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Post by gopher6 » Tue Jul 06 3:15 pm

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Re: Wild 2021-22 season

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Re: Wild 2021-22 season

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Kelly Red wrote:
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Let’s learn to post under the right sub-heading!!
As in "General/Other Sports" perhaps? :)
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Re: Wild 2021-22 season

Post by Kelly Red » Tue Jul 06 9:11 pm

D2D wrote:
Tue Jul 06 9:08 pm
Kelly Red wrote:
Tue Jul 06 8:53 pm
gopher6 wrote:
Tue Jul 06 3:15 pm
Lets get this started
Let’s learn to post under the right sub-heading!!
As in "General/Other Sports" perhaps? :)
Ding ding ding. We have a winner :dup:
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Re: Wild 2021-22 season

Post by Greyeagle » Tue Jul 06 9:29 pm

That is the most moderating I've had to do in a long time! :lol:
I've moved to the correct location.
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Re: Wild 2021-22 season

Post by streakygopher » Wed Jul 07 10:03 pm

Greyeagle wrote:
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That is the most moderating I've had to do in a long time! :lol:
I've moved to the correct location.
Carry on...
If you miss it, you could always bring back the news thread. :)

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Re: Wild 2020-2021 Season

Post by gopher6 » Fri Jul 09 12:51 pm

Common Man said today there is a for sale sign on Parise’s home in Edina

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Re: Wild 2020-2021 Season

Post by frozen4champs » Fri Jul 09 1:01 pm

gopher6 wrote:
Fri Jul 09 12:51 pm
Common Man said today there is a for sale sign on Parise’s home in Edina
1. It is the common man. Not exactly Walter Cronkite
2. People move all the time. Maybe he is moving to a place on a golf course in the burbs.
3. I am somewhat surprised that you are posting in the 20-21 thread since you started a 21-22 thread :wink:

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Re: Wild 2020-2021 Season

Post by gopher6 » Fri Jul 09 1:18 pm

frozen4champs wrote:
Fri Jul 09 1:01 pm
gopher6 wrote:
Fri Jul 09 12:51 pm
Common Man said today there is a for sale sign on Parise’s home in Edina
1. It is the common man. Not exactly Walter Cronkite
2. People move all the time. Maybe he is moving to a place on a golf course in the burbs.
3. I am somewhat surprised that you are posting in the 20-21 thread since you started a 21-22 thread :wink:
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Re: Wild 2020-2021 Season

Post by Slap Shot » Fri Jul 09 2:31 pm

It may be nothing but a for sale sign is at at least slightly intriguing
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Re: Wild 2020-2021 Season

Post by Bertogliat » Fri Jul 09 3:14 pm

Slap Shot wrote:
Fri Jul 09 2:31 pm
It may be nothing but a for sale sign is at at least slightly intriguing
He is from MN so I wouldn’t expect him to pick up and leave even, if he signs a new contract. Especially so if he retires. I also would not expect it to be business related to put it up for sale while he is still under contract with the Wild.

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Re: Wild 2020-2021 Season

Post by Slap Shot » Fri Jul 09 3:16 pm

Bertogliat wrote:
Fri Jul 09 3:14 pm
Slap Shot wrote:
Fri Jul 09 2:31 pm
It may be nothing but a for sale sign is at at least slightly intriguing
He is from MN so I wouldn’t expect him to pick up and leave even, if he signs a new contract. Especially so if he retires. I also would not expect it to be business related to put it up for sale while he is still under contract with the Wild.
Being from MN is a good argument, but he might know of a move we don't. It may all be nothing but I think it's a talker is all I'm saying.
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Re: MN Wild 2021-22 season

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Re: Wild 2020-2021 Season

Post by Don Adams Wheel of Justice » Fri Jul 09 4:06 pm

Slap Shot wrote:
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It may be nothing but a for sale sign is at at least slightly intriguing
Well, it is a great time to buy or refinance :D .

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Re: MN Wild 2021-22 season

Post by mnpuckguy » Fri Jul 09 5:36 pm

I thought Parise lived on Lake Minnetonka!

