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Re: 2019-2020 Wild Season

Posted: Wed Sep 11 11:53 am
by team22tank
J22 wrote:
Tue Sep 10 9:33 pm
Slap Shot wrote:
Tue Sep 10 9:17 pm
J22 wrote:
Tue Sep 10 8:53 pm
ScoobyDoo wrote:
Tue Sep 10 8:34 pm
J22 wrote:
Tue Sep 10 5:44 pm
ScoobyDoo wrote:
Tue Sep 10 5:40 pm
It's not published. Says so right in the article. I personally don't care. He's not worth whatever his ego is telling him.
Yeah that's a sensible take.
But in 19 games with the Wild, he scored three goals and four assists, was minus-12 and led the Wild in giveaways in that span.
I rest my case. Perform you get paid.
You have no case because you don't even know what is being negotiated.
You are certain enough the Wild can offer a contract low enough to justify those results (against everything else) versus all other offers from elsewhere he would be foolish to turn down?
He's an RFA, there are no offers from elsewhere. I'm not saying that Fiala should be free from any blame in this, but to just decided that he's completely at fault and then take shots at his character is absurd.
The ego maniac signed a two year deal less than 24 hours after it was reported a fair deal was in place.

Just think those are the fans that post the most on twitter or on the Athletic.

Re: 2019-2020 Wild Season

Posted: Wed Sep 11 11:56 am
by J22
Fiala signs 2 years $3M. That's a decent bit below market value. Must've been Fiala's massive ego holding things up.

Re: 2019-2020 Wild Season

Posted: Wed Sep 11 12:02 pm
by Greyeagle
Until this discussion I had completely forgot the Wild had traded for Fiala or even that he had played for them.

Re: 2019-2020 Wild Season

Posted: Wed Sep 11 12:08 pm
by Handyman
Greyeagle wrote:
Wed Sep 11 12:02 pm
Until this discussion I had completely forgot the Wild had traded for Fiala or even that he had played for them.
Did you know he was an egomaniac? :confused2: :lol:

Re: 2019-2020 Wild Season

Posted: Wed Sep 11 12:12 pm
by J22
team22tank wrote:
Wed Sep 11 11:53 am
J22 wrote:
Tue Sep 10 9:33 pm
Slap Shot wrote:
Tue Sep 10 9:17 pm
J22 wrote:
Tue Sep 10 8:53 pm
ScoobyDoo wrote:
Tue Sep 10 8:34 pm
J22 wrote:
Tue Sep 10 5:44 pm
ScoobyDoo wrote:
Tue Sep 10 5:40 pm
It's not published. Says so right in the article. I personally don't care. He's not worth whatever his ego is telling him.
Yeah that's a sensible take.
But in 19 games with the Wild, he scored three goals and four assists, was minus-12 and led the Wild in giveaways in that span.
I rest my case. Perform you get paid.
You have no case because you don't even know what is being negotiated.
You are certain enough the Wild can offer a contract low enough to justify those results (against everything else) versus all other offers from elsewhere he would be foolish to turn down?
He's an RFA, there are no offers from elsewhere. I'm not saying that Fiala should be free from any blame in this, but to just decided that he's completely at fault and then take shots at his character is absurd.
The ego maniac signed a two year deal less than 24 hours after it was reported a fair deal was in place.

Just think those are the fans that post the most on twitter or on the Athletic.
Going off of the contract signed, it's seems very likely that Guerin was the one holding things up. :ahhh: :ahhh:

Re: 2019-2020 Wild Season

Posted: Wed Sep 11 12:33 pm
by ScoobyDoo
Front Office won that one. What a change from the last front office.

Re: 2019-2020 Wild Season

Posted: Thu Sep 12 9:09 am
by ScoobyDoo
For those with The Athletic the Wild's Analytic Season Preview is up.

https://theathletic.com/1198660/2019/09 ... sota-wild/

Great read. The eye test is really backed up by the data. Dubnyk isn't as good as his numbers may indicate. In fact the Wild's goaltending is some of the worst in the league. They have great defense. The other not so startling revelation is that they generate A LOT of scoring chances but their convert rate is at the bottom of the league.

Which puts them in the mushy middle again. Mushy middle in the NHL means you could surprise everyone (Blues, last year) or you could end up just like last year did.

My list from a few weeks ago stands.

Re: 2019-2020 Wild Season

Posted: Thu Sep 12 11:12 am
by Thirty-Four
ScoobyDoo wrote:
Thu Sep 12 9:09 am
For those with The Athletic the Wild's Analytic Season Preview is up.

https://theathletic.com/1198660/2019/09 ... sota-wild/

Great read. The eye test is really backed up by the data. Dubnyk isn't as good as his numbers may indicate. In fact the Wild's goaltending is some of the worst in the league. They have great defense. The other not so sorry startling revelation is that they generate A LOT of scoring chances but their convert rate is at the bottom of the league.

Which puts them in the mushy middle again. Mushy middle in the NHL means you could surprise everyone (Blues, last year) or you could end up just like last year did.

