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Re: Wild 2020-2021 Season

Post by J22 » Wed May 05 4:17 pm

Bertogliat wrote:
Wed May 05 3:56 pm
J22 wrote:
Wed May 05 3:31 pm
bearpaw28 wrote:
Wed May 05 1:15 pm
Bertogliat wrote:
Wed May 05 12:52 pm
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Wed May 05 11:15 am
I honestly can't find a scenario that they get past Colorado, unless Talbot flat out steals games. Colorado's forwards are just a superb combination of skill, speed and strength. In my view, the Wild's undersized D don't match up well.

The above analysis is glaring in that Parise is a mere afterthought and characterized as a former starting pitcher who will get only a few outs each game. Oof, that's a lotsa motsa for a few outs a game.
True, but just think how that contract, along with Suter, transformed the Wild from an expansion franchise struggling to win to a play off contender able to sign free agents who want to play here. Without that Parise/Suter deal, the Wild might still be the NHL version of the Timberwolves.

We knew at the time that the back end of this contract would be painful, but it was a necessary evil, and I don't get angry thinking of the proportion of cap space spent on Zach.

Only 4 more years to go.... :mrgreen:

The last 3 seasons, the Wild will only pay Zach $1-2M per year, but the cap hit will remain at $7.5M/year. It'll be interesting what happens with Zach when the salary drops from $6M to $2M and he's not scoring on the 4th line.
When his salary drops to $1-2 mil per year, Zach will likely retire & the Wild will get hit with a $10 mil cap hit for a couple years...that’s how I see it.
There's no chance of that happening
Please expand on this.
Option A- Parise retires. Parise gets zero salary, the Wild are hit with a $6M cap penalty, and Parise becomes public enemy #1 to the Wild fan base. Parise also kisses goodbye any future after hockey with the Wild.

Option B - Parise goes on LTIR. Parise gets all of his remaining salary ($10M total as of right now), the Wild clear $7.5M of cap space, and Parise is the hero with the fan base.

Everyone loses with option A and everyone wins with option B.

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Re: Wild 2020-2021 Season

Post by Bertogliat » Wed May 05 6:06 pm

J22 wrote:
Wed May 05 4:17 pm
Bertogliat wrote:
Wed May 05 3:56 pm
J22 wrote:
Wed May 05 3:31 pm
bearpaw28 wrote:
Wed May 05 1:15 pm
Bertogliat wrote:
Wed May 05 12:52 pm
streakygopher wrote:
Wed May 05 11:15 am
I honestly can't find a scenario that they get past Colorado, unless Talbot flat out steals games. Colorado's forwards are just a superb combination of skill, speed and strength. In my view, the Wild's undersized D don't match up well.

The above analysis is glaring in that Parise is a mere afterthought and characterized as a former starting pitcher who will get only a few outs each game. Oof, that's a lotsa motsa for a few outs a game.
True, but just think how that contract, along with Suter, transformed the Wild from an expansion franchise struggling to win to a play off contender able to sign free agents who want to play here. Without that Parise/Suter deal, the Wild might still be the NHL version of the Timberwolves.

We knew at the time that the back end of this contract would be painful, but it was a necessary evil, and I don't get angry thinking of the proportion of cap space spent on Zach.

Only 4 more years to go.... :mrgreen:

The last 3 seasons, the Wild will only pay Zach $1-2M per year, but the cap hit will remain at $7.5M/year. It'll be interesting what happens with Zach when the salary drops from $6M to $2M and he's not scoring on the 4th line.
When his salary drops to $1-2 mil per year, Zach will likely retire & the Wild will get hit with a $10 mil cap hit for a couple years...that’s how I see it.
There's no chance of that happening
Please expand on this.
Option A- Parise retires. Parise gets zero salary, the Wild are hit with a $6M cap penalty, and Parise becomes public enemy #1 to the Wild fan base. Parise also kisses goodbye any future after hockey with the Wild.

Option B - Parise goes on LTIR. Parise gets all of his remaining salary ($10M total as of right now), the Wild clear $7.5M of cap space, and Parise is the hero with the fan base.

Everyone loses with option A and everyone wins with option B.
The Wild wouldn’t be on the hook for $7.5M salary cap hit each of the next 4 years with Option B?

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Re: Wild 2020-2021 Season

Post by J22 » Wed May 05 7:21 pm

Bertogliat wrote:
Wed May 05 6:06 pm
J22 wrote:
Wed May 05 4:17 pm
Bertogliat wrote:
Wed May 05 3:56 pm
J22 wrote:
Wed May 05 3:31 pm
bearpaw28 wrote:
Wed May 05 1:15 pm
Bertogliat wrote:
Wed May 05 12:52 pm
streakygopher wrote:
Wed May 05 11:15 am
I honestly can't find a scenario that they get past Colorado, unless Talbot flat out steals games. Colorado's forwards are just a superb combination of skill, speed and strength. In my view, the Wild's undersized D don't match up well.

The above analysis is glaring in that Parise is a mere afterthought and characterized as a former starting pitcher who will get only a few outs each game. Oof, that's a lotsa motsa for a few outs a game.
True, but just think how that contract, along with Suter, transformed the Wild from an expansion franchise struggling to win to a play off contender able to sign free agents who want to play here. Without that Parise/Suter deal, the Wild might still be the NHL version of the Timberwolves.

We knew at the time that the back end of this contract would be painful, but it was a necessary evil, and I don't get angry thinking of the proportion of cap space spent on Zach.

