision. He is going to make dick next year and probably the year after that unless he goes to Europe or someone is desperate for a left handed wing or something. If someone told him this was smart because he would be getting paid they are wrong because he wont.

I dont think he will ever get an NBA roster spot for more than a cup of (ugh) coffee. That is why I dont begrudge him taking the chance because the older you get the harder it is to break in. (look in my post I said that) But since I say he has a 1% chance of ever playing no matter the route the difference is negligible. If he played for the Gophs and had a great season he likely gets drafted at best in the second round (unless he fixes his glaring deficiencies) so it really doesnt much matter. To me it is six of one, half a dozen of the other.

Since he will likely finish his degree anyways (because he left in good standing the U will honor it per BT rules) he will be fine on that front. I just want to keep reminding people he isnt leaving to go make a rookie NBA contract...he is leaving to work for most likely 30-40k in a league that doesnt draw well and is a grind to move to the next level. I think when it comes to money that is a pretty sideways move since he isnt hurting. From a playing standpoint he is slightly better off going pro if teams are telling him the G-League is where he can fix his problems. No matter my guess is he spends 70-80% of his career overseas where I think his game will make him more money than the NBA will.

[mjarz02]

Did you actually read what I said?

Again because you keep missing the point I said it is a bad FINANCIAL decision. He is going to make dick next year and probably the year after that unless he goes to Europe or someone is desperate for a left handed wing or something. If someone told him this was smart because he would be getting paid they are wrong because he wont.

I dont think he will ever get an NBA roster spot for more than a cup of (ugh) coffee. That is why I dont begrudge him taking the chance because the older you get the harder it is to break in. (look in my post I said that) But since I say he has a 1% chance of ever playing no matter the route the difference is negligible. If he played for the Gophs and had a great season he likely gets drafted at best in the second round (unless he fixes his glaring deficiencies) so it really doesnt much matter. To me it is six of one, half a dozen of the other.

Since he will likely finish his degree anyways (because he left in good standing the U will honor it per BT rules) he will be fine on that front. I just want to keep reminding people he isnt leaving to go make a rookie NBA contract...he is leaving to work for most likely 30-40k in a league that doesnt draw well and is a grind to move to the next level. I think when it comes to money that is a pretty sideways move since he isnt hurting. From a playing standpoint he is slightly better off going pro if teams are telling him the G-League is where he can fix his problems. No matter my guess is he spends 70-80% of his career overseas where I think his game will make him more money than the NBA will.

Its only a bad financial decision if he was expecting to be a first round pick. Making 7k a month during the season with the possibility of bonuses and/or two way contract is not peanuts. From this post, it doesn't seem like you believe him going back for a senior year would improve his chances of landing a guaranteed contract and I think we agree on that.

[Slap Shot]

Amir Coffey undrafted, sure would have been nice to have him back.

Good luck riding buses in Eastern Europe?

Or riding buses in the G-league. But I would argue its better to get paid to play than play for free.

They dont get paid much so as I said before if he left to get paid he made a bad financial decision. I dont begrudge him because every year you wait it becomes harder if you go the G-League route, but I dont think he improved his situation all that much. I hope I am wrong but I bet in 5 years his career will be as silent to us as Trevor Mbakwe's was/is.

Do you honestly think if he played another year in college that his draft stock would improve to the point of getting a guaranteed roster spot in the NBA?

You will argue G-league ball would make him more NBA ready right now than a Big Ten season? Is there a plethora of 3-year NCAA players into the G making the NBA over 4-year NCAA players? If so I'll stand corrected.

[mjarz02]

Amir Coffey undrafted, sure would have been nice to have him back.

Good luck riding buses in Eastern Europe?

Or riding buses in the G-league. But I would argue its better to get paid to play than play for free.

They dont get paid much so as I said before if he left to get paid he made a bad financial decision. I dont begrudge him because every year you wait it becomes harder if you go the G-League route, but I dont think he improved his situation all that much. I hope I am wrong but I bet in 5 years his career will be as silent to us as Trevor Mbakwe's was/is.

Do you honestly think if he played another year in college that his draft stock would improve to the point of getting a guaranteed roster spot in the NBA?

You will argue G-league ball would make him more NBA ready right now than a Big Ten season? Is there a plethora of 3-year NCAA players into the G making the NBA over 4-year NCAA players? If so I'll stand corrected.