My list from a few weeks ago stands.
Sorry Scoob, but the Blues had early predictions of being at least a Conference Championship type team. You can look at Tank’s posts talking about how pundits vastly overrated them. Sure, they played like total garbage for three months, but that was a pretty loaded team. Your take on the Wild is accurate, they will need luck and health to make the playoffs.

Re: 2019-2020 Wild Season

Posted: Thu Sep 12 12:07 pm
by team22tank
Thirty-Four wrote:
Thu Sep 12 11:12 am
ScoobyDoo wrote:
Thu Sep 12 9:09 am
For those with The Athletic the Wild's Analytic Season Preview is up.

https://theathletic.com/1198660/2019/09 ... sota-wild/

Great read. The eye test is really backed up by the data. Dubnyk isn't as good as his numbers may indicate. In fact the Wild's goaltending is some of the worst in the league. They have great defense. The other not so sorry startling revelation is that they generate A LOT of scoring chances but their convert rate is at the bottom of the league.

Which puts them in the mushy middle again. Mushy middle in the NHL means you could surprise everyone (Blues, last year) or you could end up just like last year did.

My list from a few weeks ago stands.
Sorry Scoob, but the Blues had early predictions of being at least a Conference Championship type team. You can look at Tank’s posts talking about how pundits vastly overrated them. Sure, they played like total garbage for three months, but that was a pretty loaded team. Your take on the Wild is accurate, they will need luck and health to make the playoffs.
I had a post about Blues predictions being off season?

I remember the Allen and Johnson ones around the time Yeo got fired and there well under .900 save percentages.

Re: 2019-2020 Wild Season

Posted: Thu Sep 12 12:36 pm
by Thirty-Four
team22tank wrote:
Thu Sep 12 12:07 pm
Thirty-Four wrote:
Thu Sep 12 11:12 am
ScoobyDoo wrote:
Thu Sep 12 9:09 am
For those with The Athletic the Wild's Analytic Season Preview is up.

https://theathletic.com/1198660/2019/09 ... sota-wild/

Great read. The eye test is really backed up by the data. Dubnyk isn't as good as his numbers may indicate. In fact the Wild's goaltending is some of the worst in the league. They have great defense. The other not so sorry startling revelation is that they generate A LOT of scoring chances but their convert rate is at the bottom of the league.

Which puts them in the mushy middle again. Mushy middle in the NHL means you could surprise everyone (Blues, last year) or you could end up just like last year did.

My list from a few weeks ago stands.
Sorry Scoob, but the Blues had early predictions of being at least a Conference Championship type team. You can look at Tank’s posts talking about how pundits vastly overrated them. Sure, they played like total garbage for three months, but that was a pretty loaded team. Your take on the Wild is accurate, they will need luck and health to make the playoffs.
I had a post about Blues predictions being off season?

I remember the Allen and Johnson ones around the time Yeo got fired and there well under .900 save percentages.
Yeah, you didn’t think they were a true contender, mocked the “ experts “. You looked brilliant for a few months, I’ll admit.😂

Re: 2019-2020 Wild Season

Posted: Thu Sep 12 1:46 pm
by ScoobyDoo
So the Blues weren't a surprise? Okey dokey

Re: 2019-2020 Wild Season

Posted: Thu Sep 12 2:23 pm
by ScoobyDoo
Reporting indicates that the Fiala contact number was within two hundred thousand all summer. So the late signing is on Fiala not the Wild.

Re: 2019-2020 Wild Season

Posted: Thu Sep 12 2:34 pm
by J22
ScoobyDoo wrote:
Thu Sep 12 2:23 pm
Reporting indicates that the Fiala contact number was within two hundred thousand all summer. So the late signing is on Fiala not the Wild.
Would love to hear your logic on that

Re: 2019-2020 Wild Season

Posted: Thu Sep 12 2:37 pm
by ScoobyDoo
Fialas counter as reported was so high and out of range the Wild said no way .

Alas if I was on Fiala side right now and ripping Guerin you'd be on me for ripping Guerin

Re: 2019-2020 Wild Season

Posted: Thu Sep 12 2:41 pm
by J22
ScoobyDoo wrote:
Thu Sep 12 2:37 pm
Fialas counter as reported was so high and out of range the Wild said no way .

Alas if I was on Fiala side right now and ripping Guerin you'd be on me for ripping Guerin
Fiala was so outrageous in his demands that he signed for below market value before camp even started? Yeah, that makes a ton of sense.

P.S.- who reported that Fiala's ask was so high? Even your boy Russo didn't have that

Re: 2019-2020 Wild Season

Posted: Thu Sep 12 3:02 pm
by team22tank
ScoobyDoo wrote:
Thu Sep 12 2:37 pm
Fialas counter as reported was so high and out of range the Wild said no way .

Alas if I was on Fiala side right now and ripping Guerin you'd be on me for ripping Guerin
It is the fact you are ripping anyone in this case. Or the fact that everything you bring up has to have a black or white, super hero or villian.

Practice some common sense once in a while. Man Russo knows how to rile a nice little portion of the fan base.

Geurin was hired 20 days ago.



Fiala Saga, :lol: Rubes eat it up.

