SiouxFanatic wrote: Hammy wrote:
Zwak wrote:This is not an original thought by me but it bears repeating...exactly how tough is it to 'develop' guys like Toews, Parise. etc???
I've always said that some of the talk about "development" among many of these levels (USHL/NTDP, college, etc) is overrated. A kid like Parise or a Vanek would still be good NHLers no matter where they went (CHL and most NCAA schools). It is disingenuous to act otherwise. It's not like these schools are taking scrubs and turning them into a Vanek/Parise.
Which is why some of the disparaging comments towards the NCAA from CHL proponents is just invalid in cases like Parise, Toews, Vanek, and Erik Johnson etc.
It doesn't matter where they went to play, NCAA or CHL. They'd still be good.
Now if Jones miraculously chooses UND vs. the CHL. I hope he doesn't expect to pad his stats like he would be able to in the WHL. If he is able to put up 20-30 points and simply play good defense, he'll go #2 in the draft. I believe Erik Johnson had 24 points as a freshman? That's pretty respectable for a freshman defenseman.
I actually agree with a Sioux fan? The end days must be coming.
I look at undrafted/low draft picks like Justin Garrison, Brian Elliott, Joe Pavelski, as much better gauges to a team's reputation. Paul Stastny comes to mind. Yes, he went in the second round in 2005, but only to a "hometown" team after going undrafted the year before.
There's also going to be cases where players simply don't perform up to expected levels (like Skille, Fischer, or White), or their NHL teams simply cannot judge their talent effectively (like Lee or Finley).
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