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Re: Minnesota Twins 2014-2020: Here's Your Damn Thread

Post by Grovetown Scotty » Thu Dec 12 4:45 pm

The Twins will never be able to outspend the Yankees. You have to beat them on the field. We beat the Tigers in 87. Problem is we turn into wimps when we go into Yankee Stadium when we need to punch them in the face. You have to manage game #1 like game #7.

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Post by Bigbeer » Thu Dec 12 8:19 pm

Border Gopher wrote:
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Wait, Eddie Rosario is our best hitter??

:lol:
Who was better last year? He hits for average, power and most importantly is good in the clutch.
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Re: Minnesota Twins 2014-2020: Here's Your Damn Thread

Post by J22 » Thu Dec 12 8:45 pm

Bigbeer wrote:
Thu Dec 12 8:19 pm
Border Gopher wrote:
Thu Dec 12 10:50 am
Wait, Eddie Rosario is our best hitter??

:lol:
Who was better last year? He hits for average, power and most importantly is good in the clutch.
Cruz, Kepler, Sano, Polanco, Arraez, Garver

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Re: Minnesota Twins 2014-2020: Here's Your Damn Thread

Post by Slap Shot » Thu Dec 12 10:51 pm

J22 wrote:
Thu Dec 12 8:45 pm
Bigbeer wrote:
Thu Dec 12 8:19 pm
Border Gopher wrote:
Thu Dec 12 10:50 am
Wait, Eddie Rosario is our best hitter??

:lol:
Who was better last year? He hits for average, power and most importantly is good in the clutch.
Cruz, Kepler, Sano, Polanco, Arraez, Garver
Is that all?
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Re: Minnesota Twins 2014-2020: Here's Your Damn Thread

Post by Border Gopher » Fri Dec 13 11:29 am

J22 wrote:
Thu Dec 12 8:45 pm
Bigbeer wrote:
Thu Dec 12 8:19 pm
Border Gopher wrote:
Thu Dec 12 10:50 am
Wait, Eddie Rosario is our best hitter??

:lol:
Who was better last year? He hits for average, power and most importantly is good in the clutch.
Cruz, Kepler, Sano, Polanco, Arraez, Garver
Guess which Twins player had the worst dWAR in 2019?
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Re: Minnesota Twins 2014-2020: Here's Your Damn Thread

Post by Handyman » Fri Dec 13 1:00 pm

Border Gopher wrote:
Fri Dec 13 11:29 am
J22 wrote:
Thu Dec 12 8:45 pm
Bigbeer wrote:
Thu Dec 12 8:19 pm
Border Gopher wrote:
Thu Dec 12 10:50 am
Wait, Eddie Rosario is our best hitter??

:lol:
Who was better last year? He hits for average, power and most importantly is good in the clutch.
Cruz, Kepler, Sano, Polanco, Arraez, Garver
Guess which Twins player had the worst dWAR in 2019?
These guys?

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Re: Minnesota Twins 2014-2020: Here's Your Damn Thread

Post by fightclub30 » Fri Dec 13 1:15 pm

Border Gopher wrote:
Fri Dec 13 11:29 am
J22 wrote:
Thu Dec 12 8:45 pm
Bigbeer wrote:
Thu Dec 12 8:19 pm
Border Gopher wrote:
Thu Dec 12 10:50 am
Wait, Eddie Rosario is our best hitter??

:lol:
Who was better last year? He hits for average, power and most importantly is good in the clutch.
Cruz, Kepler, Sano, Polanco, Arraez, Garver
Guess which Twins player had the worst dWAR in 2019?
Arraez, Adrianza, Rosario, Polanco, Schoop... In that order. Am I right?

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Post by Border Gopher » Fri Dec 13 4:16 pm

Handyman wrote:
Fri Dec 13 1:00 pm
Border Gopher wrote:
Fri Dec 13 11:29 am
J22 wrote:
Thu Dec 12 8:45 pm
Bigbeer wrote:
Thu Dec 12 8:19 pm
Border Gopher wrote:
Thu Dec 12 10:50 am
Wait, Eddie Rosario is our best hitter??

:lol:
Who was better last year? He hits for average, power and most importantly is good in the clutch.
Cruz, Kepler, Sano, Polanco, Arraez, Garver
Guess which Twins player had the worst dWAR in 2019?
These guys?

