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Re: 2019-2020 Wild Season

Posted: Thu Sep 17 12:05 pm
by Vegoe
J22 wrote:
Thu Sep 17 11:52 am
YoungEagle wrote:
Thu Sep 17 10:48 am
Vegoe wrote:
Thu Sep 17 10:42 am
I only think the Wild moves Dumba if they can get a top six center... having one of the best top four D in the NHL is what makes them good. Based on what's happening, be ready to see Parise move back east. Looks like the buyout window is six days after the cup gets awarded and then the NHL draft Oct. 9/10. Probably a busy first week of October ahead.

Kaprizov-Johansson-Fiala
Zuccarello-Bjugstad-Dontato
Greenway-Ek-Kunin
Foligno-Sturm-Hartman
Rask

Suter-Spurgeon
Brodin-Dumba
Soucy-Hunt
Belpedio

Kahkonen
Stalock
With the money they need next offseason potentially with some of the future of the club needing contracts. I’d be shocked if they buyout any of their players. Trades seem more likely. Russo has said as much too.

The Winnipeg/Laine situation is very interesting. That roster has been shuffled quite a bit in the last year and change.
I will be very surprised if Dubnyk isn't bought out
I think Duby's ship has sailed... I think the Wild basically move Parise for Ladd for compliance buyout purposes.

Maybe they can do somthing similar with Vegas, getting Fluery and then LV buys out Duby.

Re: 2019-2020 Wild Season

Posted: Thu Sep 17 12:34 pm
by J22
Vegoe wrote:
Thu Sep 17 12:05 pm
J22 wrote:
Thu Sep 17 11:52 am
YoungEagle wrote:
Thu Sep 17 10:48 am
Vegoe wrote:
Thu Sep 17 10:42 am
I only think the Wild moves Dumba if they can get a top six center... having one of the best top four D in the NHL is what makes them good. Based on what's happening, be ready to see Parise move back east. Looks like the buyout window is six days after the cup gets awarded and then the NHL draft Oct. 9/10. Probably a busy first week of October ahead.

Kaprizov-Johansson-Fiala
Zuccarello-Bjugstad-Dontato
Greenway-Ek-Kunin
Foligno-Sturm-Hartman
Rask

Suter-Spurgeon
Brodin-Dumba
Soucy-Hunt
Belpedio

Kahkonen
Stalock
With the money they need next offseason potentially with some of the future of the club needing contracts. I’d be shocked if they buyout any of their players. Trades seem more likely. Russo has said as much too.

The Winnipeg/Laine situation is very interesting. That roster has been shuffled quite a bit in the last year and change.
I will be very surprised if Dubnyk isn't bought out
I think Duby's ship has sailed... I think the Wild basically move Parise for Ladd for compliance buyout purposes.

Maybe they can do somthing similar with Vegas, getting Fluery and then LV buys out Duby.
Fleury has about as much value as Bjugstad did. Even Dubnyk for Fleury is a bad deal for the Wild unless Vegas is willing to eat some of that contract.

Re: 2019-2020 Wild Season

Posted: Thu Sep 17 12:38 pm
by bearpaw28
So who are the best options to pursue as Wild starting goalie next year? Because Dubbs is done & we know (J22) that you loathe Stalock. Fleury has two years left at $7 million per. I’d be willing to pay that for a competent starting goalie, which Dubbs obviously isn’t, I agree with Vegoe on this point ☝️

Re: 2019-2020 Wild Season

Posted: Fri Sep 18 10:17 am
by 00xtremeninja
Koivu not re signed, fans demand his number be retired. Jfc wild fans want all their favorites to have numbers in the rafters because they liked a player

Re: 2019-2020 Wild Season

Posted: Fri Sep 18 10:51 am
by Slap Shot

Re: 2019-2020 Wild Season

Posted: Fri Sep 18 11:01 am
by Greyeagle
00xtremeninja wrote:
Fri Sep 18 10:17 am
Koivu not re signed, fans demand his number be retired. Jfc wild fans want all their favorites to have numbers in the rafters because they liked a player
For the Wild franchise I still haven't decide which move was dumber, retiring #1 for the 'fans' before they ever hit the ice or introducing Nordy.

Re: 2019-2020 Wild Season

Posted: Fri Sep 18 11:08 am
by 00xtremeninja
Greyeagle wrote:
Fri Sep 18 11:01 am
00xtremeninja wrote:
Fri Sep 18 10:17 am
Koivu not re signed, fans demand his number be retired. Jfc wild fans want all their favorites to have numbers in the rafters because they liked a player
For the Wild franchise I still haven't decide which move was dumber, retiring #1 for the 'fans' before they ever hit the ice or introducing Nordy.
That number 1. By far the dumbest move. Just pandering to the fan base of "hey the Stars got moved and that sucks, we will show you we are committed to you fans by retiring number one for you! Because you are all number 1 in our eyes!"

Re: 2019-2020 Wild Season

Posted: Fri Sep 18 12:30 pm
by Beauner
00xtremeninja wrote:
Fri Sep 18 10:17 am
Koivu not re signed, fans demand his number be retired. Jfc wild fans want all their favorites to have numbers in the rafters because they liked a player
Not that he has a lot of competition but he's been one of the best players in franchise history, played 15 years, and was a captain for a lot of them. 709 pts in 1028 games and was an undoubted team leader. For a young-ish franchise, those are jersey retirement numbers, IMO.

