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Re: Wild 2020-2021 Season

Post by Bertogliat » Sat Apr 24 10:16 pm

This game is taking a poopy turn.

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Re: Wild 2020-2021 Season

Post by Cowgirl » Sat Apr 24 10:17 pm

Maybe we should go back to posting in the mlb thread.

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Re: Wild 2020-2021 Season

Post by D2D » Sat Apr 24 10:42 pm

Cowgirl wrote:
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Maybe we should go back to posting in the mlb thread.
Ouch. :wink:

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Re: Wild 2020-2021 Season

Post by SkiUMahLaw » Sat Apr 24 10:48 pm

Now we can slump with some games to spare and go into the playoffs ready to win, instead of slumping in the first round of the playoffs!

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Re: Wild 2020-2021 Season

Post by Cowgirl » Sat Apr 24 11:10 pm

D2D wrote:
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Maybe we should go back to posting in the mlb thread.
Ouch. :wink:
I meant that as a good thing because we were up 4-0 at the time! :mrgreen:

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Re: Wild 2020-2021 Season

Post by Bertogliat » Sun Apr 25 8:23 am

Watching the Becoming Wild with Kirill Kaprisov and see that he played in the KHL with Cade Fairchild and Ryan Stoa. Interesting.

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Post by frozen4champs » Tue Apr 27 5:52 pm

What an emotional story.

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Post by team22tank » Wed Apr 28 7:28 pm

Moving on from Nino, Granlund, Zucker and Coyle was very good for this organization.

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Post by Greyeagle » Wed Apr 28 8:07 pm

Probably stop taking penalties, eh?
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Re: Wild 2020-2021 Season

Post by Greyeagle » Wed Apr 28 8:35 pm

Kaboom goes this game....
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Post by JWG » Wed Apr 28 8:35 pm

Well that escalated quickly.
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Post by Chris83 » Wed Apr 28 8:41 pm

What an incredible collection of chokers. Just phenomenal. Save the fan base any further grief and just start Summer golfing now.
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Chris83 wrote:
Wed Apr 28 8:41 pm
What an incredible collection of chokers. Just phenomenal. Save the fan base any further grief and just start Summer golfing now.
Our "Advanced Stats" are a little alarming. We have the highest PDO in the league (Sv% + Sh%) meaning we are probably at an unsustainable pace and due for a regression to the mean. Or the middle, where the Wild always are.

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Re: Wild 2020-2021 Season

Post by Bertogliat » Wed Apr 28 9:48 pm

fightclub30 wrote:
Wed Apr 28 9:19 pm
Chris83 wrote:
Wed Apr 28 8:41 pm
What an incredible collection of chokers. Just phenomenal. Save the fan base any further grief and just start Summer golfing now.
Our "Advanced Stats" are a little alarming. We have the highest PDO in the league (Sv% + Sh%) meaning we are probably at an unsustainable pace and due for a regression to the mean. Or the middle, where the Wild always are.
So which is it? The mean or the middle?

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Post by Cowgirl » Wed Apr 28 10:03 pm

I had to google that one. I could find no real answer for what the letters PDO themselves actually stand for. (One article said it was also the name of the inventor but didn’t give a name?) another said it means nothing. That’s helpful.

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Cowgirl wrote:
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I had to google that one. I could find no real answer for what the letters PDO themselves actually stand for. (One article said it was also the name of the inventor but didn’t give a name?) another said it means nothing. That’s helpful.
Not sure what PDO stands for either. It is a team's save percentage plus shooting percentage. So league average will always be 100. If 8.8% shots are going in, then 91.2% are being saved.

The Wild actually dropped to 6th highest SV% with 92.55%. We have the 2nd highest Shooting Percentage at 10.46%. So our PDO is 1.030 (.9255+.1046).
2nd place is Washington at 1.024, then a 9 teams bunched up between 1.019 and 1.011.

The teams with the worst PDO are the worst teams, Philly, Buffalo, Ottawa, SJ... They aren't scoring and aren't getting saves.

It isn't saying much though. Good teams score goals and get saves and will have a PDO over 100. Bad teams will be below. But when the Wild are in first place for it with our lineup, is somewhat concerning. We don't have Tampa Bay or Edmonton elite scorers.

I mean there are positive things, we are giving up the 2nd fewest High Danger chances against, but are 19th in High Danger Chances for... Despite that, we are still 6th in High Danger Chances % for at 54.29%. So on average we are getting 54% of the High Danger chances in each game. Colorado leads the league in that at 57.59%

Our High Danger Shooting Percentage is 4th at 20.42%. So we are capitalizing on the chances we are getting even though we aren't generating as many.

We have the lowest Corsi For % and 3rd lowest Fenwick For %. Which are just stats for Total Number of attempted shots (shots that miss, the net, hit the post, etc.) One even includes blocked shots. This is showing how much we are getting out attempted, out shot.