Re: 2019-2020 Wild Season

Posted: Thu Sep 12 3:10 pm
by J22
team22tank wrote:
Thu Sep 12 3:02 pm
ScoobyDoo wrote:
Thu Sep 12 2:37 pm
Fialas counter as reported was so high and out of range the Wild said no way .

Alas if I was on Fiala side right now and ripping Guerin you'd be on me for ripping Guerin
It is the fact you are ripping anyone in this case. Or the fact that everything you bring up has to have a black or white, super hero or villian.

Practice some common sense once in a while. Man Russo knows how to rile a nice little portion of the fan base.

Geurin was hired 20 days ago.



Fiala Saga, :lol: Rubes eat it up.
Everytime Russo says/writes something, I feel like he's talking directly to Scooby.

Re: 2019-2020 Wild Season

Posted: Thu Sep 12 5:20 pm
by Vegoe
Russo threw out a $3.7 M number on his podcast with Souhan btw.

Re: 2019-2020 Wild Season

Posted: Thu Sep 12 5:31 pm
by J22
Vegoe wrote:
Thu Sep 12 5:20 pm
Russo threw out a $3.7 M number on his podcast with Souhan btw.
And that's exactly what Fiala should've been asking for. Guerin should've been offering $3M and they should've met somewhere in the middle. Fiala flinched first(probably so he wouldn't miss camp and be considered an A-hole) and Guerin got his guy at a very good price. Everybody wins,except Fiala who still gets to be called an egomaniac by the uninforned.

Re: 2019-2020 Wild Season

Posted: Thu Sep 12 5:40 pm
by Thirty-Four
ScoobyDoo wrote:
Thu Sep 12 1:46 pm
So the Blues weren't a surprise? Okey dokey
The result, no. Ending up a point out of first after being dead last in the league in January, yes.

Re: 2019-2020 Wild Season

Posted: Fri Sep 13 1:01 am
by Vegoe


Evolving Hockey doesn’t have any comps for age/production that would match what he’s done to that pay scale.

Re: 2019-2020 Wild Season

Posted: Fri Sep 13 9:06 am
by J22
Vegoe wrote:
Fri Sep 13 1:01 am


Evolving Hockey doesn’t have any comps for age/production that would match what he’s done to that pay scale.
Comparables for Fiala?
Vrana
Buchnevich
Burakovsky
Martha
Kapanen

Re: 2019-2020 Wild Season

Posted: Fri Sep 13 9:29 am
by 00xtremeninja
Its always Martha, Martha, Martha!

Re: 2019-2020 Wild Season

Posted: Fri Sep 13 9:32 am
by team22tank
J22 wrote:
Fri Sep 13 9:06 am

Comparables for Fiala?
Vrana
Buchnevich
Burakovsky
Martha
Kapanen
Is Fiala a UFA in 3 years? I know when this two year deal expires he will still be a RFA. I am sure that was all a factor as well. Whether your next deal you have a lot of control or the next deal you are still a RFA.

Anyway it isn't that big of a deal given the whole Fenton debacle and Guerin being hired 20 days prior to this deal being signed, it all worked out just fine.

Re: 2019-2020 Wild Season

Posted: Fri Sep 13 9:36 am
by J22
00xtremeninja wrote:
Fri Sep 13 9:29 am
Its always Martha, Martha, Martha!
:lol: :lol: sorry, should be Mantha

Re: 2019-2020 Wild Season

Posted: Fri Sep 13 9:37 am
by J22
team22tank wrote:
Fri Sep 13 9:32 am
J22 wrote:
Fri Sep 13 9:06 am

Comparables for Fiala?
Vrana
Buchnevich
Burakovsky
Martha
Kapanen
Is Fiala a UFA in 3 years? I know when this two year deal expires he will still be a RFA. I am sure that was all a factor as well. Whether your next deal you have a lot of control or the next deal you are still a RFA.

Anyway it isn't that big of a deal given the whole Fenton debacle and Guerin being hired 20 days prior to this deal being signed, it all worked out just fine.
Pretty sure he is still 4 years away from UFA

Re: 2019-2020 Wild Season

Posted: Sat Sep 14 10:16 am
by ScoobyDoo

Re: 2019-2020 Wild Season

Posted: Sat Sep 14 1:03 pm
by J22
Just a terrible deal. WTF is Guerin thinking about

Re: 2019-2020 Wild Season

Posted: Sat Sep 14 1:07 pm
by Grovetown Scotty
J22 wrote:
Sat Sep 14 1:03 pm
Just a terrible deal. WTF is Guerin thinking about
Probably selling tickets. Spurge one of the few reasons I watch the Wild.

Re: 2019-2020 Wild Season

Posted: Sat Sep 14 1:36 pm
by Karlsson
SEVEN years? Oof.

Re: 2019-2020 Wild Season

Posted: Sat Sep 14 1:56 pm
by Bonin21
Oh, that's a lot

Re: 2019-2020 Wild Season

Posted: Sat Sep 14 2:27 pm
by ScoobyDoo
lol

Re: 2019-2020 Wild Season

Posted: Sat Sep 14 2:36 pm
by Thirty-Four
8 more years of a guy turning 30, sounds like the Wild.