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Re: MN Wild 2021-22 season

Post by team22tank » Sat Jul 10 9:14 am

mnpuckguy wrote:
Fri Jul 09 5:36 pm
I thought Parise lived on Lake Minnetonka!
Wasn't one of his homes on the market a year ago as well? Who knows maybe its the same one?

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Post by F Da Sue » Sat Jul 10 12:38 pm

I thought he had a house in Orono on the lake and one in Edina.

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Re: MN Wild 2021-22 season

Post by gopher6 » Tue Jul 13 10:56 am

Paul Allen just announced Parise and Suter are being bought out and released from the Wild

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Re: MN Wild 2021-22 season

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From the article:
The Wild will pay each $6.7 million over the next eight years and be charged with $2.371 million, $6.371 million and $7.371 million cap hits in the next four years, respectively, for each, then $833,333 cap hits the four years after that for each.
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Re: MN Wild 2021-22 season

Post by fightclub30 » Tue Jul 13 10:58 am

gopher6 wrote:
Tue Jul 13 10:56 am
Paul Allen just announced Parise and Suter are being bought out and released from the Wild
:shock: :shock:

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Re: MN Wild 2021-22 season

Post by Master_Shake » Tue Jul 13 11:04 am

Wow do they still have to protect them for the expansion draft?

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Post by fightclub30 » Tue Jul 13 11:13 am

Master_Shake wrote:
Tue Jul 13 11:04 am
Wow do they still have to protect them for the expansion draft?
You don't need to protect players that aren't on your roster...

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Post by Orion » Tue Jul 13 11:13 am

Master_Shake wrote:
Tue Jul 13 11:04 am
Wow do they still have to protect them for the expansion draft?
I may be wrong, but I don't think they have to protect them now. They are essentially no longer on the team.

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Re: MN Wild 2021-22 season

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fightclub30 wrote:
Tue Jul 13 11:13 am
Master_Shake wrote:
Tue Jul 13 11:04 am
Wow do they still have to protect them for the expansion draft?
You don't need to protect players that aren't on your roster...
Didn't know if there were certain rules in place if you buy out a player with no movement clauses.

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Post by bearpaw28 » Tue Jul 13 11:26 am

Shows Guerin has some brass balls (buying out both, especially Suter). He has a plan for the future that doesn't include the stars from the past (10 years) ☝️Hopefully also means Wild is clearing salary cap 💰to make a trade for a top level center…we’ll see.

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Post by team22tank » Tue Jul 13 11:48 am

bearpaw28 wrote:
Tue Jul 13 11:26 am
Shows Guerin has some brass balls (buying out both, especially Suter). He has a plan for the future that doesn't include the stars from the past (10 years) ☝️Hopefully also means Wild is clearing salary cap 💰to make a trade for a top level center…we’ll see.
I would assume there is a plan to ship these buyouts to another team. No way you would just buyout both to have them sit on the books.

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Post by Greyeagle » Tue Jul 13 11:50 am

What happens to the cap hit if (Parise)/when(Suter) are signed by another team? Would this have a positive impact for the wild?
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Post by gopherhockeyfan7 » Tue Jul 13 11:53 am

Greyeagle wrote:
Tue Jul 13 11:50 am
What happens to the cap hit if (Parise)/when(Suter) are signed by another team? Would this have a positive impact for the wild?
Nothing. We're locked in now.
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Post by team22tank » Tue Jul 13 11:57 am

Greyeagle wrote:
Tue Jul 13 11:50 am
What happens to the cap hit if (Parise)/when(Suter) are signed by another team? Would this have a positive impact for the wild?
Here is what it looks like against the Cap.

The Wild will pay each $6.7 million over the next eight years and be charged with $2.371 million, $6.371 million, $7.371 million and $7.371 million cap hits in the next four years, respectively, for each, then $833,333 cap hits the four years after that for each.


Pretty sure you can trade a buyout. So for example trade to another team and send them a draft pick for their troubles. Especially to a team that has lots of cap space.

