Vikings 2020 season

Post by **bearpaw28** » Sun Sep 27 3:42 pm

JC65 wrote: ↑
Sun Sep 27 3:38 pm
I turned on the Raiders vs Patriots game, saw in the bug that the Vikes were up 30-24 with ~4 minutes on the clock and knew they were losing the game. That's what a lifetime of watching Minnesota sports does to a person.

It was 30-25 but we get your point to the T

Post by **JC65** » Sun Sep 27 4:07 pm

bearpaw28 wrote: ↑
Sun Sep 27 3:42 pm

JC65 wrote: ↑
Sun Sep 27 3:38 pm
I turned on the Raiders vs Patriots game, saw in the bug that the Vikes were up 30-24 with ~4 minutes on the clock and knew they were losing the game. That's what a lifetime of watching Minnesota sports does to a person.
It was 30-25 but we get your point to the T

Yeah, I got that detail wrong. It does nothing to change the story.

Post by **bearpaw28** » Sun Sep 27 4:19 pm

Bonin21 wrote: ↑
Sun Sep 27 3:42 pm
Cheer up, the Twins might actually advance in the playoffs because of a best of three series all at home!

Not if they lose today & host the YANKEES

Post by **Bertogliat** » Sun Sep 27 4:49 pm

JC65 wrote: ↑
Sun Sep 27 4:07 pm

bearpaw28 wrote: ↑
Sun Sep 27 3:42 pm

JC65 wrote: ↑
Sun Sep 27 3:38 pm
I turned on the Raiders vs Patriots game, saw in the bug that the Vikes were up 30-24 with ~4 minutes on the clock and knew they were losing the game. That's what a lifetime of watching Minnesota sports does to a person.
It was 30-25 but we get your point to the T
Yeah, I got that detail wrong. It does nothing to change the story.

The 6 point differential would have at least got us to OT. And Cousins would be sacked 3 times...

Post by **gopher6** » Sun Sep 27 4:57 pm

how many more yeas is Cousins contract?

Post by **Bladepuller** » Sun Sep 27 6:39 pm

This year and next I believe. The thing is the problems this team has are much much deeper than the QB

Post by **The Rube** » Sun Sep 27 8:06 pm

Bladepuller wrote: ↑
Sun Sep 27 6:39 pm
This year and next I believe. The thing is the problems this team has are much much deeper than the QB

If one thinks that Cousins is the only (or main) issue, I have some nice land in northern CA to sell you.....recently available to purchase.....

Post by **Bonin21** » Sun Sep 27 8:17 pm

I don't think anyone thinks that...

But he also will never lead the Vikings to a championship, which looking back hilariously is what we signed him for while the window was still slightly open.

Post by **The Rube** » Sun Sep 27 8:39 pm

Bonin21 wrote: ↑
Sun Sep 27 8:17 pm
I don't think anyone thinks that...

But he also will never lead the Vikings to a championship, which looking back hilariously is what we signed him for while the window was still slightly open.

He was supposed to be the final piece, and the fact he was the best available to sign. The other pieces were supposedly in place. Oops.

Post by **Bonin21** » Sun Sep 27 8:53 pm

He was the best UFA QB in a long time. Looking back that shows how hard it is to get a great QB without drafting.

Post by **The Rube** » Sun Sep 27 8:57 pm

Bonin21 wrote: ↑
Sun Sep 27 8:53 pm
He was the best UFA QB in a long time. Looking back that shows how hard it is to get a great QB without drafting.

I agree. To me, it almost is like the Mauer signing. If MN didn't sign this player, the fans would have rioted. In hindsight, many are now mad that THAT player got all that money, and no real results happened.

Post by **ScoobyDoo** » Mon Sep 28 8:20 am

Or some of us have been screaming about the lack of an offensive line for 6 freaking years now.

Post by **Bertogliat** » Mon Sep 28 8:28 am

The Rube wrote: ↑
Sun Sep 27 8:57 pm

Bonin21 wrote: ↑
Sun Sep 27 8:53 pm
He was the best UFA QB in a long time. Looking back that shows how hard it is to get a great QB without drafting.
I agree. To me, it almost is like the Mauer signing. If MN didn't sign this player, the fans would have rioted. In hindsight, many are now mad that THAT player got all that money, and no real results happened.