Only 4 more years to go.... :mrgreen:

The last 3 seasons, the Wild will only pay Zach $1-2M per year, but the cap hit will remain at $7.5M/year. It'll be interesting what happens with Zach when the salary drops from $6M to $2M and he's not scoring on the 4th line.
When his salary drops to $1-2 mil per year, Zach will likely retire & the Wild will get hit with a $10 mil cap hit for a couple years...that’s how I see it.
There's no chance of that happening
Please expand on this.
Option A- Parise retires. Parise gets zero salary, the Wild are hit with a $6M cap penalty, and Parise becomes public enemy #1 to the Wild fan base. Parise also kisses goodbye any future after hockey with the Wild.

Option B - Parise goes on LTIR. Parise gets all of his remaining salary ($10M total as of right now), the Wild clear $7.5M of cap space, and Parise is the hero with the fan base.

Everyone loses with option A and everyone wins with option B.
The Wild wouldn’t be on the hook for $7.5M salary cap hit each of the next 4 years with Option B?
Nope. It's a little more complicated than saying that his entire salary comes off the books, but that's basically what happens with LTIR

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Re: Wild 2020-2021 Season

Post by YoungEagle » Wed May 05 8:19 pm

Would he waive his no trade clause for a fresh start with Seattle? Might take a decently high draft pick to ensure they take him. Would that be worth it if it would work?
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Post by Buzzkill Bonin » Wed May 05 8:27 pm

But why would Seattle want to make that deal
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Re: Wild 2020-2021 Season

Post by streakygopher » Wed May 05 8:45 pm

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But why would Seattle want to make that deal
They wouldn't. They'd rather raid the closets of every team in the league like Vegas did.

Every time I see them play this grates on me.

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Re: Wild 2020-2021 Season

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streakygopher wrote:
Wed May 05 8:45 pm
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But why would Seattle want to make that deal
They wouldn't. They'd rather raid the closets of every team in the league like Vegas did.

Every time I see them play this grates on me.
Regardless of Seattle, every team in the league could probably find a better player as a free agent for 925K coming out of college at 22/23.
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Re: Wild 2020-2021 Season

Post by Buzzkill Bonin » Wed May 05 9:23 pm

I'll never stop being sick of "Krill the Thrill!"
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Post by Buzzkill Bonin » Wed May 05 9:29 pm

But he is the King of MN sports already and it's not close
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Re: Wild 2020-2021 Season

Post by Bigbeer » Wed May 05 9:31 pm

I don’t wanna jump the gun but I think this Kaprisov kid might be good
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Re: Wild 2020-2021 Season

Post by davescharf » Wed May 05 9:32 pm

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The Wild will have two guys next year that could score 40. That could be scary if they can find a couple more pieces to put around them.
I may have been too pessimistic...one of those guys could possibly score 50 :shock:
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Post by team22tank » Wed May 05 9:35 pm

Man can refs be a silly breed.

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Re: Wild 2020-2021 Season

Post by Karlsson » Wed May 05 9:48 pm

That's my fault. Finally able to turn it on ten seconds before Vegas' GTG.

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Re: Wild 2020-2021 Season

Post by fightclub30 » Wed May 05 10:07 pm

Talbot with a couple big saves to keep the wild in it, and a game saver even after it was tied late.

Golden knights with 19 scoring changes (4 high danger) to Wild's 8 chances (3 high danger).

All situations:
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5v5:
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This is what is concerning, to me anyway, about our chances in the playoffs.

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Re: Wild 2020-2021 Season

Post by streakygopher » Wed May 05 10:14 pm

fightclub30 wrote:
Wed May 05 10:07 pm
Talbot with a couple big saves to keep the wild in it, and a game saver even after it was tied late.

Golden knights with 19 scoring changes (4 high danger) to Wild's 8 chances (3 high danger).

All situations:
Image.

5v5:
Image

This is what is concerning, to me anyway, about our chances in the playoffs.
Talbot kept them in the game tonight while Fleury seemed to be wobbling late. Wild could have been better on the power play tonight.

That call late against the Wild is a case of the refs wanting to influence the game. Just a terrible call, especially late.

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Karlsson wrote:
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That's my fault. Finally able to turn it on ten seconds before Vegas' GTG.
I have had two full Wild games on TV this season. Both were losses to Vegas.
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Re: Wild 2020-2021 Season

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fightclub30 wrote:
Wed May 05 10:07 pm
Talbot with a couple big saves to keep the wild in it, and a game saver even after it was tied late.

Golden knights with 19 scoring changes (4 high danger) to Wild's 8 chances (3 high danger).

All situations:
Image.

5v5:
Image

This is what is concerning, to me anyway, about our chances in the playoffs.
What did the previous game look like?

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Post by bearpaw28 » Thu May 06 12:34 am

KK is simply spectacular as a hockey player! Tremendous battle level & determination combined with exceptional skill.

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bearpaw28 wrote:
Thu May 06 12:34 am
KK is simply spectacular as a hockey player! Tremendous battle level & determination combined with exceptional skill.
What are the odds the Wild will be able to keep him long term?
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Re: Wild 2020-2021 Season

Post by ScoobyDoo » Thu May 06 9:42 am

D2D wrote:
Thu May 06 8:04 am
bearpaw28 wrote:
Thu May 06 12:34 am
KK is simply spectacular as a hockey player! Tremendous battle level & determination combined with exceptional skill.
What are the odds the Wild will be able to keep him long term?
With this owner? 100%. They'll cripple the rest of the roster to keep him if they have to.
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Re: Wild 2020-2021 Season

Post by team22tank » Thu May 06 9:46 am

ScoobyDoo wrote:
Thu May 06 9:42 am
D2D wrote:
Thu May 06 8:04 am
bearpaw28 wrote:
Thu May 06 12:34 am
KK is simply spectacular as a hockey player! Tremendous battle level & determination combined with exceptional skill.
What are the odds the Wild will be able to keep him long term?
With this owner? 100%. They'll cripple the rest of the roster to keep him if they have to.
Only a Village Idiot could find a way to crap on the Kaprizov situation right now.

