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Post by Maize » Mon Feb 24 10:31 am

Offenses for Minnesota and Maryland are practically identical in terms of efficiency. Maryland's defense is top 10-20 depending on where you look(and even better against good teams), while Minnesota is 30ish, which is the disparity. Minnesota's shooting isn't great, but they've carved out a respectable offense by not turning the ball over a ton and rebounding a lot of their misses.

It's kind of crazy that even at 13-13 overall, these are some of the teams Minnesota would be betting favorites against on a neutral court:

18-10 Stanford
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Post by gopherguy06 » Wed Feb 26 9:06 pm

Minnesota up 47-31 on #9 Maryland at half

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Post by Handyman » Wed Feb 26 9:47 pm

Good lord the Gophers know it is ok to go inside right?
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Post by Bigbeer » Wed Feb 26 9:49 pm

Oturu dominating
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Post by Bigbeer » Wed Feb 26 9:52 pm

Bunch of ugly offensive possessions
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Post by Handyman » Wed Feb 26 9:53 pm

Problem is no one else is. The team is making just dumb decisions every time down the court right now.
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Post by Handyman » Wed Feb 26 9:57 pm

Choke job in full effect.
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Post by Bigbeer » Wed Feb 26 10:03 pm

Please stop getting Demir shots
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Post by Handyman » Wed Feb 26 10:10 pm

Come on now hold this...
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Post by Handyman » Wed Feb 26 10:16 pm

Carr is making some of the dumbest decisions I have seen. Good God...
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Post by ex_goldy » Wed Feb 26 10:23 pm

If they had hit any of the threes they threw up with 2 minutes left it wouldn’t be close. No Choke!

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Post by Bigbeer » Wed Feb 26 10:24 pm

Great defensive play by Kalscheur
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Post by Handyman » Wed Feb 26 10:27 pm

Carr misses the front end of the one and one and Maryland pulls with in two. This is not my favorite game of his...

And can we stop with the reviews. This game is taking way too long.
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Post by Handyman » Wed Feb 26 10:29 pm

Wow epic choke. This game is the perfect example of the Pitino era and why it needs to end.
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Post by Bigbeer » Wed Feb 26 10:30 pm

Oh my
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Post by JWG » Wed Feb 26 10:30 pm

Losing on poor free throw shooting. Shocking.
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Post by Beauner » Wed Feb 26 10:31 pm

Make a frickin FT
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Post by ex_goldy » Wed Feb 26 10:34 pm

Do they feel like a cat toy? Just toying with them then they just blow them out like a candle. Wow, missing those free throws and all those three pointers, humiliating. Wonder if coach Pitino will get the blame.

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Post by JWG » Wed Feb 26 10:36 pm

Went to my first game in about 10 years. I’m good for another 10.
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Post by Beauner » Wed Feb 26 10:44 pm

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Wow epic choke. This game is the perfect example of the Pitino era and why it needs to end.
For who?
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Post by JWG » Wed Feb 26 10:51 pm

I get the feeling Pitino gets one more year. I get the feeling this pushes Coyle to find his BBall coach but he doesn’t have him yet. Hence one more year as Coyle seems to get that done first.

But if you can’t do it next season we can’t just continue to accept 10-14th in the B1G. I don’t care what history shows about our finished the past 20 years, we need to change history.
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Wow epic choke. This game is the perfect example of the Pitino era and why it needs to end.
For who?
I don't care. These late game collapses are on him. Christ we can't even in bound the ball let alone run a coherent offensive set.

The guys recruiting is suspect and his in game decion making is atrocious. The players look ready to lose its just sad.
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Post by Handyman » Wed Feb 26 10:59 pm

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I get the feeling Pitino gets one more year. I get the feeling this pushes Coyle to find his BBall coach but he doesn’t have him yet. Hence one more year as Coyle seems to get that done first.

