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Re: Minnesota Twins 2014-2020: Here's Your Damn Thread

Post by frozen4champs » Tue Jan 14 7:00 pm

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Re: Minnesota Twins 2014-2020: Here's Your Damn Thread

Post by Bigbeer » Tue Jan 14 7:15 pm

What happened to $100-104 mil? Will be interesting today see how this shook out.
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Re: Minnesota Twins 2014-2020: Here's Your Damn Thread

Post by Vegasgopher » Tue Jan 14 7:17 pm

Well...winning 8-6 is the same as 2-1...nab a huge name pitcher at the deadline and....ohhhh boy we could be good

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Re: Minnesota Twins 2014-2020: Here's Your Damn Thread

Post by Don Adams Wheel of Justice » Tue Jan 14 7:25 pm

Bigbeer wrote:
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What happened to $100-104 mil? Will be interesting today see how this shook out.
Cheap Pohlads wouldn't go above 92 million?

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Post by Bigbeer » Tue Jan 14 7:33 pm

Looks like 4 years at 84 mil and if we pick up the 5th year option and he hits all the escalators it would be 5 year 104mil, if not a 8mil 5th year buyout would make it 4 year 92mil

2nd biggest deal for a player over 33 in history
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Post by gopherguy06 » Tue Jan 14 7:41 pm

4 year 92 million with a 5th year option

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Post by Border Gopher » Tue Jan 14 7:44 pm

Guessing we have to forfeit a draft pick since he rejected ATL's qualifying offer? 2nd round pick maybe?
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Post by frozen4champs » Tue Jan 14 7:45 pm

Insert Gonzalez ( if they trade Rosario)


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Sure as soon as the news breaks GPL goes down. I had all sorts of awesome Ric Flair woooooos lined up.

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Re: Minnesota Twins 2014-2020: Here's Your Damn Thread

Post by Beauner » Tue Jan 14 7:54 pm

Bigbeer wrote:
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What happened to $100-104 mil? Will be interesting today see how this shook out.
I'd guess the 5th year option made it a bit more appealing.
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Post by Bigbeer » Tue Jan 14 7:57 pm

Beauner wrote:
Tue Jan 14 7:54 pm
Bigbeer wrote:
Tue Jan 14 7:15 pm
What happened to $100-104 mil? Will be interesting today see how this shook out.
I'd guess the 5th year option made it a bit more appealing.
I assumed the option is the Twins? It’s basically a 4yr 92 mil deal, but a few days ago they were saying both the Twins and Braves were offering 4yr 100mil and one would have to add a million a year to get him....guess not.
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Post by frozen4champs » Tue Jan 14 8:01 pm

Bigbeer wrote:
Tue Jan 14 7:57 pm
Beauner wrote:
Tue Jan 14 7:54 pm
Bigbeer wrote:
Tue Jan 14 7:15 pm
What happened to $100-104 mil? Will be interesting today see how this shook out.
I'd guess the 5th year option made it a bit more appealing.
I assumed the option is the Twins? It’s basically a 4yr 92 mil deal, but a few days ago they were saying both the Twins and Braves were offering 4yr 100mil and one would have to add a million a year to get him....guess not.

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Post by Vegasgopher » Tue Jan 14 8:06 pm

Guy's got a major motor and some sandpaper...good get

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Post by sunbone » Tue Jan 14 8:11 pm

Are we still boycotting?

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Post by Iceburg » Tue Jan 14 8:18 pm

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Are we still boycotting?
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Post by bearpaw28 » Tue Jan 14 8:34 pm

Nice to see Falvine finally spend that Joe Mauer 💰😉. In all seriousness, a nice move in the right direction by the Twins 👍

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Re: Minnesota Twins 2014-2020: Here's Your Damn Thread

Post by Alby22 » Tue Jan 14 8:37 pm

I have to admit I’m surprised and happy about the signing. He will fit in great in the lineup and defensively. Hopefully the FO will still aggressively pursue a trade for a starting pitcher still. They can dangle Rosario And/or some of their high end prospects for a Really good young pitcher with a couple years of team control still.

Either way the FO deserves some credit for the signing.