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The answer is Rosario.
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Post by Bigbeer » Fri Dec 13 8:40 pm

Border Gopher wrote:
Fri Dec 13 4:16 pm
Handyman wrote:
Fri Dec 13 1:00 pm
Border Gopher wrote:
Fri Dec 13 11:29 am
J22 wrote:
Thu Dec 12 8:45 pm
Bigbeer wrote:
Thu Dec 12 8:19 pm
Border Gopher wrote:
Thu Dec 12 10:50 am
Wait, Eddie Rosario is our best hitter??

:lol:
Who was better last year? He hits for average, power and most importantly is good in the clutch.
Cruz, Kepler, Sano, Polanco, Arraez, Garver
Guess which Twins player had the worst dWAR in 2019?
These guys?

Image

This is the band GWAR
No Beavis. :)

The answer is Rosario.
How is that relevant to his hitting?
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Re: Minnesota Twins 2014-2020: Here's Your Damn Thread

Post by Border Gopher » Fri Dec 13 11:35 pm

Bigbeer wrote:
Fri Dec 13 8:40 pm
Border Gopher wrote:
Fri Dec 13 4:16 pm
Handyman wrote:
Fri Dec 13 1:00 pm
Border Gopher wrote:
Fri Dec 13 11:29 am
J22 wrote:
Thu Dec 12 8:45 pm
Bigbeer wrote:
Thu Dec 12 8:19 pm
Border Gopher wrote:
Thu Dec 12 10:50 am
Wait, Eddie Rosario is our best hitter??

:lol:
Who was better last year? He hits for average, power and most importantly is good in the clutch.
Cruz, Kepler, Sano, Polanco, Arraez, Garver
Guess which Twins player had the worst dWAR in 2019?
These guys?

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This is the band GWAR
No Beavis. :)

The answer is Rosario.
How is that relevant to his hitting?
You should've just quit while you were only slightly behind. You might be the only person that doesn't know how close to average Rosario actually is. He has nice-looking traditional offensive numbers, especially for a Twins player. Unfortunately, he's only milder better than the average corner outfielder offensively and his defensive is atrocious overall. The Twins need pitching and will probably have to give up assets to get someone that can make a difference. The hope would be that some GM out there overvalues Rosario like you do.
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Post by Composer » Sat Dec 14 6:48 pm

I will give Rosario credit on one thing. He would frequently try to throw a runner out at home when he had no chance, allowing the hitter to get to 2nd base. I noticed that as the year went on last summer, he refrained from that quite well. Overall, he is very aloof in the field and causes himself trouble.

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Post by davescharf » Sat Dec 14 9:43 pm

The Twins have decided they're going to move on from him, so why not trade him now and fill another need. Marwin can play in the OF if one of the prospects aren't quite ready next year. Someone will find value in a 30HR, 100RBI guy
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Post by bearpaw28 » Sun Dec 15 10:05 am

http://www.startribune.com/after-raising-the-ante-twins-must-make-major-splash - I cant get the link to copy/paste, but Chip with an accurate article ☝️Two paragraphs : “Attractive free agents remain available, giving the Twins time and options to make that splash before leaving for Fort Myers. But this is where the organization needs to change the narrative about being cheap. Whether the front office believes that label is fair doesn’t matter. That is their narrative among the masses.”

“Here is their chance to alter it. Make the kind of signing or bold trade that causes the rest of baseball to take notice. Be aggressive. Prove that the organization is all-in in building upon a division-winning roster.”

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Post by Beauner » Sun Dec 15 11:15 am

Indians trading Kluber. Clevinger and Lindor may not be far behind.
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Post by MNNavy » Sun Dec 15 3:29 pm

bearpaw28 wrote:
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http://www.startribune.com/after-raising-the-ante-twins-must-make-major-splash - I cant get the link to copy/paste,
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Post by bearpaw28 » Sun Dec 15 3:56 pm

frozen4champs wrote:
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Twins missing out on MB? That’s a shock 😳😂

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Post by Beauner » Sun Dec 15 3:57 pm

There were a lot of rumors that he wanted to stay in the NL cuz he wants to bat. Was hoping that would not be a deciding factor but it appears it was.
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Post by bearpaw28 » Sun Dec 15 3:59 pm

It’s always something Beauner 😉 Scoggins article today spelled things out pretty accurately. A lot of reestablished fan goodwill will be pissed away if nothing significant happens during the off-season. Cleveland evidently selling the farm non-withstanding.