I would have to think something like that is in the works.

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Re: MN Wild 2021-22 season

Post by team22tank » Tue Jul 13 12:00 pm

In regards to the expansion draft top exposed players appear to be Soucy and Kappo/Talbot.

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Re: MN Wild 2021-22 season

Post by Greyeagle » Tue Jul 13 12:06 pm

team22tank wrote:
Tue Jul 13 11:57 am
Here is what it looks like against the Cap.

The Wild will pay each $6.7 million over the next eight years and be charged with $2.371 million, $6.371 million, $7.371 million and $7.371 million cap hits in the next four years, respectively, for each, then $833,333 cap hits the four years after that for each.


Pretty sure you can trade a buyout. So for example trade to another team and send them a draft pick for their troubles. Especially to a team that has lots of cap space.

I would have to think something like that is in the works.
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Post by JC65 » Tue Jul 13 12:50 pm

Biggest step forward for the Wild since they signed a couple big named free agents some time back.

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Re: MN Wild 2021-22 season

Post by J22 » Tue Jul 13 12:55 pm

bearpaw28 wrote:
Tue Jul 13 11:26 am
Shows Guerin has some brass balls (buying out both, especially Suter). He has a plan for the future that doesn't include the stars from the past (10 years) ☝️Hopefully also means Wild is clearing salary cap 💰to make a trade for a top level center…we’ll see.
This does nothing to clear cap space

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Re: MN Wild 2021-22 season

Post by J22 » Tue Jul 13 12:56 pm

team22tank wrote:
Tue Jul 13 11:48 am
bearpaw28 wrote:
Tue Jul 13 11:26 am
Shows Guerin has some brass balls (buying out both, especially Suter). He has a plan for the future that doesn't include the stars from the past (10 years) ☝️Hopefully also means Wild is clearing salary cap 💰to make a trade for a top level center…we’ll see.
I would assume there is a plan to ship these buyouts to another team. No way you would just buyout both to have them sit on the books.
You can't trade the buyout cap

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Re: MN Wild 2021-22 season

Post by Jupiter » Tue Jul 13 12:59 pm

J22 wrote:
Tue Jul 13 12:55 pm
bearpaw28 wrote:
Tue Jul 13 11:26 am
Shows Guerin has some brass balls (buying out both, especially Suter). He has a plan for the future that doesn't include the stars from the past (10 years) ☝️Hopefully also means Wild is clearing salary cap 💰to make a trade for a top level center…we’ll see.
This does nothing to clear cap space
Ummmmm.....


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Re: MN Wild 2021-22 season

Post by frozen4champs » Tue Jul 13 1:05 pm

It will be interesting when (if) any behind the scenes details come out about this. I wonder if BG asked Parise to waive his no movement clause for the expansion draft and he said no, and this speed up the process. I am frankly shocked that they bought out Suter, especially since he is really good friends with the owner. I wonder if he said "if you buyout Parise, then buy me out too". I thought Suter still had value to the team, but maybe there were behind the scenes/locker room issues. As they say.. Stay tuned.

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Re: MN Wild 2021-22 season

Post by Snowcool08 » Tue Jul 13 1:17 pm

frozen4champs wrote:
Tue Jul 13 1:05 pm
It will be interesting when (if) any behind the scenes details come out about this. I wonder if BG asked Parise to waive his no movement clause for the expansion draft and he said no, and this speed up the process. I am frankly shocked that they bought out Suter, especially since he is really good friends with the owner. I wonder if he said "if you buyout Parise, then buy me out too". I thought Suter still had value to the team, but maybe there were behind the scenes/locker room issues. As they say.. Stay tuned.
Russo was on with PA and he said neither was asked to waive their no move clause. I’m sure that’s correct since Russo is so far up Parises arse.