EDIT: PDO is a little more useful in evaluating individual players than teams as a whole. If a teams shooting percentage or save percentage is significantly higher or lower than normal while on that player is on the ice can tell you something.

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Re: Wild 2020-2021 Season

Post by streakygopher » Wed Apr 28 11:50 pm

Blues deserved the win tonight. They won most of the physical battles in the third period and had more resolve than Minnesota.

They got a little lucky with a bumbling puck that got away from Brodin on the GWG, but that was the result of their unrelenting pressure. Dumba with a mistake that cost them. Didn't think Fiala was even that noticeable tonight, but fun to see Foligno-Ek-Greenway tearing it up.

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Post by Slap Shot » Thu Apr 29 12:22 am

Chris83 wrote:
Wed Apr 28 8:41 pm
What an incredible collection of chokers. Just phenomenal. Save the fan base any further grief and just start Summer golfing now.
The Wild had won 7 straight and STL desperately needs wins to get into the playoffs. I don't like them giving this one away either but yeesh. :mrgreen:
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Re: Wild 2020-2021 Season

Post by streakygopher » Thu Apr 29 8:17 am

Chris83 wrote:
Wed Apr 28 8:41 pm
What an incredible collection of chokers. Just phenomenal. Save the fan base any further grief and just start Summer golfing now.
I have no delusions about the Wild making a big run, but games like last night happen. Brodin makes that play all the time, but the puck didn't settle down and bounced the Blues' way.

I thought the whole team sagged in the third. You could just feel it. Foligno, Ek and Greenway were terrific last night, but that's about all they had going.

They've been taking care of the teams they should to get themselves into the playoffs again, but is anybody giddy about the team surviving Colorado? Vegas? Um, no.

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Re: Wild 2020-2021 Season

Post by Chris83 » Thu Apr 29 8:18 am

I saw a number of comments online that "Playoff hockey began last night". With the third period collapse, I'm guessing the Wild feel that way as well. :lol:
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Re: Wild 2020-2021 Season

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Post by streakygopher » Thu Apr 29 8:39 am

Chris83 wrote:
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I saw a number of comments online that "Playoff hockey began last night". With the third period collapse, I'm guessing the Wild feel that way as well. :lol:
Well, I did express that I have no delusions about their upcoming playoff performance. :D

When the playoffs come around the good teams have another gear. I don't see the Blues being a threat, though.

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Re: Wild 2020-2021 Season

Post by Vegoe » Thu Apr 29 9:18 am

It was one period of hockey.

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Vegoe wrote:
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It was one period of hockey.
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Post by streakygopher » Thu Apr 29 11:30 am

Vegoe wrote:
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It was one period of hockey.
That's what I meant when I said the Blues took that game from the Wild and earned the win.

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Post by fightclub30 » Thu Apr 29 8:15 pm

So the Bally Sports App is not workign with Chromecast to cast to my Vizio or Samsung TVs. Anyone else having this problem? I hit cast to TV, select the TV and it just goes to a blank screen (both on the TV and my phone)...

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Post by JWG » Thu Apr 29 8:24 pm

Another rough night.
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Re: Wild 2020-2021 Season

Post by fightclub30 » Thu Apr 29 8:29 pm

We better pray we face Vegas in the playoffs.

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Re: Wild 2020-2021 Season

Post by J22 » Thu Apr 29 8:34 pm

One team is desperate to make the playoffs the other team has nothing to play for.

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Re: Wild 2020-2021 Season

Post by Greyeagle » Thu Apr 29 9:35 pm

Wild tie it with just over a buck left in the third & force OT.
Great comeback in the third!
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Post by Chris83 » Thu Apr 29 9:37 pm

Greyeagle wrote:
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Wild tie it with just over a buck left in the third & force OT.
Great comeback in the third!
I withdraw last night's anger fueled hyperbole :lol:
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Post by ScoobyDoo » Thu Apr 29 9:42 pm

And then the breakaway by St. Louis in OT and he buries it.
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Re: Wild 2020-2021 Season

Post by Greyeagle » Thu Apr 29 9:42 pm

Chris83 wrote:
Thu Apr 29 9:37 pm
Greyeagle wrote:
Thu Apr 29 9:35 pm
Wild tie it with just over a buck left in the third & force OT.
Great comeback in the third!
I withdraw last night's anger fueled hyperbole :lol:
Lost in OT after controlling most of it. Rats.
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Post by Karlsson » Thu Apr 29 9:44 pm

Yep. Officially tired of O'Reilly

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Post by bearpaw28 » Thu Apr 29 9:46 pm

To me coming back from 0-3, KK tying it, getting a point is what mattered after last night. Sucks they weren’t able to finish it in OT

