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Post by Bertogliat » Fri Jul 16 11:08 am

Cowgirl wrote:
Fri Jul 16 10:07 am
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How is it this needs to be replaced after just 12 years?
I doubt it really does. If so than the designer/product suppliers for said technology should be fired. That’s an obscene amount of money when there’s so many opportunities for 33 million to do a lot of good in this country (outside of sports).

Or does a scoreboard now define the ability to be competitive in today’s baseball market? I mean I guess if that will bring us a World Series title than have at it. :mrgreen:
According to Gleeman it is literally the difference between offering Buxton a competitive offer and a low ball offer. So....priorities I guess.

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Post by Laxref » Fri Jul 16 1:13 pm

Norm wrote:
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12 years is a long time for a sports stadium around here.
And yet The Barn survives.

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Post by D2D » Fri Jul 16 2:00 pm

Norm wrote:
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12 years is a long time for a sports stadium around here.
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Post by Bertogliat » Fri Jul 16 4:47 pm

Laxref wrote:
Fri Jul 16 1:13 pm
Norm wrote:
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12 years is a long time for a sports stadium around here.
And yet The Barn survives.
As long as you build em right the first time….

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Post by Greyeagle » Fri Jul 16 4:57 pm

D2D wrote:
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Norm wrote:
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12 years is a long time for a sports stadium around here.
Such a beautiful sight!
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Post by The Rube » Fri Jul 16 9:23 pm

Re: scoreboard thing:
I'm wondering also, BUT, technology has come a long way in 12 years. And I don't think the team is paying for all of it. It's some sort of side-fund or something.
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Post by Norm » Sat Jul 17 6:37 pm

Done in by Robbie Grossman.

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Post by Don Adams Wheel of Justice » Sun Jul 18 2:35 pm

Cowgirl wrote:
Fri Jul 16 10:07 am
Bertogliat wrote:
Fri Jul 16 9:22 am
How is it this needs to be replaced after just 12 years?
I doubt it really does. If so than the designer/product suppliers for said technology should be fired. That’s an obscene amount of money when there’s so many opportunities for 33 million to do a lot of good in this country (outside of sports).

Or does a scoreboard now define the ability to be competitive in today’s baseball market? I mean I guess if that will bring us a World Series title than have at it. :mrgreen:
Won't the workers who design, build, and install the scoreboard benefit from the ,$33M being spent?

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Post by frozen4champs » Sun Jul 18 3:03 pm

So much for the positive momentum from sweeping the Tigers going into the all star break. Time for the selling to begin.

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Post by Cowgirl » Sun Jul 18 5:03 pm

Don Adams Wheel of Justice wrote:
Sun Jul 18 2:35 pm
Cowgirl wrote:
Fri Jul 16 10:07 am
Bertogliat wrote:
Fri Jul 16 9:22 am
How is it this needs to be replaced after just 12 years?
I doubt it really does. If so than the designer/product suppliers for said technology should be fired. That’s an obscene amount of money when there’s so many opportunities for 33 million to do a lot of good in this country (outside of sports).

Or does a scoreboard now define the ability to be competitive in today’s baseball market? I mean I guess if that will bring us a World Series title than have at it. :mrgreen:
Won't the workers who design, build, and install the scoreboard benefit from the ,$33M being spent?
I’m going to guess not nearly as much as they should.

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Post by The Rube » Mon Jul 19 8:22 pm

MNGophers29 wrote:When the wife asks, I will just tell her "Rube said it was ok"!! LOL!

When you tell somebody somethin', it depends on what part of the country you're standin' in... as to just how dumb you are.

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Post by Beauner » Mon Jul 19 8:49 pm

Mitch Garver has 2 HRs in his first two at bats since returning from his testicle surgery.
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Post by Beauner » Mon Jul 19 9:46 pm

Berrios gives up a 3-run HR in bottom 7 to lose the second half of the double header.
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Post by Cowgirl » Mon Jul 19 10:22 pm

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Berrios gives up a 3-run HR in bottom 7 to lose the second half of the double header.
Hooray for pitching a “complete” game?