Re: 2019-2020 Wild Season

Posted: Sat Sep 14 9:43 pm
by Vegasgopher
Official, spurgeon gets paid $$$

Re: 2019-2020 Wild Season

Posted: Sun Sep 15 10:03 am
by ScoobyDoo
Thirty-Four wrote:
Sat Sep 14 2:36 pm
8 more years of a guy turning 30, sounds like the Wild.
They were already down that road anyway with 4-5 players. Another one isn't going to matter. I think Guerin is right to sign him now. It's not like they have any replacements in the pipeline and he's arguably their best player on a team that lacks high end talent.

Re: 2019-2020 Wild Season

Posted: Sun Sep 15 10:59 am
by J22
ScoobyDoo wrote:
Sun Sep 15 10:03 am
Thirty-Four wrote:
Sat Sep 14 2:36 pm
8 more years of a guy turning 30, sounds like the Wild.
They were already down that road anyway with 4-5 players. Another one isn't going to matter. I think Guerin is right to sign him now. It's not like they have any replacements in the pipeline and he's arguably their best player on a team that lacks high end talent.
He's their 3rd best defenseman. Menell and Belpedio are both RHD that are very close to being NHL ready. I do think that signing him was the right call. Giving him 7 years is a bad idea. Giving him $7.5M per is just terrible cap management.

Re: 2019-2020 Wild Season

Posted: Sun Sep 15 11:10 am
by Grovetown Scotty
J22 wrote:
Sun Sep 15 10:59 am
ScoobyDoo wrote:
Sun Sep 15 10:03 am
Thirty-Four wrote:
Sat Sep 14 2:36 pm
8 more years of a guy turning 30, sounds like the Wild.
They were already down that road anyway with 4-5 players. Another one isn't going to matter. I think Guerin is right to sign him now. It's not like they have any replacements in the pipeline and he's arguably their best player on a team that lacks high end talent.
He's their 3rd best defenseman. Menell and Belpedio are both RHD that are very close to being NHL ready. I do think that signing him was the right call. Giving him 7 years is a bad idea. Giving him $7.5M per is just terrible cap management.
Spurgeon is their best defenseman. Suter a close second although I hear he is skating way better this year.
Dumba makes bad decisions on a regular basis.

Re: 2019-2020 Wild Season

Posted: Sun Sep 15 11:39 am
by J22
Grovetown Scotty wrote:
Sun Sep 15 11:10 am
J22 wrote:
Sun Sep 15 10:59 am
ScoobyDoo wrote:
Sun Sep 15 10:03 am
Thirty-Four wrote:
Sat Sep 14 2:36 pm
8 more years of a guy turning 30, sounds like the Wild.
They were already down that road anyway with 4-5 players. Another one isn't going to matter. I think Guerin is right to sign him now. It's not like they have any replacements in the pipeline and he's arguably their best player on a team that lacks high end talent.
He's their 3rd best defenseman. Menell and Belpedio are both RHD that are very close to being NHL ready. I do think that signing him was the right call. Giving him 7 years is a bad idea. Giving him $7.5M per is just terrible cap management.
Spurgeon is their best defenseman. Suter a close second although I hear he is skating way better this year.
Dumba makes bad decisions on a regular basis.
Spurgeon isn't even close to Suter. Dumba was the better player last year and I see no reason why that gap won't get bigger as they age.

Re: 2019-2020 Wild Season

Posted: Sun Sep 15 11:48 am
by Grovetown Scotty
J22 wrote:
Sun Sep 15 11:39 am
Grovetown Scotty wrote:
Sun Sep 15 11:10 am
J22 wrote:
Sun Sep 15 10:59 am
ScoobyDoo wrote:
Sun Sep 15 10:03 am
Thirty-Four wrote:
Sat Sep 14 2:36 pm
8 more years of a guy turning 30, sounds like the Wild.
They were already down that road anyway with 4-5 players. Another one isn't going to matter. I think Guerin is right to sign him now. It's not like they have any replacements in the pipeline and he's arguably their best player on a team that lacks high end talent.
He's their 3rd best defenseman. Menell and Belpedio are both RHD that are very close to being NHL ready. I do think that signing him was the right call. Giving him 7 years is a bad idea. Giving him $7.5M per is just terrible cap management.
Spurgeon is their best defenseman. Suter a close second although I hear he is skating way better this year.
Dumba makes bad decisions on a regular basis.
Spurgeon isn't even close to Suter. Dumba was the better player last year and I see no reason why that gap won't get bigger as they age.
Dumba makes stupid decisions on a nightly basis. Love the guy with the puck on his stick or on the PP, but there is more to playing D than scoring goals.