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Re: MN Wild 2021-22 season

Post by Shooter » Tue Jul 13 1:38 pm

You can’t trade a bought out contract, so that fantasy can be put to rest.
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Re: MN Wild 2021-22 season

Post by davescharf » Tue Jul 13 1:38 pm

I think Bill has been planning this for awhile. He’s been jettisoning the old core since he arrived and this is one of the final steps. They aren’t the future and now any albatross they have is his own doing

I hope both guys will play the remaining four years because as long as that happens the team will be much better off in the long term. I hope Suter and Parise both do well wherever they land.
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Re: MN Wild 2021-22 season

Post by Zwak » Tue Jul 13 1:45 pm

Jupiter wrote:
Tue Jul 13 12:59 pm
J22 wrote:
Tue Jul 13 12:55 pm
bearpaw28 wrote:
Tue Jul 13 11:26 am
Shows Guerin has some brass balls (buying out both, especially Suter). He has a plan for the future that doesn't include the stars from the past (10 years) ☝️Hopefully also means Wild is clearing salary cap 💰to make a trade for a top level center…we’ll see.
This does nothing to clear cap space
Ummmmm.....

I know this data is accurate but I will never understand salary caps. They only have 4 years left on their contracts but the buyout affects them for 8 years.
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Re: MN Wild 2021-22 season

Post by gopher6 » Tue Jul 13 1:49 pm

J22 wrote:
Tue Jul 13 12:55 pm
bearpaw28 wrote:
Tue Jul 13 11:26 am
Shows Guerin has some brass balls (buying out both, especially Suter). He has a plan for the future that doesn't include the stars from the past (10 years) ☝️Hopefully also means Wild is clearing salary cap 💰to make a trade for a top level center…we’ll see.
This does nothing to clear cap space
Guerin said he had been thinking of these buy outs for the last 6-8 months

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Re: MN Wild 2021-22 season

Post by Vegoe » Tue Jul 13 1:52 pm

Jupiter wrote:
Tue Jul 13 12:59 pm
J22 wrote:
Tue Jul 13 12:55 pm
This does nothing to clear cap space
Ummmmm.....

They have some cap issues after next year, but they were going to have a hard time getting a roster together for 21-22 without making some kind of move. I'm sure other franchises were throwing anchors instead of lifejackets at the Wild as they tried to figure out a way to resign Kaprizov, Fiala, Cole and a center. They only had $15.9M before the buyouts to make that happen with only 16 players under contract. It feels like Kaprizov and Fiala might eat up that space by themselves.

I'm kind of wondering if the Wild protect Soucy instead of Dumba at this point because of the cap issues. It almost feels like a blue line of:

Brodin-Spurgeon
Cole and FA signing David Savard, Jamie Oleksiak or Derek Forbort
Soucy/Menell/Addison

If Dumba was the Kraken pick, then it frees up money to spend on Phillip Danault, Paul Stasny Derek Stepan or make a trade. Or they could trade Dumba to Philly for Nolan Patrick or Morgan Frost...
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Re: MN Wild 2021-22 season

Post by Bertogliat » Tue Jul 13 2:00 pm

Zwak wrote:
Tue Jul 13 1:45 pm
Jupiter wrote:
Tue Jul 13 12:59 pm
J22 wrote:
Tue Jul 13 12:55 pm
bearpaw28 wrote:
Tue Jul 13 11:26 am
Shows Guerin has some brass balls (buying out both, especially Suter). He has a plan for the future that doesn't include the stars from the past (10 years) ☝️Hopefully also means Wild is clearing salary cap 💰to make a trade for a top level center…we’ll see.
This does nothing to clear cap space
Ummmmm.....

I know this data is accurate but I will never understand salary caps. They only have 4 years left on their contracts but the buyout affects them for 8 years.
It sounds better than it is. The $12-14M cap hit the next three years is ouchie because they are getting no play for that money.

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Re: MN Wild 2021-22 season

Post by team22tank » Tue Jul 13 2:00 pm

Vegoe wrote:
Tue Jul 13 1:52 pm
Jupiter wrote:
Tue Jul 13 12:59 pm
J22 wrote:
Tue Jul 13 12:55 pm
This does nothing to clear cap space
Ummmmm.....