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Post by Bigbeer » Thu Apr 29 9:52 pm

We’re gonna expose Dumba in the expansion draft right?
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Post by J22 » Thu Apr 29 9:56 pm

Bigbeer wrote:
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We’re gonna expose Dumba in the expansion draft right?
Guerin might be just that stupid

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Post by D2D » Thu Apr 29 10:33 pm

bearpaw28 wrote:
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Sucks they weren’t able to finish it in OT
I think the team needs to be more patient when they have the puck in OT. Sometimes they're too anxious to pull the trigger on what is a low percentage scoring opportunity (medium range but opposing goaltender has a clear view). On the plus side the Wild did a great job on faceoffs and winning puck battles, giving them puck possession most of the time...until the defensive lapse that gave O'Reilly the breakaway.
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Post by fightclub30 » Sat May 01 8:42 pm

Bally Sports App, not functioning at all. Viewing on phone is just a blank screen. Casting to TV hasn't worked since Bally App roll out.

I hate this sh+t!!! I'm just going to illegally stream the rest of the way. I've tried to be legit, but you make it so F'n difficult.

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Re: Wild 2020-2021 Season

Post by Bigbeer » Sat May 01 9:35 pm

fightclub30 wrote:
Sat May 01 8:42 pm
Bally Sports App, not functioning at all. Viewing on phone is just a blank screen. Casting to TV hasn't worked since Bally App roll out.

I hate this sh+t!!! I'm just going to illegally stream the rest of the way. I've tried to be legit, but you make it so F'n difficult.
I have been doing that the whole season (YTTV). Kinda like watching on my laptop and having the TV for something else.
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Post by bearpaw28 » Sat May 01 9:38 pm

FIALA☝️ OT winner! One hell of a comeback 👍

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fightclub30 wrote:
Sat May 01 8:42 pm
Bally Sports App, not functioning at all. Viewing on phone is just a blank screen. Casting to TV hasn't worked since Bally App roll out.

I hate this sh+t!!! I'm just going to illegally stream the rest of the way. I've tried to be legit, but you make it so F'n difficult.
They totally ruined it. The FS North App worked fine. Why they didn’t just change the logos and colour scheme and keep the same layout is completely beyond me. I couldn’t get it to work at my cabin last night... meanwhile Disney plus worked perfectly for over an hour.
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Re: Wild 2020-2021 Season

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I couldn’t get it to work at my cabin last night....
@Greyeagle, it appears that you will not be mailing a check on / or before May 15th to the county
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Re: Wild 2020-2021 Season

Post by Greyeagle » Mon May 03 1:35 pm

Bladepuller wrote:
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I couldn’t get it to work at my cabin last night....
@Greyeagle, it appears that you will not be mailing a check on / or before May 15th to the county
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It is good to hear @YoungEagle is responsible for the property taxes at his cabin!
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Post by Greyeagle » Mon May 03 9:44 pm

Those pesky two goal leads.
In good way.... :)
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Post by Greyeagle » Mon May 03 9:46 pm

:shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :dup:
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Post by team22tank » Mon May 03 9:51 pm

Fiala for Granlund was highway robbery.

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Post by Chris83 » Mon May 03 9:53 pm

I was fuming (yet again) that the game was not available locally on NBCSN and suddenly the feed appeared just as the Wild took the 6-5 lead. Good timing. They then switched to the studio, where I heard there's a good chance these two teams will meet in the first round of the playoffs. There is? I would say "possibility", not "good chance".
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Post by Karlsson » Mon May 03 9:53 pm

Just own the Knights. Comical at this point.

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Post by Chris83 » Mon May 03 9:55 pm

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Those pesky two goal leads.
In good way.... :)
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Post by Bladepuller » Mon May 03 9:56 pm

The stellar work 97 did BEFORE he scored the tying goal on that shift was text book grinding work on supporting the puck.
If no 97 is this a .500 team?
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Post by davescharf » Mon May 03 10:13 pm

The Wild will have two guys next year that could score 40. That could be scary if they can find a couple more pieces to put around them.
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Post by streakygopher » Mon May 03 10:40 pm

The Wild looked a little sloppy in their own end through two periods. Who knew when the score was 5-3 late that Talbot's stop on Tuch and later on the penalty kill with 3 minutes left would make the difference?

The Wild had a game go against them like this recently (was it St. Louis?). Tonight they flipped the script. Sometimes you get the bear and sometimes the bear gets you. For whatever reason they match up well with Vegas. It's the power forwards of Colorado that gives them fits.

I like that this team keeps playing. A strong game by Bonino and Fiala tonight, and of course it was Kaprisov again who knows how to finish. The Brodin seeing eye puck was pretty lucky, but it counts. :)

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Post by Slap Shot » Tue May 04 1:00 am

Didn't they lose about week back and at the time if you read the reaction here it seemed like they were the worst team in the league. Upon checking they're 8-1-1 over their last 10.

btw - the Wild only have 1 player (KK) in the top 30 in scoring but the team is 10th for total GF. Speaks to their depth? (FYI they're 10th best for total GA).