Nice work.

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Re: Wild 2020-2021 Season

Post by ScoobyDoo » Thu May 06 9:48 am

team22tank wrote:
Thu May 06 9:46 am
ScoobyDoo wrote:
Thu May 06 9:42 am
D2D wrote:
Thu May 06 8:04 am
bearpaw28 wrote:
Thu May 06 12:34 am
KK is simply spectacular as a hockey player! Tremendous battle level & determination combined with exceptional skill.
What are the odds the Wild will be able to keep him long term?
With this owner? 100%. They'll cripple the rest of the roster to keep him if they have to.
Only a Village Idiot could find a way to crap on the Kaprizov situation right now.

Nice work.
I didn't do that. The NHL did that. Just like the NHL crapped on player safety. The Rangers/Caps game last night was the biggest joke in professional sports ever aired on a television.
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Re: Wild 2020-2021 Season

Post by team22tank » Thu May 06 9:48 am

D2D wrote:
Thu May 06 8:04 am
bearpaw28 wrote:
Thu May 06 12:34 am
KK is simply spectacular as a hockey player! Tremendous battle level & determination combined with exceptional skill.
What are the odds the Wild will be able to keep him long term?
He’s a restricted free agent so we are going to find out soon.

If I’m the GM you are shooting for a long term deal versus a 2-3 year deal.

Interesting negotiation because he is a 24 year old rookie and not really much you can draw from on comparable situations.

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Re: Wild 2020-2021 Season

Post by streakygopher » Thu May 06 9:54 am

He would be a crown jewel of any big market team, like the Rangers.

I hope he likes the idea of spending the next 10 years on Minnesota.

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Post by ScoobyDoo » Thu May 06 9:56 am

streakygopher wrote:
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He would be a crown jewel of any big market team, like the Rangers.

I hope he likes the idea of spending the next 10 years on Minnesota.
McDavid is in Edmonton.
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Re: Wild 2020-2021 Season

Post by bearpaw28 » Thu May 06 10:25 am

team22tank wrote:
Thu May 06 9:48 am
D2D wrote:
Thu May 06 8:04 am
bearpaw28 wrote:
Thu May 06 12:34 am
KK is simply spectacular as a hockey player! Tremendous battle level & determination combined with exceptional skill.
What are the odds the Wild will be able to keep him long term?
He’s a restricted free agent so we are going to find out soon.

If I’m the GM you are shooting for a long term deal versus a 2-3 year deal.

Interesting negotiation because he is a 24 year old rookie and not really much you can draw from on comparable situations.
They’ll attempt to get him signed for a least 5 years. Leopold won’t blow this & yes they’ll need to overpay, but all teams do that to keep their superstars & that’s what KK is at age 24. ☝️
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Re: Wild 2020-2021 Season

Post by ScoobyDoo » Thu May 06 10:26 am

bearpaw28 wrote:
Thu May 06 10:25 am
team22tank wrote:
Thu May 06 9:48 am
D2D wrote:
Thu May 06 8:04 am
bearpaw28 wrote:
Thu May 06 12:34 am
KK is simply spectacular as a hockey player! Tremendous battle level & determination combined with exceptional skill.
What are the odds the Wild will be able to keep him long term?
He’s a restricted free agent so we are going to find out soon.

If I’m the GM you are shooting for a long term deal versus a 2-3 year deal.

Interesting negotiation because he is a 24 year old rookie and not really much you can draw from on comparable situations.
They’ll attempt to get him signed for a least 5 years. Leopold won’t blow this & yes they’ll need to overpay, but all teams do that to keep their superstars & that’s exactly what KK is at 24☝️
Nowadays they're not just overpaying for superstars.
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Re: Wild 2020-2021 Season

Post by Border Gopher » Thu May 06 10:27 am

streakygopher wrote:
Thu May 06 9:54 am
He would be a crown jewel of any big market team, like the Rangers.

I hope he likes the idea of spending the next 10 years on Minnesota.
Is the big market/small market thing really that substantial in the NHL? I would think that being competitive in the playoffs would be a much larger factor to a Russian in a league with a hard salary cap that is much smaller than other sports.
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Post by bearpaw28 » Thu May 06 10:28 am

ScoobyDoo wrote:
Thu May 06 10:26 am
bearpaw28 wrote:
Thu May 06 10:25 am
team22tank wrote:
Thu May 06 9:48 am
D2D wrote:
Thu May 06 8:04 am
bearpaw28 wrote:
Thu May 06 12:34 am
KK is simply spectacular as a hockey player! Tremendous battle level & determination combined with exceptional skill.
What are the odds the Wild will be able to keep him long term?
He’s a restricted free agent so we are going to find out soon.

If I’m the GM you are shooting for a long term deal versus a 2-3 year deal.

Interesting negotiation because he is a 24 year old rookie and not really much you can draw from on comparable situations.
They’ll attempt to get him signed for a least 5 years. Leopold won’t blow this & yes they’ll need to overpay, but all teams do that to keep their superstars & that’s exactly what KK is at 24☝️
Nowadays they're not just overpaying for superstars.
You could argue he’s already the most exciting player in the Wilds history, Leopold will PAY to keep this going for a decade, book it! He isn’t a Pohlad or relative of theirs 😉 :biggrin2:

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Re: Wild 2020-2021 Season

Post by ScoobyDoo » Thu May 06 10:36 am

It's just the CAP. The CAP hasn't been going up and with Covid the CAP really isn't going up. Add that to how salaries again went up last offseason despite the pool of money for salaries not going up and what you have is a bunch of teams with have and have not players.