At least the Vikings can cut Cousins.

Post by **bearpaw28** » Mon Sep 28 9:03 am

Bertogliat wrote: ↑
Mon Sep 28 8:28 am

The Rube wrote: ↑
Sun Sep 27 8:57 pm

Bonin21 wrote: ↑
Sun Sep 27 8:53 pm
He was the best UFA QB in a long time. Looking back that shows how hard it is to get a great QB without drafting.
I agree. To me, it almost is like the Mauer signing. If MN didn't sign this player, the fans would have rioted. In hindsight, many are now mad that THAT player got all that money, and no real results happened.
At least the Vikings can cut Cousins.

Not this season or next season, we are stuck with that overly structured, unimaginative NERD quarterback

Post by **Bertogliat** » Mon Sep 28 9:05 am

The Rube wrote: ↑
Sun Sep 27 8:57 pm

Bonin21 wrote: ↑
Sun Sep 27 8:53 pm
He was the best UFA QB in a long time. Looking back that shows how hard it is to get a great QB without drafting.
I agree. To me, it almost is like the Mauer signing. If MN didn't sign this player, the fans would have rioted. In hindsight, many are now mad that THAT player got all that money, and no real results happened.

I am mad that both players got paid a significant portion of the team cap (yes, the Twins have their own self-set salary cap) and then played well below their pay level.

With Cousins, it irritates the hell out of me that he can look like a pro bowl QB against average competition, but if he plays against a good defense, he can't complete a pass.

A passer rating below 60 for both Packer games last year and we sign him to an extension at over $30 million per year? That's 15% of the cap for a guy who hasn't proven he can beat winning teams. WTF?

https://www.theringer.com/nfl/2020/1/3/ ... rd-preview

From this Jan 3rd article
"Cousins is 0-9 on Monday Night Football, 0-1 in the playoffs, 1-11-1 as a Viking when trailing in the fourth quarter, and 6-29 against teams with winning records in his career."

Of course he is now 1-2 in the playoffs. But those are not stats of a $30M+ QB. Frustrating.

Post by **ScoobyDoo** » Mon Sep 28 9:34 am

Pure insanity is signing a QB that can't move and a running back to big bucks with no offensive line. That is nuts.

Post by **Slap Shot** » Mon Sep 28 10:39 am

I'm not as unsold on Cousins as some of you. I am not convinced he couldn't manage an NFCG appearance if the OL in front of him wasn't complete dogs**t.

Post by **ScoobyDoo** » Mon Sep 28 10:55 am

I agree. I think Cousins could tear defenses apart if he had a line like Marino did in the mid 80's.Instead he has one of the worst offensive lines in the NFL.

Post by **bearpaw28** » Mon Sep 28 11:08 am

Cousins doesn’t improvise well, Keenum did improvise well, Cousins isn’t as brutal as Ponder was when things break down in the pocket,... but Cousin still essentially is a system driven QB. That’s not changing folks, 37 games as Vikings QB, the eye test results are in...Cousins sorely lacks the “it” factor!

Post by **bearpaw28** » Mon Sep 28 11:11 am

The entire team, from Spielman & Zimmer on down, is a complete bust in 2020. So Tank for Trevor

Post by **gopher6** » Mon Sep 28 11:12 am

bearpaw28 wrote: ↑
Mon Sep 28 11:08 am
Cousins doesn’t improvise well, Keenum did improvise well, Cousins isn’t as brutal as Ponder was when things break down in the pocket,... but Cousin still essentially is a system driven QB. That’s not changing folks, 37 games as Vikings QB, the eye test results are in...Cousins sorely lacks the “it” factor!

84million waist of money

And the 2 year extended contract? W.T.F.?