Re: 2019-2020 Wild Season

Posted: Fri Sep 18 1:26 pm
by davescharf
Agreed - there should be no question on retiring his number. He deserves to be the first

Re: 2019-2020 Wild Season

Posted: Fri Sep 18 1:32 pm
by Jupiter
I was just never a Koivu fan... I wanted to be, but Geezus he sure liked to disappear in the post season just like Joe Mauer always did for the Twins. So I just could not in to Koivu much.

Re: 2019-2020 Wild Season

Posted: Fri Sep 18 2:10 pm
by Maize
I'm a casual fan at best, granted, but I honestly couldn't even remember what Koivu's number was. That said, it would be very on-brand for the Wild to retire a number for a guy nobody outside of Minnesota has ever heard of.

Re: 2019-2020 Wild Season

Posted: Fri Sep 18 3:45 pm
by D2D
Maize wrote:
Fri Sep 18 2:10 pm
I'm a casual fan at best, granted, but I honestly couldn't even remember what Koivu's number was. That said, it would be very on-brand for the Wild to retire a number for a guy nobody outside of Minnesota has ever heard of.
Pretty sure hockey fans in Finland have heard of him.

Re: 2019-2020 Wild Season

Posted: Fri Sep 18 4:01 pm
by NYC Gopher fan
D2D wrote:
Fri Sep 18 3:45 pm
Maize wrote:
Fri Sep 18 2:10 pm
I'm a casual fan at best, granted, but I honestly couldn't even remember what Koivu's number was. That said, it would be very on-brand for the Wild to retire a number for a guy nobody outside of Minnesota has ever heard of.
Pretty sure hockey fans in Finland have heard of him.
After spending time in Finland I can confirm he’s one of the most famous people in the country

Re: 2019-2020 Wild Season

Posted: Fri Sep 18 4:13 pm
by DreamLoss
NYC Gopher fan wrote:
Fri Sep 18 4:01 pm
D2D wrote:
Fri Sep 18 3:45 pm
Maize wrote:
Fri Sep 18 2:10 pm
I'm a casual fan at best, granted, but I honestly couldn't even remember what Koivu's number was. That said, it would be very on-brand for the Wild to retire a number for a guy nobody outside of Minnesota has ever heard of.
Pretty sure hockey fans in Finland have heard of him.
After spending time in Finland I can confirm he’s one of the most famous people in the country
I did have to laugh during Eric Staal's presser with the Buffalo Sabres media today when some guy from the Associated Press asked him his thoughts on the confirmation that Saku won't be resigning with the Wild.

Re: 2019-2020 Wild Season

Posted: Fri Sep 18 4:41 pm
by Maize
NYC Gopher fan wrote:
Fri Sep 18 4:01 pm

After spending time in Finland I can confirm he’s one of the most famous people in the country
Then let them retire his number.

Re: 2019-2020 Wild Season

Posted: Fri Sep 18 5:12 pm
by bearpaw28
Jupiter wrote:
Fri Sep 18 1:32 pm
I was just never a Koivu fan... I wanted to be, but Geezus he sure liked to disappear in the post season just like Joe Mauer always did for the Twins. So I just could not in to Koivu much.
In his heyday, Mikko was an effective two way second line C. The problem was the role the Wild had him playing was that of first line C. Accordingly he never measured up to that, especially offensively & particularly during the playoffs.

Re: 2019-2020 Wild Season

Posted: Fri Sep 18 6:08 pm
by team22tank
00xtremeninja wrote:
Fri Sep 18 10:17 am
Koivu not re signed, fans demand his number be retired. Jfc wild fans want all their favorites to have numbers in the rafters because they liked a player
Huh?

Like who?

Re: 2019-2020 Wild Season

Posted: Fri Sep 18 7:06 pm
by frozen4champs
Koivu is the leader in so may categories for the Wild. Like him or not, they will retire his number in the next couple of years, unless he goes Garnett on them.

Re: 2019-2020 Wild Season

Posted: Fri Sep 18 8:55 pm
by 00xtremeninja
team22tank wrote:
Fri Sep 18 6:08 pm
00xtremeninja wrote:
Fri Sep 18 10:17 am
Koivu not re signed, fans demand his number be retired. Jfc wild fans want all their favorites to have numbers in the rafters because they liked a player
Huh?

Like who?
Go look at replies to wild Twitter

Re: 2019-2020 Wild Season

Posted: Thu Oct 01 3:42 pm
by fightclub30
With King Henrik being bought out... Any chance he would come here on a reasonable one year deal to see what we have in Kahkonen?

He is coming off some down years (2 in a row), but is (was?) a good, veteran goalie, who might do better in front of an older, experienced, defensively sound team like MN...

His stats last year aren't great, but his High-Danger sv% was still reasonable (.836%) and saw 262 High Danger chances in 30 games.
As compared to Dubnyk who saw 186 High Danger chances in 30 games with a .737% high danger sv%.