Re: 2019-2020 Wild Season

Posted: Sun Sep 15 11:53 am
by J22
Grovetown Scotty wrote:
Sun Sep 15 11:48 am
J22 wrote:
Sun Sep 15 11:39 am
Grovetown Scotty wrote:
Sun Sep 15 11:10 am
J22 wrote:
Sun Sep 15 10:59 am
ScoobyDoo wrote:
Sun Sep 15 10:03 am
Thirty-Four wrote:
Sat Sep 14 2:36 pm
8 more years of a guy turning 30, sounds like the Wild.
They were already down that road anyway with 4-5 players. Another one isn't going to matter. I think Guerin is right to sign him now. It's not like they have any replacements in the pipeline and he's arguably their best player on a team that lacks high end talent.
He's their 3rd best defenseman. Menell and Belpedio are both RHD that are very close to being NHL ready. I do think that signing him was the right call. Giving him 7 years is a bad idea. Giving him $7.5M per is just terrible cap management.
Spurgeon is their best defenseman. Suter a close second although I hear he is skating way better this year.
Dumba makes bad decisions on a regular basis.
Spurgeon isn't even close to Suter. Dumba was the better player last year and I see no reason why that gap won't get bigger as they age.
Dumba makes stupid decisions on a nightly basis. Love the guy with the puck on his stick or on the PP, but there is more to playing D than scoring goals.
Offense still needs to be considered though. If you want to talk strictly defensively, Spurgeon is still their 3rd best D because Brodin is better than him in his own end.

Re: 2019-2020 Wild Season

Posted: Sun Sep 15 12:27 pm
by ScoobyDoo
Lol

Re: 2019-2020 Wild Season

Posted: Sun Sep 15 12:39 pm
by J22
ScoobyDoo wrote:
Sun Sep 15 12:27 pm
Lol
(sigh) typical

Re: 2019-2020 Wild Season

Posted: Sun Sep 15 1:07 pm
by Thirty-Four
An aging 5-8 contract anchor. I’d put this on Leipold.

Re: 2019-2020 Wild Season

Posted: Sun Sep 15 1:11 pm
by ScoobyDoo
Anchor as in anchors the defense

Re: 2019-2020 Wild Season

Posted: Sun Sep 15 2:51 pm
by Thirty-Four
This is going to be the Wild’s Brent Seabrook contract.

Re: 2019-2020 Wild Season

Posted: Sun Sep 15 2:53 pm
by ScoobyDoo
Not even close. Spurgeon contract is a basement bargain compared to Kirk Cousins.

Re: 2019-2020 Wild Season

Posted: Sun Sep 15 6:14 pm
by GoldenRube
ScoobyDoo wrote:
Sun Sep 15 2:53 pm
Not even close. Spurgeon contract is a basement bargain compared to Kirk Cousins.
Wow, A shot at Cousins in the Wild Thread. You've expanded your negativity to cross threading!

Re: 2019-2020 Wild Season

Posted: Sun Sep 15 9:24 pm
by bearpaw28
J22 wrote:
Sun Sep 15 10:59 am
ScoobyDoo wrote:
Sun Sep 15 10:03 am
Thirty-Four wrote:
Sat Sep 14 2:36 pm
8 more years of a guy turning 30, sounds like the Wild.
They were already down that road anyway with 4-5 players. Another one isn't going to matter. I think Guerin is right to sign him now. It's not like they have any replacements in the pipeline and he's arguably their best player on a team that lacks high end talent.
He's their 3rd best defenseman. Menell and Belpedio are both RHD that are very close to being NHL ready. I do think that signing him was the right call. Giving him 7 years is a bad idea. Giving him $7.5M per is just terrible cap management.
How can U be so much “smarter” than the new Wild GM...and not be on the payroll of an NHL team? lol Maybe BG should bring back Pominville too...lol

Re: 2019-2020 Wild Season

Posted: Sun Sep 15 10:13 pm
by Thirty-Four
bearpaw28 wrote:
Sun Sep 15 9:24 pm
J22 wrote:
Sun Sep 15 10:59 am
ScoobyDoo wrote:
Sun Sep 15 10:03 am
Thirty-Four wrote:
Sat Sep 14 2:36 pm
8 more years of a guy turning 30, sounds like the Wild.
They were already down that road anyway with 4-5 players. Another one isn't going to matter. I think Guerin is right to sign him now. It's not like they have any replacements in the pipeline and he's arguably their best player on a team that lacks high end talent.
He's their 3rd best defenseman. Menell and Belpedio are both RHD that are very close to being NHL ready. I do think that signing him was the right call. Giving him 7 years is a bad idea. Giving him $7.5M per is just terrible cap management.
How can U be so much “smarter” than the new Wild GM...and not be on the payroll of an NHL team? lol Maybe BG should bring back Pominville too...lol
Bill isn’t stupid, he did what his boss wanted. He’s cashing his paycheck and likely trying to be his own man, but like the rest of us with a boss, at a certain point, you do what you’re told.

Re: 2019-2020 Wild Season

Posted: Sun Sep 15 10:46 pm
by J22
bearpaw28 wrote:
Sun Sep 15 9:24 pm
J22 wrote:
Sun Sep 15 10:59 am
ScoobyDoo wrote:
Sun Sep 15 10:03 am
Thirty-Four wrote:
Sat Sep 14 2:36 pm
8 more years of a guy turning 30, sounds like the Wild.
They were already down that road anyway with 4-5 players. Another one isn't going to matter. I think Guerin is right to sign him now. It's not like they have any replacements in the pipeline and he's arguably their best player on a team that lacks high end talent.
He's their 3rd best defenseman. Menell and Belpedio are both RHD that are very close to being NHL ready. I do think that signing him was the right call. Giving him 7 years is a bad idea. Giving him $7.5M per is just terrible cap management.
How can U be so much “smarter” than the new Wild GM...and not be on the payroll of an NHL team? lol Maybe BG should bring back Pominville too...lol
You're absolutely correct, there has never been a bad contract signed in the history of the NHL. I really love how you keep bringing up Pominville's name. I guess you forgot that your're the idiot that said Tyler Ennis would make everyone forget that Pominville ever played for the Wild. Go back under your bridge