They have some cap issues after next year, but they were going to have a hard time getting a roster together for 21-22 without making some kind of move. I'm sure other franchises were throwing anchors instead of lifejackets at the Wild as they tried to figure out a way to resign Kaprizov, Fiala, Cole and a center. They only had $15.9M before the buyouts to make that happen with only 16 players under contract. It feels like Kaprizov and Fiala might eat up that space by themselves.

I'm kind of wondering if the Wild protect Soucy instead of Dumba at this point because of the cap issues. It almost feels like a blue line of:

Brodin-Spurgeon
Cole and FA signing David Savard, Jamie Oleksiak or Derek Forbort
Soucy/Menell/Addison

If Dumba was the Kraken pick, then it frees up money to spend on Phillip Danault, Paul Stasny Derek Stepan, Ryan Nugent-Hopkins or make a trade.
I don’t think the Wild would just let Dumba go to free up cap. You could trade him for draft picks or prospects and free up cap.

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Post by Beauner » Tue Jul 13 3:47 pm

If they were to trade Dumba, what is a realistic return for package built around him?
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Post by team22tank » Tue Jul 13 4:03 pm

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If they were to trade Dumba, what is a realistic return for package built around him?
Not a top Center that is for sure.

Unless he was one piece of a larger package. But still wouldn’t make much sense for the trading team.

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I think Bill has been planning this for awhile. He’s been jettisoning the old core since he arrived and this is one of the final steps. They aren’t the future and now any albatross they have is his own doing

I hope both guys will play the remaining four years because as long as that happens the team will be much better off in the long term. I hope Suter and Parise both do well wherever they land.
Just so it's clear. Whether or not Parise or Suter play anywhere the next 4 years, it has no impact on the Wild. Once the Wild bought them out, that is it. Done. Bait has been cut. We are locked on. Nothing from this can be traded, moved, erased, etc. The buyout is done. If they retire it stays them same. If they play 6 more years it stays the same. If they are traded 4 times, it stays the same. So the retirement cap-recapture penalty isn't a thing anymore. The Wild are finishing out the contract by buying it out. It is done.

I hope they continue to play as well, it just has no impact on the Wild really. Unless of course Suter goes to COL and scores a GWG against us or something, then it might have some impact, haha.

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Post by team22tank » Tue Jul 13 6:23 pm

The last GM was so handcuffed by the Coach in Charge that he couldn’t fire Darby flipping Hendrickson.

New GM was able to buyout Parise/Suter in the same day.

Lmao.

I hope Guerin knows what he is doing. I understand the Parise buyout but both will be interesting. Suter is still a serviceable defensemen. I have to think there was a more creative way to manage him than stacking buyouts.

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Post by davescharf » Tue Jul 13 6:38 pm

fightclub30 wrote:
Tue Jul 13 4:36 pm
davescharf wrote:
Tue Jul 13 1:38 pm
I think Bill has been planning this for awhile. He’s been jettisoning the old core since he arrived and this is one of the final steps. They aren’t the future and now any albatross they have is his own doing

I hope both guys will play the remaining four years because as long as that happens the team will be much better off in the long term. I hope Suter and Parise both do well wherever they land.
Just so it's clear. Whether or not Parise or Suter play anywhere the next 4 years, it has no impact on the Wild. Once the Wild bought them out, that is it. Done. Bait has been cut. We are locked on. Nothing from this can be traded, moved, erased, etc. The buyout is done. If they retire it stays them same. If they play 6 more years it stays the same. If they are traded 4 times, it stays the same. So the retirement cap-recapture penalty isn't a thing anymore. The Wild are finishing out the contract by buying it out. It is done.

I hope they continue to play as well, it just has no impact on the Wild really. Unless of course Suter goes to COL and scores a GWG against us or something, then it might have some impact, haha.
Yeah - I didn’t state that well. If they play well for the next four years then we don’t have to likely worry about the cap recapture stuff because of retirement.

I also just want them to continue to be able to contribute elsewhere
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Post by streakygopher » Tue Jul 13 9:58 pm

Parise was prominently benched for several games during the playoffs, and these two confederates were reportedly behind undermining a former coach. That stink doesn't go away.