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Re: Minnesota Twins 2014-2020: Here's Your Damn Thread

Post by Border Gopher » Tue Jan 14 9:11 pm

From Gleeman's latest article:
Donaldson has been an MVP-caliber player in six of his seven full seasons, winning the award in 2015 and placing among the top five two other times. He’s topped 5.0 Wins Above Replacement six times since 2013, which is once more than all Twins hitters combined during the same period. Donaldson would have led the Twins in WAR in 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016, and 2019, finishing 0.1 WAR short of leading them in 2017 too. His total of 43.6 WAR since 2013 trails only Mike Trout among all major-leaguers, and only Trout has more seasons with at least 5.0 WAR since 2013.
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Not the player I wanted but hey I will take more 5 home run games. :dup:
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Post by Cowgirl » Tue Jan 14 9:35 pm

I’m surprised nobody has complained that he’s not a pitcher. 😆

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Post by Greyeagle » Tue Jan 14 9:40 pm

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I’m surprised nobody has complained that he’s not a pitcher. 😆
6:56. :mrgreen: :lol: ;)
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I’m surprised nobody has complained that he’s not a pitcher. 😆
6:56. :mrgreen: :lol: ;)
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I hinted at it...but hard to hate the addition to the lineup whether I want pitching more or not.
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Post by Beauner » Tue Jan 14 10:45 pm

Locking him up long term, IMHO, means they may be more willing to part with Kiriloff in a trade for a high end SP, unless a team is hot after Rosario.
We'll see what happens now.
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Post by Chris83 » Wed Jan 15 6:52 am

He doesn't have any history of sign stealing, does he? :wink:
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Post by Steve MN » Wed Jan 15 8:27 am

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I hinted at it...but hard to hate the addition to the lineup whether I want pitching more or not.
Rather disturbing how I find myself agreeing with you recently... some weird warping of reality or something, I guess.

And yes, I can be disappointed in the lack of pitching help arranged so far, but still be happy with this pickup.
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Post by Handyman » Wed Jan 15 8:46 am

Steve MN wrote:
Wed Jan 15 8:27 am
Handyman wrote:
Tue Jan 14 10:41 pm
I hinted at it...but hard to hate the addition to the lineup whether I want pitching more or not.
Rather disturbing how I find myself agreeing with you recently... some weird warping of reality or something, I guess.
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Post by Greyeagle » Wed Jan 15 9:13 am

Steve MN wrote:
Wed Jan 15 8:27 am
Handyman wrote:
Tue Jan 14 10:41 pm
I hinted at it...but hard to hate the addition to the lineup whether I want pitching more or not.
Rather disturbing how I find myself agreeing with you recently... some weird warping of reality or something, I guess.
Don't worry, if Handy senses you are agreeing with him he'll change his argument to ensure he remains contrary. :lol: :confused2: ;)
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Post by Steve MN » Wed Jan 15 9:16 am

Handyman wrote:
Wed Jan 15 8:46 am
Steve MN wrote:
Wed Jan 15 8:27 am
Handyman wrote:
Tue Jan 14 10:41 pm
I hinted at it...but hard to hate the addition to the lineup whether I want pitching more or not.
Rather disturbing how I find myself agreeing with you recently... some weird warping of reality or something, I guess.
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Post by YoungEagle » Wed Jan 15 11:30 am

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If Hill and Bailey are decent and Smeltzer keeps evolving we could be a decent pitching team.. assuming Berrios and Odo continue to be good.

Truth be told I just want to see more Arraez. Love that kid.
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Greyeagle wrote:
Wed Jan 15 9:13 am
Steve MN wrote:
Wed Jan 15 8:27 am
Handyman wrote:
Tue Jan 14 10:41 pm
I hinted at it...but hard to hate the addition to the lineup whether I want pitching more or not.
Rather disturbing how I find myself agreeing with you recently... some weird warping of reality or something, I guess.
Don't worry, if Handy senses you are agreeing with him he'll change his argument to ensure he remains contrary. :lol: :confused2: ;)
Those were fun bits...sadly gave up the contrarian thing when it became mainstream. It is like when Elementary School teachers got piercings and tattoos or suburban dentists started riding Harleys it lost its edge. ;)