Has Bjugstad been injured? For some of the heat he gets the dude has 15 points in 39 games and is a +7 which would be 30 points in an 82 game season. Not bad for I believe a 3rd or 4th liner?
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Post by Karlsson » Tue May 04 7:18 am

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Tue May 04 1:00 am

Has Bjugstad been injured? For some of the heat he gets the dude has 15 points in 39 games and is a +7 which would be 30 points in an 82 game season. Not bad for I believe a 3rd or 4th liner?
He was, and when he was ready to come back the team was gelling and playing really well. Had to sit and wait as a scratch a while.

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Tue May 04 1:00 am
Didn't they lose about week back and at the time if you read the reaction here it seemed like they were the worst team in the league. Upon checking they're 8-1-1 over their last 10.

btw - the Wild only have 1 player (KK) in the top 30 in scoring but the team is 10th for total GF. Speaks to their depth? (FYI they're 10th best for total GA).

Has Bjugstad been injured? For some of the heat he gets the dude has 15 points in 39 games and is a +7 which would be 30 points in an 82 game season. Not bad for I believe a 3rd or 4th liner?
The team struggled badly against Colorado, at times not even being competitive. They've also had problems with the Blues, even though they aren't in the same class as CO or Vegas. Hopefully, someone else beats CO in the playoffs, but I wouldn't count on it. I think they could win the Cup.

The Wild has gone on a nice run by beating the teams they should beat - and they've done it without much help from Parise, whose super star status has been a distant memory for some time now. The past few games they have shown some real resolve by playing hard even when down by multiple goals. That's a good sign.

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streakygopher wrote:
Tue May 04 8:42 am
Slap Shot wrote:
Tue May 04 1:00 am
Didn't they lose about week back and at the time if you read the reaction here it seemed like they were the worst team in the league. Upon checking they're 8-1-1 over their last 10.

btw - the Wild only have 1 player (KK) in the top 30 in scoring but the team is 10th for total GF. Speaks to their depth? (FYI they're 10th best for total GA).

Has Bjugstad been injured? For some of the heat he gets the dude has 15 points in 39 games and is a +7 which would be 30 points in an 82 game season. Not bad for I believe a 3rd or 4th liner?
The team struggled badly against Colorado, at times not even being competitive. They've also had problems with the Blues, even though they aren't in the same class as CO or Vegas. Hopefully, someone else beats CO in the playoffs, but I wouldn't count on it. I think they could win the Cup.

The Wild has gone on a nice run by beating the teams they should beat - and they've done it without much help from Parise, whose super star status has been a distant memory for some time now. The past few games they have shown some real resolve by playing hard even when down by multiple goals. That's a good sign.
Yes they struggled against COL (3-5) and vs. STL - for whatever reason some teams have your number. But they have 5 straight wins vs. LV which is neck and neck with COL for 1st in the division. And as I said they're still 8-1-1 their past 10.

Point is the big picture suggests anything can happen and the panic that happened following the loss to STL was over the top. I don't think this team is yet ready for prime time, but if they're not Parise won't be the difference maker either way.

Stay healthy, don't get outshot 35-20 every game, the PP has been improving, get solid play from Talbot and anything can happen.
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Post by streakygopher » Tue May 04 10:00 am

Slap Shot wrote:
Tue May 04 9:49 am
streakygopher wrote:
Tue May 04 8:42 am
Slap Shot wrote:
Tue May 04 1:00 am
Didn't they lose about week back and at the time if you read the reaction here it seemed like they were the worst team in the league. Upon checking they're 8-1-1 over their last 10.

btw - the Wild only have 1 player (KK) in the top 30 in scoring but the team is 10th for total GF. Speaks to their depth? (FYI they're 10th best for total GA).

Has Bjugstad been injured? For some of the heat he gets the dude has 15 points in 39 games and is a +7 which would be 30 points in an 82 game season. Not bad for I believe a 3rd or 4th liner?
The team struggled badly against Colorado, at times not even being competitive. They've also had problems with the Blues, even though they aren't in the same class as CO or Vegas. Hopefully, someone else beats CO in the playoffs, but I wouldn't count on it. I think they could win the Cup.

The Wild has gone on a nice run by beating the teams they should beat - and they've done it without much help from Parise, whose super star status has been a distant memory for some time now. The past few games they have shown some real resolve by playing hard even when down by multiple goals. That's a good sign.
Yes they struggled against COL (3-5) and vs. STL - for whatever reason some teams have your number. But they have 5 straight wins vs. LV which is neck and neck with COL for 1st in the division. And as I said they're still 8-1-1 their past 10.