More NBA ready? Maybe, but maybe not. Well the 3pt line and rules are just like the Nba so that might help. Also if he plays well he has a chance to get called up and maybe sign a two way contract. I just don't think he has much to gain by playing his senior year other than making MN fans happy.

[Handyman]

Did you actually read what I said?

Again because you keep missing the point I said it is a bad FINANCIAL decision. He is going to make dick next year and probably the year after that unless he goes to Europe or someone is desperate for a left handed wing or something. If someone told him this was smart because he would be getting paid they are wrong because he wont.

I dont think he will ever get an NBA roster spot for more than a cup of (ugh) coffee. That is why I dont begrudge him taking the chance because the older you get the harder it is to break in. (look in my post I said that) But since I say he has a 1% chance of ever playing no matter the route the difference is negligible. If he played for the Gophs and had a great season he likely gets drafted at best in the second round (unless he fixes his glaring deficiencies) so it really doesnt much matter. To me it is six of one, half a dozen of the other.

Since he will likely finish his degree anyways (because he left in good standing the U will honor it per BT rules) he will be fine on that front. I just want to keep reminding people he isnt leaving to go make a rookie NBA contract...he is leaving to work for most likely 30-40k in a league that doesnt draw well and is a grind to move to the next level. I think when it comes to money that is a pretty sideways move since he isnt hurting. From a playing standpoint he is slightly better off going pro if teams are telling him the G-League is where he can fix his problems. No matter my guess is he spends 70-80% of his career overseas where I think his game will make him more money than the NBA will.

Its only a bad financial decision if he was expecting to be a first round pick. Making 7k a month during the season with the possibility of bonuses and/or two way contract is not peanuts. From this post, it doesn't seem like you believe him going back for a senior year would improve his chances of landing a guaranteed contract and I think we agree on that.

No it wouldnt. But he could do better than 30k if he got a decent waiter gig. That money is pretty mediocre. Plus he doesnt need money anyways.

Doesnt matter he made his decision. For his sake I hope he has a good career no matter where it is.

[Handyman]

Amir Coffey undrafted, sure would have been nice to have him back.

Good luck riding buses in Eastern Europe?

Or riding buses in the G-league. But I would argue its better to get paid to play than play for free.

They dont get paid much so as I said before if he left to get paid he made a bad financial decision. I dont begrudge him because every year you wait it becomes harder if you go the G-League route, but I dont think he improved his situation all that much. I hope I am wrong but I bet in 5 years his career will be as silent to us as Trevor Mbakwe's was/is.

Do you honestly think if he played another year in college that his draft stock would improve to the point of getting a guaranteed roster spot in the NBA?

You will argue G-league ball would make him more NBA ready right now than a Big Ten season? Is there a plethora of 3-year NCAA players into the G making the NBA over 4-year NCAA players? If so I'll stand corrected.

Actually yes playing in the G-League would be better for him developmentally. NBA teams want players as young as possible. A senior year in the Big Ten would set him back another year because to the NBA he would still have tons of issues with his game that need to be worked out in the G-League. So he would essentially be a year behind. And, the older you get in the G-League the harder it is to get the NBA to look your way. Not to mention, if he gets hurt (which he tends to do) he can kiss any shot of improving his status goodbye.

Now he could buck that trend if he has an amazing senior year...but even that probably wouldnt do much for him. His issues are too glaring and arent going to change with another year in college.

Now the flip side of all of this is most likely you are talking the difference of a few percentage points. If you think right now he has a 10% chance of making the NBA ever if he came back for his senior year (assuming no injury) then it is probably like 5% if he comes back.

[frozen4champs]

[Handyman]

From what I am reading it is not actually a two way deal its a summer league invite with a bonus that can be turned into a two way deal. I cant pretend though to know what any of that means

[gopher6]

NBA in talks to shorten season
https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/270 ... ason-event

[Bonin21]

So get rid of Wiggins to pick up Russell and then the kid they drafted hopefully replaces Wiggins? I guess that could be a net win over drafted PG + Wiggins.

[Handyman]

If they can unload Wiggins contract that alone is a win whether they get Russel or not. Wiggins just doesnt seem to have the drive to turn himself into the player he could be with his talent level.

