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Re: Minnesota Twins 2014-2020: Here's Your Damn Thread

Post by The Rube » Wed Jun 05 9:21 pm

Maize wrote:
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Craig Kimbrel to the Cubs sounds like a done deal. Damn.
Twins offered two years, Cubs were willing to give him a third year. Like I've said, I'm fine passing on Kimbrel. He wasn't good in the playoffs and is coming in late.

Deliver the knockout punch to Cleveland here and see if you can get Brad Hand in a couple weeks.
The Twins went after him, but it seems like we're doing fairly well without him. *shrug*
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Post by Karlsson » Wed Jun 05 10:35 pm

Dammit, Kepler. I get it, he thinks they'll throw home with Sano being the lead runner. But still. Dammit, Kepler.

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Post by Karlsson » Wed Jun 05 10:42 pm

Well, we finally gave up the lead. Can we start pitching again?

Edit: No. 8-7 tribe now.

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Post by Laxref » Wed Jun 05 10:50 pm

This team is a pretender w this staff, lineup is good enough to win the ship, Falvine have their work cut out for them to add some sort of effective arms.

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Post by Karlsson » Wed Jun 05 11:06 pm

WTF was that, Duffey?

9-7. Lindor, of course.
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Post by Maize » Wed Jun 05 11:07 pm

Nice gesture by the Indians to give free baseballs to every fan that stuck around after the rain delay.

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Post by Karlsson » Wed Jun 05 11:21 pm

Sure would be nice to have a Brad Hand in the pen.

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Post by Handyman » Wed Jun 05 11:29 pm

Laxref wrote:
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This team is a pretender w this staff, lineup is good enough to win the ship, Falvine have their work cut out for them to add some sort of effective arms.
I think it is a bit of an overreaction to say they are a pretender. They have issues, but in reality who doesnt. Pitching isnt lighting the league on fire anywhere in the League for various reasons.
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Post by streakygopher » Wed Jun 05 11:50 pm

The staff choked pretty badly tonight, choking away an early 5-1 lead. Pretty ugly loss, given they put up 7 runs and lead for most of the game.

Would have been nice to go into Cleveland with a swagger and take care of business. Now, they can only hope to salvage a win.

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Post by Superstar » Thu Jun 06 9:56 am

New security policies at Target Field starting next week. The one that has me wondering about the most is the "one compartment bag". 99.99% of the bags people bring in have at least a small zippered compartment or something. Is that not allowed now?

But, you won't have to completely empty your pockets. But unless the metal detectors are desensitized (is that the correct word), they're gonna go off with everyone and it's gonna make the entry process even slower. Just not seeing how this is gonna help much.

Although...they are starting "Clear" for stadiums. It's what they have at airports, where you can enter through security much more quickly. And it's free to sign up. You can be sure I signed up right away!

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Post by Handyman » Thu Jun 06 10:09 am

I have had Clear for a year...it rocks and is worth it when it isnt free anymore if you travel at all.
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Post by Jane Fonda » Thu Jun 06 10:56 am

The bullpen is $h!t. They've had a good ERA this year...working in tons of low stress situations. They crack when the pressure is on. Need 2 or 3 new bullpen arms to be true title contenders.

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Post by Bertogliat » Thu Jun 06 11:13 am

Superstar wrote:
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New security policies at Target Field starting next week. The one that has me wondering about the most is the "one compartment bag". 99.99% of the bags people bring in have at least a small zippered compartment or something. Is that not allowed now?

But, you won't have to completely empty your pockets. But unless the metal detectors are desensitized (is that the correct word), they're gonna go off with everyone and it's gonna make the entry process even slower. Just not seeing how this is gonna help much.

Although...they are starting "Clear" for stadiums. It's what they have at airports, where you can enter through security much more quickly. And it's free to sign up. You can be sure I signed up right away!
The clear website says its $180/ year.....

What is free?

Edit- I figured it out. Clear is free for stadiums and $180 per year for airports.

The TSA Precheck line is still short enough that I don't think the $180 is worth it. But someday.....

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Post by Handyman » Thu Jun 06 12:44 pm

It depends when you fly...it saved me a ton last year a couple of times.
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Post by JWG » Thu Jun 06 1:50 pm

Clear is very much helpful at high traffic times and at certain airports. It saved me once when parking was full at MSP and I had to seek out parking (yea yea, check before you go).

It has also made security at Atlanta airport bearable.
I'm glad the Twins have it now, nice to be able to use it for something more than the airport.

Surprised it's totally free for stadiums, kind of defeats the purpose of quicker entry and there is a cost to the program (staffing the kiosks, enrolling, etc.).
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Post by Bertogliat » Thu Jun 06 2:53 pm

So at the airport I get Clear is used solely to identify a person so they don't have to go through the TSA ID checking process. I don't believe there is a background check associated with Clear. And everyone who goes through the Clear line still is required to go through security (whether TSA precheck or normal security).