Getting rid of both of them on the same day has an air of dramatic irony to it. They came in together as the faces of a new franchise and hope for the future. They came here to win a Stanley Cup. They leave having accomplished almost nothing, serving only as a bitter reminder that the franchise miscalculated their ultimate value.

Parise has a short shelf life, and Suter lacks any of the game-changing play one might expect from such a highly paid player. Each for their own reason, they really aren't a good fit here anymore.

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Post by Bertogliat » Wed Jul 14 6:31 am

Sounds like this was in the plans for many months and Billy had no talks with either player to remove no trade clause or to make any alternate agreements.

Parise saw the writing on the wall. Suter, not surprisingly, was blindsided.

I am a little surprised the Wild didn’t try something with the players first. This will hurt the team. I’d really like to hear Guerin’s rationale on the Suter buyout. To pay the guy that much money to NOT play while he still clearly has value doesn’t make any sense to me.

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Post by Vegoe » Wed Jul 14 9:44 am

https://talknorth.com/russosouhan/

Latest podcast talks a little bit about how even though Suter was neutered in his influence with owner/gm/coach, he still loomed in the room as a presence. Good clean break for the new guys to move forward. You just got the sense that Suter/Parise were too cool for school with their comments in all the wrong, old school ways. It can be funny to call Vanek Selke and JEE Mr. September... but do things like that really help build a team?

Russo is adamant that Dumba is going to be on the protected list, but to me it makes so much more sense to protect Soucy--especially with their new cap situation. I'd be amazed if the Wild are able to extend Dumba when his contract runs out. So do you want to get something for him now or let him walk for nothing, especially when you know you're losing someone in expansion?

Dream scenario for me is that they find a way to move Rask to Seattle, Dumba to Phily, get back Patrick or Frost and give a 1st round pick to Seattle. Seattle will need to get to the salary floor somehow, they can't roster all 30 players they'll get in expansion and who knows how good this draft will be scouted because of the pandemic. Maybe there can be some retained salary in there someway to make it work... but then they can go out and sign a bigger defenseman who can replace Suter like Savard, Oleksiak or Forbort. I think the playoffs showed that you have to have defensemen who can handle the non-call officiating that will always be there.

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Post by Slap Shot » Wed Jul 14 10:02 am

imho neither Parise nor Suter offered any type of leadership and might have even been detrimental to the overall psyche in the locker room. I admit that is pure speculation.

This is addition by subtraction? When you consider Parise barely sniffed playoff time and Suter offers next to another against his contract? I trust that Guerin didn't make these moves without having a plan and I'll let that play out before assuming this will result in a negative net result.
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Post by frozen4champs » Wed Jul 14 10:27 am

A great addendum to the Worst seats podcast from yesterday. Suter hung up on BG after he told him. Russo thinks Suter will end up in Colorado, or another team in the central to stay close to home and stick it to the Wild. Thinks Parise could end up in Vegas or NYI. It will be interesting how BG navigates this off season now. As Vegs said, I would love to see Rask moved to Seattle with a pick, if that saves Soucy. They threw out a lot of free agent defensemen names out there, and will be interested to see who they end up with. I'm actually excited to see where this team ends up. I'm tired of being mediocre.

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imho neither Parise nor Suter offered any type of leadership and might have even been detrimental to the overall psyche in the locker room. I admit that is pure speculation.

This is addition by subtraction? When you consider Parise barely sniffed playoff time and Parise offers next to another against his contract? I trust that Guerin didn't make these moves without having a plan and I'll let that play out before assuming this will result in a negative net result.
Boudreau was on NHL network last night pretty much saying the two caused locker room drama. Could be sour grapes, but this sort of opinion seems to come from a lot of places. :confused2:

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Wed Jul 14 10:48 am
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Wed Jul 14 10:02 am
imho neither Parise nor Suter offered any type of leadership and might have even been detrimental to the overall psyche in the locker room. I admit that is pure speculation.