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Post by Handyman » Sun Dec 15 4:07 pm

There is a reason the hot takes now are all trades...the Twins are crapping the bed in free agency.
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Post by Bonin21 » Sun Dec 15 4:08 pm

Twins mgmt are geniuses cuz they know so many Minnesotans accept decent seasons even if they'll never do anything in the playoffs.
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Post by davescharf » Sun Dec 15 4:29 pm

So serious question. Who are they supposed to get? You know they aren’t going to pay $30M+ for Cole/Strasbourg and it seems like Wheeler wanted to be on the Easy Cost and MadBum wanted to be in the NL.

The shoot first and aim later mentality of MN sports fans
Is hysterical. There’s still a lot of time to do something this offseason. I’m sure the meltdown will be even more when they don’t want to offer Donaldson 4 years just like it was with Kimbrel
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Post by bearpaw28 » Sun Dec 15 4:35 pm

Many of us want them to do something “significant” to improve their starting pitching staff threw signing a FA or a trade. That said, I don’t give 2 shits about signing Donaldson.

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davescharf wrote:
Sun Dec 15 4:29 pm
So serious question. Who are they supposed to get? You know they aren’t going to pay $30M+ for Cole/Strasbourg and it seems like Wheeler wanted to be on the Easy Cost and MadBum wanted to be in the NL.

The shoot first and aim later mentality of MN sports fans
Is hysterical. There’s still a lot of time to do something this offseason. I’m sure the meltdown will be even more when they don’t want to offer Donaldson 4 years just like it was with Kimbrel
If they give Donaldson 4 years I might shoot them myself ;)

There is time but the quality of the players is going way down. This team needs a #1 starter BADLY and if they are picking through scraps to find one they are going to be in trouble. And the trades floated out there arent exactly going to light the world on fire. (the guys are getting traded for a reason)

And sorry I just dont buy all of the excuses anymore. Every year we hear them. Its always something. The Twins want the fans to believe things have changed and that last year was a building block not a fluke...the fans have every right not to trust them they have earned zero trust over the years.

I hold out hope something good will come out of this offseason, but if we sign some #3 starter or some dude past his prime and the Twins start their "we won 101 games last year so we stayed the course" BS they are known for all the good will will die. The team has been saying for years they are building to something...well here we are. If you want to be more than the "Autobid" you need more than what you have.

edit: I will be watching and hoping next season either way. But lets be honest most fans are fairweather and they will have zero confidence next season if the team doesnt add pitching.
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Post by Beauner » Sun Dec 15 5:01 pm

Handyman wrote:
Sun Dec 15 4:44 pm
davescharf wrote:
Sun Dec 15 4:29 pm
So serious question. Who are they supposed to get? You know they aren’t going to pay $30M+ for Cole/Strasbourg and it seems like Wheeler wanted to be on the Easy Cost and MadBum wanted to be in the NL.

The shoot first and aim later mentality of MN sports fans
Is hysterical. There’s still a lot of time to do something this offseason. I’m sure the meltdown will be even more when they don’t want to offer Donaldson 4 years just like it was with Kimbrel
If they give Donaldson 4 years I might shoot them myself ;)

There is time but the quality of the players is going way down. This team needs a #1 starter BADLY and if they are picking through scraps to find one they are going to be in trouble. And the trades floated out there arent exactly going to light the world on fire. (the guys are getting traded for a reason)

And sorry I just dont buy all of the excuses anymore. Every year we hear them. Its always something. The Twins want the fans to believe things have changed and that last year was a building block not a fluke...the fans have every right not to trust them they have earned zero trust over the years.

I hold out hope something good will come out of this offseason, but if we sign some #3 starter or some dude past his prime and the Twins start their "we won 101 games last year so we stayed the course" BS they are known for all the good will will die. The team has been saying for years they are building to something...well here we are. If you want to be more than the "Autobid" you need more than what you have.
The trouble with signing free agent pitchers not named Gerritt Cole: they are all close to past their prime or are not true #1 guys.
That's why Cole got $324mil as a starting pitcher. He's 29 and appears to be just entering his prime based on his improvements the last couple years. Guys like him don't hit free agency very often.