What is the benefit to having Clear at the stadiums? Now they know who is at the stadiums, but they don't know if I am any more of a threat than the person going through the normal security line.

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Post by Handyman » Thu Jun 06 3:09 pm

Bertogliat wrote:
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So at the airport I get Clear is used solely to identify a person so they don't have to go through the TSA ID checking process. I don't believe there is a background check associated with Clear. And everyone who goes through the Clear line still is required to go through security (whether TSA precheck or normal security).

What is the benefit to having Clear at the stadiums? Now they know who is at the stadiums, but they don't know if I am any more of a threat than the person going through the normal security line.
No idea what it is for the stadiums...I wondered that when I saw it on the web site when I signed up 2 years ago.

The one issue I have with Clear is that it is only in a limited amount of airports. If I fly Sun Country (which admittedly I wont be doing much of anymore because their fees are garbage and their amenities suck) I cant use it cause it is only at the main terminal. If it expands to more airports it will be a godsend.

Last year going to Paaris we got to the terminal the normal amount of time early. The TSA Pre-Check line was very long. GF and I went to Clear (we hadnt set it up yet) and no joke 5 minutes later we are sitting at the gate. It took 2 minutes to do the fingerprint and eye scan then they walked us up to the TSA agent who gave us a once over and we went through the pre-check metal detector. (meaning no taking off shoes, no taking out laptops just drop your bag and walk through) It was awesome :)

As for the Twins we all knew the bullpen was the weak link so it isnt surprising they are having some issues right now. Personally I would move Smeltzer to the BP because I never see him being a long innings guy but I think he could be a good one time through the order type of reliever. They need to maker a deal for someone at some point though. With that said though I am not sure any team in the AL is without a major fault or two so it isnt like we risk falling off a cliff. We lost two games on the road the world isnt ending yet :)
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Post by Bertogliat » Thu Jun 06 3:51 pm

Handyman wrote:
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As for the Twins we all knew the bullpen was the weak link so it isnt surprising they are having some issues right now. Personally I would move Smeltzer to the BP because I never see him being a long innings guy but I think he could be a good one time through the order type of reliever. They need to maker a deal for someone at some point though. With that said though I am not sure any team in the AL is without a major fault or two so it isnt like we risk falling off a cliff. We lost two games on the road the world isnt ending yet :)
I thought the deal with Smeltzer is that he was a relief pitcher and was not successful, with Dodgers or Twins, so he asked to be given another chance at starting and that is when he blossomed.

Sounds like he's a worse relief pitcher than starter. And we should give the guy a chance since he's had exactly 2 Major League appearances and id very well against a strong Devil Rays team.

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Post by Vegasgopher » Thu Jun 06 5:38 pm

I'm completely ok they passed on kimbrel at 3 yrs/$43m...only time will tell if I'm wrong

However, they do need to improve the pitching staff before the deadline...of course to me the gold standard move was Houston picking up veralnder late and winning it all...not sure that's out there for us, yet...I see them standing pat until "sellers" start dumping arms. They have some value prospects that will fetch some pitchers

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Post by Jane Fonda » Thu Jun 06 5:54 pm

I wonder if Pineda or Perez would be decent from the bullpen, if they were to get a starter. Would be nice to see them go after a big name starter...Bumgarner or Sherzer?

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Post by Bertogliat » Thu Jun 06 6:35 pm

Kepler has looked like such a dumbass at the plate the last couple of days and today head leads off with a tater.

Go figure.

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Post by Beauner » Thu Jun 06 6:50 pm

Bertogliat wrote:
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Kepler has looked like such a dumbass at the plate the last couple of days and today head leads off with a tater.

Go figure.
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Post by Beauner » Thu Jun 06 6:53 pm

Jane Fonda wrote:
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I wonder if Pineda or Perez would be decent from the bullpen, if they were to get a starter. Would be nice to see them go after a big name starter...Bumgarner or Sherzer?
Texas used Perez out of the bullpen last year with some pretty good results. I could see Pineda being an effective relief pitcher with his fastball/slider combo. Especially if he adds the traditional 2-3mph that starters add when they get to the bullpen.
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Post by Vegasgopher » Thu Jun 06 7:02 pm

Then adding a 1st rate quality starter should be job #1...time to spend...not a rental...tough parameters I know

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Post by Greyeagle » Thu Jun 06 8:05 pm

That change up was filthy!
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Post by Jane Fonda » Thu Jun 06 8:08 pm

Kepler, again.

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Post by Bigbeer » Thu Jun 06 8:08 pm

Beauner wrote:
Thu Jun 06 6:50 pm
Bertogliat wrote:
Thu Jun 06 6:35 pm
Kepler has looked like such a dumbass at the plate the last couple of days and today head leads off with a tater.