But if you can’t do it next season we can’t just continue to accept 10-14th in the B1G. I don’t care what history shows about our finished the past 20 years, we need to change history.
Not likely. Attendance will crap the bed and if Oturu goes pro we are gonna be awful.

Coyle is proactive he won't sit on his hands.
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Post by Beauner » Wed Feb 26 11:13 pm

Handyman wrote:
Wed Feb 26 10:57 pm
Beauner wrote:
Wed Feb 26 10:44 pm
Handyman wrote:
Wed Feb 26 10:29 pm
Wow epic choke. This game is the perfect example of the Pitino era and why it needs to end.
For who?
I don't care. These late game collapses are on him. Christ we can't even in bound the ball let alone run a coherent offensive set.

The guys recruiting is suspect and his in game decion making is atrocious. The players look ready to lose its just sad.
I have a hard time blaming a coach for a collapse when you have two players miss the front end of a 1 and 1 with a 2 and 3 point lead with under two minutes left. Both guys are 75-80% FT shooters too. Guys you'd typically want on the line. Just MHO.

Does he miss on recruits? Sure. But he also got Coffey and Oturu and Carr. All of them are extremely good players. Ihnen looks like he's hitting his stride a little more each game (he needs to hit the weight room this summer though).

I'm not a huge fan of some of his coaching decisions, like letting the Terps roll the ball to half court instead of pressing the ball with a lead (but 99% of coaches do that it seems like). But at the same time he's also going to likely have two guys in a row go to the NBA early which hasn't happened since...? Last Gopher I remember leaving early to go pro was Humphries. And Rickert before that (🤣🤣). That type of thing matters to recruits. Putting guys into the next level somewhat consistently is big for a program.

My concern is that we fire a guy who has had moderate success here (2/3 years in the dance) and go backwards a la Mason to Brewster.

If Texas axes Shaka, as is rumored, do you want him even though his star has fizzled quite considerably?
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Post by Handyman » Wed Feb 26 11:42 pm

No to Shaka. He is a small school coach. Same as Pitino...

The FTs aren't on him...but how about all the wasted possessions we saw down the stretch? How about the inability to inbound the ball? How about the not having enough depth to take Carr out when he is a turnover machine? How about how every team no matter the talent seems to have the same core issues?

Look we are gonna stink next year anyways most likely...what is the point of keeping him around? We fired Tubby for the same issues.

And Coyle is not Maturi, he won't fire Pitino and then cross his fingers. He has said he already has names to replace eBay coach...after three choke jobs (which will cost him a Tourny shot) my guess is the calls will be en mass tomorrow.
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Post by JWG » Wed Feb 26 11:48 pm

Coyle was the game. Sitting about 5 rows up behind the Gopher bench.

And I will put the free throws on Pitino. Not the two key misses specifically, but 61% shooting from the line and the recurring issue free throws cost us in multiple games...

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Post by Slap Shot » Thu Feb 27 2:28 am

I saw the halftime score and went to be feeling confident. Yikes.

Pitino needs to go.
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Post by Dances With Gophers » Thu Feb 27 4:30 am

The floor in Williams Arena is raised because it's built directly atop an old Ojibwe burial mound.

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This drives me insane. To have a lead with the clock as your ally, make them work to get the ball across half court.
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Post by Maize » Thu Feb 27 8:38 am

Absolutely brutal...

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I've been in the "one more year" camp for most of the season, but I think last night, barring Minnesota winning the next five in a row to make the tournament, is probably the end for Pitino. At this point, it is what it is, and what it is just isn't good enough.

Letting them roll the ball up the floor doesn't bother me as much. If you force them to pick it up, you're only burning a second or two because they'll bring the ball up the floor quicker and you risk the guy on the ball being out of position or committing a bad foul(which Kalscheur did anyway; that probably deserves more blame.)