How that affects things overall will be interesting.
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Re: Wild 2020-2021 Season

Post by team22tank » Thu May 06 12:40 pm

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It's just the CAP. The CAP hasn't been going up and with Covid the CAP really isn't going up. Add that to how salaries again went up last offseason despite the pool of money for salaries not going up and what you have is a bunch of teams with have and have not players.

How that affects things overall will be interesting.
What exactly are you shooting for here?

I know you were a guy that thought you build a franchise around Coyle, Nino, Granlund and your over value of Zucker was just embarrassing.

And you were a big Boudreau guy. No one set the organization backwards more than him during his final 1.5 years here.

The Wild have a hodge podge of forwards right now and Fiala and Kaprizov are having zero problems making it work. The odds of prospects like Boldy and Rossi having more value than guys like a Bjugstad and Johansson is as close to a lock as there can be at this point.

The Wild are only going to get better.

They will be doing everything they can to secure Kaprizov/Fiala long term, rightfully so.

Maybe sit this one out.

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Post by bearpaw28 » Thu May 06 12:46 pm

By trading Stahl, not resigning Koivu, healthy scratching Parise after his selfish blunder & putting Parise on the 4th line & having Brodin on the ice when they pull their goalie (rather than Suter) Billy G & Dean E. have made it clear...that veterans will no longer be coddled...like they were under Bruce & his predecessor! This has helped accelerate the development of a new “key” core, led by Spurgeon, Brodin, Dumba, Fiala, Zuch, EE, Foligno & especially KK! Hopefully Boldy & Rossi will add to that core sooner rather than later. And Talbot has been a welcome addition in goal.

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What opinion were you trying to articulate exactly?

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Post by Cowgirl » Fri May 07 8:30 pm

I was listening to the game in the car and wasn’t sure what the dude’s name really was, but it sounded like “kumquat” (it’s actually Comtois).
I didn’t even know what a kumquat looked like so I googled that, after looking up the player’s actual name.

I mean there is a resemblance….;)
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Post by bearpaw28 » Fri May 07 9:41 pm

Kaprizov has an unbelievable nose for the net & is so clutch. Gets a rush in OT, fires a shot, follows his shot & taps in the winner. What a talent 👍

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Post by team22tank » Fri May 07 9:46 pm

bearpaw28 wrote:
Fri May 07 9:41 pm
Kaprizov has an unbelievable nose for the net & is so clutch. Gets a rush in OT, fires a shot, follows his shot & taps in the winner. What a talent 👍
On a side note it has been very refreshing to not have our goalies give up rebounds like that game in and game out and then have folks complain about how the D isn’t tieing up.

Nice work by KK getting to the net.

Erickson Ek on a 30 goal pace.

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Cowgirl wrote:
Fri May 07 8:30 pm
I was listening to the game in the car and wasn’t sure what the dude’s name really was, but it sounded like “kumquat” (it’s actually Comtois).
I didn’t even know what a kumquat looked like so I googled that, after looking up the player’s actual name.

I mean there is a resemblance….;)

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Post by streakygopher » Sat May 08 7:59 am

Most players wouldn't have even thought of trying to make that play in OT, when puck control reigns.

Kaprisov has a deceptive release anyway, but putting the puck between the skates of the defender tied up Gibson just enough to fumble the puck. OT is pretty much man-on-man coverage anyway, so once KK went around the defender the goal was a fait accompli.

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Post by frozen4champs » Sat May 08 12:16 pm

Parise a healthy scratch again tonight. :dup:

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Post by streakygopher » Sat May 08 2:29 pm

frozen4champs wrote:
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Parise a healthy scratch again tonight. :dup:
Holy crap. I don't think he's ever fallen this far.

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Post by Orion » Sat May 08 3:49 pm

So when do the local stores start selling the Parise jerseys at a discount?

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Post by fightclub30 » Sat May 08 5:51 pm

I might be in the minority, per usual, but Id rather have Parise in the lineup than Rask and maybe Johansson too.

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Post by davescharf » Sat May 08 5:51 pm

This isn’t good for the Wild in any way. Suter looks like he’ll be able to hang in a few more years but with Fiala and Kaprizov it will hamper their ability to build
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Post by frozen4champs » Sat May 08 6:14 pm

Unfortunately we all knew this day would come. The sad part is that the Wild could not capitalize on Parise during his prime years. Also, they did not move him in the last couple of years when he still had value to a team that he would want to go to or was willing to pay the price. Now, he has no value, and is more likely to say screw it and retire at some point and the Wild will pay the price by not being able to add valuable pieces to a very good team. I just hope he will keep his disgruntled attitude away from the locker room. Guerin has a tough job on handling this situation for sure.

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Post by team22tank » Sat May 08 6:27 pm

frozen4champs wrote:
Sat May 08 6:14 pm
Unfortunately we all knew this day would come. The sad part is that the Wild could not capitalize on Parise during his prime years. Also, they did not move him in the last couple of years when he still had value to a team that he would want to go to or was willing to pay the price. Now, he has no value, and is more likely to say screw it and retire at some point and the Wild will pay the price by not being able to add valuable pieces to a very good team. I just hope he will keep his disgruntled attitude away from the locker room. Guerin has a tough job on handling this situation for sure.
I don’t understand how people don’t get that Parise is not going to “retire.” He will go on LTIR. There are literally 1 or 2 examples every single off season and they are players with far less significant injuries than what Parise has dealt with.

The Wild have a very strong pipeline of youth to start bringing up over the next couple of years. Parise will not hamper that.

There is no disgruntled attitude. Have you paying attention the last couple of months? To both him as well as the team? Their record is through the roof since he has been playing on the 4th line, I don’t believe there is a problem in the locker room.
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Post by team22tank » Sat May 08 6:28 pm

davescharf wrote:
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This isn’t good for the Wild in any way. Suter looks like he’ll be able to hang in a few more years but with Fiala and Kaprizov it will hamper their ability to build
You might want to check out their pipeline.