Henrik's overall Sv% was only .905 (below league average) but NYR was going with a young team, and not known for their stout defense.
Henrik's stats were still reasonable while tailing off, where-as Holtby's have fallen off a cliff and he was worse (if you can imagine) than Dubnyk this past season.

Henrik is also a free agent with no huge term or money on a current deal (like Fluery who was listed as a possible option). Other younger goalies, some unproven, are likely to get big term and/or big money - Markstrom (likely to stay in Van), Lehner (likey to stay in Vegas), for example.

If he gets 2/3s the remaining value over twice the remaining term, that is $1.5M from NYR the next 2 seasons already. Would he take a $5-$6M one year deal to be a 1A in MIN for one season (two seasons MAX)? At 38 and declining I am not sure any team is going to commit big money or term to him. He is coming off a 7 year $8.5M-AAV deal. Interesting option, to me at least, but I am biased as a big HL fan.

Re: 2019-2020 Wild Season

Posted: Thu Oct 01 3:49 pm
by J22
fightclub30 wrote:
Thu Oct 01 3:42 pm
With King Henrik being bought out... Any chance he would come here on a reasonable one year deal to see what we have in Kahkonen?

He is coming off some down years (2 in a row), but is (was?) a good, veteran goalie, who might do better in front of an older, experienced, defensively sound team like MN...

His stats last year aren't great, but his High-Danger sv% was still reasonable (.836%) and saw 262 High Danger chances in 30 games.
As compared to Dubnyk who saw 186 High Danger chances in 30 games with a .737% high danger sv%.

Henrik's overall Sv% was only .905 (below league average) but NYR was going with a young team, and not known for their stout defense.
Henrik's stats were still reasonable while tailing off, where-as Holtby's have fallen off a cliff and he was worse (if you can imagine) than Dubnyk this past season.

Henrik is also a free agent with no huge term or money on a current deal (like Fluery who was listed as a possible option). Other younger goalies, some unproven, are likely to get big term and/or big money - Markstrom (likely to stay in Van), Lehner (likey to stay in Vegas), for example.

If he gets 2/3s the remaining value over twice the remaining term, that is $1.5M from NYR the next 2 seasons already. Would he take a $5-$6M one year deal to be a 1A in MIN for one season (two seasons MAX)? At 38 and declining I am not sure any team is going to commit big money or term to him. He is coming off a 7 year $8.5M-AAV deal. Interesting option, to me at least, but I am biased as a big HL fan.
Lundqvist is 38 so I can't see any team offering him anything but a 1 year deal. Also can't see him getting anything over $3M. He is best buddies with Zuccarello so I could see the outside chance that he comes to Minnesota. I would rather have Lundqvist than bringing in Fleury.

Re: 2019-2020 Wild Season

Posted: Thu Oct 01 4:33 pm
by fightclub30
J22 wrote:
Thu Oct 01 3:49 pm

Lundqvist is 38 so I can't see any team offering him anything but a 1 year deal. Also can't see him getting anything over $3M. He is best buddies with Zuccarello so I could see the outside chance that he comes to Minnesota. I would rather have Lundqvist than bringing in Fleury.
in 2017, Craig Anderson signed a 2-year deal at 37 for $4,750,000/yr
in 2018, Pekka Rinne signed a 2-year deal at 36 for $5,000,000/yr
in 2012, Brodeur signed a 2-year deal at 40 for $4,500,000/yr
in 2019, Mike Smith signed a 1-year deal at 37 for $2,000,000 + bonuses for up to $3,750,000.

That's why I was thinking $4-$5M. Is he worth that, not sure, but that is probably in the ballpark of what he gets.

I completely forgot about him breaking down and not able to answer the question about Zucc getting traded to Dallas.

When Backstrom hit 35 with the Wild, he took a really bad downward trend. But Backstrom isn't a potential hall-of-famer either...

Re: 2019-2020 Wild Season

Posted: Thu Oct 01 4:45 pm
by J22
fightclub30 wrote:
Thu Oct 01 4:33 pm
J22 wrote:
Thu Oct 01 3:49 pm

Lundqvist is 38 so I can't see any team offering him anything but a 1 year deal. Also can't see him getting anything over $3M. He is best buddies with Zuccarello so I could see the outside chance that he comes to Minnesota. I would rather have Lundqvist than bringing in Fleury.
in 2017, Craig Anderson signed a 2-year deal at 37 for $4,750,000/yr
in 2018, Pekka Rinne signed a 2-year deal at 36 for $5,000,000/yr
in 2012, Brodeur signed a 2-year deal at 40 for $4,500,000/yr
in 2019, Mike Smith signed a 1-year deal at 37 for $2,000,000 + bonuses for up to $3,750,000.

That's why I was thinking $4-$5M. Is he worth that, not sure, but that is probably in the ballpark of what he gets.

I completely forgot about him breaking down and not able to answer the question about Zucc getting traded to Dallas.

When Backstrom hit 35 with the Wild, he took a really bad downward trend. But Backstrom isn't a potential hall-of-famer either...
Rinne signed his deal coming off of a Vezina win. Anderson and Brodeur both signed theirs coming off of Finals appearances.