You can always tell when someone's ego is bruised though when I disagree with them because they come back with "you are just being contrarian!!". Nah I just think your opinion sucks :lol: ;)

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Post by Greyeagle » Wed Jan 15 1:06 pm

Handyman wrote:
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Those were fun bits...sadly gave up the contrarian thing when it became mainstream. It is like when Elementary School teachers got piercings and tattoos or suburban dentists started riding Harleys it lost its edge. ;)

You can always tell when someone's ego is bruised though when I disagree with them because they come back with "you are just being contrarian!!". Nah I just think your opinion sucks :lol: ;)

Now I take great joy in having the Duckies and Bunnies crowd saying I am a pessimist and the Eeyore Crowd saying I am an apologist. Means I am doing something right :)
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Nah I hate Golf :lol:

And I would never cheer for Detroit :shock:
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Post by JWG » Wed Jan 15 9:13 pm

Well, I’ll give it to the Twins... can’t get a pitcher for an agreeable price, we will just out power you and win 12-9. That’s a lineup for fans.
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Post by Bertogliat » Wed Jan 15 11:06 pm

I just hope the size of the Donaldson contract doesn’t keep the Twins from improving the pitching.

When the Twins bats fall silent in the post season (as they have a tendency to do) we will be cursing the lack of pitching dominance again.

I obviously have no faith in the Twins management.

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Post by streakygopher » Wed Jan 15 11:27 pm

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If pitching isn't improved they'll get spanked by the Yankees again in October, but I gotta admit this is the best Twins' hitting line up since...well...last year. :wink:

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Post by Norm » Thu Jan 16 9:45 am

Remember when Donaldson, Bautista, and Co would homer their way into the playoffs only to get throttled by superior pitching?

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Post by streakygopher » Thu Jan 16 10:23 am

It would be interesting to see how many world series have been won by league-average pitching. Not many, if any, is my guess.

Need one ace (twins don't have one) and a good supporting rotation, plus solid middle relief and a shut down closer. Does that describe the Twins' staff?

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Post by Vegoe » Thu Jan 16 10:25 am

Bertogliat wrote:
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I just hope the size of the Donaldson contract doesn’t keep the Twins from improving the pitching.

When the Twins bats fall silent in the post season (as they have a tendency to do) we will be cursing the lack of pitching dominance again.

I obviously have no faith in the Twins management.
I think what this signing does is they can probably afford to trade any position player and a prospect to get a pitcher. I'm holding out hope that Miami is willing to deal Alcantara and that Falvey can make it happen.

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Post by Handyman » Thu Jan 16 10:35 am

Yeah that has to be the hope now. They have a lot of these guys locked up for a while and a lineup filled with guys who can crush so they have more flexibility to trade a prospect or an everyday player to get a pitcher who can help the staff.
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Post by Beauner » Thu Jan 16 2:56 pm

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I'd love bringing JD into this lineup. Lose Schoop and Cron, replace with Arraez and Donaldson? Yes please.

They're going to end up trading for Jon Gray, IMO.
Probably Thorpe and another mid-high end pitching prospect and a project pitcher for Gray. Then they'll sign a Bailey/McHugh type as #5 type guy
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If the Rockies trade Arenado (supposedly about 50/50 right now) then they'd almost certainly be willing to trade Gray. And adding JD makes the prospective trade pool pretty damn deep for MN.
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Post by Aldy » Thu Jan 16 3:45 pm

Bert Blyleven is rated 71 of the greatest 100 MLB players by Joe Posnanski. Bert's stats are favorable to several HOF pitchers.

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Post by YoungEagle » Thu Jan 16 4:03 pm

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I'd love bringing JD into this lineup. Lose Schoop and Cron, replace with Arraez and Donaldson? Yes please.

They're going to end up trading for Jon Gray, IMO.
Probably Thorpe and another mid-high end pitching prospect and a project pitcher for Gray. Then they'll sign a Bailey/McHugh type as #5 type guy
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If the Rockies trade Arenado (supposedly about 50/50 right now) then they'd almost certainly be willing to trade Gray. And adding JD makes the prospective trade pool pretty damn deep for MN.
Any idea where Arrenado ends up?
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Post by Beauner » Thu Jan 16 5:19 pm

YoungEagle wrote:
Thu Jan 16 4:03 pm
Beauner wrote:
Thu Jan 16 2:56 pm
Beauner wrote:
Thu Dec 19 10:53 pm
I'd love bringing JD into this lineup. Lose Schoop and Cron, replace with Arraez and Donaldson? Yes please.