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Post by J22 » Sat May 08 6:33 pm

team22tank wrote:
Sat May 08 6:27 pm
frozen4champs wrote:
Sat May 08 6:14 pm
Unfortunately we all knew this day would come. The sad part is that the Wild could not capitalize on Parise during his prime years. Also, they did not move him in the last couple of years when he still had value to a team that he would want to go to or was willing to pay the price. Now, he has no value, and is more likely to say screw it and retire at some point and the Wild will pay the price by not being able to add valuable pieces to a very good team. I just hope he will keep his disgruntled attitude away from the locker room. Guerin has a tough job on handling this situation for sure.
I don’t understand how people don’t get that Parise is not going to “retire.” He will go on LTIR. There are literally 1 or 2 examples every single off season and they are players with far less significant injuries than what Parise has dealt with.

The Wild have a very strong pipeline of youth to start bringing up over the next couple of years. Parise will not hamper that.

There is no disgruntled attitude. Have you paying attention the last couple of months? To both him as well as the team? Their record is through the roof since he has been playing on the 4th line, I don’t believe there is a problem in the locker room.
I agree with everything except the disgruntled attitude. I would be willing to bet that Parise is crying to anyone that will listen. I'm just not sure anyone with the Wild gives a $h!t about his icetime.

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Post by team22tank » Sat May 08 6:45 pm

J22 wrote:
Sat May 08 6:33 pm
team22tank wrote:
Sat May 08 6:27 pm
frozen4champs wrote:
Sat May 08 6:14 pm
Unfortunately we all knew this day would come. The sad part is that the Wild could not capitalize on Parise during his prime years. Also, they did not move him in the last couple of years when he still had value to a team that he would want to go to or was willing to pay the price. Now, he has no value, and is more likely to say screw it and retire at some point and the Wild will pay the price by not being able to add valuable pieces to a very good team. I just hope he will keep his disgruntled attitude away from the locker room. Guerin has a tough job on handling this situation for sure.
I don’t understand how people don’t get that Parise is not going to “retire.” He will go on LTIR. There are literally 1 or 2 examples every single off season and they are players with far less significant injuries than what Parise has dealt with.

The Wild have a very strong pipeline of youth to start bringing up over the next couple of years. Parise will not hamper that.

There is no disgruntled attitude. Have you paying attention the last couple of months? To both him as well as the team? Their record is through the roof since he has been playing on the 4th line, I don’t believe there is a problem in the locker room.
I agree with everything except the disgruntled attitude. I would be willing to bet that Parise is crying to anyone that will listen. I'm just not sure anyone with the Wild gives a $h!t about his icetime.
I haven’t heard anything from him being a pain in the ass and I will let his actions on the ice speak. He was pretty solid the last stretch on the 4th line for almost two months. And then unfortunately for him, had a couple sloppy games with the puck and with everyone healthy the rest is history.

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Post by frozen4champs » Sat May 08 6:48 pm

team22tank wrote:
Sat May 08 6:27 pm
frozen4champs wrote:
Sat May 08 6:14 pm
Unfortunately we all knew this day would come. The sad part is that the Wild could not capitalize on Parise during his prime years. Also, they did not move him in the last couple of years when he still had value to a team that he would want to go to or was willing to pay the price. Now, he has no value, and is more likely to say screw it and retire at some point and the Wild will pay the price by not being able to add valuable pieces to a very good team. I just hope he will keep his disgruntled attitude away from the locker room. Guerin has a tough job on handling this situation for sure.
I don’t understand how people don’t get that Parise is not going to “retire.” He will go on LTIR. There are literally 1 or 2 examples every single off season and they are players with far less significant injuries than what Parise has dealt with.

The Wild have a very strong pipeline of youth to start bringing up over the next couple of years. Parise will not hamper that.

There is no disgruntled attitude. Have you paying attention the last couple of months? To both him as well as the team? Their record is through the roof since he has been playing on the 4th line, I don’t believe there is a problem in the locker room.
I hope they come up with a mystery "injury" and he can go on LTIR, but after the NHL instituted the rule about contracts after they signed him, I won't hold my breath. If it is that easy to do, why didn't the Panthers do that with Luongo?

Have you read some of his comments after he was benched earlier this year? I would have felt better if he would have just taken his medicine. Also, why wasn't he named team captain? If the powers that be thought there was a better option than him. He still had 5 years on his deal when 46 was named captain, so you can't use the contact is almost over excuse. Where there is smoke there is fire. The locker room in the past has been a mess, and as a "captain and leader", you would have thought he either could have stepped in or was part of the problem.

BTW, I do pay attention, but I guess I'm not an expert like some...

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Post by J22 » Sat May 08 6:56 pm

frozen4champs wrote:
Sat May 08 6:48 pm
team22tank wrote:
Sat May 08 6:27 pm
frozen4champs wrote:
Sat May 08 6:14 pm
Unfortunately we all knew this day would come. The sad part is that the Wild could not capitalize on Parise during his prime years. Also, they did not move him in the last couple of years when he still had value to a team that he would want to go to or was willing to pay the price. Now, he has no value, and is more likely to say screw it and retire at some point and the Wild will pay the price by not being able to add valuable pieces to a very good team. I just hope he will keep his disgruntled attitude away from the locker room. Guerin has a tough job on handling this situation for sure.
I don’t understand how people don’t get that Parise is not going to “retire.” He will go on LTIR. There are literally 1 or 2 examples every single off season and they are players with far less significant injuries than what Parise has dealt with.