Bumgarner is 30 (10 years as an MLB pitcher) and has seen his peripheral numbers worsen the last couple years (swing and miss rate, hard contact rate, etc.) The fact that he's getting 14ish million per year (he is getting another 15million deferred) as his top offer makes it pretty clear how worried teams are about whether he's going to return back to the MadBum of old. IMO, he's worth that money for a playoff team because he's probably a good #3 or maybe average #2. Much like Ryu and Kuechel.

Other than going out and getting Cole, their best chance of entering 2020 with a #1 is Berrios or Graterol (unlikely) coming out of spring as the stereotypical ace. Their best chance to build a rotation is to get multiple #2-#3 guys to have 4 or 5 really good pitchers and then hope the offense doesn't S their Ps in the playoffs like they did last fall.

Talking to my brother, who knows more about pitching than anyone I've ever talked to, his response when i said "Well Bumgarner won't be a Twin, he's going to Arizona"

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Post by Handyman » Sun Dec 15 5:22 pm

Hey if you remember I wasnt keen on them trading for him last year :lol: I will take him over some of the names being bandied about in trades though. (depending who we give up of course)

I am not crazy, I dont expect us to sign Cole or Strasburg (and any fan who did should go to rehab) but they need a #1. They dont have anyone close to that and you cant win the playoffs without one.
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Post by bearpaw28 » Sun Dec 15 5:35 pm

Handyman wrote:
Sun Dec 15 4:44 pm
davescharf wrote:
Sun Dec 15 4:29 pm
So serious question. Who are they supposed to get? You know they aren’t going to pay $30M+ for Cole/Strasbourg and it seems like Wheeler wanted to be on the Easy Cost and MadBum wanted to be in the NL.

The shoot first and aim later mentality of MN sports fans
Is hysterical. There’s still a lot of time to do something this offseason. I’m sure the meltdown will be even more when they don’t want to offer Donaldson 4 years just like it was with Kimbrel
If they give Donaldson 4 years I might shoot them myself ;)

There is time but the quality of the players is going way down. This team needs a #1 starter BADLY and if they are picking through scraps to find one they are going to be in trouble. And the trades floated out there arent exactly going to light the world on fire. (the guys are getting traded for a reason)

And sorry I just dont buy all of the excuses anymore. Every year we hear them. Its always something. The Twins want the fans to believe things have changed and that last year was a building block not a fluke...the fans have every right not to trust them they have earned zero trust over the years.

I hold out hope something good will come out of this offseason, but if we sign some #3 starter or some dude past his prime and the Twins start their "we won 101 games last year so we stayed the course" BS they are known for all the good will will die. The team has been saying for years they are building to something...well here we are. If you want to be more than the "Autobid" you need more than what you have.
This is what pisses off Twins fans. Obviously they weren’t gonna have the stomach to sign Cole. But saying the Pohlad family didn’t have the money 💰 to sign Cole is not technically true. But again, I clearly didn’t expect that, knowing the Pohlad’s & expecting that would be insane. . But for God Sakes, quit trawling out the same BS & accomplish something this offseason

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Post by Beauner » Sun Dec 15 10:42 pm

In non-free agency related news:

Lots of hype around this guy. People I know have seen him speak at a couple symposiums and were less than impressed, saying his assistants seemed to have a much better grasp of what they were doing than he did. But that could also be a matter of him not being comfortable presenting in front of a room full of hundreds of people. The Twins had been going after him awfully hard so they must like what he's been saying.

Edit to add:

I do really like this quote

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Post by Slap Shot » Mon Dec 16 8:45 am

Handyman wrote:
Sun Dec 15 4:44 pm
davescharf wrote:
Sun Dec 15 4:29 pm
So serious question. Who are they supposed to get? You know they aren’t going to pay $30M+ for Cole/Strasbourg and it seems like Wheeler wanted to be on the Easy Cost and MadBum wanted to be in the NL.