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Post by The Rube » Mon Jul 19 10:29 pm

Cowgirl wrote:
Mon Jul 19 10:22 pm
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Berrios gives up a 3-run HR in bottom 7 to lose the second half of the double header.
Hooray for pitching a “complete” game?
The way he was going, it was the correct decision to leave him in. It happens.
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Cowgirl wrote:
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Berrios gives up a 3-run HR in bottom 7 to lose the second half of the double header.
Hooray for pitching a “complete” game?
I get the decision to let him go in the 7th. They'd used Rogers, Robles, Alcala, and Duffey in the first game and had minimal time between games for them to get iced and go through a recovery regiment.
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Post by Beauner » Tue Jul 20 9:53 pm

Jorge Polanco hits a 2-run HR in the top of the 8th to give the Twins a one run lead after a solid outing from Alex Colome. Boosting his trade value 👀
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Jorge Polanco hits a 2-run HR in the top of the 8th to give the Twins a one run lead after a solid outing from Alex Colome. Boosting his trade value 👀
So we will get a bushel of bats instead of a bag of balls?

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Post by Greyeagle » Tue Jul 20 10:28 pm

**gack**
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Post by Beauner » Tue Jul 20 10:28 pm

Then Chicago scores at least 5 in bottom 8. Yuck
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Post by Beauner » Tue Jul 20 10:31 pm

Snowcool08 wrote:
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Jorge Polanco hits a 2-run HR in the top of the 8th to give the Twins a one run lead after a solid outing from Alex Colome. Boosting his trade value 👀
So we will get a bushel of bats instead of a bag of balls?
Depends. He's lowered his ERA like a run and a half over his last 10ish outings. There are always teams at the deadline looking for another guy to eat an inning or two out of the bullpen.
I wouldn't expect a big return but a low level prospect is better than nothing 🤷‍♂️
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Post by streakygopher » Wed Jul 21 9:12 am

My relationship with the Twins is on the rocks.

It's gone from enthusiasm, to frustration, and, finally, to apathy. Relationships don't survive apathy.

Seriously, this season is up there with the Big Man with Glasses years, if not worse.

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Post by Bertogliat » Wed Jul 21 2:50 pm

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He'll have time to bond with the IL team captain, Buxton.

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Post by Bertogliat » Thu Jul 22 6:01 pm

frozen4champs wrote:
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That sucks

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The return--


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Post by Beauner » Thu Jul 22 7:08 pm

Two SPs in the top 20 of the Rays organization that is loaded with talent is a pretty good haul for Nelly. Obviously hurts losing him as he was a fan favorite and a tremendous clubhouse influence but it's hard to be upset about that return.
Both of those pitchers are already in AAA and having good seasons.
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Post by D2D » Thu Jul 22 9:14 pm

Could the Twins' braintrust sense that a decline in Nelsons' ability has entered the beginning stages? Certainly not unexpected for a 41 year-old.
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Could the Twins' braintrust sense that a decline in Nelsons' ability has entered the beginning stages? Certainly not unexpected for a 41 year-old.
You’re giving Falvine way too much credit with that assertion/query. They just wanted to get something for him. And to say this season is an unmitigated DISASTER is a major understatement.

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bearpaw28 wrote:
Thu Jul 22 9:43 pm
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Could the Twins' braintrust sense that a decline in Nelsons' ability has entered the beginning stages? Certainly not unexpected for a 41 year-old.
You’re giving Falvine way too much credit with that assertion/query. They just wanted to get something for him. And to say this season is an unmitigated DISASTER is a major understatement.
When you are 14 games under .500 near the trade deadline and have players with 2.5 months left on their contract, you sell them for anything you can. Thankfully Cruz was good enough to get a good return. They will be looking at single A prospects for Simmons, Colome, Happ, and Robles. All with the same contract situation as Cruz.

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From LN3 article “ And when a team underperforms, changes need to be made. It remains to be seen if Michael Pineda and Andrelton Simmons — who also are free agents following the season — will be moved before the July 30 deadline. But the Cruz move had to happen; the Twins got two prospect and saved $5 million”. ☝️ With the POHLAD pocket protectors it’s always about the 💰 and their (self imposed) salary cap 😆

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From LN3 article “ And when a team underperforms, changes need to be made. It remains to be seen if Michael Pineda and Andrelton Simmons — who also are free agents following the season — will be moved before the July 30 deadline. But the Cruz move had to happen; the Twins got two prospect and saved $5 million”. ☝️ With the POHLAD pocket protectors it’s always about the 💰 and their (self imposed) salary cap 😆
I’m usually with you on the Pohlad’s. But this is a smart move even if your a free spending team. Gaining two young prospects allows you to gain something. Keeping players who will be free agents at the end of the season does nothing for the program (unless you expect to resign them).