Go figure.
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Post by Jane Fonda » Thu Jun 06 8:16 pm

God Bless America, for D-Day. Awkward for Max Kepler... :lol:

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Post by Karlsson » Thu Jun 06 8:24 pm

Magill comes in, 4 pitch walk. Hold on to your butts.

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Post by Handyman » Thu Jun 06 8:25 pm

I turned the game on late so maybe Berrios has like 135 pitches or something but why pull him after an error in the first at bat of the inning to bring in the bullpen that has sucked to say the least? I love Rocco but that just seemed like a weird move.
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Post by Bertogliat » Thu Jun 06 8:30 pm

Because it’s weird to have a pitcher go more than 6 innings these days.

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Bertogliat wrote:
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Because it’s weird to have a pitcher go more than 6 innings these days.
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May got out of the inning. Next time Rocco skip Mr. Magoo ;)
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Post by MinnesotaNorthStar » Thu Jun 06 8:48 pm

Sounds like Keuchel to Atlanta...
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Post by Cowgirl » Thu Jun 06 9:12 pm

The bullpen trying to make it interesting again I see.

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Cowgirl wrote:
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The bullpen trying to make it interesting again I see.
Successfully making it interesting.
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Post by Bertogliat » Thu Jun 06 9:15 pm

How much will the Twins overpay for mediocre pitching now?

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Bertogliat wrote:
Thu Jun 06 9:15 pm
How much will the Twins overpay for mediocre pitching now?
Twins? Overspend? Pitching?

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Post by Bertogliat » Thu Jun 06 9:24 pm

Karlsson wrote:
Thu Jun 06 9:22 pm
Bertogliat wrote:
Thu Jun 06 9:15 pm
How much will the Twins overpay for mediocre pitching now?
Twins? Overspend? Pitching?

:wink:
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Post by Jane Fonda » Thu Jun 06 9:29 pm

Bertogliat wrote:
Thu Jun 06 9:24 pm
Karlsson wrote:
Thu Jun 06 9:22 pm
Bertogliat wrote:
Thu Jun 06 9:15 pm
How much will the Twins overpay for mediocre pitching now?
Twins? Overspend? Pitching?

:wink:
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Post by Cowgirl » Thu Jun 06 9:30 pm

Karlsson wrote:
Thu Jun 06 9:22 pm
Bertogliat wrote:
Thu Jun 06 9:15 pm
How much will the Twins overpay for mediocre pitching now?
Twins? Overspend? Pitching?

:wink:
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Post by Jane Fonda » Thu Jun 06 9:34 pm

I'm hopeful that Graterol will be ready to be a big arm in the bullpen in September. :beg:

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Post by F Da Sue » Fri Jun 07 12:45 am

Vegasgopher wrote:
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I'm completely ok they passed on kimbrel at 3 yrs/$43m...only time will tell if I'm wrong

However, they do need to improve the pitching staff before the deadline...of course to me the gold standard move was Houston picking up veralnder late and winning it all...not sure that's out there for us, yet...I see them standing pat until "sellers" start dumping arms. They have some value prospects that will fetch some pitchers
We’ll never know but he’s a helluva pitcher.


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Post by Beauner » Fri Jun 07 7:40 am

Handyman wrote:
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I turned the game on late so maybe Berrios has like 135 pitches or something but why pull him after an error in the first at bat of the inning to bring in the bullpen that has sucked to say the least? I love Rocco but that just seemed like a weird move.
He was at/around 110 I believe.
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Post by Beauner » Fri Jun 07 7:44 am

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How much will the Twins overpay for mediocre pitching now?
Twins? Overspend? Pitching?

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Not dollars.....players.
Say goodbye to Kiriloff. Have to imagine that Lewis and Graterol are untouchable.
They aren't trading Kiriloff for a rental. At this point he may be more untouchable than Lewis. Lewis has shown some warts in high A. Hitting .230/.292/.342 with like 60 Ks in 230 ABs.
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Post by Handyman » Fri Jun 07 10:32 am

It is always so cute to see fans (not here but on Twitter) who act like the Twins didnt make a move to try and get the two FAs. All indications were they were doing what they could but the pitchers wanted quite a bit. I would have loved if they signed them but I am not under the delusion that the team didnt make an effort to try.

Someone said "take your opinion on whether the Twins should have signed Kimbrel, put it in a can and bury it in your yard and dig it up 3 years from now and see if you still have the same opinion.
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Handyman wrote:
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It is always so cute to see fans (not here but on Twitter) who act like the Twins didnt make a move to try and get the two FAs. All indications were they were doing what they could but the pitchers wanted quite a bit. I would have loved if they signed them but I am not under the delusion that the team didnt make an effort to try.