Point is the big picture suggests anything can happen and the panic that happened following the loss to STL was over the top. I don't think this team is yet ready for prime time, but if they're not Parise won't be the difference maker either way.

Stay healthy, don't get outshot 35-20 every game, the PP has been improving, get solid play from Talbot and anything can happen.
I more concerned about Colorado than the blues by a long shot, but, yes, going 8-1-1 in the past ten is hard to do in the NHL. It's coming at a good time.

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Post by Karlsson » Tue May 04 10:57 am

Two of the three teams logjammed at the top of this division I expected. Figured it would be the Blues instead of the Wild as the third. This is fun.

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Post by Vegoe » Tue May 04 11:17 am

Karlsson wrote:
Tue May 04 7:18 am
Slap Shot wrote:
Tue May 04 1:00 am

Has Bjugstad been injured? For some of the heat he gets the dude has 15 points in 39 games and is a +7 which would be 30 points in an 82 game season. Not bad for I believe a 3rd or 4th liner?
He was, and when he was ready to come back the team was gelling and playing really well. Had to sit and wait as a scratch a while.
I think most media were quiet on what was Bjugstad's injury, but I heard Nanne say on Barrerio that he was recovering from a concussion and makes sense based on when he went out. I know Russo has been pretty good with Guerin on keeping an understanding about what injuries can be reported, but there are no reigns on the godfather of hockey.


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Post by Bertogliat » Tue May 04 1:40 pm

Vegoe wrote:
Tue May 04 11:17 am
Karlsson wrote:
Tue May 04 7:18 am
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Tue May 04 1:00 am

Has Bjugstad been injured? For some of the heat he gets the dude has 15 points in 39 games and is a +7 which would be 30 points in an 82 game season. Not bad for I believe a 3rd or 4th liner?
He was, and when he was ready to come back the team was gelling and playing really well. Had to sit and wait as a scratch a while.
I think most media were quiet on what was Bjugstad's injury, but I heard Nanne say on Barrerio that he was recovering from a concussion and makes sense based on when he went out. I know Russo has been pretty good with Guerin on keeping an understanding about what injuries can be reported, but there are no reigns on the godfather of hockey.

Yeesh. I don't think you could call that a fight. It was more of an assault. Bjugstad pretty much just stood there and took a beating to the face/head. That's about as lop-sided a fight as you will ever see. It would probably be better for Bjugstad if he was just KO'd on the first punch.

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Post by Bertogliat » Tue May 04 1:42 pm

When you take one on the bottom of the chin that makes your helmet fly off...... squish.

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Post by streakygopher » Tue May 04 2:35 pm

Bertogliat wrote:
Tue May 04 1:40 pm
Vegoe wrote:
Tue May 04 11:17 am
Karlsson wrote:
Tue May 04 7:18 am
Slap Shot wrote:
Tue May 04 1:00 am

Has Bjugstad been injured? For some of the heat he gets the dude has 15 points in 39 games and is a +7 which would be 30 points in an 82 game season. Not bad for I believe a 3rd or 4th liner?
He was, and when he was ready to come back the team was gelling and playing really well. Had to sit and wait as a scratch a while.
I think most media were quiet on what was Bjugstad's injury, but I heard Nanne say on Barrerio that he was recovering from a concussion and makes sense based on when he went out. I know Russo has been pretty good with Guerin on keeping an understanding about what injuries can be reported, but there are no reigns on the godfather of hockey.

Yeesh. I don't think you could call that a fight. It was more of an assault. Bjugstad pretty much just stood there and took a beating to the face/head. That's about as lop-sided a fight as you will ever see. It would probably be better for Bjugstad if he was just KO'd on the first punch.
Bjugstad is tall and lanky, but he is not strong in the upper body. He definitely is not a fighter.

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Post by Bertogliat » Tue May 04 3:54 pm

Huge reach advantage that he didn't take advantage of. Either get closer to the fist or further away.

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The Wild are 11-2-2 vs Las Vegas all time

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Very lengthy article and I can't say I agree with all of it, but it's worth sharing: https://zonecoverage.com/2021/wild/sett ... n-a-tweak/

Setting Up Lines For the Playoffs Will Require More Than a Tweak
The Minnesota Wild are at a crossroads. After nearly losing three straight to the St. Louis Blues last week, they must come to terms with the realization that what got them to the postseason is just not good enough to win once they get there. They’ve been good this year. Expectations before the season had them fourth in the West Division and perhaps challenging for the third spot. The rankings in the West, though, have always been clearly delineated. It was the Colorado Avalanche and Vegas Golden Knights in the top tier, then the Blues and the Wild down one rung, followed by every other team.