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These season is basically done and the chance of the tournament is almost all but gone. I am thinking Oturu leaves and if by chance he comes back, we may have a decent team or will be starting over. I am in the boat it is time to move on, but unless you have a coach who is your top 1 or 2 pick ready to commit, don't waste your time. Pitiino has had some highs with his time here including a number of tournament teams, but the misses on the recruiting front in the state and ability to consistently win/develop has been less than stellar. We don't need to get a team full of MN kids, but the misses the last 2-3 seasons have been crazy. I don't expect a Tyus Jones to come here, but we keep losing recruiting battles to other schools and not many of the locals want to play for him.

I heard someone mention John Beilein as an option and not sure I love it. He was a great coach, but struggled with Michigan in the last couple of years.

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Post by ScoobyDoo » Thu Feb 27 8:54 am

I like Pitino. This is another big downer for me.
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These season is basically done and the chance of the tournament is almost all but gone. I am thinking Oturu leaves and if by chance he comes back, we may have a decent team or will be starting over. I am in the boat it is time to move on, but unless you have a coach who is your top 1 or 2 pick ready to commit, don't waste your time. Pitiino has had some highs with his time here including a number of tournament teams, but the misses on the recruiting front in the state and ability to consistently win/develop has been less than stellar. We don't need to get a team full of MN kids, but the misses the last 2-3 seasons have been crazy. I don't expect a Tyus Jones to come here, but we keep losing recruiting battles to other schools and not many of the locals want to play for him.

I heard someone mention John Beilein as an option and not sure I love it. He was a great coach, but struggled with Michigan in the last couple of years.
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Post by Handyman » Thu Feb 27 9:53 am

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I like Pitino. This is another big downer for me.
Me too. I cut him as much slack as possible but literally everything we ripped Tubby for Pitino is rippable for too. I still maintain part of that is just issues at the U but that doesnt excuse the obvious issues with him as the coach. He has had 7 years we know exactly what we have with him. If next year was shaping up to be special I could hear the arguments...but the only way that happens is if Oturu comes back. If the team is gonna stink I would rather it be because of a rebuild.

I wish I followed college basketball like I used to because I would have names maybe but I dont. I know the names that seem to get brought up the most dont really excite me much but I also dont know a heckuva lot about them. Everyone talks about Beilein but I honestly have very little interest. (I think he will be a Tubby situation) Eric Musselman is a year into his stint at Arkansas (with a $5 million buyout) and a lot of the smaller school coaches I know nothing about. Brian Dutcher is having a helluva year at San Diego State (and is getting paid nothing) but I dont know if he has any interest coming back to the midwest even with the U being his alma mater.

I dunno...I know Coyle has a list of guys he will call if he is serious. I know the U has more money to throw around than it did and that renovations to Williams are something they are actively discussing. If they want donations for that I think Pitino is going to have to go.
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Post by Handyman » Thu Feb 27 10:03 am

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This drives me insane. To have a lead with the clock as your ally, make them work to get the ball across half court.
Yeah I was watching with a buddy at the bar and he was just laughing at the stupidity of that. He was also upset because I bet him $5 the Gophs would lose when the lead would got knocked down to 6. It was obvious to me the Gophers were done. Carr couldnt make a smart decision to save his life, they had zero ability to get the ball inside and their jump shot selections were awful.

The amazing thing about the season is we have arguably one of the best big men in the Big Ten, a guy who is going to be in the NBA most likely next year, and at least half the game (especially at the end) we never really attempt to get him the ball. There is no excuse for that. There is no excuse for us only shooting one and ones at the end. We should have been forcing the issue. Not Marcus Carr mind you but how about instead of doing the 4 corners and stall technique you get the ball to your best player and have him challenge the hoop? Every Pitino team has been like this and it drives me crazy. They never attack the weakness of the other team and they never play to their strengths. They try to be a little bit of everything and hope something works. As I say alot that might work at FAU or in the Mountain West but in the Big Ten that will get you killed.
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These season is basically done and the chance of the tournament is almost all but gone. I am thinking Oturu leaves and if by chance he comes back, we may have a decent team or will be starting over. I am in the boat it is time to move on, but unless you have a coach who is your top 1 or 2 pick ready to commit, don't waste your time. Pitiino has had some highs with his time here including a number of tournament teams, but the misses on the recruiting front in the state and ability to consistently win/develop has been less than stellar. We don't need to get a team full of MN kids, but the misses the last 2-3 seasons have been crazy. I don't expect a Tyus Jones to come here, but we keep losing recruiting battles to other schools and not many of the locals want to play for him.