Re: 2019-2020 Wild Season

Posted: Thu Oct 01 9:42 pm
by Vegoe
fightclub30 wrote:
Thu Oct 01 4:33 pm
J22 wrote:
Thu Oct 01 3:49 pm

Lundqvist is 38 so I can't see any team offering him anything but a 1 year deal. Also can't see him getting anything over $3M. He is best buddies with Zuccarello so I could see the outside chance that he comes to Minnesota. I would rather have Lundqvist than bringing in Fleury.
in 2017, Craig Anderson signed a 2-year deal at 37 for $4,750,000/yr
in 2018, Pekka Rinne signed a 2-year deal at 36 for $5,000,000/yr
in 2012, Brodeur signed a 2-year deal at 40 for $4,500,000/yr
in 2019, Mike Smith signed a 1-year deal at 37 for $2,000,000 + bonuses for up to $3,750,000.

That's why I was thinking $4-$5M. Is he worth that, not sure, but that is probably in the ballpark of what he gets.

I completely forgot about him breaking down and not able to answer the question about Zucc getting traded to Dallas.

When Backstrom hit 35 with the Wild, he took a really bad downward trend. But Backstrom isn't a potential hall-of-famer either...
If someone had the time, then it'd be fun to have them post all the contracts signed by players who were complicance buyouts... I'd wager it's less than a $4-$5M AAV :biggrin2:

Re: 2019-2020 Wild Season

Posted: Sat Oct 03 9:34 pm
by frozen4champs
Sounds like the Dubnyk trade talks are heating up.

Re: 2019-2020 Wild Season

Posted: Sun Oct 04 9:39 am
by team22tank
Need a reminder did the compliance buyouts around the Vegas expansion happen before or after Vegas got to pick their team?

If there is another compliance buyout and it takes place before Seattle expansion picks their team I would think it’s a no brainer to keep Parise and then buy him out at that time.

Re: 2019-2020 Wild Season

Posted: Sun Oct 04 9:50 am
by J22
team22tank wrote:
Sun Oct 04 9:39 am
Need a reminder did the compliance buyouts around the Vegas expansion happen before or after Vegas got to pick their team?

If there is another compliance buyout and it takes place before Seattle expansion picks their team I would think it’s a no brainer to keep Parise and then buy him out at that time.
There weren't any compliance buyouts linked to expansion. The last compliance buyouts coincided with the last strike/CBA negotiation.

Re: 2019-2020 Wild Season

Posted: Sun Oct 04 9:52 am
by team22tank
J22 wrote:
Sun Oct 04 9:50 am
team22tank wrote:
Sun Oct 04 9:39 am
Need a reminder did the compliance buyouts around the Vegas expansion happen before or after Vegas got to pick their team?

If there is another compliance buyout and it takes place before Seattle expansion picks their team I would think it’s a no brainer to keep Parise and then buy him out at that time.
There weren't any compliance buyouts linked to expansion. The last compliance buyouts coincided with the last strike/CBA negotiation.
That’s right.

Wouldn’t be a surprise if there is another one at some point given how last year went and highly doubtful 2020-2021 will be anything close to normal in regards to attendance.

Re: 2019-2020 Wild Season

Posted: Sun Oct 04 10:01 am
by J22
team22tank wrote:
Sun Oct 04 9:52 am
J22 wrote:
Sun Oct 04 9:50 am
team22tank wrote:
Sun Oct 04 9:39 am
Need a reminder did the compliance buyouts around the Vegas expansion happen before or after Vegas got to pick their team?

If there is another compliance buyout and it takes place before Seattle expansion picks their team I would think it’s a no brainer to keep Parise and then buy him out at that time.
There weren't any compliance buyouts linked to expansion. The last compliance buyouts coincided with the last strike/CBA negotiation.
That’s right.

Wouldn’t be a surprise if there is another one at some point given how last year went and highly doubtful 2020-2021 will be anything close to normal in regards to attendance.
I doubt it. There are a lot of teams trying to cut their losses in any way they can. They're not going to agree to a buyout that gives a serious advantage to the handful of rich teams.

Re: 2019-2020 Wild Season

Posted: Mon Oct 05 10:58 am
by YoungEagle
Trading Donato to SJ for a 3rd.

Re: 2019-2020 Wild Season

Posted: Mon Oct 05 11:03 am
by SkiUMahLaw
YoungEagle wrote:
Mon Oct 05 10:58 am
Trading Donato to SJ for a 3rd.
Seems like we are stockpiling draft picks for next year. Not a bad idea.

Not sure trading Donato for a third is good value. He is one of the few Wilds that actually goes to the net hard and isn't afraid to shoot. He's a coaches kid who plays like it. No, he isn't going to grind like Greenway, but he isn't anywhere near as big as Greenway either. I see him as an effective second/third line player.

Maybe that is why he can't stay.

Re: 2019-2020 Wild Season

Posted: Mon Oct 05 3:34 pm
by Butters Stotch
Dubnyk & a 2022 7th rounder to San Jose for a 2022 5th round pick.