The Wild have a very strong pipeline of youth to start bringing up over the next couple of years. Parise will not hamper that.

There is no disgruntled attitude. Have you paying attention the last couple of months? To both him as well as the team? Their record is through the roof since he has been playing on the 4th line, I don’t believe there is a problem in the locker room.
I hope they come up with a mystery "injury" and he can go on LTIR, but after the NHL instituted the rule about contracts after they signed him, I won't hold my breath. If it is that easy to do, why didn't the Panthers do that with Luongo?

Have you read some of his comments after he was benched earlier this year? I would have felt better if he would have just taken his medicine. Also, why wasn't he named team captain? If the powers that be thought there was a better option than him. He still had 5 years on his deal when 46 was named captain, so you can't use the contact is almost over excuse. Where there is smoke there is fire. The locker room in the past has been a mess, and as a "captain and leader", you would have thought he either could have stepped in or was part of the problem.

BTW, I do pay attention, but I guess I'm not an expert like some...
LTIR won't be a problem if Parise wants to retire. Florida didn't do it with Luongo because they aren't really affected by the cap recapture, Vancouver is taking the brunt of that.

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Post by Karlsson » Sat May 08 7:00 pm

I'm guessing they'll say it's his back.

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Post by team22tank » Sat May 08 7:02 pm

frozen4champs wrote:
Sat May 08 6:48 pm
team22tank wrote:
Sat May 08 6:27 pm
frozen4champs wrote:
Sat May 08 6:14 pm
Unfortunately we all knew this day would come. The sad part is that the Wild could not capitalize on Parise during his prime years. Also, they did not move him in the last couple of years when he still had value to a team that he would want to go to or was willing to pay the price. Now, he has no value, and is more likely to say screw it and retire at some point and the Wild will pay the price by not being able to add valuable pieces to a very good team. I just hope he will keep his disgruntled attitude away from the locker room. Guerin has a tough job on handling this situation for sure.
I don’t understand how people don’t get that Parise is not going to “retire.” He will go on LTIR. There are literally 1 or 2 examples every single off season and they are players with far less significant injuries than what Parise has dealt with.

The Wild have a very strong pipeline of youth to start bringing up over the next couple of years. Parise will not hamper that.

There is no disgruntled attitude. Have you paying attention the last couple of months? To both him as well as the team? Their record is through the roof since he has been playing on the 4th line, I don’t believe there is a problem in the locker room.
I hope they come up with a mystery "injury" and he can go on LTIR, but after the NHL instituted the rule about contracts after they signed him, I won't hold my breath. If it is that easy to do, why didn't the Panthers do that with Luongo?

Have you read some of his comments after he was benched earlier this year? I would have felt better if he would have just taken his medicine. Also, why wasn't he named team captain? If the powers that be thought there was a better option than him. He still had 5 years on his deal when 46 was named captain, so you can't use the contact is almost over excuse. Where there is smoke there is fire. The locker room in the past has been a mess, and as a "captain and leader", you would have thought he either could have stepped in or was part of the problem.

BTW, I do pay attention, but I guess I'm not an expert like some...
I bet if Parise refused to talk to the media and “take his medicine” the very same people complaining about his comments would have have complained how he was being a sore loser. Actually guarantee it.

As far as LTIR, 17 of 31 teams are currently utilizing it. As far as Parise he had very major back surgery, there doesn’t need to be a mystery injury. Go take a look at some of the examples of guys on it. Start with Brett Seabrook.

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Post by J22 » Sat May 08 7:13 pm

team22tank wrote:
Sat May 08 7:02 pm
frozen4champs wrote:
Sat May 08 6:48 pm
team22tank wrote:
Sat May 08 6:27 pm
frozen4champs wrote:
Sat May 08 6:14 pm
Unfortunately we all knew this day would come. The sad part is that the Wild could not capitalize on Parise during his prime years. Also, they did not move him in the last couple of years when he still had value to a team that he would want to go to or was willing to pay the price. Now, he has no value, and is more likely to say screw it and retire at some point and the Wild will pay the price by not being able to add valuable pieces to a very good team. I just hope he will keep his disgruntled attitude away from the locker room. Guerin has a tough job on handling this situation for sure.
I don’t understand how people don’t get that Parise is not going to “retire.” He will go on LTIR. There are literally 1 or 2 examples every single off season and they are players with far less significant injuries than what Parise has dealt with.

The Wild have a very strong pipeline of youth to start bringing up over the next couple of years. Parise will not hamper that.

There is no disgruntled attitude. Have you paying attention the last couple of months? To both him as well as the team? Their record is through the roof since he has been playing on the 4th line, I don’t believe there is a problem in the locker room.
I hope they come up with a mystery "injury" and he can go on LTIR, but after the NHL instituted the rule about contracts after they signed him, I won't hold my breath. If it is that easy to do, why didn't the Panthers do that with Luongo?

Have you read some of his comments after he was benched earlier this year? I would have felt better if he would have just taken his medicine. Also, why wasn't he named team captain? If the powers that be thought there was a better option than him. He still had 5 years on his deal when 46 was named captain, so you can't use the contact is almost over excuse. Where there is smoke there is fire. The locker room in the past has been a mess, and as a "captain and leader", you would have thought he either could have stepped in or was part of the problem.

BTW, I do pay attention, but I guess I'm not an expert like some...
I bet if Parise refused to talk to the media and “take his medicine” the very same people complaining about his comments would have have complained how he was being a sore loser. Actually guarantee it.

As far as LTIR, 17 of 31 teams are currently utilizing it. As far as Parise he had very major back surgery, there doesn’t need to be a mystery injury. Go take a look at some of the examples of guys on it. Start with Brett Seabrook.
I must've missed the Russo article about Suter not being named captain? If you're going to tell others to pay attention, you don't get to pretend that you don't know that Parise is a major pain in the ass.