The shoot first and aim later mentality of MN sports fans
Is hysterical. There’s still a lot of time to do something this offseason. I’m sure the meltdown will be even more when they don’t want to offer Donaldson 4 years just like it was with Kimbrel
If they give Donaldson 4 years I might shoot them myself ;)

There is time but the quality of the players is going way down. This team needs a #1 starter BADLY and if they are picking through scraps to find one they are going to be in trouble. And the trades floated out there arent exactly going to light the world on fire. (the guys are getting traded for a reason)

And sorry I just dont buy all of the excuses anymore. Every year we hear them. Its always something. The Twins want the fans to believe things have changed and that last year was a building block not a fluke...the fans have every right not to trust them they have earned zero trust over the years.
That doesn't really answer his question - who should they have signed by now they could both realistically afford and would choose MN over all others making an offer?
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I don't get why people don't think any pitchers would want to play for MN. They were a division winner, won 100 games, return most of their roster...
One or two pitcher additions could really create something sustainable.
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Re: Minnesota Twins 2014-2020: Here's Your Damn Thread

Post by Slap Shot » Mon Dec 16 9:04 am

JWG wrote:
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I don't get why people don't think any pitchers would want to play for MN. They were a division winner, won 100 games, return most of their roster...
One or two pitcher additions could really create something sustainable.
I didn't say none would want to, I'm just saying it has to be someone they can afford that also doesn't have a preference to stay where they are as was noted of 2 big names out there.
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Re: Minnesota Twins 2014-2020: Here's Your Damn Thread

Post by JWG » Mon Dec 16 9:26 am

Slap Shot wrote:
Mon Dec 16 9:04 am
JWG wrote:
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I don't get why people don't think any pitchers would want to play for MN. They were a division winner, won 100 games, return most of their roster...
One or two pitcher additions could really create something sustainable.
I didn't say none would want to, I'm just saying it has to be someone they can afford that also doesn't have a preference to stay where they are as was noted of 2 big names out there.
Not directed at you. Lots of people seem to be on this no one wants to come here train.
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Post by Bonin21 » Mon Dec 16 9:41 am

I mean compared to somewhere warm and knowing 100 wins would be tough to duplicate with the current roster
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Re: Minnesota Twins 2014-2020: Here's Your Damn Thread

Post by Handyman » Mon Dec 16 12:23 pm

Slap Shot wrote:
Mon Dec 16 8:45 am
Handyman wrote:
Sun Dec 15 4:44 pm
davescharf wrote:
Sun Dec 15 4:29 pm
So serious question. Who are they supposed to get? You know they aren’t going to pay $30M+ for Cole/Strasbourg and it seems like Wheeler wanted to be on the Easy Cost and MadBum wanted to be in the NL.

The shoot first and aim later mentality of MN sports fans
Is hysterical. There’s still a lot of time to do something this offseason. I’m sure the meltdown will be even more when they don’t want to offer Donaldson 4 years just like it was with Kimbrel
If they give Donaldson 4 years I might shoot them myself ;)

There is time but the quality of the players is going way down. This team needs a #1 starter BADLY and if they are picking through scraps to find one they are going to be in trouble. And the trades floated out there arent exactly going to light the world on fire. (the guys are getting traded for a reason)

And sorry I just dont buy all of the excuses anymore. Every year we hear them. Its always something. The Twins want the fans to believe things have changed and that last year was a building block not a fluke...the fans have every right not to trust them they have earned zero trust over the years.
That doesn't really answer his question - who should they have signed by now they could both realistically afford and would choose MN over all others making an offer?
You probably shouldnt say "realistically afford" since they can afford anyone. They dont HAVE to spend a ton, their spending habits are their right but they can realistically pay anyone. I am well beyond pretending we are as hard up money wise as the locals like to pretend we are.

And I cant tell you who they should have signed, I can tell you I dont buy the BS excuses that they throw out there because it is the same excuses every year. It stopped passing the smell test a while ago. I dont follow other teams (or the MLB) enough to give you names but out of all These Trades only Gray really makes any sense. I dont think Yu Darvish is who I would be going after. (he would veto a trade anyways) David Price isnt worth his contract or the prospects we would give up either. Make them part of a tandem upgrade (NOT TOGETHER!!!) with a solid #2 and all of a sudden you have a very good pitching staff. On their own, my guess is we get half a good season out of them next year and the team struggles mightily. And the Twins dont have the good will to make us believe they will make multiple big moves...