I heard someone mention John Beilein as an option and not sure I love it. He was a great coach, but struggled with Michigan in the last couple of years.
He didn't struggle with Michigan. he had them in the NCAA Championship game. But he will have other options if he wants it
I meant, Michigan hasn't been as dominate recently. Yeah, they played Nova in 18, but yeah, he will get another opportunity. Just not sure who else is out there.

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This drives me insane. To have a lead with the clock as your ally, make them work to get the ball across half court.
Yeah I was watching with a buddy at the bar and he was just laughing at the stupidity of that. He was also upset because I bet him $5 the Gophs would lose when the lead would got knocked down to 6. It was obvious to me the Gophers were done. Carr couldnt make a smart decision to save his life, they had zero ability to get the ball inside and their jump shot selections were awful.

The amazing thing about the season is we have arguably one of the best big men in the Big Ten, a guy who is going to be in the NBA most likely next year, and at least half the game (especially at the end) we never really attempt to get him the ball. There is no excuse for that. There is no excuse for us only shooting one and ones at the end. We should have been forcing the issue. Not Marcus Carr mind you but how about instead of doing the 4 corners and stall technique you get the ball to your best player and have him challenge the hoop? Every Pitino team has been like this and it drives me crazy. They never attack the weakness of the other team and they never play to their strengths. They try to be a little bit of everything and hope something works. As I say alot that might work at FAU or in the Mountain West but in the Big Ten that will get you killed.
In fairness to Carr and Pitino, Oturu did have 5 shot attempts in the second half not including the hailmary buzzerbeater, 6 if you count that (13 total in the game) plus a couple pairs of FTs. He also turned it over twice (his only two turnovers). They didn't necessarily go away from him. But Maryland also adapted to it and doubled him and the refs let Maryland get a lot more physical with him (my UND fan buddy texted me asking how the hell the refs didn't call Maryland for a foul on the guy climbing up his back at the end of the game).
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Post by Handyman » Thu Feb 27 12:24 pm

Sorry but that isn't enough. You feed him all game. If you are banking on Carr and Gabe to win you already lost.

You ever notice other teams adjust and we don't? You ever notice Carr plays like 40 minutes a game even when we lead big? (which is why he is worthless at the end of games). That is on Pitino.

I mean Maryland wasnt exactly shooting the lights or in the second half...we just made every wrong decision you can make.
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Post by JWG » Thu Feb 27 12:40 pm

Our shooting fell off notably in the 2nd half. MD got us with defense, not by improving their offense. We don't have the bench strength necessary to let guys rest. Our top 3 are playing 38-40 minutes a game, so they get tired and teams press hard in the 2nd half.

It's frustrating because it was a decent game and the crowd was good until they started reviewing every single call - which killed all momentum for fans and the team. Didn't go expecting to win so a 74-73 loss to MD isn't a shocker, actually if you didn't watch it's pretty good looking. This team is the best 20-minute team in basketball.
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Post by Slap Shot » Thu Feb 27 12:47 pm

Guessing FT% (something I pointed to before the game could be a difference maker since the FG% for both teams have been nearly identical) was not helpful.
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Post by JWG » Thu Feb 27 12:49 pm

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Guessing FT% (something I pointed to before the game could be a difference maker since the FG% for both teams have been nearly identical) was not helpful.
Well, 61% isn't helpful. They were 6 of 11 at one point.
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Guessing FT% (something I pointed to before the game could be a difference maker since the FG% for both teams have been nearly identical) was not helpful.
That (at least last night) was more than overcome by the Gophers making 10/24 from 3pt range compared to Maryland's 6/28.