**Wild also retaining about 1/2 of his salary for next season.

Re: 2019-2020 Wild Season

Posted: Mon Oct 05 4:24 pm
by Bonin21
Lol tough sale apparently

Re: 2019-2020 Wild Season

Posted: Mon Oct 05 4:32 pm
by Slap Shot
Um....

Donato was young right? And that DD trade seems awful.

Re: 2019-2020 Wild Season

Posted: Mon Oct 05 6:37 pm
by fightclub30
Slap Shot wrote:
Mon Oct 05 4:32 pm
Um....

Donato was young right? And that DD trade seems awful.
Donato was young, and wasn't going to fit here given the players in the top6 ahead of him. Was never going to work as a 3rd line guy, and I think, deserved better than 4th line minutes.

Dubnyk trade was cheaper than the likely buyout that was coming. His buyout wouldve been $2.67M cap hit this year, and a $833,333 cap hit next year and $1.67M in cash. This trade means the wild pay him $1.25M in cash and a $2.17M cap hit this year, nothing next year. So the owner saves $420,000 in cash, the Wild save $500,000 in cap hit this year and are free and clear next year. Seems like a win, he jumped at the first team willing to take him for something. ALSO this likely takes SJ out of the market for signing an available goalie giving us one less team to bid against in either trade or FA. I'll take it.

I am just fearful of going after Holtby or Fluery. I'd like one year of Lundqvist, but I realize I am in the minority there. I think Greiss is interesting (if he hits FA), and Talbot at the right price and term (not long) could be interesting. I also wonder what Columbus would take for one of their 2 goalies? Dumba? I dont think Markstrom hits the market.

My logic for not taking most of the other goalies is that they are too old. So the rational part of my brain says no way on King Henrik, but part of my thinks it would be awesome. We aren't winning the cup next year anyway, and he probably has 1 more competitive season in him like Brett Favre... Lets take one year on a wing and a prayer, haha.

Re: 2019-2020 Wild Season

Posted: Mon Oct 05 7:23 pm
by fightclub30
Vegoe wrote:
Thu Oct 01 9:42 pm

If someone had the time, then it'd be fun to have them post all the contracts signed by players who were complicance buyouts... I'd wager it's less than a $4-$5M AAV :biggrin2:
You asked...
COMPLIANCE BUYOUTS
Team - Player – Signing Age - Term - AAV (Term remaining when bought out)
BUF - Ville Leino – 27 – 6 years - $4,500,000 (3 years remaining) #
BUF - Christian Ehrhoff – 28 - 10 Years - $4,000,000 (7 years remaining)
CGY - Shane O'Brien – 28 - 3 Years - $2,000,000 (1 year remaining)
CHI - Steve Montador – 32 – 4 years - $2,750,000 (2 years remaining) # *deceased*
CHI – Rostislav Olesz – 23 – 6 years - $3,125,000 (1 year remaining) #
DAL – Aaron Rome – 28 – 3 years - $1,500,000 (1 year remaining) #
DET – Carlo Colaiacovo – 29 – 2 years - $2,500,000 (1 year remaining)
DET – Jordin Tootoo – 29 – 3 years - $1,900,000 (1 year remaining)
EDM – Eric Belanger – 33 – 3 years - $1,750,000 (1 year remaining) #
FLA – Ed Jovanovski – 34 – 4 years - $4,125,000 (1 year remaining) #
MIN – Tom Gilbert – 25 – 6 years - $4,000,000 (1 year remaining)
MTL – Scott Gomez – 27 – 7 years - $7,357,143 (1 year remaining)
MTL – Tomas Kaberle – 33 – 3 years - $4,250,000 (1 year remaining) #
NJ – Johan Hedberg – 39 – 2 years - $1,400,000 (1 year remaining) #
NJ – Anton Volchenkov – 28 – 6 years - $4,250,000 (2 years remaining)
NYI – Rick DiPietro – 24 – 15 years - $4,500,000 (8 years remaining) #
NRY – Wade Redden – 31 – 6 years - $6,500,000 (1 year remaining)
NYR – Brad Richards – 31 – 9 years - $6,666,666 (6 years remaining)
PHI – Daniel Briere – 29 – 8 years - $6,500,000 (2 years remaining)
PHI – Ilya Bryzgalov – 31 – 9 years - $4,653,333 (7 years remaining)
SJ – Martin Havlat – 28 – 6 years - $4,250,00 (1 year remaining)
TB – Vincent Lecavalier – 28 – 11 years - $7,727,272 (7 years remaining)
TB – Ryan Malone – 28 – 7 years - $4,500,000 (1 year remaining)
TOR – Mike Komisarek – 27 – 5 years - $4,300,000 (1 year remaining)
TOR – Mikhail Grabovski – 28 – 5 years - $5,500,000 (4 years remaining)
VAN – Keith Ballard – 25 – 6 years - $3,300,000 (2 years remaining)
VAN – David Booth – 24 – 6 years - $4,250,000 (1 year remaining)
WSH – Jeff Schultz – 24 – 4 years - $2,750,000 (1 year remaining)

# = Never played in NHL again after buyout

28 Contracts – Avg Signing Age = 28.6 – Avg Length = 5.89 years – Avg AAV = $4,100,157 – Avg Term left = 2.4 years

Re: 2019-2020 Wild Season

Posted: Mon Oct 05 7:30 pm
by Bonin21
You didn't pull what he's asking for.