I am not the one that needs convincing, I will be cheering on the team whether they win or lose and whether Berrios is their #1 (ouch) or their #3. (now you are talking!) But if you think the average fan is going to trust the Twins at this point you need to lay down the crack pipe. The Twins burned up all their good will multiple times and the fans have every right to not trust them this offseason. For the third time though, I hold out hope they will sign someone decent but the problem I have is I am not sure decent will be enough. We need a pitcher who doesnt fit our mold.
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Re: Minnesota Twins 2014-2020: Here's Your Damn Thread

Post by Handyman » Mon Dec 16 12:24 pm

Beauner wrote:
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In non-free agency related news:

Lots of hype around this guy. People I know have seen him speak at a couple symposiums and were less than impressed, saying his assistants seemed to have a much better grasp of what they were doing than he did. But that could also be a matter of him not being comfortable presenting in front of a room full of hundreds of people. The Twins had been going after him awfully hard so they must like what he's been saying.

Edit to add:

I do really like this quote

I trust Rocco to make the right decisions in this regard. Sounds like a good move :)
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Post by bearpaw28 » Mon Dec 16 1:32 pm

What Handy said 2 posts back is dead on accurate 👍👍 If Twins mgmt goes to Ft Myers essentially status quo with where the situation stands today...a boat load of fan goodwill generated over the course of 101 wins will be kicked to the curb. I still hold out some faint hope they will get something significant done. But the clock is ticking & the BS is piling up like snow drifts in Duluth

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The snow drifts in Duluth, which is the home of the two time defending national 👆champions 👆👆
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Post by bearpaw28 » Mon Dec 16 2:00 pm

Bonin21 wrote:
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The snow drifts in Duluth
FYP Bonin...my post had nothing to do with tUMD. I personally got snowed in from 5pm on Saturday, Nov 30th until 6am on Tuesday, Dec 3rd, no BS (Twins style) in Superior 🤬

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Re: Minnesota Twins 2014-2020: Here's Your Damn Thread

Post by Slap Shot » Mon Dec 16 3:09 pm

Handyman wrote:
Mon Dec 16 12:23 pm
Slap Shot wrote:
Mon Dec 16 8:45 am
Handyman wrote:
Sun Dec 15 4:44 pm
davescharf wrote:
Sun Dec 15 4:29 pm
So serious question. Who are they supposed to get? You know they aren’t going to pay $30M+ for Cole/Strasbourg and it seems like Wheeler wanted to be on the Easy Cost and MadBum wanted to be in the NL.

The shoot first and aim later mentality of MN sports fans
Is hysterical. There’s still a lot of time to do something this offseason. I’m sure the meltdown will be even more when they don’t want to offer Donaldson 4 years just like it was with Kimbrel
If they give Donaldson 4 years I might shoot them myself ;)

There is time but the quality of the players is going way down. This team needs a #1 starter BADLY and if they are picking through scraps to find one they are going to be in trouble. And the trades floated out there arent exactly going to light the world on fire. (the guys are getting traded for a reason)

And sorry I just dont buy all of the excuses anymore. Every year we hear them. Its always something. The Twins want the fans to believe things have changed and that last year was a building block not a fluke...the fans have every right not to trust them they have earned zero trust over the years.
That doesn't really answer his question - who should they have signed by now they could both realistically afford and would choose MN over all others making an offer?
You probably shouldnt say "realistically afford" since they can afford anyone. They dont HAVE to spend a ton, their spending habits are their right but they can realistically pay anyone. I am well beyond pretending we are as hard up money wise as the locals like to pretend we are.

And I cant tell you who they should have signed, I can tell you I dont buy the BS excuses that they throw out there because it is the same excuses every year. It stopped passing the smell test a while ago. I dont follow other teams (or the MLB) enough to give you names but out of all These Trades only Gray really makes any sense. I dont think Yu Darvish is who I would be going after. (he would veto a trade anyways) David Price isnt worth his contract or the prospects we would give up either. Make them part of a tandem upgrade (NOT TOGETHER!!!) with a solid #2 and all of a sudden you have a very good pitching staff. On their own, my guess is we get half a good season out of them next year and the team struggles mightily. And the Twins dont have the good will to make us believe they will make multiple big moves...