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Post by bearpaw28 » Fri Jul 23 1:40 pm

Bertogliat wrote:
Fri Jul 23 1:35 pm
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Fri Jul 23 9:54 am
From LN3 article “ And when a team underperforms, changes need to be made. It remains to be seen if Michael Pineda and Andrelton Simmons — who also are free agents following the season — will be moved before the July 30 deadline. But the Cruz move had to happen; the Twins got two prospect and saved $5 million”. ☝️ With the POHLAD pocket protectors it’s always about the 💰 and their (self imposed) salary cap 😆
I’m usually with you on the Pohlad’s. But this is a smart move even if your a free spending team. Gaining two young prospects allows you to gain something. Keeping players who will be free agents at the end of the season does nothing for the program (unless you expect to resign them).
I’d of traded Cruz too based on this disaster of a season. And I’d move the other free agents too, hey for Colume they might bet a case of Old Milwaukee :wink: :lol: But the bottom line is the worst thing that ever happened to Rob,Chip & Ernie (Pohlads sons, as Common Man refers to them)) is winning it all in 87 & 91 as young men. Because all they cars about now is enjoying the status & 💰 associated with being Major League owners, their desire to be the best team again is clearly not a top priority. And that’s how they’ve run the organization for many years…satisfied being 2nd tier. ☝️
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From LN3 article “ And when a team underperforms, changes need to be made. It remains to be seen if Michael Pineda and Andrelton Simmons — who also are free agents following the season — will be moved before the July 30 deadline. But the Cruz move had to happen; the Twins got two prospect and saved $5 million”. ☝️ With the POHLAD pocket protectors it’s always about the 💰 and their (self imposed) salary cap 😆
Saving $5 million when they're trying to re-sign Buxton and Berrios.
Seems like a good strategy to me.
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Beauner wrote:
Fri Jul 23 1:45 pm
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Fri Jul 23 9:54 am
From LN3 article “ And when a team underperforms, changes need to be made. It remains to be seen if Michael Pineda and Andrelton Simmons — who also are free agents following the season — will be moved before the July 30 deadline. But the Cruz move had to happen; the Twins got two prospect and saved $5 million”. ☝️ With the POHLAD pocket protectors it’s always about the 💰 and their (self imposed) salary cap 😆
Saving $5 million when they're trying to re-sign Buxton and Berrios.
Seems like a good strategy to me.
Hey Beauner…there’s no salary cap (just self imposed caps). But yeah, saving the 💰 was right up there with the 2 prospect arms for Rob, Chip & Ernie!

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bearpaw28 wrote:
Fri Jul 23 1:49 pm
Beauner wrote:
Fri Jul 23 1:45 pm
bearpaw28 wrote:
Fri Jul 23 9:54 am
From LN3 article “ And when a team underperforms, changes need to be made. It remains to be seen if Michael Pineda and Andrelton Simmons — who also are free agents following the season — will be moved before the July 30 deadline. But the Cruz move had to happen; the Twins got two prospect and saved $5 million”. ☝️ With the POHLAD pocket protectors it’s always about the 💰 and their (self imposed) salary cap 😆
Saving $5 million when they're trying to re-sign Buxton and Berrios.
Seems like a good strategy to me.
Hey Beauner…there’s no salary cap (just self imposed caps). But yeah, saving the 💰 was right up there with the 2 prospect arms for Rob, Chip & Ernie!
Even the Yankees have a self-imposed salary cap. It’s much higher than the Twins, but it’s still a thing. They just don’t want to pay any luxury tax.

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Post by Norm » Fri Jul 23 8:47 pm

How many teams would Happ be in the starting lineup for?

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Post by Beauner » Fri Jul 23 9:06 pm

Contending teams? Not many.
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Post by frozen4champs » Fri Jul 23 9:08 pm

Maybe an emergency starter for the Fairfax Cardinals in the Minnesota Baseball Association

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Post by mnpuckguy » Fri Jul 23 9:58 pm

Sano needs to move closer to the plate! He continually misses the pitch on the outside corner. Justin Mourneau mentioned it on the telecast the other night & I think he makes a valid point! What has he got to lose! He might actually make contact once in awhile!