And yes, the next contracts they sign are not gonna average anywhere close to 4-5MM. I'm not sure I even saw a 4+ one in there.

Re: 2019-2020 Wild Season

Posted: Mon Oct 05 10:10 pm
by Vegoe
Bonin21 wrote:
Mon Oct 05 7:30 pm
You didn't pull what he's asking for.

And yes, the next contracts they sign are not gonna average anywhere close to 4-5MM. I'm not sure I even saw a 4+ one in there.
I still appreciate the effort though! Makes it easier to look for the next deals and maybe I'll do that part. :dup:

Re: 2019-2020 Wild Season

Posted: Mon Oct 05 10:27 pm
by Bonin21
Easiest thing I found is to go here: https://www.capfriendly.com/buyout-history
Check the year of the buyout, then click on that player and check their next contract

Re: 2019-2020 Wild Season

Posted: Mon Oct 05 10:30 pm
by fightclub30
Vegoe wrote:
Mon Oct 05 10:10 pm
Bonin21 wrote:
Mon Oct 05 7:30 pm
You didn't pull what he's asking for.

And yes, the next contracts they sign are not gonna average anywhere close to 4-5MM. I'm not sure I even saw a 4+ one in there.
I still appreciate the effort though! Makes it easier to look for the next deals and maybe I'll do that part. :dup:
Sorry, I see what you were asking now. I wonder if the difference is compliance or not. I think some of those guys may not have been bought-out had the compliance factor not been there... but obviously I dont know for sure.

Lundqvist wasn't a compliance buyout, but clearly NYR is trying to rebuild and has a goalie waiting in the wings ready to go who is MUCH cheaper and Lundqvist was on a decline. So I think they threw him a lifeline to help them both; we want to move on, you want one more crack at a Cup. Mutually beneficial.

Some of those compliance deals were bad deals to bad players, and/or teams looking for a free out because it was available.

Lecavalier was a great player, still played a few more seasons. Signed a 5 year deal at 33, played all 5 seasons for $4.5M AAV
Briere was a really good player, still played after. Signed a 2 year deal at 36 for $4.0M AAV.
Brad Richards was a pretty good player, still played after. Signed 2 separate 1 year deals for $2.0M AAV at 34 and $4.0M AAV at 35.

I don't care what Tom Gilbert, a mediocre at best, defenseman went on to do. Or that Rick DiPietro never played again. Because it isn't comparable. What some mid-20s average NHLer signed after a team realized they over-paid him isn't the same.

I am looking at a great goaltender in the twilight of his career, praying for one competitive season let in front of one of the most defensively sound teams in the league. I think it is an least intriguing.

**As much as I want to see him here, I realize A) it probably isn't the best for this team and B) pretty unlikely to happen. I am also aware a 38 year old goalie is not a 33 or even 36 year old forward.

Re: 2019-2020 Wild Season

Posted: Mon Oct 05 10:50 pm
by Vegoe
I just think that those players getting the buyout money sometimes have a tendancy to take less money for a better situation.

Yep the Lacavlier, Richards and Briere deals came to mind.

Also thanks to the Bonin link... these other ones stood out.

Perry signing for $3.25M AAV after making $8.625M AAV.
Giradi signing for $3M AAV after making $5.5M AAV.
Bryzgalov signing for $2M AAV after making $4.65M AAV.

Feels like there is still some value out there for Henrik or some of the other players being brought up after they get bought out, if they sign for $2M-$3.25M.

Re: 2019-2020 Wild Season

Posted: Tue Oct 06 12:31 am
by Bonin21
HL is going to sign with WSH

Re: 2019-2020 Wild Season

Posted: Tue Oct 06 8:51 am
by gopher6
Bonin21 wrote:
Tue Oct 06 12:31 am
HL is going to sign with WSH
Who is that?

Re: 2019-2020 Wild Season

Posted: Tue Oct 06 9:10 am
by Bonin21
Lundqvist

Re: 2019-2020 Wild Season

Posted: Tue Oct 06 11:30 am
by bearpaw28
I think Billy G. did Donato a favor, traded him to a team that wanted him & we get 3rd rd pick tomorrow in return. As far as a Dubbs, if trading him & retaining half his salary cost the Wild less in cap hit/💵 than buying him out, makes sense financially for the Wild & Dubbs goes to someone who wants him too, plus we got a 5th next year instead of a 7th. That’s better than trading him for a bag of used hockey pucks 🤪

Re: 2019-2020 Wild Season

Posted: Tue Oct 06 2:21 pm
by Bladepuller
bearpaw28 wrote:
Tue Oct 06 11:30 am
I think Billy G. did Donato a favor, traded him to a team that wanted him & we get 3rd rd pick tomorrow in return. As far as a Dubbs, if trading him & retaining half his salary cost the Wild less in cap hit/💵 than buying him out, makes sense financially for the Wild & Dubbs goes to someone who wants him too, plus we got a 5th next year instead of a 7th. That’s better than trading him for a bag of used hockey pucks 🤪
The pick is in 2021 according to The Athletic.