Post by **The Rube** » Mon Sep 28 9:50 pm

bearpaw28 wrote: ↑
Mon Sep 28 11:08 am
Cousins doesn’t improvise well, Keenum did improvise well, Cousins isn’t as brutal as Ponder was when things break down in the pocket,... but Cousin still essentially is a system driven QB. That’s not changing folks, 37 games as Vikings QB, the eye test results are in...Cousins sorely lacks the “it” factor!

I think this is key. Cousins himself said he needs structure to succeed. I'll go further, and say what others have hinted at, flat out said, etc on various platforms. If a play is going to form (structure), he's good. If that structure breaks down...he's lost.

Post by **D2D** » Mon Sep 28 10:38 pm

The Rube wrote: ↑
Mon Sep 28 9:50 pm
If a play is going to form (structure), he's good. If that structure breaks down...he's lost.

For those old enough to remember, he's the direct opposite of Fran Tarkenton.

Post by **The Rube** » Mon Sep 28 10:43 pm

D2D wrote: ↑
Mon Sep 28 10:38 pm

The Rube wrote: ↑
Mon Sep 28 9:50 pm
If a play is going to form (structure), he's good. If that structure breaks down...he's lost.
For those old enough to remember, he's the direct opposite of Fran Tarkenton.

For the newer generation, that would be Peyton Manning.

Post by **Slap Shot** » Tue Sep 29 3:40 am

The Rube wrote: ↑
Mon Sep 28 10:43 pm

D2D wrote: ↑
Mon Sep 28 10:38 pm

The Rube wrote: ↑
Mon Sep 28 9:50 pm
If a play is going to form (structure), he's good. If that structure breaks down...he's lost.
For those old enough to remember, he's the direct opposite of Fran Tarkenton.

For the newer generation, that would be Peyton Manning.

No.

Post by **The Rube** » Tue Sep 29 8:03 am

While Fran could just scramble around, Peyton would change the play beforehand so he wouldn't have to scramble around.

Post by **Greyeagle** » Tue Sep 29 8:06 am

The Rube wrote: ↑
Tue Sep 29 8:03 am
While Fran could just scramble around, Peyton would change the play beforehand so he wouldn't have to scramble around.

Basically it's "OH CRAP it's Butkus!!" v. "OMAHA!"

Post by **Bonin21** » Tue Sep 29 9:29 am

Post by **Bonin21** » Tue Sep 29 9:39 am

Titans shut down til Saturday. Let's see about the Vikings. Maybe they can choose to shut down for the season and hope everyone else wins at least once before they shut down?

Post by **Slap Shot** » Tue Sep 29 10:34 am

I'd like to see a stat that reflect, "Quality Time To Throw" or however to phrase it. Just because Cousins has "time to throw: longest doesn't mean he has the best chance to get rid of it. When you're running away from defenders you're still holding onto the ball. While this site doesn't give that it gives some interesting items if accurate: https://nextgenstats.nfl.com/stats/pass ... essiveness

Time to Throw: 5th
Average Completed Air Yards: 1st
Average Intended Air Yards: 3rd
Aggressiveness: 7th
Longest Completed Air Distance: 4th
Air Yards Per Sticks: 6th
Comp Probability*: 31st
Expected Completion Percentage: **31st

*Completion Probability
The probability of a pass completion, based on numerous factors such as receiver separation from the nearest defender, where the receiver is on the field, the separation the passer had at time of throw from the nearest pass rusher, and more.

**Expected Completion Percentage (xCOMP)
Using a passer’s Completion Probability on every play, determine what a passer’s completion percentage is expected to be.

The last 2 suggest he's not being given the best opportunities with respect to protection and having open receivers. He's middle of the pack when it comes to overcoming xCOMP.

Post by **fightclub30** » Wed Sep 30 12:33 am

Slap Shot wrote: ↑
Tue Sep 29 10:34 am
I'd like to see a stat that reflect, "Quality Time To Throw" or however to phrase it. Just because Cousins has "time to throw: longest doesn't mean he has the best chance to get rid of it. When you're running away from defenders you're still holding onto the ball. While this site doesn't give that it gives some interesting items if accurate: https://nextgenstats.nfl.com/stats/pass ... essiveness

Time to Throw: 5th
Average Completed Air Yards: 1st
Average Intended Air Yards: 3rd
Aggressiveness: 7th
Longest Completed Air Distance: 4th
Air Yards Per Sticks: 6th
Comp Probability*: 31st
Expected Completion Percentage: **31st

*Completion Probability
The probability of a pass completion, based on numerous factors such as receiver separation from the nearest defender, where the receiver is on the field, the separation the passer had at time of throw from the nearest pass rusher, and more.