This is addition by subtraction? When you consider Parise barely sniffed playoff time and Parise offers next to another against his contract? I trust that Guerin didn't make these moves without having a plan and I'll let that play out before assuming this will result in a negative net result.
Boudreau was on NHL network last night pretty much saying the two caused locker room drama. Could be sour grapes, but this sort of opinion seems to come from a lot of places. :confused2:
I know that Jim Souhan is hated as much as Reusse is around here, but he has some of the "issues" in his latest column.

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They threw out a lot of free agent defensemen names out there, and will be interested to see who they end up with. I'm actually excited to see where this team ends up. I'm tired of being mediocre.
I feel like they were just running down the list. I think they need guys who in that $3M-$5M range who have the size to handle a hard forecheck, take a hit and start the breakout from a pressured puck retrival. They don't need any of the fancy move the puck up the ice guys or the do it all UFAs like Dougie Hamilton... of course they can't afford those guys either.

The Athletic put out their top 50 UFAs with dollar amounts they think will be handed out--they're usually pretty close to hitting those on the nose. Feels like they'll need a center and two defensemen from this list or acquired by trade...

https://theathletic.com/2705164/2021/07 ... able-ufas/

9. Phillip Danault - Projected contract: $5.8 million x 4.4 years
25. Paul Stastny - Projected contract: $3.9 million x 2.6 years
29. Nick Bonino - Projected contract: $2.9 million x 2.5 years

15. Alec Martinez - Projected contract: $5.4 million x 3.8 years
17. Jamie Oleksiak - Projected contract: $4.0 million x 4.4 years
18. Jake McCabe - Projected contract: $1.7 million x 1.8 years
37. Adam Larsson - Projected contract: $3.4 million x 3.8 years
45. Ian Cole - Projected contract: $2.2 milion x 2.2 years
48. David Savard - Projected contract: $2.8 million x 2.5 years

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Wed Jul 14 10:52 am
I know that Jim Souhan is hated as much as Reusse is around here, but he has some of the "issues" in his latest column.
From the column:
In their first few years with the Wild, Parise was known for asking for the team to practice in Minneapolis, closer to his home, which drove the coaching staff crazy, and Suter was known for lobbying Leipold, a move that would backfire in any company.
If accurate.....what a pair of Divas.
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Post by YoungEagle » Wed Jul 14 1:56 pm

Greyeagle wrote:
Wed Jul 14 1:31 pm
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Wed Jul 14 10:52 am
I know that Jim Souhan is hated as much as Reusse is around here, but he has some of the "issues" in his latest column.
From the column:
In their first few years with the Wild, Parise was known for asking for the team to practice in Minneapolis, closer to his home, which drove the coaching staff crazy, and Suter was known for lobbying Leipold, a move that would backfire in any company.
If accurate.....what a pair of Divas.
Agreed (if accurate). Good riddance. I’m sure Zach was Mr. Positive when playing with a reduced role last season.
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Post by JWG » Wed Jul 14 2:00 pm

I really hope that's not true about either but especially Parise. I'd hate to think people so critical to a culture would behave that way as it feels like it puts them above even winning a cup. You can't blame BG if true. And frankly, I don't blame him for doing this even if not.

Parise and Suter elevated the club to a team of interest and a playoff contender. It's just clear they're not going to get us the rest of the way.
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JWG wrote:
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I really hope that's not true about either but especially Parise. I'd hate to think people so critical to a culture would behave that way as it feels like it puts them above even winning a cup. You can't blame BG if true. And frankly, I don't blame him for doing this even if not.

Parise and Suter elevated the club to a team of interest and a playoff contender. It's just clear they're not going to get us the rest of the way.
They got 9 years out of both. Worked out great from a ticket selling standpoint. There’s a certain symmetry to them exiting together. The culture in the locker room was undoubtedly a factor with both facing declining roles & reduced ice time, Parise rather abruptly but Suter on that path too. Both will latch on to other teams & I’d have no problem if either comes close to or raises a Cup.

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Post by Vegoe » Wed Jul 14 2:55 pm

Greyeagle wrote:
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If accurate.....what a pair of Divas.
I've heard the same stuff as accurate -- they were promised the Tria Practice Rink sooner than it was delivered... but... not a good look.