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Post by team22tank » Sat May 08 7:25 pm

J22 wrote:
Sat May 08 7:13 pm
team22tank wrote:
Sat May 08 7:02 pm
frozen4champs wrote:
Sat May 08 6:48 pm
team22tank wrote:
Sat May 08 6:27 pm
frozen4champs wrote:
Sat May 08 6:14 pm
Unfortunately we all knew this day would come. The sad part is that the Wild could not capitalize on Parise during his prime years. Also, they did not move him in the last couple of years when he still had value to a team that he would want to go to or was willing to pay the price. Now, he has no value, and is more likely to say screw it and retire at some point and the Wild will pay the price by not being able to add valuable pieces to a very good team. I just hope he will keep his disgruntled attitude away from the locker room. Guerin has a tough job on handling this situation for sure.
I don’t understand how people don’t get that Parise is not going to “retire.” He will go on LTIR. There are literally 1 or 2 examples every single off season and they are players with far less significant injuries than what Parise has dealt with.

The Wild have a very strong pipeline of youth to start bringing up over the next couple of years. Parise will not hamper that.

There is no disgruntled attitude. Have you paying attention the last couple of months? To both him as well as the team? Their record is through the roof since he has been playing on the 4th line, I don’t believe there is a problem in the locker room.
I hope they come up with a mystery "injury" and he can go on LTIR, but after the NHL instituted the rule about contracts after they signed him, I won't hold my breath. If it is that easy to do, why didn't the Panthers do that with Luongo?

Have you read some of his comments after he was benched earlier this year? I would have felt better if he would have just taken his medicine. Also, why wasn't he named team captain? If the powers that be thought there was a better option than him. He still had 5 years on his deal when 46 was named captain, so you can't use the contact is almost over excuse. Where there is smoke there is fire. The locker room in the past has been a mess, and as a "captain and leader", you would have thought he either could have stepped in or was part of the problem.

BTW, I do pay attention, but I guess I'm not an expert like some...
I bet if Parise refused to talk to the media and “take his medicine” the very same people complaining about his comments would have have complained how he was being a sore loser. Actually guarantee it.

As far as LTIR, 17 of 31 teams are currently utilizing it. As far as Parise he had very major back surgery, there doesn’t need to be a mystery injury. Go take a look at some of the examples of guys on it. Start with Brett Seabrook.
I must've missed the Russo article about Suter not being named captain? If you're going to tell others to pay attention, you don't get to pretend that you don't know that Parise is a major pain in the ass.
If Parise is being a pain in the ass this year it isn’t showing. Since getting benched the first time he came back and had his best run of the season on the 4th line, with his minutes down and no special teams.

During that time the team has been red hot. So if he is being a pain in the ass I guess this time around it’s actually benefiting the team?

I know you have never been a Parise guy but that doesn’t mean he is being a pain in the ass right now which was the context of my initial comment which was clear.

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Post by Cowgirl » Sat May 08 9:31 pm

Damn kumquat.

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Re: Wild 2020-2021 Season

Post by fightclub30 » Sat May 08 9:39 pm

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I might be in the minority, per usual, but Id rather have Parise in the lineup than Rask and maybe Johansson too.
Maybe next game I'll pick on someone else, and they can score the GWG... :lol:

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Re: Wild 2020-2021 Season

Post by Greyeagle » Sat May 08 9:40 pm

Seeing the Wild players line up after the game to congratulate Ryan Miller on his tremendous career was nothing short of fantastic.
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Re: Wild 2020-2021 Season

Post by Bladepuller » Sat May 08 9:42 pm

Yes it was.
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Re: Wild 2020-2021 Season

Post by Thirty-Four » Sat May 08 9:52 pm

Greyeagle wrote:
Sat May 08 9:40 pm
Seeing the Wild players line up after the game to congratulate Ryan Miller on his tremendous career was nothing short of fantastic.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/nhl.nbc ... dding/amp/

Miller’s retirement makes me think of this moment, that as a Blues fan, finally can be forgiven.
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Re: Wild 2020-2021 Season

Post by fightclub30 » Sat May 08 9:53 pm

Unless Backes asked to finish in St. Louis, I don't know how/why an organization with nothing to play for and one of the worst records in the league (thanks Buffalo) couldn't squeeze in a veteran to skate one last game in his home state. Makes no sense. What are they going to do, see who is going to fill his spot for next season in some throw away game at the end of the year? I don't get it.

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Re: Wild 2020-2021 Season

Post by Thirty-Four » Sat May 08 9:56 pm

fightclub30 wrote:
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Unless Backes asked to finish in St. Louis, I don't know how/why an organization with nothing to play for and one of the worst records in the league (thanks Buffalo) couldn't squeeze in a veteran to skate one last game in his home state. Makes no sense. What are they going to do, see who is going to fill his spot for next season in some throw away game at the end of the year? I don't get it.
I was surprised too. I think he asked for St. Louis to be his last game, based on his several interviews. A great leader for us and a better dude. 👍

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Post by Cowgirl » Sat May 08 10:25 pm

Greyeagle wrote:
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Seeing the Wild players line up after the game to congratulate Ryan Miller on his tremendous career was nothing short of fantastic.
I still remember him in net for Sparty.

Where did the time go.

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Post by D2D » Sat May 08 10:40 pm

Cowgirl wrote:
Sat May 08 10:25 pm
I still remember him in net for Sparty.