Minnesota’s performance this year hasn’t changed that. If we were conducting a performance appraisal of the Wild like it was a yearly review, they’d be firmly in the “Meets Expectations” category. Not bad. Worthy of a small increase — in the form of raised expectations next year — but not exactly deserving of a promotion to the next tier.

To officially achieve that, the Wild must shock the NHL with an upset or two in the playoffs. Again, they have been good to get to this point. To get an upset, though, they’ll need an overhaul. For those following 10K Rinks the last few weeks, it’s pretty evident how frustrating the current state of the team, and thus the lack of any changes by the coaching staff, has been.

The Wild have the goaltending to compete in the postseason and a defense that goes six deep. This year, the Wild have two game-breaking talents in Kevin Fiala and Kirill Kaprizov, with and scoring depth in the form of Joel Eriksson Ek, Marcus Foligno, and even Nico Sturm. Team depth is strong, but it’s not infallible. There isn’t a center on the team past Eriksson Ek that could slide into another playoff team’s top six. Nick Bonino, Nick Bjugstads, Victor Rask, and Sturm top out as third- or fourth-line centers.

With this conundrum down the middle, how should the Wild construct the nightly roster to optimize the scoring wingers while providing strength on defense against other top lines?

It’s no secret that Joel Eriksson Ek deserves to be the No. 1 center on this team. Whether he is a true No. 1 center for the Wild in the future is another question, but his case to be exactly that on this current roster is open and shut. While he’s on the ice, the team controls 62% of the goals scored, has 59.38% expected goals for, and 52% of the shots for. No other center on the team comes close to that in all three categories. Bjugstad has done well in those categories but has been primarily used as a winger this season.

After Eriksson Ek, it gets interesting. Wild head coach Dean Evason has placed Ryan Hartman or Rask in this spot. Depending on who’s writing the story, the second line is debatable. But by my criteria, whichever line has either of the team’s top-scoring wingers — Kaprizov or Fiala — is considered in the top two lines. By that logic, Hartman, who is playing out of position, is centering one of the top two lines. The other is manned by Rask, who has played better than most could have expected this season, but he’s clearly not a play-driving force.

If we put Hartman back on the wing where he belongs and begin to move Rask down the lineup card, this leaves Bjugstad, Bonino, and Sturm to work with. As much as Bjugstad has been utilized as a winger in the bottom six this season, perhaps he can be given a chance centering the second line. The former Blaine Bengal has scoring ability, size, and relatively good numbers this season.

Bjugstad beats out Sturm for the second line only because Sturm is tailor-made for the third line. His speed, tenacity, and depth scoring cannot be overlooked. He can center a line all by himself, and the numbers rival Eriksson Ek’s on the team. Sturm can slot into the role the Wild think Eriksson Ek should play, and there’d be little drop off.

For the fourth line center, Bonino and Rask can battle it out. Their defensive numbers are nearly identical. Rask and Bonino give up about the same amount of shots per hour, while expected goals for Rask (1.93) are right in line with Bonino’s (1.94). However, when all is said and done, Bonino does have an ability to create more offense than Rask — despite Rask having Kaprizov on his line much of the year. We’ll give Bonino the nod as a fourth-line center.

Minnesota has been reluctant to combine Kaprizov and Fiala on the same line in an exercise to find balanced scoring. We’ll do the same, even if loading up the top line is something they should consider in the future. Here, Kaprizov will fill in on the wing next to Eriksson Ek on the top line. The Wild rookie deserves to be in a spot where he doesn’t have to be the only play-driver on his line. He gets the nod over Fiala because Fiala’s xGF is higher than the Calder Trophy favorite’s, which means Fiala doesn’t need JEE’s play to still be effective.

Opposite of Kaprizov will be Jordan Greenway, who has been stout defensively and is strong on the walls. He’s also shown that he’s got the hands to make some good passes and create scoring chances for his linemates. According to Natural Stat Trick, Greenway leads the team in primary assists with 13 while also leading the team in total assists at 5-on-5.

We’re going to place Fiala next to Bjugstad. His dynamism will help open things up for Bjugstad to get some chances, and Bjugstad seems like a guy who won’t get in the way of Fiala needing the puck on his stick a lot. But Fiala needs another player on his line who can think the game like him, so Mats Zuccarello will play opposite him. Zuccarello found chemistry with another creative forward in Kaprizov; he could do the same with the Swiss game-breaker. He showed that much when he and Fiala conducted the game-winning goal in overtime against the Blues on Saturday.

Sturm will play with Foligno and Hartman. Foligno has been an absolute monster analytically this year, controlling nearly 78% of the goals scored while he’s on the ice. He can match with Sturm’s abilities, and they can continue on as a shutdown line that plays in the offensive zone more than the defensive zone. Hartman fits on this line well by matching the physicality of Foligno, plus he offers some scoring touch.