The bigger problem last night was Maryland had 20something offensive rebounds. Tough to beat a high quality opponent when you give then 20 second chances.
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Our shooting fell off notably in the 2nd half. MD got us with defense, not by improving their offense. We don't have the bench strength necessary to let guys rest. Our top 3 are playing 38-40 minutes a game, so they get tired and teams press hard in the 2nd half.

It's frustrating because it was a decent game and the crowd was good until they started reviewing every single call - which killed all momentum for fans and the team. Didn't go expecting to win so a 74-73 loss to MD isn't a shocker, actually if you didn't watch it's pretty good looking. This team is the best 20-minute team in basketball.
Saw on twitter that the last minute of game time took 16 minutes to finish because of all the dumbass reviews.

They need to do something to get rid of that. It's so brutal.
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My buddy and I were going to leave with 5 to play. He wanted to watch the end. I said that was a mistake. Half hour later we were still at the bar...

Look I get some of the reviews...but they reviewed it when the ref was right in front of the play next to where the ball was inbounded. Stevie Wonder would have seen that correctly. Review should be used when it is a tough call or the ref is out of position...not because it was close and the ref is afraid to make it definitive.
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Post by Vegasgopher » Thu Feb 27 7:10 pm

Such a disheartening loss. Wouldn't be so bad if wasn't the 3rd one at home recently. Just like the Iowa game, out of gas at the end, their best players have to play the whole game to compete...They are 1 good player away (Coffey)...

Don't think 25 touched it the last few minutes, probably not a good plan...if he stays they basically have the same team back a year older, stronger and better plus whatever comes in... if he leaves not good

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Post by sunbone » Thu Feb 27 7:23 pm

I initially hated the Pitino hire. Both the choice and how it was made. The first few seasons confirmed my initial feeling. Then I felt like he was actually learning on the job, figuring some things out, and with some patience maybe he could turn into a decent coach for this program. The way this season has gone down the stretch has me doubting if he is the long term solution. Unfortunately. Was really hoping a young guy like him could grow the program and build it up. But the same issues keep coming up over and over again. At least this time if we do decide to move on I’m confident the process of hiring a new coach won’t be a complete fiasco like last time.

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Are home NIT games good like bowl practices??? lol

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Post by Bigbeer » Thu Feb 27 7:28 pm

All of you that are losing your $h!t about how many stoppages there were on OB possession reviews in the last minute would also be flipping out that we got screwed out of a win if any of those calls were wrong in real time. They got them right, that’s the way it has to be now....too bad so sad
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Post by Maize » Thu Feb 27 9:24 pm

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Didn't go expecting to win so a 74-73 loss to MD isn't a shocker, actually if you didn't watch it's pretty good looking.
It's not shocking they lost, but Minnesota was favored to win that game.
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I heard someone mention John Beilein as an option and not sure I love it. He was a great coach, but struggled with Michigan in the last couple of years.
In his last three seasons at Michigan they went: Sweet Sixteen, national runner-up, Sweet Sixteen, with two Big Ten tournament titles.
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Beilein is an incredible coach, and if he was actually interested in coaching another five years and coming to Minnesota, I think he'd be a no-brainer. Regardless, I think Minnesota's hire should be someone in that vein. The mistake they've made the past two hires is going for the biggest "name" they can get in hopes that they could draw talent, because of the massive inferiority complex this state has when it comes to sports. Wisconsin and Iowa(offense only) are basically in the same, if not in a worse, position compared to Minnesota, but both have been so much better at developing the players they get and running a system to make them successful. Find someone that can do that and the recruiting pizzazz takes care of itself.

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All of you that are losing your $h!t about how many stoppages there were on OB possession reviews in the last minute would also be flipping out that we got screwed out of a win if any of those calls were wrong in real time. They got them right, that’s the way it has to be now....too bad so sad
Most of them didn't need to be reviewed. They were blatantly obvious and the ref called it right cause he saw it right in front of his face.