They're going to end up trading for Jon Gray, IMO.
Probably Thorpe and another mid-high end pitching prospect and a project pitcher for Gray. Then they'll sign a Bailey/McHugh type as #5 type guy
🤷‍♂️

If the Rockies trade Arenado (supposedly about 50/50 right now) then they'd almost certainly be willing to trade Gray. And adding JD makes the prospective trade pool pretty damn deep for MN.
Any idea where Arrenado ends up?
St. Louis seems most likely, if anywhere. They've got a lot of pieces that could fit colorado (including a 3B prospect named Nolan) and a lineup that could contend and maybe even be favored with his addition. The biggest question is he's got an opt-out in 2021 so whoever trades for him would risk only getting him for a year.
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Post by grothm01 » Thu Jan 16 6:21 pm

Two years - opt out is after 2021 season.

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Post by Beauner » Thu Jan 16 7:19 pm

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Two years - opt out is after 2021 season.
Derp. I dunno how my math went from opt out in 2021 to only being one season.
Yes they'd get him for two years. But it trading the farm for him you'd like him for longer than that I'd think.
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Post by grothm01 » Thu Jan 16 9:53 pm

True but if he plays well enough to merit taking opt out, he may be worth it. It means you get two really good years and maybe a run at the World Series.

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True but if he plays well enough to merit taking opt out, he may be worth it. It means you get two really good years and maybe a run at the World Series.
If you're looking for an impact pitcher and you missed in free agency, 2 excellent years from Josh Donaldson and acquiring a pitcher via trade likely works out better for you. Otherwise you're really killing your farm system to trade for that same pitcher and Arenado
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Post by Beauner » Thu Jan 16 10:13 pm

davescharf wrote:
Thu Jan 16 9:56 pm
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True but if he plays well enough to merit taking opt out, he may be worth it. It means you get two really good years and maybe a run at the World Series.
If you're looking for an impact pitcher and you missed in free agency, 2 excellent years from Josh Donaldson and acquiring a pitcher via trade likely works out better for you. Otherwise you're really killing your farm system to trade for that same pitcher and Arenado
FTR, as far as I can tell, the Twins were never involved in talks to acquire Arenado.
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Post by davescharf » Fri Jan 17 7:26 am

Beauner wrote:
Thu Jan 16 10:13 pm
davescharf wrote:
Thu Jan 16 9:56 pm
grothm01 wrote:
Thu Jan 16 9:53 pm
True but if he plays well enough to merit taking opt out, he may be worth it. It means you get two really good years and maybe a run at the World Series.
If you're looking for an impact pitcher and you missed in free agency, 2 excellent years from Josh Donaldson and acquiring a pitcher via trade likely works out better for you. Otherwise you're really killing your farm system to trade for that same pitcher and Arenado
FTR, as far as I can tell, the Twins were never involved in talks to acquire Arenado.
That was more hypothetical. I wouldn’t see them paying 30+ a season for anyone so trading for the salary wouldn’t make sense
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Post by Beauner » Fri Jan 17 10:17 am

davescharf wrote:
Fri Jan 17 7:26 am
Beauner wrote:
Thu Jan 16 10:13 pm
davescharf wrote:
Thu Jan 16 9:56 pm
grothm01 wrote:
Thu Jan 16 9:53 pm
True but if he plays well enough to merit taking opt out, he may be worth it. It means you get two really good years and maybe a run at the World Series.
If you're looking for an impact pitcher and you missed in free agency, 2 excellent years from Josh Donaldson and acquiring a pitcher via trade likely works out better for you. Otherwise you're really killing your farm system to trade for that same pitcher and Arenado
FTR, as far as I can tell, the Twins were never involved in talks to acquire Arenado.
That was more hypothetical. I wouldn’t see them paying 30+ a season for anyone so trading for the salary wouldn’t make sense
Agreed. The biggest thing with Arenado for the Twins is that essentially if Colorado moves him they'll probably go full rebuild which would mean trading Jon Gray is much more likely.
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Post by Beauner » Mon Jan 27 2:23 pm

Pirates just traded Starling Marte for two prospects. A sign that they may be willing to trade Chris Archer? Former Twins bench coach Derek Shelton is the manager there now and may be willing to push them to move him to the Twins due to his familiarity with the prospects in the Twins system...
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Post by Maize » Mon Jan 27 3:16 pm

Do they want Chris Archer?