Re: 2019-2020 Wild Season

Posted: Mon Sep 16 6:57 am
by g-manpuck
I don't think any of us can be surprised at the money they gave Jared but the term is what I think most of us are concerned with. But with his style of play he could still be a very effective d-man in 5-6 years that is worth that money. Of course, it's the worry of injury derailing his career that makes this length of contract scary.

Re: 2019-2020 Wild Season

Posted: Mon Sep 16 8:08 am
by Grovetown Scotty
Now that Spurgeon is under contract Guerin should be looking to upgrade the Wild’s goaltending. The past 2 GM’s seemed happy with a inconsistent goalie who gives up one softy a game.
Let’s not forget the Stars traded a 4th round pick to get Bishop. It can be done.

Re: 2019-2020 Wild Season

Posted: Mon Sep 16 8:19 am
by ScoobyDoo
The only way it's a bad contract is if he gets hurt. And, if you worried about that all the time you'd never sign anyone. Everything is statistics and slots nowadays. Everyone is slotted. Spurgeon got a market deal just like everyone else.

Now we'll see if were lucky enough to have him healthy, and have him play to his statistical average the rest of his career or not. Just like everybody else.

As for Dubnyk, he was better when he first got here. He got his market level deal.The problem is he's been digressing ever since he signed it. He gets no push either. I love me some Stalock but he's not a backup that's ever going to push for starting time. That's what you need. Allen had one of the greatest playoff series I've ever seen for a goaltender and look at how the Blues won it all last year. They replaced him.

Re: 2019-2020 Wild Season

Posted: Mon Sep 16 9:11 am
by team22tank
I'm fine with the contract. Koivu and Stall will be long gone mid deal. Zucc gone by the last few years of it.

About 2/3 of the league have players with higher Cap hits than a Wild player. And many will surpass the Wild soon as they have players due raises.

The Wild probably won't crack an 8 million Cap hit until Dumba gets his next deal.

It keeps in tact a great top 4 that still has a relatively young Brodin and Dumba for years to come.

Re: 2019-2020 Wild Season

Posted: Mon Sep 16 9:27 am
by Vegoe
Spurgeon at $7,575,000 puts him behind

Erik Karlsson SJS 30 D $11,500,000
Drew Doughty LAK 30 D $11,000,000
P.K. Subban NJD 31 D $9,000,000
Oliver Ekman-Larsson ARI 28 D $8,250,000
John Carlson WSH 30 D $8,000,000
Brent Burns SJS 35 D $8,000,000
Jacob Trouba NYR 26 D $8,000,000
Victor Hedman TBL 29 D $7,875,000
Shea Weber MTL 34 D $7,857,143
Dustin Byfuglien WPG 35 D $7,600,000

Guessing deals for with Alex Pietrangelo, Tyson Barrie, Torey Krug and Roman Josi in 20-21 and Dougie Hamilton, Ryan Murray and Adam Larsson in 2021-22 will challenge this one as well.

Looking ahead at 20-21 UFAs I see Braden Holtby, Nicklas Backstrom, Brayden Schenn, Taylor Hall, Mike Hoffman, Alex Galchenyuk and Chris Kreider.

Feel free to show us what you would do: https://www.capfriendly.com/armchair-gm

Re: 2019-2020 Wild Season

Posted: Mon Sep 16 9:43 am
by g-manpuck
I had no idea until I just did a two minute Google search about Big Buff. My first thought was "how is he worth that?" And then I saw the stats....I had NO idea his stats were that good.

Re: 2019-2020 Wild Season

Posted: Mon Sep 16 10:19 am
by bearpaw28
J22 wrote:
Sun Sep 15 10:46 pm
bearpaw28 wrote:
Sun Sep 15 9:24 pm
J22 wrote:
Sun Sep 15 10:59 am
ScoobyDoo wrote:
Sun Sep 15 10:03 am
Thirty-Four wrote:
Sat Sep 14 2:36 pm
8 more years of a guy turning 30, sounds like the Wild.
They were already down that road anyway with 4-5 players. Another one isn't going to matter. I think Guerin is right to sign him now. It's not like they have any replacements in the pipeline and he's arguably their best player on a team that lacks high end talent.
He's their 3rd best defenseman. Menell and Belpedio are both RHD that are very close to being NHL ready. I do think that signing him was the right call. Giving him 7 years is a bad idea. Giving him $7.5M per is just terrible cap management.
How can U be so much “smarter” than the new Wild GM...and not be on the payroll of an NHL team? lol Maybe BG should bring back Pominville too...lol
You're absolutely correct, there has never been a bad contract signed in the history of the NHL. I really love how you keep bringing up Pominville's name. I guess you forgot that your're the idiot that said Tyler Ennis would make everyone forget that Pominville ever played for the Wild. Go back under your bridge
At least I’m not the complete idiot who stated emphatically that Pominville was a better 2 way hockey player than Parise. Who’s still in the league? LMAO 😂

Re: 2019-2020 Wild Season

Posted: Wed Sep 18 3:37 am
by Slap Shot
Only scored 1 goal. The offensive woes continue. Preseason's over.