I am not the one that needs convincing, I will be cheering on the team whether they win or lose and whether Berrios is their #1 (ouch) or their #3. (now you are talking!) But if you think the average fan is going to trust the Twins at this point you need to lay down the crack pipe. The Twins burned up all their good will multiple times and the fans have every right to not trust them this offseason. For the third time though, I hold out hope they will sign someone decent but the problem I have is I am not sure decent will be enough. We need a pitcher who doesnt fit our mold.
Don't get me confused (and maybe you haven't) as someone that thinks there is absolutely nothing more they can do nor that I am happy with the status quo. I'm just not all that sure what more they could realistically do that they haven't yet. We all want them to go out a get a genuine #1 starter, but do we know that they haven't and/or they tried but were turned down?

Anyway hoping they finally make something happen this year. :)
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Re: Minnesota Twins 2014-2020: Here's Your Damn Thread

Post by J22 » Mon Dec 16 3:55 pm

No player that is good enough to actually choose where he wants to go is going to choose a team that has shown no interest in building a contending team. They are most likely going to have to overpay a player or two to prove that they are serious.

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Post by Bertogliat » Mon Dec 16 5:12 pm

Boycott Twins games until they make significant upgrades to the pitching staff.

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Post by bearpaw28 » Mon Dec 16 5:17 pm

Bertogliat wrote:
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Boycott Twins games until they make significant upgrades to the pitching staff.

#TwinsBoycott
LOL...Like that’s gonna make any difference👺 The things we Rubes are criticizing the Twins ownership about are the exact same things Dan B & Judd Z & Mark R & Common are criticizing them about.

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Post by Bertogliat » Mon Dec 16 5:35 pm

bearpaw28 wrote:
Mon Dec 16 5:17 pm
Bertogliat wrote:
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Boycott Twins games until they make significant upgrades to the pitching staff.

#TwinsBoycott
LOL...Like that’s gonna make any difference👺 The things we Rubes are criticizing the Twins ownership about are the exact same things Dan B & Judd Z & Mark R & Common are criticizing them about.
They will get the message if people stop going. Make it a movement.

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Post by Snowcool08 » Mon Dec 16 7:53 pm

I wonder if they’ll check out his trick knee during that physical.

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Post by Maize » Mon Dec 16 8:48 pm

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Mon Dec 16 5:17 pm


LOL...Like that’s gonna make any difference👺 The things we Rubes are criticizing the Twins ownership about are the exact same things Dan B & Judd Z & Mark R & Common are criticizing them about.
They're also the exact same things you were criticizing them for last year when they "only" re-signed Kepler and signed Cruz and Gonzalez instead of matching Philly's offer for Bryce Harper. :lol:

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Post by bearpaw28 » Mon Dec 16 9:43 pm

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bearpaw28 wrote:
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LOL...Like that’s gonna make any difference👺 The things we Rubes are criticizing the Twins ownership about are the exact same things Dan B & Judd Z & Mark R & Common are criticizing them about.
They're also the exact same things you were criticizing them for last year when they "only" re-signed Kepler and signed Cruz and Gonzalez instead of matching Philly's offer for Bryce Harper. :lol:
lol...Not sure where you pulled that one out of your rear end Maize. 😉 I’m a Twins fan. that’s not changing for 99% of us, no matter what the Pohlad Pocket Protectors do. I’d simply like to see them build on winning 101 games, guilty as charged on that.

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We got him boyz!

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I cannot believe it!

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Post by Handyman » Thu Dec 19 10:33 pm

Can he pitch?
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Can he pitch?
The question is, how much per pitch do we have to pay him? ;)
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Post by davescharf » Thu Dec 19 10:42 pm

Or we somehow get him and trade for a pitcher. This lineup should be really good if they're able to sign Donaldson
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Post by Beauner » Thu Dec 19 10:53 pm

I'd love bringing JD into this lineup. Lose Schoop and Cron, replace with Arraez and Donaldson? Yes please.

They're going to end up trading for Jon Gray, IMO. Probably Thorpe and another mid-high end pitching prospect and a project pitcher for Gray. Then they'll sign a Bailey/McHugh type as a #5 guy.

Gray-Berrios-Odo-Smeltzer/Dobnak/Graterol-McHugh/Bailey until Pineda returns. Then you send down the young kid or move the #5 to the pen.

Kepler-Polanco-Cruz-Donaldson-Rosario-Sano-Buxton-Garver-Arraez in your every day lineup? Ooooooh that's nasty.
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Post by bearpaw28 » Fri Dec 20 12:05 pm

The Twins have proved to be very adept at signing serviceable, aging relief pitchers this offseason...Yippee 👍 :ahhh:

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I like it. Nasty changeup.