Re: 2019-2020 Wild Season

Posted: Tue Oct 06 2:26 pm
by bearpaw28
Bladepuller wrote:
Tue Oct 06 2:21 pm
bearpaw28 wrote:
Tue Oct 06 11:30 am
I think Billy G. did Donato a favor, traded him to a team that wanted him & we get 3rd rd pick (in 2021) in return. As far as a Dubbs, if trading him & retaining half his salary cost the Wild less in cap hit/💵 than buying him out, makes sense financially for the Wild & Dubbs goes to someone who wants him too, plus we got a 5th next year instead of a 7th. That’s better than trading him for a bag of used hockey pucks 🤪
The pick is in 2021 according to The Athletic.
You are correct - FMP

Re: 2019-2020 Wild Season

Posted: Tue Oct 06 2:57 pm
by JWG
Happy 20th MN Wild...

Re: 2019-2020 Wild Season

Posted: Tue Oct 06 6:16 pm
by Snowcool08
Bettman says they are committed to a Jan 1 start date for next season. I wonder what that does for the Winter Classic?

Re: 2019-2020 Wild Season

Posted: Tue Oct 06 7:16 pm
by fightclub30
Wild take Marco Rossi at #9

Re: 2019-2020 Wild Season

Posted: Tue Oct 06 8:47 pm
by team22tank
Snowcool08 wrote:
Tue Oct 06 6:16 pm
Bettman says they are committed to a Jan 1 start date for next season. I wonder what that does for the Winter Classic?
I can’t imagine there is a Winter Classic this year.

Re: 2019-2020 Wild Season

Posted: Tue Oct 06 9:36 pm
by YoungEagle
fightclub30 wrote:
Tue Oct 06 7:16 pm
Wild take Marco Rossi at #9
:dup: Marco is a good hockey name. Hope it works out.

Re: 2019-2020 Wild Season

Posted: Wed Oct 07 6:18 am
by Bertogliat
Snowcool08 wrote:
Tue Oct 06 6:16 pm
Bettman says they are committed to a Jan 1 start date for next season. I wonder what that does for the Winter Classic?
They could move the Winter Classic to the pond behind my house now that they can’t have any fans at the game. Free of charge.

Re: 2019-2020 Wild Season

Posted: Wed Oct 07 9:39 am
by Vegoe
Boy... had to be nervewracking for Judd to hear Bill say they weren't moving up to grab Rossi. Got their guy, but sounds like they would have been fine getting whoever fell to them. Thanks Buffalo for taking Quinn!



Seems like Rossi is the perfect fit for the Wild. Dominating 200-foot center who was nearly 60% on draws, has put in the work during the off-season to get his body ready for pro hockey and hockey IQ that makes him an elite PP guy off the wall. Let's just roll with it and put him in the lineup right?

Kaprizov-Rossi-Fiala
Zuccarello-Johansson-Bjugstad
Greenway-Ek-Kunin
Foligno-Sturm-Hartman
Rask

Suter-Spurgeon
Brodin-Dumba
Soucy-Hunt
Belpedio

Kahkonen
Stalock

Re: 2019-2020 Wild Season

Posted: Wed Oct 07 9:50 am
by JWG
It appears that a MN team drafted well? That's outstanding.

Re: 2019-2020 Wild Season

Posted: Wed Oct 07 9:56 am
by Bonin21
How many players in the last ten years have come in and become a 1C right after being drafted?

Re: 2019-2020 Wild Season

Posted: Wed Oct 07 11:03 am
by 00xtremeninja
Kunin traded to Nashville for Bonino

Re: 2019-2020 Wild Season

Posted: Wed Oct 07 11:08 am
by Bonin21
Crazy. So is Bonino the 1C?

Re: 2019-2020 Wild Season

Posted: Wed Oct 07 11:12 am
by Bonin21
Russian Center at 37

Re: 2019-2020 Wild Season

Posted: Wed Oct 07 11:23 am
by YoungEagle
He might be for this year. Guerin is sure going to have some serious $ to spend next year.

Re: 2019-2020 Wild Season

Posted: Wed Oct 07 11:42 am
by YoungEagle
Ryan O'Rourke as described by Elite Prospects -- "On the puck, O'Rourke is mean, nasty, violent -- everything one wants from a durable, robust stay-at-home defender. His battle-level is unbelievably high. He never takes a moment off, never mind a shift, and much less an entire game. O'Rourke is a capable puck-mover, too. He consistently makes good decisions with the puck and boasts an absolutely lethal slap shot. -EliteProspects 2020 NHL Draft Guide"

I like him already

Re: 2019-2020 Wild Season

Posted: Wed Oct 07 11:51 am
by 00xtremeninja
God i love reading Twitter comments

Kunin traded = "this team is trash, not renewing season tickets, im a fan of soccer now!"

O'Rourke drafted = "hell yeah powerhouse team baby, dynasty in the making!"