Re: 2019-2020 Wild Season

Posted: Wed Sep 18 8:37 am
by Grovetown Scotty
Wild veterans looked to be going through the motions.
Donato is not good on face offs and would expect him to be moved back to wing.
Hartman and Luke Johnson had good games as did Foligno.
On D Soucy played well and Dumba was running all over the place and was caught down low on the 3 on 3 game winner in OT.

Re: 2019-2020 Wild Season

Posted: Wed Sep 18 7:12 pm
by JWG
Wild of to another exceptional start.

Re: 2019-2020 Wild Season

Posted: Thu Sep 19 2:20 pm
by ScoobyDoo
The "This Team Cannot Score" theme has already begun. Go Wild.

Re: 2019-2020 Wild Season

Posted: Thu Sep 19 3:09 pm
by YoungEagle
g-manpuck wrote:
Mon Sep 16 9:43 am
I had no idea until I just did a two minute Google search about Big Buff. My first thought was "how is he worth that?" And then I saw the stats....I had NO idea his stats were that good.
He's been an extremely effective player for a long time. Physically tough and offensively gifted.

Re: 2019-2020 Wild Season

Posted: Thu Sep 19 3:59 pm
by fightclub30
YoungEagle wrote:
Thu Sep 19 3:09 pm
g-manpuck wrote:
Mon Sep 16 9:43 am
I had no idea until I just did a two minute Google search about Big Buff. My first thought was "how is he worth that?" And then I saw the stats....I had NO idea his stats were that good.
He's been an extremely effective player for a long time. Physically tough and offensively gifted.
Who is currently contemplating retirement during a leave of absence from the Jets.
https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/jet ... ement-nhl/

Re: 2019-2020 Wild Season

Posted: Thu Sep 19 4:40 pm
by frozen4champs
FWIW, The Hockey News ranked the top 6 forward groups and the Wild's are 5th worse. They also ranked the top 25 players at each position. The Wild had zero at center, #16 ( Zucker) and #25 ( Parise) at left wing, zero at right wing, #17 ( Suter) at defense, and #16 at goalie. They predict the Wild last in the central and have the 5th worse odds to win the cup.

Re: 2019-2020 Wild Season

Posted: Thu Sep 19 5:09 pm
by Vegasgopher
It exactly the A squad last night, I put no weight on he game..most teams send the minors to road exhibition games

Saw Robson got a period, anyone see??? How'd he look???

Re: 2019-2020 Wild Season

Posted: Thu Sep 19 5:13 pm
by team22tank
frozen4champs wrote:
Thu Sep 19 4:40 pm
FWIW, The Hockey News ranked the top 6 forward groups and the Wild's are 5th worse. They also ranked the top 25 players at each position. The Wild had zero at center, #16 ( Zucker) and #25 ( Parise) at left wing, zero at right wing, #17 ( Suter) at defense, and #16 at goalie. They predict the Wild last in the central and have the 5th worse odds to win the cup.
https://theathletic.com/1166232/2019/09 ... -previews/

16. Minnesota Wild (entire NHL)

Projected points: 93.0 points
Playoff chances: 58 percent
Stanley Cup chances: 2 percent

https://theathletic.com/1198660/2019/09 ... sota-wild/

Re: 2019-2020 Wild Season

Posted: Thu Sep 19 5:29 pm
by ScoobyDoo
team22tank wrote:
Thu Sep 19 5:13 pm
frozen4champs wrote:
Thu Sep 19 4:40 pm
FWIW, The Hockey News ranked the top 6 forward groups and the Wild's are 5th worse. They also ranked the top 25 players at each position. The Wild had zero at center, #16 ( Zucker) and #25 ( Parise) at left wing, zero at right wing, #17 ( Suter) at defense, and #16 at goalie. They predict the Wild last in the central and have the 5th worse odds to win the cup.
https://theathletic.com/1166232/2019/09 ... -previews/

16. Minnesota Wild (entire NHL)

Projected points: 93.0 points
Playoff chances: 58 percent
Stanley Cup chances: 2 percent

https://theathletic.com/1198660/2019/09 ... sota-wild/
He does nice work. I'd believe him over The Hockey News.

Re: 2019-2020 Wild Season

Posted: Thu Sep 19 5:32 pm
by J22
Vegasgopher wrote:
Thu Sep 19 5:09 pm
It exactly the A squad last night, I put no weight on he game..most teams send the minors to road exhibition games

Saw Robson got a period, anyone see??? How'd he look???
Robson didn't see a ton of action but he was solid. Made a couple of nice saves. The goal he gave up was a screened point shot that found its way through a bunch of bodies.