**Expected Completion Percentage (xCOMP)
Using a passer’s Completion Probability on every play, determine what a passer’s completion percentage is expected to be.

The last 2 suggest he's not being given the best opportunities with respect to protection and having open receivers. He's middle of the pack when it comes to overcoming xCOMP.

Or is he making really poor decisions on who to throw it to? Just asking a question I don't know the answer to.

Post by **Slap Shot** » Wed Sep 30 8:43 am

fightclub30 wrote: ↑
Wed Sep 30 12:33 am

Slap Shot wrote: ↑
Tue Sep 29 10:34 am
I'd like to see a stat that reflect, "Quality Time To Throw" or however to phrase it. Just because Cousins has "time to throw: longest doesn't mean he has the best chance to get rid of it. When you're running away from defenders you're still holding onto the ball. While this site doesn't give that it gives some interesting items if accurate: https://nextgenstats.nfl.com/stats/pass ... essiveness

Time to Throw: 5th
Average Completed Air Yards: 1st
Average Intended Air Yards: 3rd
Aggressiveness: 7th
Longest Completed Air Distance: 4th
Air Yards Per Sticks: 6th
Comp Probability*: 31st
Expected Completion Percentage: **31st

*Completion Probability
The probability of a pass completion, based on numerous factors such as receiver separation from the nearest defender, where the receiver is on the field, the separation the passer had at time of throw from the nearest pass rusher, and more.

**Expected Completion Percentage (xCOMP)
Using a passer’s Completion Probability on every play, determine what a passer’s completion percentage is expected to be.

The last 2 suggest he's not being given the best opportunities with respect to protection and having open receivers. He's middle of the pack when it comes to overcoming xCOMP.
Or is he making really poor decisions on who to throw it to? Just asking a question I don't know the answer to.

That surely could be part of the equation, but the majority of these stats suggest he's not when given protection. Additioally the xCOMP is supposed to take into account what's available to him when under duress.

Which is not me suggesting he shouldn't be better - but analytically it surely appears the OL is not putting him a position to succeed on the whole.

Post by **Bonin21** » Wed Sep 30 4:46 pm

Seems like a lot of math to come to the obvious conclusion that the OL sucks and Cousins is good but not great.

Post by **frozen4champs** » Fri Oct 02 5:59 pm

Post by **Bonin21** » Fri Oct 02 9:03 pm

We knew that was gonna happen when they signed the other guy

Post by **bearpaw28** » Sun Oct 04 1:21 pm

Harrison Ford deserved being ejected, you can't lead with your helmet in 2020.

That said, 17-6 Vikings at the half

Post by **team22tank** » Sun Oct 04 1:25 pm

bearpaw28 wrote: ↑
Sun Oct 04 1:21 pm
Harrison Ford deserved being ejected, you can't lead with your helmet in 2020. That said, 17-6 Vikings at the half

What should he have done drop kicked him?

QB puts his player out to try. Receiver drops his head right in harms way while D player is already going to make the play.

Player Safety 2020.

Post by **Beauner** » Sun Oct 04 1:26 pm

Not sure I agree with the ejection part. Penalty yes but the TE also dropped down as Harrison was mid-tackle which caused the helmet to helmet contact.

Post by **bearpaw28** » Sun Oct 04 1:27 pm

Harrison led with his helmet, not his shoulder. Nuff said in 2020

Post by **team22tank** » Sun Oct 04 1:36 pm

Beauner wrote: ↑
Sun Oct 04 1:26 pm
Not sure I agree with the ejection part. Penalty yes but the TE also dropped down as Harrison was mid-tackle which caused the helmet to helmet contact.