I have no issues with reviews in theory...but they didn't need to review any of those calls outside of the out of bounds where both teams touched it at the same time. Replay should be used for stuff like that or when refs are out of position. Not just because the ref is too chicken bleep to call what he actually saw.

Sorry but you are wrong. I accept bad calls happen. Big Ten refs are "look at me" refs and they now have even more reason to call attention to themselves and ruin the game.

Not to mention most of the calls seemed to go or way so you're whole theory is just of base.
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Post by Beauner » Fri Feb 28 7:32 am

The reviews are just obnoxious because it takes all flow and rhythm out of the game. Most of them don't change the call anyways. It just gives teams free timeouts and kills any momentum.
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Post by ex_goldy » Fri Feb 28 8:04 am

Basketball timeouts kill the game. Teams should get one timeout in last two minutes, no more. The last timeout Maryland brings out folding chairs to the Middle of the court, what is the reason for that? get off the court, keep it clean and keep the game moving!

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Post by Maize » Fri Feb 28 10:18 am

The only review I really hate is when the defender slaps the ball out of a guy's hand and out of bounds, and then they spend five minutes reviewing frame-by-frame to determine if the ball was on the offensive player's finger for a microsecond longer after the defensive player knocked it away.

Minnesota did have one of those calls go against them down the stretch, although in that instance, the officials got the initial call wrong, so at least it was confirming the wrong call instead of over-turning the correct call.

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Post by Beauner » Fri Feb 28 10:30 am

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The only review I really hate is when the defender slaps the ball out of a guy's hand and out of bounds, and then they spend five minutes reviewing frame-by-frame to determine if the ball was on the offensive player's finger for a microsecond longer after the defensive player knocked it away.

Minnesota did have one of those calls go against them down the stretch, although in that instance, the officials got the initial call wrong, so at least it was confirming the wrong call instead of over-turning the correct call.
This is my biggest pet peeve. Then having to listen to the announcers arguing about whether player A's hand was on the ball a split second longer than player B's when player B punched it out of his hand. Player B is the cause of the ball going OB. It shouldn't make a difference if player A's hangnail on his pinky finger was in contact for .05 sedonds longer as the ball spun out of bounds.
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Post by Composer » Fri Feb 28 10:46 am

This is why I like that Baseball is only giving teams 20 seconds to request replay this year. They won't have time to clearly identify situations like that and some of those "fingernail" type differences won't get reviewed.

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Post by Handyman » Fri Feb 28 12:05 pm

Beauner wrote:
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The only review I really hate is when the defender slaps the ball out of a guy's hand and out of bounds, and then they spend five minutes reviewing frame-by-frame to determine if the ball was on the offensive player's finger for a microsecond longer after the defensive player knocked it away.

Minnesota did have one of those calls go against them down the stretch, although in that instance, the officials got the initial call wrong, so at least it was confirming the wrong call instead of over-turning the correct call.
This is my biggest pet peeve. Then having to listen to the announcers arguing about whether player A's hand was on the ball a split second longer than player B's when player B punched it out of his hand. Player B is the cause of the ball going OB. It shouldn't make a difference if player A's hangnail on his pinky finger was in contact for .05 sedonds longer as the ball spun out of bounds.
Those are just painful to watch.
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Post by Bigbeer » Sun Mar 01 7:49 pm

Another tough close loss, this team just can’t put it together in the last 5 minutes of games
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Had the lead with less than a minute to go. As with every season, they’re one player away... ...still.
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Post by Bonin21 » Sun Mar 01 7:59 pm

Well I mean they have no bench so it's probably more than one...
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Post by Beauner » Sun Mar 01 8:51 pm

Pretty brutal no jump ball call on the rebound that let Sconnie ice it. Willis clearly had two hands on it.
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Post by midevil bowievil » Mon Mar 02 12:25 am

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Pretty brutal no jump ball call on the rebound that let Sconnie ice it. Willis clearly had two hands on it.
Yes, that was terrible. Oturu was fouled on the arm on his attempt too.