Re: 2019-2020 Wild Season

Posted: Wed Oct 07 12:24 pm
by Karlsson
YoungEagle wrote:
Wed Oct 07 11:42 am
Ryan O'Rourke as described by Elite Prospects -- "On the puck, O'Rourke is mean, nasty, violent -- everything one wants from a durable, robust stay-at-home defender. His battle-level is unbelievably high. He never takes a moment off, never mind a shift, and much less an entire game. O'Rourke is a capable puck-mover, too. He consistently makes good decisions with the puck and boasts an absolutely lethal slap shot. -EliteProspects 2020 NHL Draft Guide"

I like him already
I like their description of Khusnutdinov as well:

“He plays the full 200-feet of the ice, with one of the best motors in this class. He'll relentlessly backcheck as play transitions towards the defensive zone, and his ability to track developing plays while he's skating at full speed really impressed us over the year. Khusnutdinov is also proficient at carrying the puck into the offensive zone.”

Re: 2019-2020 Wild Season

Posted: Wed Oct 07 12:27 pm
by Bonin21
Are there EP descriptions that are negative for top 50 draft prospects?

Re: 2019-2020 Wild Season

Posted: Wed Oct 07 1:35 pm
by Karlsson
Wild trade the 132nd and 70th picks to Detroit for pick 65, use said pick to draft Moose Jaw Warrior defensemen Daemon Hunt.

Edit: “HOW COULD THEY NOT TAKE BIONDI??!?” responses have begun quicker than expected.

Re: 2019-2020 Wild Season

Posted: Wed Oct 07 2:33 pm
by J22
Bonin21 wrote:
Wed Oct 07 11:08 am
Crazy. So is Bonino the 1C?
Bonino allows them to see if Eriksson-Ek can be a 2nd line center

Re: 2019-2020 Wild Season

Posted: Wed Oct 07 2:39 pm
by Bonin21
Karlsson wrote:
Wed Oct 07 1:35 pm
Edit: “HOW COULD THEY NOT TAKE BIONDI??!?” responses have begun quicker than expected.
Two MN HS forwards have been taken already before Mr Hockey.

Re: 2019-2020 Wild Season

Posted: Wed Oct 07 2:42 pm
by bearpaw28
Bonino Is 32 yrs old

Re: 2019-2020 Wild Season

Posted: Wed Oct 07 2:56 pm
by Bertogliat
bearpaw28 wrote:
Wed Oct 07 2:42 pm
Bonino Is 32 yrs old
Thanks.

Re: 2019-2020 Wild Season

Posted: Wed Oct 07 3:14 pm
by Alby22
bearpaw28 wrote:
Wed Oct 07 2:42 pm
Bonino Is 32 yrs old
Shouldn’t matter, he’s a stop gap for now in the last year of his deal that can be moved at the deadline if need be. My guess is BG is going the 8-1 route for the expansion draft and felt he needed to get something for Kunin instead of losing him to Seattle. Not sure Kunin would ever be more than a bot 6 guy so I don’t mind it, add bullets to the chamber with those pics and free up money after this year for extensions to Fiala and KK. This team is a few years away and need as many picks as possible.

Re: 2019-2020 Wild Season

Posted: Wed Oct 07 4:28 pm
by team22tank
J22 wrote:
Wed Oct 07 2:33 pm
Bonin21 wrote:
Wed Oct 07 11:08 am
Crazy. So is Bonino the 1C?
Bonino allows them to see if Eriksson-Ek can be a 2nd line center
Bonino will be fun to watch with Kaprizov and or Fiala.

The Wild’s prospect pool has never looked anything close to this. Kudos to Guerin picking up where Fenton left off.

Re: 2019-2020 Wild Season

Posted: Wed Oct 07 4:30 pm
by team22tank
Who is the next Captain?

Re: 2019-2020 Wild Season

Posted: Wed Oct 07 5:00 pm
by Butters Stotch
Vegoe wrote:
Wed Oct 07 9:39 am
Boy... had to be nervewracking for Judd to hear Bill say they weren't moving up to grab Rossi. Got their guy, but sounds like they would have been fine getting whoever fell to them. Thanks Buffalo for taking Quinn!



Seems like Rossi is the perfect fit for the Wild. Dominating 200-foot center who was nearly 60% on draws, has put in the work during the off-season to get his body ready for pro hockey and hockey IQ that makes him an elite PP guy off the wall. Let's just roll with it and put him in the lineup right?

Kaprizov-Rossi-Fiala
Zuccarello-Johansson-Bjugstad
Greenway-Ek-Kunin
Foligno-Sturm-Hartman
Rask

Suter-Spurgeon
Brodin-Dumba
Soucy-Hunt
Belpedio

Kahkonen
Stalock
No Parise?

Re: 2019-2020 Wild Season

Posted: Wed Oct 07 6:53 pm
by frozen4champs
I thought the Wild really liked Robson, but they did not tender him.

Re: 2019-2020 Wild Season

Posted: Wed Oct 07 11:17 pm
by Beauner
frozen4champs wrote:
Wed Oct 07 6:53 pm
I thought the Wild really liked Robson, but they did not tender him.
I assume that means Guerin has something in the works that he is confident about for another goalie. I doubt he wants to go into next season with Stalock and Kahkonen as the only two goalies with decent experience as a pro.

Assuming he signs or trades for a goalie with a year or two left, then runs with Kahkonen and Jones in Iowa?