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Post by JWG » Fri Dec 20 1:26 pm

This is a good move, the bullpen needed some additional support. But we still need an ace.
Any pitching moves are welcomed and I don't want to go all "MN" on this - so I'm pleased - just still need to bump up the capability of our rotation.
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I have never heard of the guy...but I am all for signing pitchers!
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I have never heard of the guy...but I am all for signing pitchers!
Not sure how many games you watch on TV, but maybe this helps.

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I have never heard of the guy...but I am all for signing pitchers!
Not sure how many games you watch on TV, but maybe this helps.

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Post by The Rube » Fri Dec 20 10:53 pm

Recognize the glasses. Dude can be a beast. Good bargain signing. That being said, that's the Twins' issue with the public: bargain signing. Need to sign a baller for big money. Get rid of the cheapo attitude. *shrug*
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Post by Beauner » Fri Dec 20 11:45 pm

Not sure he's really a "bargain" signing. He's a proven reliever.
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Not sure he's really a "bargain" signing. He's a proven reliever.
One year at 2.75 mil...smells like a bargain 😲

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I have never heard of the guy...but I am all for signing pitchers!
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Not sure he's really a "bargain" signing. He's a proven reliever.
It's a bargain signing. He probably could have gotten more if he pushed for it.
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Re: Minnesota Twins 2014-2020: Here's Your Damn Thread

Post by Border Gopher » Sat Dec 21 8:34 am

Bertogliat wrote:
Fri Dec 20 10:50 pm
Border Gopher wrote:
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Handyman wrote:
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I have never heard of the guy...but I am all for signing pitchers!
Not sure how many games you watch on TV, but maybe this helps.

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Should it?
Just saying he pitched against the Twins several times last season and with the athletic-type glasses I recognized him right away. By the way, Gleeman has an article up on him in The Athletic and he apparently has some very unique stats.

-his career .239 batting average on balls in play is the second-lowest in history for pitchers over 600 innings.
-he has a BABIP under .300 for 11 consecutive seasons
-his 5 seasons of a BABIP <.225 is tops all-time, Mariano Rivera is 2nd with 3 seasons
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Re: Minnesota Twins 2014-2020: Here's Your Damn Thread

Post by D2D » Sat Dec 21 10:07 am

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It's a bargain signing. He probably could have gotten more if he pushed for it.
And as we all know, the Twins LOVE bargain signings. ;)
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Re: Minnesota Twins 2014-2020: Here's Your Damn Thread

Post by Handyman » Sat Dec 21 11:41 am

I dont think a bargain in this case is a negative thing. They need a reliever and he isnt a bad one. They just got a good price for him.

It is ok to get good value on a signing.
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Re: Minnesota Twins 2014-2020: Here's Your Damn Thread

Post by frozen4champs » Sat Dec 21 12:02 pm

Both are getting 1 year $6.1 million deals with some potential bonus money.


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Re: Minnesota Twins 2014-2020: Here's Your Damn Thread

Post by Beauner » Sat Dec 21 4:08 pm

The Rube wrote:
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Not sure he's really a "bargain" signing. He's a proven reliever.
It's a bargain signing. He probably could have gotten more if he pushed for it.
Getting him for a less than he's worth is a bargain. Many people on this board see "bargain" signings as "oh typical cheapass Twins" rather than "they just signed a really good pitcher"
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Re: Minnesota Twins 2014-2020: Here's Your Damn Thread

Post by Handyman » Sat Dec 21 5:19 pm

frozen4champs wrote:
Sat Dec 21 12:02 pm
Both are getting 1 year $6.1 million deals with some potential bonus money.

Good for them on the money...but man that is a downgrade for them.
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Post by bearpaw28 » Sat Dec 21 6:07 pm

Well, when they consistently FAIL to spend money to address their most significant weakness & most desperate need.. a high end starting pitcher...sorry if we’re not bowing to their bargain basement ingenuity.

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Re: Minnesota Twins 2014-2020: Here's Your Damn Thread

Post by bearpaw28 » Sat Dec 21 6:10 pm

They won 101 games last year, you can’t run your organization as if you won 83 games & people should be simply overjoyed the team is contending for a division title.

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