You guys think that was tough to watch? I caught the last 5:00 of the Gopher women vs Maryland. Absolutely brutal. I hope none of our starters were out there. So many middle school bb mistakes. :chainsaw:

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Grab your popcorn?


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Post by Beauner » Mon Mar 02 12:54 pm

I mean, Ihnen has come leaps and bounds since the year started.

As for Kelly's response - watch any college basketball game. There is almost 0 interaction between head coach and assistants on the bench. She's not exactly breaking news.
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Post by Maize » Mon Mar 02 2:00 pm

Honestly, it's insane how many minutes Tre Williams has played for how bad he is.

EDIT: Yeah, just checked and he's literally the second-worst player in the Big Ten getting at least 40% of his team's minutes.

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I mean, Ihnen has come leaps and bounds since the year started.

As for Kelly's response - watch any college basketball game. There is almost 0 interaction between head coach and assistants on the bench. She's not exactly breaking news.
Not sure if you caught this, but the significance of her comment is that she is Tre Williams mom.

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Post by Bertogliat » Mon Mar 02 2:48 pm

GopherPete wrote:
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I mean, Ihnen has come leaps and bounds since the year started.

As for Kelly's response - watch any college basketball game. There is almost 0 interaction between head coach and assistants on the bench. She's not exactly breaking news.
Not sure if you caught this, but the significance of her comment is that she is Tre Williams mom.
Look at the punctuation. This is clearly 16161617 pretending to be Tre's mom......or maybe they are one in the same?

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GopherPete wrote:
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I mean, Ihnen has come leaps and bounds since the year started.

As for Kelly's response - watch any college basketball game. There is almost 0 interaction between head coach and assistants on the bench. She's not exactly breaking news.
Not sure if you caught this, but the significance of her comment is that she is Tre Williams mom.
Yeah i saw that. Which makes me laugh because he's shooting 28% from the field with a 1:1 assist to turnover ratio in 17 minutes a game. Which i assume is the most MPG of any bench guy on the team.
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Post by Handyman » Mon Mar 02 9:43 pm

Well who else would you play? Pitino has put the roster together so badly I am not sure anyone deserves minutes. And while Ihnen has improved (I wouldnt say leaps and bounds personally) for every example like him there is a Michael Hurt or any number of guys who stink their whole time here.

Pitino is good at putting together a starting lineup...but there is a reason Marcus Carr plays 37 minutes a game and it isnt because he is clutch when the game is on the line. (though he might be if he ever got to rest during the game) Pitino's failure is directly correlated with two things: his lack of any real identity and his inability to recruit any depth whatsoever. Because of that even when players do get better they are hampered by the rest of the team being mediocre.
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Well who else would you play? Pitino has put the roster together so badly I am not sure anyone deserves minutes. And while Ihnen has improved (I wouldnt say leaps and bounds personally) for every example like him there is a Michael Hurt or any number of guys who stink their whole time here.

Pitino is good at putting together a starting lineup...but there is a reason Marcus Carr plays 37 minutes a game and it isnt because he is clutch when the game is on the line. (though he might be if he ever got to rest during the game) Pitino's failure is directly correlated with two things: his lack of any real identity and his inability to recruit any depth whatsoever. Because of that even when players do get better they are hampered by the rest of the team being mediocre.
Oh I'm not saying there's a better option. And Williams has had some big moments. Its just amusing to see somebody vaguely griping about his playing time when he's the backup to Carr/Willis and hasn't been consistently good at any point of the season.

Don't get me started on Carr's minutes. I'm too tired to get riled up on that right now.🤣 There have been many times where I've said to the TV "Ok here's a great time to sit him for 2-3 minutes of game action which can be more like 10 minutes of real time" (like around the mandatory TV breaks). Do that once in each half and he's bound to be more fresh late in the game.