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Post by Beauner » Mon Jan 27 3:42 pm

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Do they want Chris Archer?
I dunno. He'd be a nice add, IMO.
Above average velo, high spin rate on his curveball and slider, pretty solid K% and walk %. 143 Ks in 119 innings last year.

Even after a rough season ERA-wise last year his peripherals seem to indicate he's fit for a bounce back. And with the adjustments and improvements Wes Johnson made with a lot of guys with less raw talent than Archer has, it'd be well worth the move IMO.

And coming off a down year with the Pirates apparently selling, he'd likely come without giving up major prospects.
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Post by frozen4champs » Wed Jan 29 1:45 pm

Not a huge shock since he was taken off the 40 man roster recently.

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Post by frozen4champs » Sat Feb 01 3:00 pm

He was 3-12 last year.... Is 77-87 all time. A dart throw and spring training invite.


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Post by Beauner » Sun Feb 02 12:01 am

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He was 3-12 last year.... Is 77-87 all time. A dart throw and spring training invite.

No risk, potentially solid reward for Chacin. He had some borderline great years in Colorado and some solid years in 2016-2018 before he fell apart last year.
TwinsDaily had a nice little writeup about him and what may have been some bad luck last year (hard hit ball % was ridiculously high and his groundball rate which was usually in the mid-40s went down to like 34%, hard hit line drives tend to cause bad results)

http://twinsdaily.com/blog/1269/entry-11816-what-happened-to-jhoulys-chac%C3%ADn-and-what-do-the-twins-see/
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Post by Maize » Tue Feb 04 8:27 pm

Twins are the third team involved in the Mookie to LA trade. :shock:

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Post by Maize » Tue Feb 04 8:41 pm

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There seems to be conflicting reports out there. Rosenthal seems to think it is the Angels and Joc Pederson to Angels at part of the 3 team deal.
I think that's a separate trade if the first three-way trade goes through.

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Post by frozen4champs » Tue Feb 04 8:52 pm

Twins get a much needed starter who seems to be pretty good in exchange for a flame throwing prospect. For all the baseball experts, is this a good thing? Do we still boycott?
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Post by Beauner » Tue Feb 04 8:56 pm

Everyone ok now? They made a significant trade to bolster their rotation.

I'm not super thrilled about trading Graterol if all we're getting back is Maeda but Maeda is a real good pitcher and the rumors are that the Twins had basically resigned themselves to using Graterol out of the bullpen for the foreseeable future which makes me a little more OK with the move. Especially if Fernando Romero can figure out how to pitch again.
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Post by Goldy77 » Tue Feb 04 9:30 pm

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Everyone ok now? They made a significant trade to bolster their rotation.

I'm not super thrilled about trading Graterol if all we're getting back is Maeda but Maeda is a real good pitcher and the rumors are that the Twins had basically resigned themselves to using Graterol out of the bullpen for the foreseeable future which makes me a little more OK with the move. Especially if Fernando Romero can figure out how to pitch again.
Never heard of the guy. Was he their #4 or #5 with Kershaw, Beuhler, and Ryu? Hopefully it works out.

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Post by Maize » Tue Feb 04 9:34 pm

I wonder if the reality started to catch up to the hype on Graterol. He went from "There's no one we can trade for that would be better than him" to not pitching in the playoffs to being traded for Kenta Maeda six months later.

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Post by bearpaw28 » Tue Feb 04 10:23 pm

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Everyone ok now? They made a significant trade to bolster their rotation.