Someone said "take your opinion on whether the Twins should have signed Kimbrel, put it in a can and bury it in your yard and dig it up 3 years from now and see if you still have the same opinion.
Fans who listen to Dan Cole and believe his opinions fall into this category. Yes, it's a bit and I listened to him for many years but the callers to his show frighten me with their idiotic takes.

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Post by JWG » Fri Jun 07 11:49 am

There's some fair questioning on the Kimbrel situation. The Cubs deal and Twins offer were far apart. So, either Twins didn't see the value the Cubs did or the Twins weren't really being competitive. Not sure which, but when that far apart fair to ask if we were really trying. They need to make something happen with pitching. You can't sell the farm on one guy, but at the same time you have to be in the game. There's a window this year, don't waste it.
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There's some fair questioning on the Kimbrel situation. The Cubs deal and Twins offer were far apart. So, either Twins didn't see the value the Cubs did or the Twins weren't really being competitive. Not sure which, but when that far apart fair to ask if we were really trying. They need to make something happen with pitching. You can't sell the farm on one guy, but at the same time you have to be in the game. There's a window this year, don't waste it.
The Twins will always be a 2nd tier team when it comes to signing free agents. They are NEVER going to outbid the Yankees, Red Sox, Cubs or Dodgers for s free agent on amount (or term). And there’s always a bogus excuse following whenever they come up “just” short. Not saying they should have signed either of these guys. Just saying the PPP culture is ingrained into the organization. And priority wise...it’s numero uno.

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There's some fair questioning on the Kimbrel situation. The Cubs deal and Twins offer were far apart. So, either Twins didn't see the value the Cubs did or the Twins weren't really being competitive. Not sure which, but when that far apart fair to ask if we were really trying. They need to make something happen with pitching. You can't sell the farm on one guy, but at the same time you have to be in the game. There's a window this year, don't waste it.
The Cubs can afford to blow that kind of coin...plus their division is way better they Need to take that chance. If he underperforms the Cubs can deal with it the Twins can't.

Sorry I am glad they didn't get held hostage by either guy. If they had and the player stunk the whining by the faithful would be ridiculous.

The Twins are in no danger...make a deal later don't shoot your wad now.
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Post by Bertogliat » Fri Jun 07 2:22 pm

Handyman wrote:
Fri Jun 07 12:21 pm
JWG wrote:
Fri Jun 07 11:49 am
There's some fair questioning on the Kimbrel situation. The Cubs deal and Twins offer were far apart. So, either Twins didn't see the value the Cubs did or the Twins weren't really being competitive. Not sure which, but when that far apart fair to ask if we were really trying. They need to make something happen with pitching. You can't sell the farm on one guy, but at the same time you have to be in the game. There's a window this year, don't waste it.
The Cubs can afford to blow that kind of coin...plus their division is way better they Need to take that chance. If he underperforms the Cubs can deal with it the Twins can't.

Sorry I am glad they didn't get held hostage by either guy. If they had and the player stunk the whining by the faithful would be ridiculous.

The Twins are in no danger...make a deal later don't shoot your wad now.
They may find themselves with the leftovers, which may not be an improvement. They still have the money from the Mauer contract to spend, no? So go out and spend the dough.

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Post by Beauner » Fri Jun 07 3:10 pm

They offered Kimbrel a good chunk of of change. Kimbrel wanted more years. The Twins didn't want to get tied up in a contract with a guy who hasn't been an effective post-season reliever for a long term deal at a high cost, especially as he gets older and loses velocity and spin rate.

I'd have absolutely taken him on the team, but I'm not going to act like it's the end of the world or SAME OLD POHLAD POCKET PROTECTION!!! type scenario that Kimbrel signed elsewhere.

There are about 12 teams contending for the playoffs this year currently. There will be plenty of teams selling off quality relievers for mid-tier prospects in the next month and a half. Guys with team control or cheaper contracts. Guys who have been playing games that matter since March and aren't coming in (relatively speaking) cold in the middle of the season.
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Post by Vegasgopher » Fri Jun 07 3:43 pm

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They offered Kimbrel a good chunk of of change. Kimbrel wanted more years. The Twins didn't want to get tied up in a contract with a guy who hasn't been an effective post-season reliever for a long term deal at a high cost, especially as he gets older and loses velocity and spin rate.

I'd have absolutely taken him on the team, but I'm not going to act like it's the end of the world or SAME OLD POHLAD POCKET PROTECTION!!! type scenario that Kimbrel signed elsewhere.