Where did the time go.
That, and his performance in the 2010 Olympics:
"But Miller is perhaps best remembered among American hockey fans for his performance in Vancouver in 2010, when he backstopped Team USA to the silver medal. Miller’s lone loss of the tournament came in the gold-medal game, a heartbreaking overtime loss to Canada. Miller was named MVP of the tournament, making him the only hockey player to win the Hobey Baker and be named best goalie in the NCAA, the AHL, the NHL, and at the Olympic Games. Miller returned to the Games in 2014, playing in one game and allowing one goal in a victory over Slovenia."

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Re: Wild 2020-2021 Season

Post by D2D » Sun May 09 11:08 am

If you didn't get a chance to watch last night's game here are the highlights from the Wild's perspective. In particular, watch and marvel at Kaprisov's deft passing at about 2:00 and 3:30 minutes into the clip. Great vision and deception, plus perfect timing and execution resulting in two highlight reel goals.

https://www.foxsports.com/nhl/minnesota ... highlights
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Re: Wild 2020-2021 Season

Post by streakygopher » Sun May 09 12:09 pm

D2D wrote:
Sun May 09 11:08 am
If you didn't get a chance to watch last night's game here are the highlights from the Wild's perspective. In particular, watch and marvel at Kaprisov's deft passing at about 2:00 and 3:30 minutes into the clip. Great vision and deception, plus perfect timing and execution resulting in two highlight reel goals.

https://www.foxsports.com/nhl/minnesota ... highlights
On both assists he played a veteran goalie like a fiddle. Then again, if I were a goalie, I think I'd be playing a Kaprisov shot every time over a pass.

The word is out on the kid, and he's still producing night in night out.

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Re: Wild 2020-2021 Season

Post by Slap Shot » Mon May 10 10:57 am

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Post by Buzzkill Bonin » Mon May 10 11:51 am

Gophers need to land the next Minnesotan to make that list
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Post by streakygopher » Mon May 10 1:14 pm

Slap Shot wrote:
Mon May 10 10:57 am
I'm guessing he's better than a lot of the players on that list in the defensive and neutral zones as well.

Finances and contracts aside, how many players of any age would you make an even up trade for Kaprisov right now? There can't be that many.

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Re: Wild 2020-2021 Season

Post by fightclub30 » Mon May 10 1:47 pm

streakygopher wrote:
Mon May 10 1:14 pm
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Mon May 10 10:57 am
I'm guessing he's better than a lot of the players on that list in the defensive and neutral zones as well.

Finances and contracts aside, how many players of any age would you make an even up trade for Kaprisov right now? There can't be that many.

Connor McDavid, Auston Matthews, Mikko Rantanen, Alexander Barkov, Nathan MacKinnon, Sebastian Aho, Leon Draisaitl... :lol:

Pretty much any of the elite centers - who won't be leaving their respective teams anytime soon, if at all.

(The laugh is the sarcasm, the list isn't long, but I would for an elite center. But nobody is sending us an elite center for Kaprizov in a "hockey trade".)

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Re: Wild 2020-2021 Season

Post by Vegoe » Mon May 10 1:51 pm

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If Parise is being a pain in the ass this year it isn’t showing. Since getting benched the first time he came back and had his best run of the season on the 4th line, with his minutes down and no special teams.

During that time the team has been red hot. So if he is being a pain in the ass I guess this time around it’s actually benefiting the team?
My assumption is that there has been enough turnover in the locker room so that the attitudes of how Parise/Suter feel about their role/ice time has been reduced. Probably a lot of guys now on the team that are excited to assume more responsibility and care less about the feelings of those guys.

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Re: Wild 2020-2021 Season

Post by Buzzkill Bonin » Mon May 10 11:30 pm

Colorado beats Vegas, and the odds the Wild get Vegas in the first round go way, way up.

Vegas was only able to dress 10F and 5D.
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Re: Wild 2020-2021 Season

Post by Bigbeer » Mon May 10 11:38 pm

If Colorado wins their last 2 against LA they win the division and the Wild get Vegas in the first round
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Re: Wild 2020-2021 Season

Post by Bertogliat » Tue May 11 9:02 am

Slap Shot wrote:
Mon May 10 10:57 am
I don't follow NHL close enough, but isn't this a little misleading since Kaprisov played KHL for a few years before joining the NHL? Just a guess that many on this list were a little younger than KK?

That isn't to say he isn't very, very good. But I can see why we wouldn't assume he is the next Con Smythe winner.

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Re: Wild 2020-2021 Season

Post by streakygopher » Tue May 11 9:11 am

Vegoe wrote:
Mon May 10 1:51 pm
team22tank wrote:
Sat May 08 7:25 pm
If Parise is being a pain in the ass this year it isn’t showing. Since getting benched the first time he came back and had his best run of the season on the 4th line, with his minutes down and no special teams.

During that time the team has been red hot. So if he is being a pain in the ass I guess this time around it’s actually benefiting the team?
My assumption is that there has been enough turnover in the locker room so that the attitudes of how Parise/Suter feel about their role/ice time has been reduced. Probably a lot of guys now on the team that are excited to assume more responsibility and care less about the feelings of those guys.
I would agree with this sentiment. Even if Parise is a locker room distraction, it's like a fourth-line guy complaining about ice time. It's no longer his team, not by a long shot.

Suter by comparison has always seemed like a good soldier and his skill set has not eroded so noticeably. Parise has always made up for his lack of speed by his grit and determination. However, now the gap is just too wide, and it's inconceivable to me that he will ever get back to his own standard of play. (He could have injuries this season, which would explain a lot.)

I have no animus whatsoever regarding Parise, but he has had an interesting hitch with the Wild. He's had both good times and bad, including times when he's overstepped his authority, but he's not the same player he was even a few years ago. There are plenty of veteran NHL players, such as Joe Thorton, who play down the line up as their careers come to a halt. They still contribute, and every now and then you see a flash of what made that player so special. Fans are seeing less and less of that from Parise.

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