I'm not super thrilled about trading Graterol if all we're getting back is Maeda but Maeda is a real good pitcher and the rumors are that the Twins had basically resigned themselves to using Graterol out of the bullpen for the foreseeable future which makes me a little more OK with the move. Especially if Fernando Romero can figure out how to pitch again.
A significant trade for a 4 or 5 starter? Seems like a rather lame move to appease some (from an optical standpoint). But it’s better than nuthin. Something tells me the new pitcher isn’t coming over on an exceptionally compensated contract 😉🥱

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bearpaw28 wrote:
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Everyone ok now? They made a significant trade to bolster their rotation.

I'm not super thrilled about trading Graterol if all we're getting back is Maeda but Maeda is a real good pitcher and the rumors are that the Twins had basically resigned themselves to using Graterol out of the bullpen for the foreseeable future which makes me a little more OK with the move. Especially if Fernando Romero can figure out how to pitch again.
A significant trade for a 4 or 5 starter? Seems like a rather lame move to appease some (from an optical standpoint). But it’s better than nuthin. Something tells me the new pitcher isn’t coming over on an exceptionally compensated contract 😉🥱
His cheap deal is part of why the trade price was so high. He signed a long deal with the Dodgers that pays him like $14 million over the last 4 years of his deal. (IIRC he signed an 8 year 30ish million dollar deal when he came here from Japan, but his contract had like $10 million per year in incentives).

Maeda has a high K rate and low BB rate and pretty strong WHIP numbers (1.151 in his career).
He was the 4 in LA because their rotation was disgusting. He'll be 3 here assuming Odo repeats last year. A career 3.87 ERA in regular season and 3.22 in the postseason in 24 appearances (largely out of the bullpen in the playoffs, I believe he has 4 starts in the playoffs).
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Post by Beauner » Tue Feb 04 11:06 pm

Maize wrote:
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I wonder if the reality started to catch up to the hype on Graterol. He went from "There's no one we can trade for that would be better than him" to not pitching in the playoffs to being traded for Kenta Maeda six months later.
The Twins apparently saw his best future as a relief pitcher in terms of keeping him healthy and throwing 99-103mph (they had already announced plans to use him as a RP this upcoming season). They obviously plan to contend for the next 3-4 years and with an already strong bullpen they were more willing to part with him than they were last year at this time where they thought he'd be able to be a front line SP. Not sure if that's reality catching up to hype or not. We'll see what Boston does with him. His stuff is electric, that much we know is reality.
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Post by Snowcool08 » Wed Feb 05 12:08 am

I'm always skeptical of pitchers coming from the NL to the AL. They get an easy out every time through the lineup. Boosts their ERA.

Relief pitchers are much easier to come by than a quality starter. They're easier to trade for as well. If the Twins saw him as only a relief pitcher, then he becomes expendable. At the deadline last year they gave up nothing to get Dyson and Romo. I'm sure the Twins are thinking that if need be, they can make the same kind of deals this year.

Sometimes you have to give up a few prospects to get a chance at winning the whole thing. They are prospects for a reason. Now Graterol is a bit different as we have seen him in the majors. He's still not a proven commodity. They are definitely taking a risk, but a necessary one.

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Post by Handyman » Wed Feb 05 1:20 am

If they got a starter for a guy who was most likely going to be relegated to the bullpen it works for me.
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I'm always skeptical of pitchers coming from the NL to the AL. They get an easy out every time through the lineup. Boosts their ERA.
Agreed. This is why I'm hesitant to be super thrilled about Maeda. But he's an upgrade in the rotation even if/when his numbers slip a little this year.
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Post by Bertogliat » Wed Feb 05 6:29 am

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I'm always skeptical of pitchers coming from the NL to the AL. They get an easy out every time through the lineup. Boosts their ERA.
Agreed. This is why I'm hesitant to be super thrilled about Maeda. But he's an upgrade in the rotation even if/when his numbers slip a little this year.
This definitely isn't a big get, but it's something. They still don't appear to have the pitching to win multiple playoff series. But I'll call off the #TwinsBoycott for now and hope for more to come.

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Post by JWG » Wed Feb 05 10:55 am

I think the Twins approach is hoping they can out hit the other team. Do enough with average to above average pitching that allows your crazy lineup to out power the opponent. Rather than blow $30M a year on a true ace, bank on your lineup.
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