There are about 12 teams contending for the playoffs this year currently. There will be plenty of teams selling off quality relievers for mid-tier prospects in the next month and a half. Guys with team control or cheaper contracts. Guys who have been playing games that matter since March and aren't coming in (relatively speaking) cold in the middle of the season.
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Post by Handyman » Fri Jun 07 5:47 pm

Bertogliat wrote:
Fri Jun 07 2:22 pm
Handyman wrote:
Fri Jun 07 12:21 pm
JWG wrote:
Fri Jun 07 11:49 am
There's some fair questioning on the Kimbrel situation. The Cubs deal and Twins offer were far apart. So, either Twins didn't see the value the Cubs did or the Twins weren't really being competitive. Not sure which, but when that far apart fair to ask if we were really trying. They need to make something happen with pitching. You can't sell the farm on one guy, but at the same time you have to be in the game. There's a window this year, don't waste it.
The Cubs can afford to blow that kind of coin...plus their division is way better they Need to take that chance. If he underperforms the Cubs can deal with it the Twins can't.

Sorry I am glad they didn't get held hostage by either guy. If they had and the player stunk the whining by the faithful would be ridiculous.

The Twins are in no danger...make a deal later don't shoot your wad now.
They may find themselves with the leftovers, which may not be an improvement. They still have the money from the Mauer contract to spend, no? So go out and spend the dough.
They tried, he said no. You want them to just keep throwing money at him til he says yes because that is just downright stupid.

No one is saying they shouldnt spend money...but they should be smart about it while they do it.
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I'm so glad Gardy isn't the manager of the Twins anymore.
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Post by sunbone » Fri Jun 07 7:59 pm

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I'm so glad Gardy isn't the manager of the Twins anymore.
I’m so glad Molitor isn’t the manager of the Twins anymore.

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Handyman wrote:
Fri Jun 07 5:47 pm
Bertogliat wrote:
Fri Jun 07 2:22 pm
Handyman wrote:
Fri Jun 07 12:21 pm
JWG wrote:
Fri Jun 07 11:49 am
There's some fair questioning on the Kimbrel situation. The Cubs deal and Twins offer were far apart. So, either Twins didn't see the value the Cubs did or the Twins weren't really being competitive. Not sure which, but when that far apart fair to ask if we were really trying. They need to make something happen with pitching. You can't sell the farm on one guy, but at the same time you have to be in the game. There's a window this year, don't waste it.
The Cubs can afford to blow that kind of coin...plus their division is way better they Need to take that chance. If he underperforms the Cubs can deal with it the Twins can't.

Sorry I am glad they didn't get held hostage by either guy. If they had and the player stunk the whining by the faithful would be ridiculous.

The Twins are in no danger...make a deal later don't shoot your wad now.
They may find themselves with the leftovers, which may not be an improvement. They still have the money from the Mauer contract to spend, no? So go out and spend the dough.
They tried, he said no. You want them to just keep throwing money at him til he says yes because that is just downright stupid.

No one is saying they shouldnt spend money...but they should be smart about it while they do it.
This. Hey, take a look at that, we're still one of the best teams in baseball. Huh.
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Post by Bertogliat » Fri Jun 07 9:45 pm

Handyman wrote:
Fri Jun 07 5:47 pm
Bertogliat wrote:
Fri Jun 07 2:22 pm
Handyman wrote:
Fri Jun 07 12:21 pm
JWG wrote:
Fri Jun 07 11:49 am
There's some fair questioning on the Kimbrel situation. The Cubs deal and Twins offer were far apart. So, either Twins didn't see the value the Cubs did or the Twins weren't really being competitive. Not sure which, but when that far apart fair to ask if we were really trying. They need to make something happen with pitching. You can't sell the farm on one guy, but at the same time you have to be in the game. There's a window this year, don't waste it.
The Cubs can afford to blow that kind of coin...plus their division is way better they Need to take that chance. If he underperforms the Cubs can deal with it the Twins can't.

Sorry I am glad they didn't get held hostage by either guy. If they had and the player stunk the whining by the faithful would be ridiculous.

The Twins are in no danger...make a deal later don't shoot your wad now.
They may find themselves with the leftovers, which may not be an improvement. They still have the money from the Mauer contract to spend, no? So go out and spend the dough.
They tried, he said no. You want them to just keep throwing money at him til he says yes because that is just downright stupid.

No one is saying they shouldnt spend money...but they should be smart about it while they do it.
It’s hard to say you really tried when you give an offer that has no chance of being accepted. I don’t know what they offered, but the story line is so familiar I find it curious and I don’t buy it.

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We are really good at pretending ;)
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Post by Jane Fonda » Fri Jun 07 9:45 pm

I don't think Parker can be trusted at all at this point.