Re: 2019-2020 Wild Season

Posted: Thu Sep 19 6:25 pm
by Vegasgopher
J22 wrote:
Thu Sep 19 5:32 pm
Vegasgopher wrote:
Thu Sep 19 5:09 pm
It exactly the A squad last night, I put no weight on he game..most teams send the minors to road exhibition games

Saw Robson got a period, anyone see??? How'd he look???
Robson didn't see a ton of action but he was solid. Made a couple of nice saves. The goal he gave up was a screened point shot that found its way through a bunch of bodies.
I wonder if the plan is him and kukoven (sp) split time for the baby wild

Re: 2019-2020 Wild Season

Posted: Thu Sep 19 8:03 pm
by J22
Vegasgopher wrote:
Thu Sep 19 6:25 pm
J22 wrote:
Thu Sep 19 5:32 pm
Vegasgopher wrote:
Thu Sep 19 5:09 pm
It exactly the A squad last night, I put no weight on he game..most teams send the minors to road exhibition games

Saw Robson got a period, anyone see??? How'd he look???
Robson didn't see a ton of action but he was solid. Made a couple of nice saves. The goal he gave up was a screened point shot that found its way through a bunch of bodies.
I wonder if the plan is him and kukoven (sp) split time for the baby wild
That does appear to be what they are planning on. Doens't make a ton of sense to me. Makes even less sense that they are apparently planning on letting Stalock play in the NHL again.

Re: 2019-2020 Wild Season

Posted: Thu Sep 19 8:11 pm
by Vegasgopher
Did they get rid of the hamburgler? Lol

I thought kurkoven had a hell of a year last year for the babys, maybe flip flop him and stalock...someone is going to need to be the heir to boobnyk

Re: 2019-2020 Wild Season

Posted: Thu Sep 19 8:29 pm
by team22tank
J22 wrote:
Thu Sep 19 8:03 pm
Vegasgopher wrote:
Thu Sep 19 6:25 pm
J22 wrote:
Thu Sep 19 5:32 pm
Vegasgopher wrote:
Thu Sep 19 5:09 pm
It exactly the A squad last night, I put no weight on he game..most teams send the minors to road exhibition games

Saw Robson got a period, anyone see??? How'd he look???
Robson didn't see a ton of action but he was solid. Made a couple of nice saves. The goal he gave up was a screened point shot that found its way through a bunch of bodies.
I wonder if the plan is him and kukoven (sp) split time for the baby wild
That does appear to be what they are planning on. Doens't make a ton of sense to me. Makes even less sense that they are apparently planning on letting Stalock play in the NHL again.
What don’t you think makes sense?

If it were a dead even split there is about 40 games a guy with playoffs. Seems like plenty of games for a developing goaltender.

Re: 2019-2020 Wild Season

Posted: Thu Sep 19 8:33 pm
by J22
Vegasgopher wrote:
Thu Sep 19 8:11 pm
Did they get rid of the hamburgler? Lol

I thought kurkoven had a hell of a year last year for the babys, maybe flip flop him and stalock...someone is going to need to be the heir to boobnyk
Yes, Hammond is gone. Kahkonen started great in Iowa but faded as the season wore on. IMO- Kahkonen should be starting the season getting the majority of starts in Iowa with Stalock backing him up. Robson should be playing everyday in the ECHL.

Re: 2019-2020 Wild Season

Posted: Thu Sep 19 8:37 pm
by J22
team22tank wrote:
Thu Sep 19 8:29 pm
J22 wrote:
Thu Sep 19 8:03 pm
Vegasgopher wrote:
Thu Sep 19 6:25 pm
J22 wrote:
Thu Sep 19 5:32 pm
Vegasgopher wrote:
Thu Sep 19 5:09 pm
It exactly the A squad last night, I put no weight on he game..most teams send the minors to road exhibition games

Saw Robson got a period, anyone see??? How'd he look???
Robson didn't see a ton of action but he was solid. Made a couple of nice saves. The goal he gave up was a screened point shot that found its way through a bunch of bodies.
I wonder if the plan is him and kukoven (sp) split time for the baby wild
That does appear to be what they are planning on. Doens't make a ton of sense to me. Makes even less sense that they are apparently planning on letting Stalock play in the NHL again.
What don’t you think makes sense?

If it were a dead even split there is about 40 games a guy with playoffs. Seems like plenty of games for a developing goaltender.
Kahkonen already proved he can handle the AHL game but couldn't handle the grind of the season.This year should be used to see if he can do both. I'm also not a fan of having two kids in Iowa without any kind of vet pressence.

Re: 2019-2020 Wild Season

Posted: Thu Sep 19 8:38 pm
by Vegasgopher
J22 wrote:
Thu Sep 19 8:33 pm
Vegasgopher wrote:
Thu Sep 19 8:11 pm
Did they get rid of the hamburgler? Lol

I thought kurkoven had a hell of a year last year for the babys, maybe flip flop him and stalock...someone is going to need to be the heir to boobnyk
Yes, Hammond is gone. Kahkonen started great in Iowa but faded as the season wore on. IMO- Kahkonen should be starting the season getting the majority of starts in Iowa with Stalock backing him up. Robson should be playing everyday in the ECHL.
Can't remember, do we have an echl affiliate? We have the Everblades here in ft Myers and I think they are the Carolina hurricanes