[frozen4champs]

[frozen4champs]

[Handyman]

The Nets are morons. Durant is out the year (and may never return to form) and Kyrie is a cancer who made Boston worse when he played. It is a good headline...but I will bet in 3 years they will wish they never made these moves outside of Jordan.

Good for Rose getting a two year deal.

[Bonin21]

So get rid of Wiggins to pick up Russell and then the kid they drafted hopefully replaces Wiggins? I guess that could be a net win over drafted PG + Wiggins.

NVM

[Chris83]

Oh well, at least the T'Wolves got Jordan Bell as a consolation prize. Following this franchise to any degree has to be one of the biggest downers in the history of professional sports.

[Iceburg]

Following this franchise to any degree has to be one of the biggest downers in the history of professional sports.

Well, I was a fan of the Washinton Generals for several years.

[Chris83]

Kawhi Leonard via free agency (4 years, $141 million) and Paul George via trade with OKC (for unprotected 2022, 2024 and 2026 picks, unprotected 2021 and protected 2023 first-round picks via Miami, and the rights to swap picks with the Clippers in 2023 and 2025 and two players) to the LA Clippers. Apparently LAC were terrified that Leonard would sign with the Lakers and relegate them back to irrelevancy status in Los Angeles. Sounds like Toronto did everything they could to keep Leonard, but it didn't work out. I rarely pay any attention to the NBA until the playoffs, so with the Timberwolves continuing to be a non-entity, I'll check in to see how this works out next Spring.

[Bonin21]

The difference between the haves and have nots is ridiculous.

[frozen4champs]

[Bonin21]

The difference between the haves and have nots is ridiculous.

[george]

Wolves sign Jordan Murphy?

[Maize]

Wolves sign Jordan Murphy?

Just for training camp, at this point.

[Bonin21]

Wolves are up by 16 on one of the good teams in the league. This can't last right? lol

Oh, KD is hurt

[Chris83]

Well, the Wolves managed to cough up a big lead, then come back, give up another lead, but still hung on to win in OT, 127-126.

[Chris83]

Jeez, who sneaked in and replaced the T'Wolves with a real basketball team during the off-season? They beat Charlotte 121-99 to go 2-0 to start the season.

[Bigbeer]

Man, the Wolves are absolutely destroying Washington.

[Beauner]

4-1 record and they won by 22 without Big KAT

[Beauner]

Rubio torched the Wolves tonight. 16pts 14 assists.
At least Teague is gone after the season.

[frozen4champs]

[frozen4champs]

[Beauner]

Thank God Teague is gone. Holy crap he's terrible.

[davescharf]

For those of us who care very little about the local pro hardwood team, why does this trade give us?

[Maize]

For those of us who care very little about the local pro hardwood team, why does this trade give us?

They got rid of two guys that weren't going to be on the team next season and picked up an outside shooter whose contract is expiring, and a free roster space to sign a G-League guy or have some flexibility to make another trade. It's not a game-changer. Basically this season is over and they're starting tryouts for next year's team.

[MATT]

Damn, Kobe Bryant died this morning in a helicopter crash. (Reported by TMZ)

[frozen4champs]

Damn, Kobe Bryant died this morning in a helicopter crash. (Reported by TMZ)

[Don Adams Wheel of Justice]

Wow........just wow.

[Beauner]

Apparently his 13 year old daughter was on board as well.

[Beauner]

[JWG]

That's awful... feel for his family and daughter's mom

[frozen4champs]

Today's tragic event is an example of the power of the social media. While some outlets used caution, and used facts, others reported things haphazardly and now have egg on their faces. It's hard to believe, but TMZ is now a pretty reliable source when it comes to breaking news.

[bearpaw28]

The show opening remarks Skip Bayless gave regarding hearing about the death of Kobe Bryant yesterday was gripping. Skip was in Miami & his wife Ernestine was home in LA. He called her 1st thing that morning & she commented on how foggy it was in LA. Later she called him back in tears, unable to speak for a moment, then she finally choked out...”Kobe died“. Then Skip talked about the emotions he felt upon hearing the news. Very gripping. BTW...what Shannon shared in his opening remarks was gripping too, shared the detail of a text string between Shannon & Kobe from Dec, 27, 2019. Powerful #Kobe RIP

[Beauner]

[Karlsson]

Truly a historic franchise.