Correct.

These plays won’t go away. Because if a D player can’t make that play he doesn’t play in this league. Risk of getting flagged once in a while does not out weigh not making plays.

Does nothing for player safety. But creates the illusion it is there.

Post by **Orion** » Sun Oct 04 1:39 pm

At least in high school I was always taught to lead with your shoulder and wrap up with the arms. At what level do they start teaching to try and hit the other player into oblivion instead of wrap and roll?

Post by **Bigbeer** » Sun Oct 04 1:55 pm

Here comes the L

Post by **Greyeagle** » Sun Oct 04 2:17 pm

The Vikes have found another receiver.

Post by **Snowcool08** » Sun Oct 04 2:17 pm

I'm starting to really like Justin Jefferson. Kirk is starting to trust him more and he's taking full advantage.

Post by **bearpaw28** » Sun Oct 04 2:32 pm

HOLY FNing blown coverage on 4th & 10. Embarrassing UNACCEPTABLE

Post by **Bigbeer** » Sun Oct 04 2:32 pm

Vikes drop 8 into coverage and still leave someone uncovered

Post by **Greyeagle** » Sun Oct 04 2:33 pm

Bigbeer wrote: ↑
Sun Oct 04 2:32 pm
Vikes drop 8 into coverage and still leave someone uncovered

It's their super power.

Post by **Beauner** » Sun Oct 04 2:36 pm

Watson is just looking for where George Iloka is and then throwing it to the route he's supposed to be covering. Usually about 10-15 yards away from George.

Post by **Bigbeer** » Sun Oct 04 2:36 pm

Greyeagle wrote: ↑
Sun Oct 04 2:17 pm
The Vikes have found another receiver.

Now they just need to find a QB

Post by **Bigbeer** » Sun Oct 04 2:37 pm

Beauner wrote: ↑
Sun Oct 04 2:36 pm
Watson is just looking for where George Iloka is and then throwing it to the route he's supposed to be covering. Usually about 10-15 yards away from George.

It looks like they signed Iloka off the street this week

Post by **bearpaw28** » Sun Oct 04 2:44 pm

JFC Cousins, nice underthrow, good pass seals the game...you SUCK

Post by **Bigbeer** » Sun Oct 04 2:47 pm

Both of these teams stink

Post by **bearpaw28** » Sun Oct 04 2:48 pm

Our D is literally like Swiss cheese

Post by **Zwak** » Sun Oct 04 2:48 pm

Do they really need three announcers in the booth? I’d be just fine if Greg Jennings wasn’t one of them.

Post by **bearpaw28** » Sun Oct 04 2:50 pm

This game will come down to stopping a 2 point conversion by Houston

Post by **bearpaw28** » Sun Oct 04 2:56 pm

He trapped it, Vikings win!

Post by **Bigbeer** » Sun Oct 04 3:01 pm

How is none of their 4 plays calls from inside the 5 a Deshaun Watson misdirection run?

Post by **Snowcool08** » Sun Oct 04 3:02 pm

Bigbeer wrote: ↑
Sun Oct 04 3:01 pm
How is none of their 4 plays calls from inside the 5 a Deshaun Watson misdirection run?

Because Bill O'Brien isn't a good coach.

Post by **Bigbeer** » Sun Oct 04 3:24 pm

Snowcool08 wrote: ↑
Sun Oct 04 3:02 pm

Bigbeer wrote: ↑
Sun Oct 04 3:01 pm
How is none of their 4 plays calls from inside the 5 a Deshaun Watson misdirection run?
Because Bill O'Brien isn't a good coach.

I’m thinking they were trying to save that play for the 2 point conversion....great planning

Post by **Beauner** » Sun Oct 04 3:54 pm

Snowcool08 wrote: ↑
Sun Oct 04 3:02 pm

Bigbeer wrote: ↑
Sun Oct 04 3:01 pm
How is none of their 4 plays calls from inside the 5 a Deshaun Watson misdirection run?
Because Bill O'Brien isn't a good coach.

This is how I answered that question when I asked it to myself.