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Post by The Rube » Fri Jun 07 9:50 pm

Bertogliat wrote:
Fri Jun 07 9:45 pm
Handyman wrote:
Fri Jun 07 5:47 pm
Bertogliat wrote:
Fri Jun 07 2:22 pm
Handyman wrote:
Fri Jun 07 12:21 pm
JWG wrote:
Fri Jun 07 11:49 am
There's some fair questioning on the Kimbrel situation. The Cubs deal and Twins offer were far apart. So, either Twins didn't see the value the Cubs did or the Twins weren't really being competitive. Not sure which, but when that far apart fair to ask if we were really trying. They need to make something happen with pitching. You can't sell the farm on one guy, but at the same time you have to be in the game. There's a window this year, don't waste it.
The Cubs can afford to blow that kind of coin...plus their division is way better they Need to take that chance. If he underperforms the Cubs can deal with it the Twins can't.

Sorry I am glad they didn't get held hostage by either guy. If they had and the player stunk the whining by the faithful would be ridiculous.

The Twins are in no danger...make a deal later don't shoot your wad now.
They may find themselves with the leftovers, which may not be an improvement. They still have the money from the Mauer contract to spend, no? So go out and spend the dough.
They tried, he said no. You want them to just keep throwing money at him til he says yes because that is just downright stupid.

No one is saying they shouldnt spend money...but they should be smart about it while they do it.
It’s hard to say you really tried when you give an offer that has no chance of being accepted. I don’t know what they offered, but the story line is so familiar I find it curious and I don’t buy it.
I heard they offered what he wanted, but then Cubs offered extra year/money. Kinda tough to beat that.
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Post by bearpaw28 » Fri Jun 07 9:52 pm

The Rube wrote:
Fri Jun 07 9:50 pm
Bertogliat wrote:
Fri Jun 07 9:45 pm
Handyman wrote:
Fri Jun 07 5:47 pm
Bertogliat wrote:
Fri Jun 07 2:22 pm
Handyman wrote:
Fri Jun 07 12:21 pm
JWG wrote:
Fri Jun 07 11:49 am
There's some fair questioning on the Kimbrel situation. The Cubs deal and Twins offer were far apart. So, either Twins didn't see the value the Cubs did or the Twins weren't really being competitive. Not sure which, but when that far apart fair to ask if we were really trying. They need to make something happen with pitching. You can't sell the farm on one guy, but at the same time you have to be in the game. There's a window this year, don't waste it.
The Cubs can afford to blow that kind of coin...plus their division is way better they Need to take that chance. If he underperforms the Cubs can deal with it the Twins can't.

Sorry I am glad they didn't get held hostage by either guy. If they had and the player stunk the whining by the faithful would be ridiculous.

The Twins are in no danger...make a deal later don't shoot your wad now.
They may find themselves with the leftovers, which may not be an improvement. They still have the money from the Mauer contract to spend, no? So go out and spend the dough.
They tried, he said no. You want them to just keep throwing money at him til he says yes because that is just downright stupid.

No one is saying they shouldnt spend money...but they should be smart about it while they do it.
It’s hard to say you really tried when you give an offer that has no chance of being accepted. I don’t know what they offered, but the story line is so familiar I find it curious and I don’t buy it.
I heard they offered what he wanted, but then Cubs offered extra year/money. Kinda tough to beat that.
It certainly is when you’re up against the salary cap 😉

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No, it's cost/risk. Don't overpay. I mentioned earlier the Barry Bonds Day. ;)
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No, it's cost/risk. Don't overpay. I mentioned earlier the Barry Bonds Day. ;)
Bobby Bonilla day, isn't it?

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No, it's cost/risk. Don't overpay. I mentioned earlier the Barry Bonds Day. ;)
Bobby Bonilla day, isn't it?
My bad, yes. I shall spend 2 minutes in the box and feel shame.
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Post by Beauner » Fri Jun 07 10:06 pm

sunbone wrote:
Fri Jun 07 7:59 pm
Beauner wrote:
Fri Jun 07 7:28 pm
I'm so glad Gardy isn't the manager of the Twins anymore.
I’m so glad Molitor isn’t the manager of the Twins anymore.
Him too. But at least Molitor didn't decide he wanted to get ejected for arguing a call that could not have been more accurate. Boyd balked 5 times in the first three innings. First base ump was apparently not paying attention. So the plate ump decided he was going to finally call it (well within his rights).
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Post by Beauner » Fri Jun 07 10:12 pm

Bertogliat wrote:
Fri Jun 07 9:45 pm
Handyman wrote:
Fri Jun 07 5:47 pm
Bertogliat wrote:
Fri Jun 07 2:22 pm
Handyman wrote:
Fri Jun 07 12:21 pm
JWG wrote:
Fri Jun 07 11:49 am
There's some fair questioning on the Kimbrel situation. The Cubs deal and Twins offer were far apart. So, either Twins didn't see the value the Cubs did or the Twins weren't really being competitive. Not sure which, but when that far apart fair to ask if we were really trying. They need to make something happen with pitching. You can't sell the farm on one guy, but at the same time you have to be in the game. There's a window this year, don't waste it.
The Cubs can afford to blow that kind of coin...plus their division is way better they Need to take that chance. If he underperforms the Cubs can deal with it the Twins can't.