Lastly, Bonino will be flanked by Rask and Parise on the fourth line. Rask isn’t much of a puck carrier, and neither are the other two forwards. But they do play straight-line hockey and know how to execute the dump-and-chase strategy. On the plus side, Parise and Bonino can get some power-play minutes on the second unit and pitch in some offense there. The line might play nine to 11 minutes per night, but at their age, they can go all out for those nine minutes and play really good hockey. Think of it like a starting pitcher in baseball who transforms into a relief pitcher. Knowing that the pitcher is in for just a handful of outs per game, they can bring everything in their arsenal rather than pacing themselves as a starter to get through seven innings.

With a spot reserved for Matt Boldy on the first line, bumping Greenway, Zuccarello, and Hartman down a line, Rask or Marcus Johansson could wind up in the press box more often than not.

The most optimal forward lines, then, are:

Greenway (Boldy) – Eriksson Ek – Kaprizov
Zuccarello (Greenway) – Bjugstad – Fiala
Hartman (Zuccarello) – Sturm – Foligno
Rask (Hartman) – Bonino – Parise
Evason should be looking to ice the best line-up every night. It’ll require more than a minor tweak — more than just swapping Hartman and Rask. If he can maximize the skills of every player in the lineup that night, only then could the Wild shock a team or two in the playoffs.
My first thought is would it be realistic to expect Boldy to be promoted this late in the season? Should we have expectations they can get past COL even with the above tweaks should they face them? Is Bjugstad healthy and if so promoting him to the 2nd line when he can't even get ice time now?

I could be very wrong and much of this makes sense. Some of you are far more tuned in to comment than I.
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Post by streakygopher » Wed May 05 11:15 am

I honestly can't find a scenario that they get past Colorado, unless Talbot flat out steals games. Colorado's forwards are just a superb combination of skill, speed and strength. In my view, the Wild's undersized D don't match up well.

The above analysis is glaring in that Parise is a mere afterthought and characterized as a former starting pitcher who will get only a few outs each game. Oof, that's a lotsa motsa for a few outs a game.

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Wed May 05 11:15 am
I honestly can't find a scenario that they get past Colorado, unless Talbot flat out steals games. Colorado's forwards are just a superb combination of skill, speed and strength. In my view, the Wild's undersized D don't match up well.

The above analysis is glaring in that Parise is a mere afterthought and characterized as a former starting pitcher who will get only a few outs each game. Oof, that's a lotsa motsa for a few outs a game.
True...but accordingly, all the pressure will be on the Avs, Wild will be playing with house money 💰

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streakygopher wrote:
Wed May 05 11:15 am
I honestly can't find a scenario that they get past Colorado, unless Talbot flat out steals games. Colorado's forwards are just a superb combination of skill, speed and strength. In my view, the Wild's undersized D don't match up well.

The above analysis is glaring in that Parise is a mere afterthought and characterized as a former starting pitcher who will get only a few outs each game. Oof, that's a lotsa motsa for a few outs a game.
True, but just think how that contract, along with Suter, transformed the Wild from an expansion franchise struggling to win to a play off contender able to sign free agents who want to play here. Without that Parise/Suter deal, the Wild might still be the NHL version of the Timberwolves.

We knew at the time that the back end of this contract would be painful, but it was a necessary evil, and I don't get angry thinking of the proportion of cap space spent on Zach.

Only 4 more years to go.... :mrgreen:

The last 3 seasons, the Wild will only pay Zach $1-2M per year, but the cap hit will remain at $7.5M/year. It'll be interesting what happens with Zach when the salary drops from $6M to $2M and he's not scoring on the 4th line.

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Bertogliat wrote:
Wed May 05 12:52 pm
streakygopher wrote:
Wed May 05 11:15 am
I honestly can't find a scenario that they get past Colorado, unless Talbot flat out steals games. Colorado's forwards are just a superb combination of skill, speed and strength. In my view, the Wild's undersized D don't match up well.

The above analysis is glaring in that Parise is a mere afterthought and characterized as a former starting pitcher who will get only a few outs each game. Oof, that's a lotsa motsa for a few outs a game.
True, but just think how that contract, along with Suter, transformed the Wild from an expansion franchise struggling to win to a play off contender able to sign free agents who want to play here. Without that Parise/Suter deal, the Wild might still be the NHL version of the Timberwolves.

We knew at the time that the back end of this contract would be painful, but it was a necessary evil, and I don't get angry thinking of the proportion of cap space spent on Zach.

Only 4 more years to go.... :mrgreen:

The last 3 seasons, the Wild will only pay Zach $1-2M per year, but the cap hit will remain at $7.5M/year. It'll be interesting what happens with Zach when the salary drops from $6M to $2M and he's not scoring on the 4th line.
When his salary drops to $1-2 mil per year, Zach will likely retire & the Wild will get hit with a $10 mil cap hit for a couple years...that’s how I see it.