Post by **ex_goldy** » Sun Oct 04 4:07 pm

bearpaw28 wrote: ↑
Sun Oct 04 2:44 pm
JFC Cousins, nice underthrow, good pass seals the game...you SUCK

Cousins can’t lead the passer. All of the receivers that have the defense beat have to slow down to catch the under thrown ball.

Post by **Beauner** » Sun Oct 04 5:29 pm

ex_goldy wrote: ↑
Sun Oct 04 4:07 pm

bearpaw28 wrote: ↑
Sun Oct 04 2:44 pm
JFC Cousins, nice underthrow, good pass seals the game...you SUCK
Cousins can’t lead the passer. All of the receivers that have the defense beat have to slow down to catch the under thrown ball.

Aaron Rodgers does that all the time. In today's NFL if the receiver has to slow down and the CB runs into him it's DPI 99% of the time

Post by **Bonin21** » Sun Oct 04 8:55 pm

Couldn't watch the game today. Why the heck are the Vikings winning games.

Post by **Bigbeer** » Sun Oct 04 10:11 pm

Bonin21 wrote: ↑
Sun Oct 04 8:55 pm
Couldn't watch the game today. Why the heck are the Vikings winning games.

Bill O’Brien isn’t content to only wreck his team....

Post by **Bigbeer** » Mon Oct 05 4:00 pm

Snowcool08 wrote: ↑
Sun Oct 04 3:02 pm

Bigbeer wrote: ↑
Sun Oct 04 3:01 pm
How is none of their 4 plays calls from inside the 5 a Deshaun Watson misdirection run?
Because Bill O'Brien isn't a good coach.

Now he’s not even a coach...or a GM.

Post by **Butters Stotch** » Mon Oct 05 4:05 pm

Bigbeer wrote: ↑
Mon Oct 05 4:00 pm

Snowcool08 wrote: ↑
Sun Oct 04 3:02 pm

Bigbeer wrote: ↑
Sun Oct 04 3:01 pm
How is none of their 4 plays calls from inside the 5 a Deshaun Watson misdirection run?
Because Bill O'Brien isn't a good coach.
Now he’s not even a coach...or a GM.

He certainly did a lot of damage to that franchise.

Post by **The Rube** » Sun Oct 11 7:12 pm

Prediction: 34-30, SEA. I think MN will put up a fight, but will fall short.

Post by **Beauner** » Sun Oct 11 7:54 pm

In Vikings-related news, former Vikings safety Andrew Sendejo is trending on twitter. And I'm dying at the responses.

Post by **Snowcool08** » Sun Oct 11 8:05 pm

Beauner wrote: ↑
Sun Oct 11 7:54 pm
In Vikings-related news, former Vikings safety Andrew Sendejo is trending on twitter. And I'm dying at the responses.

He hasn’t even been kicked out of a game yet for a bonehead hit. That will happen. Eventually.

Post by **Bigbeer** » Sun Oct 11 8:21 pm

What is happening?

Post by **The Rube** » Sun Oct 11 8:24 pm

I mentioned on The Tweeter Machine that the Vikings have seemed to pull their head out of somewhere uncomfortable, to put it politely.

Post by **Bigbeer** » Sun Oct 11 8:57 pm

That’s gonna be it for Cook, looked like a pulled groin

Post by **Snowcool08** » Sun Oct 11 8:59 pm

Bigbeer wrote: ↑
Sun Oct 11 8:57 pm
That’s gonna be it for Cook, looked like a pulled groin

Looked like he pulled his Gaborik.

Post by **bearpaw28** » Sun Oct 11 9:07 pm

Snowcool08 wrote: ↑
Sun Oct 11 8:59 pm

Bigbeer wrote: ↑
Sun Oct 11 8:57 pm
That’s gonna be it for Cook, looked like a pulled groin
Looked like he pulled his Gaborik.

Hopefully that’s all it is...and not to severe.

Post by **The Rube** » Sun Oct 11 9:11 pm

Zimmer: Hey, Kirk, you might have to improvise. Just warning you.
Kirk: Ah, f*.