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Parise chose UND - he was always a dick.
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Snowcool08 wrote:
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Russo was on with PA and he said neither was asked to waive their no move clause. I’m sure that’s correct since Russo is so far up Parises arse.
Why wouldn't they have at least been asked? That doesn't make much sense to me.

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Kelor wrote:
Wed Jul 14 6:35 pm
Snowcool08 wrote:
Tue Jul 13 1:17 pm
frozen4champs wrote:
Tue Jul 13 1:05 pm
Russo was on with PA and he said neither was asked to waive their no move clause. I’m sure that’s correct since Russo is so far up Parises arse.
Why wouldn't they have at least been asked? That doesn't make much sense to me.
From a long term planning standpoint, (regarding cap hits going forward, amount & timing) Wild mgmt determined buying them out was cleaner than trying to trade them & then having to worry about when either retires, & associated cap recapture, (Suter might last 4 more years but Parise most likely (his body) won’t hold up 4 more years. They’d decided to move forward without them. plain & simple, right or wrong.

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Post by davescharf » Sun Jul 18 10:50 am

I don’t listen to a lot of podcasts anymore since my work commute ended but I’ve been loving Russo’s podcast while cutting the grass. I really like that BG comes on and is willing to shed a lot of insight into how he thinks about the GM role
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Post by Orion » Sun Jul 18 12:05 pm

So who is actually exposed? Some like Kaprisov are not eligible and are protected as well. I don't follow that close to know all the rules of the draft.

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Bigger names are Rask. Soucy, Kappo, and Bjugstad.

I suspect unless there’s a deal we will lose Soucy
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Word on the street…is that Paul Allen called Suter and asked him if he wanted to come on the radio to vent last week and Suter replied “eff off”. If true…lol…what an entitled Richard…that’s why they cut him…at its core" ☝️😆

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bearpaw28 wrote:
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Word on the street…is that Paul Allen called Suter and asked him if he wanted to come on the radio to vent last week and Suter replied “eff off”. If true…lol…what an entitled Richard…that’s why they cut him…at its core" ☝️😆
I’m not a big fan of Sutter but I see his comment differently then you. I have much less respect for athletes or anyone who publicly whine about a situation. If Allen asked him if he wanted to “vent” on live radio, what good comes of that for Sutter? He comes off looking classless and to quote you, entitled. He pumps up Allen, not himself. Telling Allen to eff off was honestly the adult response, not going on the air and bitching about a past team. That doesn’t look good for any future playing potential. Allen was the one trying to use the situation, Sutter shut him down. Maybe a bit bluntly, but I have a feeling Allen tried to take advantage.
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Kelly Red wrote:
Sun Jul 18 12:39 pm
bearpaw28 wrote:
Sun Jul 18 12:26 pm
Word on the street…is that Paul Allen called Suter and asked him if he wanted to come on the radio to vent last week and Suter replied “eff off”. If true…lol…what an entitled Richard…that’s why they cut him…at its core" ☝️😆
I’m not a big fan of Sutter but I see his comment differently then you. I have much less respect for athletes or anyone who publicly whine about a situation. If Allen asked him if he wanted to “vent” on live radio, what good comes of that for Sutter? He comes off looking classless and to quote you, entitled. He pumps up Allen, not himself. Telling Allen to eff off was honestly the adult response, not going on the air and bitching about a past team. That doesn’t look good for any future playing potential. Allen was the one trying to use the situation, Sutter shut him down. Maybe a bit bluntly, but I have a feeling Allen tried to take advantage.
That’s another valid perspective…but relative to a franchise & related fan base that’s already paid him $88 mil and now is buying him out for 6.67 mil…going on the radio and venting in a positive fashion…that yeah, it sucks being bought out, but I enjoyed my time with the Wild & am looking forward to chasing a Cup elsewhere…would have been another way of handling it. In the end, he will be just fine…better to leave with a little grace (when given the opportunity by PA).

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