Sorry I am glad they didn't get held hostage by either guy. If they had and the player stunk the whining by the faithful would be ridiculous.

The Twins are in no danger...make a deal later don't shoot your wad now.
They may find themselves with the leftovers, which may not be an improvement. They still have the money from the Mauer contract to spend, no? So go out and spend the dough.
They tried, he said no. You want them to just keep throwing money at him til he says yes because that is just downright stupid.

No one is saying they shouldnt spend money...but they should be smart about it while they do it.
It’s hard to say you really tried when you give an offer that has no chance of being accepted. I don’t know what they offered, but the story line is so familiar I find it curious and I don’t buy it.
Define "no chance of being accepted" then.
They offered the money he wanted (allegedly). Then Chicago offered the money he wanted and added another year with that money. It's not like the Twins offered him 1 year, 2.5 million. 🙄

Do you think the Braves went into talks with Kuechel saying "Hey if we give him 1yr/13mil he's for sure going to sign!!!" when he was allegedly seeking over 100 million this off-season? No. On paper, that is an offer that had no chance of being accepted. But they managed to get him to agree to it (a poor choice for Kuechel, IMHO).
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Post by Jane Fonda » Fri Jun 07 10:13 pm

Doesn't matter how much the Mets have to pay Bonilla, or how long they have to pay him. There. Is. No. Salary. Cap.

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Doesn't matter how much the Mets have to pay Bonilla, or how long they have to pay him. There. Is. No. Salary. Cap.
No sh* Sherlock. You wanna give Gibson 5 yrs/150MM?

Yeah, not gonna give Kimbrel/Keuchel that extra year for (x)MM either. Not worth it.
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Re: Minnesota Twins 2014-2020: Here's Your Damn Thread

Post by Beauner » Fri Jun 07 10:34 pm

You can say "there is no salary cap" all you want but the Twins aren't going to match Boston or NY or LA in salary. Ever.

Ever.

If the option is sign Kimbrel to a 4 year 55 million dollar deal and then lose Buxton or Rosario because they both want a bigger term/extension and you can't afford both with Berrios, Sano, Garver, Polanco, Kepler, etc. is that really worth pissing on your future for? For a guy to throw 65 innings a year?

No. It isn't. Especially when you can add a cheaper, team controlled contract for a mid-tier prospect (or even a higher-tier prospect). I love Kimbrel, he's one of my favorite guys to watch, but it's not even a hard decision if that is the long term choice.

The Twins farm system is really really good, one of the 8-10 best in baseball. Part of the benefits of selling off assets at the deadline is being able to flip the pieces you got to acquire assets when you're contending.

It's literally the exact blueprint that Houston started a decade ago. They overhauled everything, they bottomed out, they drafted wisely, then sold off assets to continue to build their farm system. Then all of a sudden they put things together. They had assets to trade for Verlander. Then they acquire Gerrit Cole too. They trade for Pressley. And guess what!? Even after making all those trades and moving prospects for viable assets, they still have a farm system ranked on the top 5 in baseball! Amazing how that works, isn't it? They made one "big" FA addition when they signed Brantley for 16 million a year (about 1.5 million more than Cruz got). They lost 2/5ths of their rotation last year and Marwin Gonzalez. And are still one of the 2-3 best teams on the planet.

That's what the Twins are building right now.
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Post by Jane Fonda » Fri Jun 07 10:51 pm

Beauner wrote:
Fri Jun 07 10:34 pm
You can say "there is no salary cap" all you want but the Twins aren't going to match Boston or NY or LA in salary. Ever.

Ever.

If the option is sign Kimbrel to a 4 year 55 million dollar deal and then lose Buxton or Rosario because they both want a bigger term/extension and you can't afford both with Berrios, Sano, Garver, Polanco, Kepler, etc. is that really worth pissing on your future for? For a guy to throw 65 innings a year?

No. It isn't. Especially when you can add a cheaper, team controlled contract for a mid-tier prospect (or even a higher-tier prospect). I love Kimbrel, he's one of my favorite guys to watch, but it's not even a hard decision if that is the long term choice.

The Twins farm system is really really good, one of the 8-10 best in baseball. Part of the benefits of selling off assets at the deadline is being able to flip the pieces you got to acquire assets when you're contending.

It's literally the exact blueprint that Houston started a decade ago. They overhauled everything, they bottomed out, they drafted wisely, then sold off assets to continue to build their farm system. Then all of a sudden they put things together. They had assets to trade for Verlander. Then they acquire Gerrit Cole too. They trade for Pressley. And guess what!? Even after making all those trades and moving prospects for viable assets, they still have a farm system ranked on the top 5 in baseball! Amazing how that works, isn't it? They made one "big" FA addition when they signed Brantley for 16 million a year (about 1.5 million more than Cruz got). They lost 2/5ths of their rotation last year and Marwin Gonzalez. And are still one of the 2-3 best teams on the planet.