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Post by gopherhockeyfan7 » Wed May 05 1:37 pm

bearpaw28 wrote:
Wed May 05 1:15 pm
Bertogliat wrote:
Wed May 05 12:52 pm
streakygopher wrote:
Wed May 05 11:15 am
I honestly can't find a scenario that they get past Colorado, unless Talbot flat out steals games. Colorado's forwards are just a superb combination of skill, speed and strength. In my view, the Wild's undersized D don't match up well.

The above analysis is glaring in that Parise is a mere afterthought and characterized as a former starting pitcher who will get only a few outs each game. Oof, that's a lotsa motsa for a few outs a game.
True, but just think how that contract, along with Suter, transformed the Wild from an expansion franchise struggling to win to a play off contender able to sign free agents who want to play here. Without that Parise/Suter deal, the Wild might still be the NHL version of the Timberwolves.

We knew at the time that the back end of this contract would be painful, but it was a necessary evil, and I don't get angry thinking of the proportion of cap space spent on Zach.

Only 4 more years to go.... :mrgreen:

The last 3 seasons, the Wild will only pay Zach $1-2M per year, but the cap hit will remain at $7.5M/year. It'll be interesting what happens with Zach when the salary drops from $6M to $2M and he's not scoring on the 4th line.
When his salary drops to $1-2 mil per year, Zach will likely retire & the Wild will get hit with a $10 mil cap hit for a couple years...that’s how I see it.
With the new cap recapture rules, the cap hit can't exceed the AAV in any single year, so it would be spread over a longer period and not a huge hit in a single year.

I'm 100% in agreement with Bertogliat on the contract. Parise and Suter elevated this franchise and I wouldn't have any regrets if I were Leipold. The old core just plateaued. Always good but not good enough.
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Re: Wild 2020-2021 Season

Post by J22 » Wed May 05 3:31 pm

bearpaw28 wrote:
Wed May 05 1:15 pm
Bertogliat wrote:
Wed May 05 12:52 pm
streakygopher wrote:
Wed May 05 11:15 am
I honestly can't find a scenario that they get past Colorado, unless Talbot flat out steals games. Colorado's forwards are just a superb combination of skill, speed and strength. In my view, the Wild's undersized D don't match up well.

The above analysis is glaring in that Parise is a mere afterthought and characterized as a former starting pitcher who will get only a few outs each game. Oof, that's a lotsa motsa for a few outs a game.
True, but just think how that contract, along with Suter, transformed the Wild from an expansion franchise struggling to win to a play off contender able to sign free agents who want to play here. Without that Parise/Suter deal, the Wild might still be the NHL version of the Timberwolves.

We knew at the time that the back end of this contract would be painful, but it was a necessary evil, and I don't get angry thinking of the proportion of cap space spent on Zach.

Only 4 more years to go.... :mrgreen:

The last 3 seasons, the Wild will only pay Zach $1-2M per year, but the cap hit will remain at $7.5M/year. It'll be interesting what happens with Zach when the salary drops from $6M to $2M and he's not scoring on the 4th line.
When his salary drops to $1-2 mil per year, Zach will likely retire & the Wild will get hit with a $10 mil cap hit for a couple years...that’s how I see it.
There's no chance of that happening

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Re: Wild 2020-2021 Season

Post by Bertogliat » Wed May 05 3:56 pm

J22 wrote:
Wed May 05 3:31 pm
bearpaw28 wrote:
Wed May 05 1:15 pm
Bertogliat wrote:
Wed May 05 12:52 pm
streakygopher wrote:
Wed May 05 11:15 am
I honestly can't find a scenario that they get past Colorado, unless Talbot flat out steals games. Colorado's forwards are just a superb combination of skill, speed and strength. In my view, the Wild's undersized D don't match up well.

The above analysis is glaring in that Parise is a mere afterthought and characterized as a former starting pitcher who will get only a few outs each game. Oof, that's a lotsa motsa for a few outs a game.
True, but just think how that contract, along with Suter, transformed the Wild from an expansion franchise struggling to win to a play off contender able to sign free agents who want to play here. Without that Parise/Suter deal, the Wild might still be the NHL version of the Timberwolves.

We knew at the time that the back end of this contract would be painful, but it was a necessary evil, and I don't get angry thinking of the proportion of cap space spent on Zach.

Only 4 more years to go.... :mrgreen:

The last 3 seasons, the Wild will only pay Zach $1-2M per year, but the cap hit will remain at $7.5M/year. It'll be interesting what happens with Zach when the salary drops from $6M to $2M and he's not scoring on the 4th line.
When his salary drops to $1-2 mil per year, Zach will likely retire & the Wild will get hit with a $10 mil cap hit for a couple years...that’s how I see it.
There's no chance of that happening
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