As for the depth: Curry's complete inability to stay healthy really hurts the front court. He's taking up a scholarship and hasn't played for basically 3 seasons IIRC. With limited rosters and scholarships, having one of them essentially burned for 3 years definitely doesn't help. Hurt has been basically as useful as a poopy flavored lollipop.

It's not like football where you get 25 (or more) a year, as i know you're aware of. That's why missing on a kid that doesn't end up transferring is really killer. Especially at a program like MN where we're not getting the top 20 players in the nation every year or even every other year that can basically win games by themselves. I have high hopes for Ihnen and the guards overall look promising heading into the 2020-21 season. If Oturu comes back it will likely be the deepest team Pitino has had here (faint praise, I know).

Thankfully some guys see the light and move on (Washington) and free up the scholarship to use on someone else, but Minnesota can't really afford to burn scholarships with where they are in the national picture right now, and unfortunately they have been doing just that.
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Post by gopherguy06 » Wed Mar 04 11:00 pm

Another day, another loss. Didn't watch this game but at half we were leading 34-32 and lost another close one.

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Post by Beauner » Thu Mar 05 1:09 pm

gopherguy06 wrote:
Wed Mar 04 11:00 pm
Another day, another loss. Didn't watch this game but at half we were leading 34-32 and lost another close one.

With a 72-67 loss to Indiana, the #Gophers men’s basketball team has locked in a 12th-place finish
Oturu had a miserable game offensively. He was 11/27 from the field last night. Most of those shots were in the paint/layups too. He also had 4 turnovers (one wasn't really a bad play on his part, just some bad luck, but the other three were). He was 2/5 from the line too.

Gophers got down 25-15 early in the first before Ihnen and Willis started draining 3s - Ihnen made one right before half to give them a lead.

They were down 63-57 with about 5 minutes left before a couple back to back brutal misses by Oturu (including a dunk).

I will say he was an absolute monster on the glass (7 offensive rebounds) but 11/27 against a team without a real good big man is pretty terrible.

I'd still expect him to go pro but I think his odds of getting drafted are probably lower than Coffey's, especially with the NBA moving farther away from traditional big men.

I will add: this was probably the least impactful game I've seen Carr have since the Big Ten play started. 6pts and 5 assists is not a typical Carr game.
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Post by Maize » Thu Mar 05 1:41 pm

For all the people that wanted them to feed Oturu more, this was your game. Oturu had a season-high 43% usage, with nobody else above 18%. He wasn't great, but there are diminishing returns when you get that high, unless you're that guy from Marquette. Carr had his lowest usage of the season and wasn't that efficient. Gophers need Carr to take a lot of possessions and be effective or they don't have much hope. Everybody else isn't good enough to create a good opportunity for themselves, and Pitino can't run anything to get them open looks.

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Post by Handyman » Thu Mar 05 2:31 pm

I dont want them to feed it to him all the time...but when they go on their inevitable 8 minutes of stupid jump shots that happens every game (this coincides with their "not scoring and letting the other team back in the game" stretch) it might help to throw it to him and force the team to actually play defense. Or when, say, the other teams big men are in foul trouble.

See the problem is the Gophers arent a good jump shooting team. Despite that they always seem (no matter who the PG is) to go away from their strength and just pass the ball around the perimeter looking for an open shot. It rarely works. It is why we suck against a basic zone defense because we cant even take advantage of the open shots we get.

Hell, how about just playing an inside-out game? Oturu down low passing it out to the perimeter forcing the D to move around. It drove me nuts when we had Murphy and we never did that either. Adapt to the defense. If they are over-covering Oturu use him to force an opening somewhere else. Basic strategy.

I didnt watch the game though...in truth I forgot about it because I am just so apathetic and want the season to be over.
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Post by Chris83 » Thu Mar 05 2:55 pm

"Lead Early, Collapse Late". We gotta have enough episodes of this for syndication by now.
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