That's what the Twins are building right now.
So chill out and enjoy watching a super fun team.
But the contract Kimbrel signed wasn't outrageous, or over priced...so this argument doesn't work for me.

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Re: Minnesota Twins 2014-2020: Here's Your Damn Thread

Post by Jane Fonda » Fri Jun 07 10:53 pm

The Rube wrote:
Fri Jun 07 10:15 pm
Jane Fonda wrote:
Fri Jun 07 10:13 pm
Doesn't matter how much the Mets have to pay Bonilla, or how long they have to pay him. There. Is. No. Salary. Cap.
No sh* Sherlock. You wanna give Gibson 5 yrs/150MM?

Yeah, not gonna give Kimbrel/Keuchel that extra year for (x)MM either. Not worth it.
Yeah, that 3rd year for Kimbrel, or a 1 year deal for Keuchel really is comparable to 30 mil a year for 5 years.

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Post by bearpaw28 » Fri Jun 07 11:02 pm

The last first tier big time free agent the Twins signed was...Jack Morris in 1991. By no coincidence, they won the World Series. They weren’t signing Kimbrel or Keuchel, despite leaked media reports that they were “really trying”. It’s not in their DNA as an organization. But they are having a great year to this point & with a little luck might even win a playoff series this season, which they haven’t done since a certain catcher flipped his bat after hitting a dinger against the A’s what, 17 years ago? Beats the crap out of losing 90 games every season.
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Re: Minnesota Twins 2014-2020: Here's Your Damn Thread

Post by The Rube » Fri Jun 07 11:05 pm

Jane Fonda wrote:
Fri Jun 07 10:53 pm
The Rube wrote:
Fri Jun 07 10:15 pm
Jane Fonda wrote:
Fri Jun 07 10:13 pm
Doesn't matter how much the Mets have to pay Bonilla, or how long they have to pay him. There. Is. No. Salary. Cap.
No sh* Sherlock. You wanna give Gibson 5 yrs/150MM?

Yeah, not gonna give Kimbrel/Keuchel that extra year for (x)MM either. Not worth it.
Yeah, that 3rd year for Kimbrel, or a 1 year deal for Keuchel really is comparable to 30 mil a year for 5 years.
Just sayin' to prove a point. Don't overpay.
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Re: Minnesota Twins 2014-2020: Here's Your Damn Thread

Post by Beauner » Fri Jun 07 11:05 pm

Jane Fonda wrote:
Fri Jun 07 10:51 pm
Beauner wrote:
Fri Jun 07 10:34 pm
You can say "there is no salary cap" all you want but the Twins aren't going to match Boston or NY or LA in salary. Ever.

Ever.

If the option is sign Kimbrel to a 4 year 55 million dollar deal and then lose Buxton or Rosario because they both want a bigger term/extension and you can't afford both with Berrios, Sano, Garver, Polanco, Kepler, etc. is that really worth pissing on your future for? For a guy to throw 65 innings a year?

No. It isn't. Especially when you can add a cheaper, team controlled contract for a mid-tier prospect (or even a higher-tier prospect). I love Kimbrel, he's one of my favorite guys to watch, but it's not even a hard decision if that is the long term choice.

The Twins farm system is really really good, one of the 8-10 best in baseball. Part of the benefits of selling off assets at the deadline is being able to flip the pieces you got to acquire assets when you're contending.

It's literally the exact blueprint that Houston started a decade ago. They overhauled everything, they bottomed out, they drafted wisely, then sold off assets to continue to build their farm system. Then all of a sudden they put things together. They had assets to trade for Verlander. Then they acquire Gerrit Cole too. They trade for Pressley. And guess what!? Even after making all those trades and moving prospects for viable assets, they still have a farm system ranked on the top 5 in baseball! Amazing how that works, isn't it? They made one "big" FA addition when they signed Brantley for 16 million a year (about 1.5 million more than Cruz got). They lost 2/5ths of their rotation last year and Marwin Gonzalez. And are still one of the 2-3 best teams on the planet.

That's what the Twins are building right now.
So chill out and enjoy watching a super fun team.
But the contract Kimbrel signed wasn't outrageous, or over priced...so this argument doesn't work for me.
There was apparently only one team willing to go with that length and amount (he's basically getting $18mil/year when you prorate it out to how much he's going to pitch this year) so maybe it was more "outrageous" than you think. 🤷‍♂️

If the Twins wanted to secure Kimbrel they would have had to outbid Chicago, which would have been more money or more years. That's how free agency works. Bidding wars lead to overpayment.
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