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Sano needs to move closer to the plate! He continually misses the pitch on the outside corner. Justin Mourneau mentioned it on the telecast the other night & I think he makes a valid point! What has he got to lose! He might actually make contact once in awhile!
Yeah he could technically move an inch closer to the plate but then pitchers would just throw him hard inside. He's got plenty of length to reach the outside corner and then some. He just gets too pull happy at times and tries to yank the outside pitch and misses because he's in front of it. Which gives the impression of not being able to reach the outside corner.
When he doesn't try to pull everything (he's improved on that a lot compared to a few years ago but still looks like he tries too hard to pull instead of trusting his hands and the bat) he mashes the outer half. Of the 15 HRs he's hit this season, 9 are to CF, right center, or straight away RF. 4 of his 11 doubles are RC or RF too. Unfortunately I'm too tired to try to look up pitch locations on all those but I know at least a few of his HRs were on the corner or even off the plate.
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Post by bearpaw28 » Sat Jul 24 9:05 am

Nelson Cruz goes yard in his debut with the Rays…

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Nelson Cruz goes yard in his debut with the Rays…
Good. I hope he bats .900 with 40 HRs down the stretch. He deserves a ring and if he dominates then it hurts the Yankees so it's a double win.
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Post by frozen4champs » Sat Jul 24 8:29 pm

Could really use the reverse jinx about now, or Joe Mauer.
Twins getting no hit.
Angels no hitting the Twins.

Edit-- Super slugger Rooker breaks it up with 1 out in the 9th.

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Post by Maize » Sat Jul 24 8:38 pm

Beauner wrote:
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Nelson Cruz goes yard in his debut with the Rays…
Good. I hope he bats .900 with 40 HRs down the stretch. He deserves a ring and if he dominates then it hurts the Yankees so it's a double win.
Cruz could have hit .900 with 40 HRs down the stretch for the Twins and I don't think the Twins were making up the 15 games they needed to make the playoffs like some of the braintrust here seems to think.

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Post by Beauner » Sun Jul 25 9:53 am

Maize wrote:
Sat Jul 24 8:38 pm
Beauner wrote:
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Sat Jul 24 9:05 am
Nelson Cruz goes yard in his debut with the Rays…
Good. I hope he bats .900 with 40 HRs down the stretch. He deserves a ring and if he dominates then it hurts the Yankees so it's a double win.
Cruz could have hit .900 with 40 HRs down the stretch for the Twins and I don't think the Twins were making up the 15 games they needed to make the playoffs like some of the braintrust here seems to think.
I get the desire to keep him here as a fan. He's been a tremendous positive influence in the locker room and seemingly loved playing here. But business-wise it was the only logical explanation. And for a team that wants more pitching to get two very quality options for 2.5 months of a DH and a non-top 30 prospect? That's a good haul.
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Post by Maize » Sun Jul 25 10:31 am

Plus, what would have been Cruz's four at-bats last night instead end up going to Rooker. If you've got to give a guy a couple hundred PAs to see what you've got, now is the time to do it.

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Post by Beauner » Sun Jul 25 1:28 pm

Brent Rooker hit this ball a long long way

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Post by J22 » Sun Jul 25 2:10 pm

frozen4champs wrote:
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even worse, there are reports that he pulled both hamstrings leaving the meeting.

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Post by bearpaw28 » Sun Jul 25 2:17 pm

J22 wrote:
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even worse, there are reports that he pulled both hamstrings leaving the meeting.
lmao…it wouldn’t be so funny if it wasn’t within the realm of possibility with regards to BB :lol:

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Post by Bertogliat » Mon Jul 26 7:54 pm

Twins can’t let him go. Buxton is a player they have to sign.

That was an obvious low ball offer. I’m afraid the Twins are going to pull the “well we tried but he wouldn’t sign with us” type offer.

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Post by sunbone » Mon Jul 26 8:11 pm

Bertogliat wrote:
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Twins can’t let him go. Buxton is a player they have to sign.

That was an obvious low ball offer. I’m afraid the Twins are going to pull the “well we tried but he wouldn’t sign with us” type offer.
Before we call it a low ball offer do we know what it actually was? And no offense to Byron, but how much should a team be willing to commit to a guy who plays in about 30% of his teams games. I don’t blame the Twins one bit for being hesitant to give a guy huge money that can never stay on the field.

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Post by bearpaw28 » Mon Jul 26 8:41 pm

sunbone wrote:
Mon Jul 26 8:11 pm
Bertogliat wrote:
Mon Jul 26 7:54 pm
Twins can’t let him go. Buxton is a player they have to sign.