[Bertogliat]

Truly a historic franchise.

Yet people still watch them. And some pay money.

[ScoobyDoo]

Those tickets on the floor cost a lot of money. Course if you're just an NBA fan in general it'd probably be worth it. I've gotten to the point where I don't love any one sport enough that I can just watch it without some sort of rooting interest. And I've never been much of a gambler so that doesn't work for me either.

[Slap Shot]

Woof!

[davescharf]

Truly a historic franchise.

Yet people still watch them. And some pay money.

Yep - I'm in for 3 tickets in April. They have ways of getting you...in this case it's because my daughter is singing the national anthem before the game.

[Bertogliat]

Truly a historic franchise.

Yet people still watch them. And some pay money.

Yep - I'm in for 3 tickets in April. They have ways of getting you...in this case it's because my daughter is singing the national anthem before the game.

Just drop her off and tell her to walk over to Ike’s when she’s done.

[Chris83]

As I've been saying for years, the key word for this franchise is...RELOCATE! Please move. Take Target Center, do a refit and convert it to a "hockey friendly" configuration. Then multiple sectional playoff games can be held there each year. I'm only being somewhat facetious.

[Bertogliat]

Truly a historic franchise.

Yet people still watch them. And some pay money.

Yep - I'm in for 3 tickets in April. They have ways of getting you...in this case it's because my daughter is singing the national anthem before the game.

Did you have to pay for those tickets?

I know a family who's kid stuck the flag at center ice for the Wild this year and the Wild gave the family 4 club tickets. I always assumed pro franchises did this for people who perform/participate in the events.

[Chris83]

So, the passing of those in the helicopter crash Sunday in Calabasas, CA was noted during the opening prayer of the Senate impeachment hearing yesterday? Would this have been invoked had Kobe Bryant and his daughter NOT been involved? Sincerely, not trying to be a jerk; this was a horror story for everyone personally involved. We'll see ongoing tributes by the NBA, the Lakers and even the state of California; but the U.S. Senate during the impeachment hearings? Again, not trying to be provocative or an a-hole. Just seems a case of "celebrity status" getting out of control.

[davescharf]

Truly a historic franchise.

Yet people still watch them. And some pay money.

Yep - I'm in for 3 tickets in April. They have ways of getting you...in this case it's because my daughter is singing the national anthem before the game.

Did you have to pay for those tickets?

I know a family who's kid stuck the flag at center ice for the Wild this year and the Wild gave the family 4 club tickets. I always assumed pro franchises did this for people who perform/participate in the events.

We did have to pay for anyone who wanted to go - including her

My guess is they don’t want to give out 300 tickets. When the school sings at Twins games I know we have to buy those as well but they are really cheap

[Bertogliat]

So, the passing of those in the helicopter crash Sunday in Calabasas, CA was noted during the opening prayer of the Senate impeachment hearing yesterday? Would this have been invoked had Kobe Bryant and his daughter NOT been involved? Sincerely, not trying to be a jerk; this was a horror story for everyone personally involved. We'll see ongoing tributes by the NBA, the Lakers and even the state of California; but the U.S. Senate during the impeachment hearings? Again, not trying to be provocative or an a-hole. Just seems a case of "celebrity status" getting out of control.

I'll keep names out to avoid a political discussion, But I saw some replies to a tweet from a prominent political figure and some people were very outraged that the world didn't stop. "How can you be tweeting when were all mourning Kobe?"

It is possible to be sad someone died AND continue on with life.

[frozen4champs]

I see people want the NBA to have Kobe replace Jerry West as the logo of the NBA. Everyone needs to take a step back. What will happen when Jordan passes? Or Russell, Bird, Johnson, LeBron, etc. No doubt Kobe is a hall of famer, and needs to be mourned and celebrated as an all time great.

[Beauner]

I see people want the NBA to have Kobe replace Jerry West as the logo of the NBA. Everyone needs to take a step back. What will happen when Jordan passes? Or Russell, Bird, Johnson, LeBron, etc. No doubt Kobe is a hall of famer, and needs to be mourned and celebrated as an all time great.

They've been talking about changing the logo for a while now. The Kobe tragedy is just one of those moments where it would be a good way to memorialize him. My first thought was MJ too but I could see the NBA using Kobe after this.