That was an obvious low ball offer. I’m afraid the Twins are going to pull the “well we tried but he wouldn’t sign with us” type offer.
Before we call it a low ball offer do we know what it actually was? And no offense to Byron, but how much should a team be willing to commit to a guy who plays in about 30% of his teams games. I don’t blame the Twins one bit for being hesitant to give a guy huge money that can never stay on the field.
I have ZERO idea what a fair offer to BB would be. But…over the past 30 years Twins management & ownership don’t exactly have the greatest track record regarding their willingness to spend 💰with the goal being winning a 3rd World Series title ☝️ Frankly I’ve lost interest in the team & am fatigued by BB constantly being injured, fatigued of their record consecutive game playoff losing streak. So at this point, whatever happens…happens. The whole 🤬 mess is frustrating & it’s hard to not feel apathetic regarding the Twins…they’ve disappointed for 30 years with no end in sight. Despite their woes, at least I feel like Vikings & Wild management & ownership are committed to some day being champions. The Twins on the other hand…no so much, the almighty💰is ALWAYS their #1 priority imho…
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Post by Karlsson » Mon Jul 26 8:43 pm

I can't remember the specifics of what they offered, but it was obviously below what he'd get in free agency.

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Post by Maize » Mon Jul 26 9:00 pm

I think I heard $80M guaranteed over seven years. I'm sure the contract offer was also very incentive-heavy which could change it significantly, but that offer was in the Kevin Kiermaier/Dexter Fowler range.

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I think I heard $80M guaranteed over seven years. I'm sure the contract offer was also very incentive-heavy which could change it significantly, but that offer was in the Kevin Kiermaier/Dexter Fowler range.
Therein lies the problem. When healthy, with what we've seen, he's worth a 7-8 year deal worth 250mil. But how do you properly value a guy who averages missing half a season?
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Beauner wrote:
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I think I heard $80M guaranteed over seven years. I'm sure the contract offer was also very incentive-heavy which could change it significantly, but that offer was in the Kevin Kiermaier/Dexter Fowler range.
Therein lies the problem. When healthy, with what we've seen, he's worth a 7-8 year deal worth 250mil. But how do you properly value a guy who averages missing half a season?
I think it's coming down to:
1. Twins overpay him, and hope he stays healthy, in which case, it's a good contract.
2. Some other team overpays in trade, and hopes he stays healthy, in which case, it's a good trade.
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Post by Beauner » Mon Jul 26 10:51 pm

The Rube wrote:
Mon Jul 26 10:14 pm
Beauner wrote:
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Maize wrote:
Mon Jul 26 9:00 pm
I think I heard $80M guaranteed over seven years. I'm sure the contract offer was also very incentive-heavy which could change it significantly, but that offer was in the Kevin Kiermaier/Dexter Fowler range.
Therein lies the problem. When healthy, with what we've seen, he's worth a 7-8 year deal worth 250mil. But how do you properly value a guy who averages missing half a season?
I think it's coming down to:
1. Twins overpay him, and hope he stays healthy, in which case, it's a good contract.
2. Some other team overpays in trade, and hopes he stays healthy, in which case, it's a good trade.
If the Twins trade him and he stays healthy there are virtually zero returns they'd get for him that would make it a good trade for their franchise.
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This Soto kid for Detroit has some juice. 98-100mph with a wicked slider at 91-92.
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Post by The Rube » Mon Jul 26 10:57 pm

Beauner wrote:
Mon Jul 26 10:51 pm
The Rube wrote:
Mon Jul 26 10:14 pm
Beauner wrote:
Mon Jul 26 9:04 pm
Maize wrote:
Mon Jul 26 9:00 pm
I think I heard $80M guaranteed over seven years. I'm sure the contract offer was also very incentive-heavy which could change it significantly, but that offer was in the Kevin Kiermaier/Dexter Fowler range.
Therein lies the problem. When healthy, with what we've seen, he's worth a 7-8 year deal worth 250mil. But how do you properly value a guy who averages missing half a season?
I think it's coming down to:
1. Twins overpay him, and hope he stays healthy, in which case, it's a good contract.
2. Some other team overpays in trade, and hopes he stays healthy, in which case, it's a good trade.
If the Twins trade him and he stays healthy there are virtually zero returns they'd get for him that would make it a good trade for their franchise.
IF he stays healthy. I could see some team overpaying in that hope. The word "IF" is a big word in Buxton's case. I mean, we still have Bobby Bonilla Day, there are always teams that will overpay....
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Post by Beauner » Mon Jul 26 11:30 pm

The Rube wrote:
Mon Jul 26 10:57 pm
Beauner wrote:
Mon Jul 26 10:51 pm
The Rube wrote:
Mon Jul 26 10:14 pm
Beauner wrote:
Mon Jul 26 9:04 pm
Maize wrote:
Mon Jul 26 9:00 pm
I think I heard $80M guaranteed over seven years. I'm sure the contract offer was also very incentive-heavy which could change it significantly, but that offer was in the Kevin Kiermaier/Dexter Fowler range.
Therein lies the problem. When healthy, with what we've seen, he's worth a 7-8 year deal worth 250mil. But how do you properly value a guy who averages missing half a season?
I think it's coming down to:
1. Twins overpay him, and hope he stays healthy, in which case, it's a good contract.
2. Some other team overpays in trade, and hopes he stays healthy, in which case, it's a good trade.
If the Twins trade him and he stays healthy there are virtually zero returns they'd get for him that would make it a good trade for their franchise.
IF he stays healthy. I could see some team overpaying in that hope. The word "IF" is a big word in Buxton's case. I mean, we still have Bobby Bonilla Day, there are always teams that will overpay....
The problem with that logic is that a healthy Buxton that plays the way he has so far this season is arguably the best player in the league.
Buxton has a 2.9 WAR right now in 110 plate appearances (according to ESPN). There are only like 30 position players that have a higher WAR than he does, and WAR is a stat that improves with the more games you play.
IF he stays healthy and produces like that, or even 80% of that, he's a top 5-10 position player in the game when you factor in how he changes games defensively. The only way a team would "overpay" in a trade for that is if a team like Seattle gave us Kelenic (#4 overall prospect), Rodriguez (#5 overall prospect), and Hancock (a top 30 prospect). And ALL of those guys would have to reach the majors and at least become above average to match what we've seen Buxton be able to do when he's healthy for it to be "overpaying".

As far as overpaying with a contract extension: the best way to safeguard against that is with what the Twins are already trying to do. Give him a decent chunk of guaranteed money ($10-13 million a year). Then load the contract with escalators and incentives.
Play 75 games? Here's another $2mil. Play 100? Here's another $3mil. Play 125? $5mil more. Play 150+? $7million. With the production he's had when healthy in his career, he's a 20ish million a year player. With the ridiculous offensive outburst he's had when healthy this season adding in his incredible defense? He's worth 30+ (i mean realistically with what we've seen this season, if it were to continue for a whole year, he'd probably fetch close to Trout AAV from SD, LAD, or the Yankees).
Obviously Buxton's camp wants as much up-front money as they can get and fewer incentives. But I have to assume a majority of suitors if he were to hit FA would want to offer the same type of incentive laden deal.
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Post by The Rube » Mon Jul 26 11:39 pm

IF.

Do the Twins load up the contract, or does another team? I don't THINK another team will load up prospects in a trade, it'd be proven players. With the Cruz trade, as old as he is, I think the Twins are in a mode where they make a run in 3-4 years. I think this current window is closed. Another way to put it, is that the Twins don't want the "now" players, they want the future (sound familiar?). And I don't think anyone will bite.
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Post by Beauner » Tue Jul 27 8:14 am

The Rube wrote:
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IF.

Do the Twins load up the contract, or does another team? I don't THINK another team will load up prospects in a trade, it'd be proven players. With the Cruz trade, as old as he is, I think the Twins are in a mode where they make a run in 3-4 years. I think this current window is closed. Another way to put it, is that the Twins don't want the "now" players, they want the future (sound familiar?). And I don't think anyone will bite.
I disagree that the window is closed (I mean obviously this year's is). Unless they sell off Buxton and Berrios this week, in which case the window would open up again very quickly (like 2 years) IMO, assuming the scouting department hits on the prospects they want.

They are still in the top half of baseball in the majority of offensive categories (runs, BA, OPS, HRs, etc.) Obviously Cruz was a big part of that offense but we aren't necessarily lacking in power bats that are close to MLB ready or already here. They have a pretty solid farm system and have 6 pitchers in their top 10 prospects that we'll likely see sooner than later (5, in reality since Chase Petty is probably 4-5 years away) that are at/near the time they'll start making their MLB debuts. And added two more in the Cruz trade.

Outside of Cruz and Simmons, the rest of the offense is 1) under contract for a couple years and 2) mostly young -Donaldson being the exception in age.
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