Headline News 2012

by **davescharf** » Wed 7/04/12 9:04 pm

Although this would be more appropriate on Memorial Day, this still made me stop dead in my tracks when I saw it. Thanks to everyone who has fought for us to be able to drink beer, spend time with our family, and most importantly continue celebrating our independence

by **Golden FE Ranger** » Wed 7/04/12 10:18 pm

by **Kelor** » Wed 7/04/12 10:41 pm

Very nice. Thank you dave.

by **psych** » Thu 7/05/12 12:08 am

gator wrote:
Chris Eckes wrote:How does someone go through life and not know what Russian Roulette is? It's pretty mainstream / lots of references in pop culture (movies, tv, etc.)? Not jabbing at you Leo, just curious.

To make a long and confussing story short. Cause it's long, confussing and so many details to it. But, I have a friend who's boyfriend at the time was killed playing Russian Roulette. The real sad part of the incident was, right before they pulled the plug on him she whispered in his ear that she was pregant and he would be a dad.

Sad, yet...I cannot quite figure out what would drive someone to play RR. Boredom? Bravado? He must have been unhappy in his relationship with her, a f***ing idiot, or both. As hammered as I get sometimes, I would never consider ending my life with some stupid game of chance, so unless he was plowed, and again, showed a complete lack of judgment, I cannot comprehend what would drive him to play RR.

by **Zwak** » Thu 7/05/12 7:53 am

San Diego firework display that was supposed to last 18 minutes, lasted 15 seconds instead as all were shot off at the same time due to a technical glitch.

http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local/F ... 96045.html

saw a great tweet about this "That happens to a lot of cities."

by **rowshkex** » Thu 7/05/12 10:27 am

Zwak wrote:San Diego firework display that was supposed to last 18 minutes, lasted 15 seconds instead as all were shot off at the same time due to a technical glitch.

http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local/F ... 96045.html

saw a great tweet about this "That happens to a lot of cities."

For just one year, I want this to happen to Minneapolis... :beg:

by **sunbone** » Thu 7/05/12 10:29 am

Riff Raff wrote:
sunbone wrote: It sure looks like JoePa used his influence to make sure this didn't get reported to the Child Welfare authorities. And I don't buy that it was because he was just a doddering old man, or that it was because the subject matter was too embarrassing. People need to quit excusing his behavior and call a spade a spade. He turned a blind eye to this because he wanted to protect his reputation. Other than Sandusky it was Paterno who had the best chance to put an end to it and he chose not to. Beyond shameful.

.......So despite a record of decades of (by all accounts I have ever read) leading a virtuous life full of philantrophy and in general doing things the right way, you've developed this layered hypothesis about his involvement from a leaked email correspondence between 3 indivuduals who surely will do time for their involvement in this mess that references a conversation that Jo Pa may have been part of? I get that as the head of the program he will ultimately bear some responsibility for all this occuring under his watch, but I guess I'll wait to burn his legacy at the stake until I hear a little more.

IMO best case is Paterno passed the buck and didn't do enough to prevent the horrifying abuse of children. Worst case he impeded the investigation into it. So actually no, I don't really care about his philanthropy or what a great guy he supposedly was up until that point. Guess I'm an unforgiving prick when it comes to these kinds of issues.

by **sunbone** » Thu 7/05/12 10:57 am

rowshkex wrote:
Zwak wrote:San Diego firework display that was supposed to last 18 minutes, lasted 15 seconds instead as all were shot off at the same time due to a technical glitch.

http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local/F ... 96045.html

saw a great tweet about this "That happens to a lot of cities."

For just one year, I want this to happen to Minneapolis...

Why?

by **trixR4kids** » Thu 7/05/12 11:04 am

sunbone wrote:
Riff Raff wrote:
sunbone wrote: It sure looks like JoePa used his influence to make sure this didn't get reported to the Child Welfare authorities. And I don't buy that it was because he was just a doddering old man, or that it was because the subject matter was too embarrassing. People need to quit excusing his behavior and call a spade a spade. He turned a blind eye to this because he wanted to protect his reputation. Other than Sandusky it was Paterno who had the best chance to put an end to it and he chose not to. Beyond shameful.

.......So despite a record of decades of (by all accounts I have ever read) leading a virtuous life full of philantrophy and in general doing things the right way, you've developed this layered hypothesis about his involvement from a leaked email correspondence between 3 indivuduals who surely will do time for their involvement in this mess that references a conversation that Jo Pa may have been part of? I get that as the head of the program he will ultimately bear some responsibility for all this occuring under his watch, but I guess I'll wait to burn his legacy at the stake until I hear a little more.

IMO best case is Paterno passed the buck and didn't do enough to prevent the horrifying abuse of children. Worst case he impeded the investigation into it. So actually no, I don't really care about his philanthropy or what a great guy he supposedly was up until that point. Guess I'm an unforgiving prick when it comes to these kinds of issues.

This pretty much sums it up for me as well. Giving money to charities and to the University doesn't make up for allowing these types of abuses to happen.

by **GopherFan85** » Thu 7/05/12 11:43 am

sunbone wrote:
rowshkex wrote:
Zwak wrote:San Diego firework display that was supposed to last 18 minutes, lasted 15 seconds instead as all were shot off at the same time due to a technical glitch.

http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local/F ... 96045.html

saw a great tweet about this "That happens to a lot of cities."

For just one year, I want this to happen to Minneapolis...

Why?

I think he is hinting at the fireworks law that Kriesel was trying to pass.

by **rowshkex** » Thu 7/05/12 11:52 am

GopherFan85 wrote:
sunbone wrote:
rowshkex wrote:
Zwak wrote:San Diego firework display that was supposed to last 18 minutes, lasted 15 seconds instead as all were shot off at the same time due to a technical glitch.

http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local/F ... 96045.html

saw a great tweet about this "That happens to a lot of cities."

For just one year, I want this to happen to Minneapolis...

Why?

I think he is hinting at the fireworks law that Kriesel was trying to pass.

Because it would be cool to see something like that. I've seen the same fireworks for a number of years... I just want to see something different and explosively awesome like that.

No more than one year though--it seems like a tremendous waste. :biggrin2:

by **Handyman** » Thu 7/05/12 2:10 pm

Fireworks are the same every year. Never quite got why people over 10 get all excited for them.

by **rowshkex** » Thu 7/05/12 2:13 pm

Handyman wrote:Fireworks are the same every year. Never quite got why people over 10 get all excited for them.

Yeah, same with most things in life. If it's not a completely new experience, I hate it.

by **Handyman** » Thu 7/05/12 2:15 pm

Well it would be less boring that way

I mean if I see fireworks fine...I dont go out of my way to though. Some people drive for miles to see them...

Now watching drunk idiots set them off is fun...though only in the "God I hope he blows his hands off or the firecracker hits him in the nuts" kind of way

by **thinkbui** » Thu 7/05/12 2:36 pm

rowshkex wrote:
Handyman wrote:Fireworks are the same every year. Never quite got why people over 10 get all excited for them.

Yeah, same with most things in life. If it's not a completely new experience, I hate it.

Sounds like you should join one of the local fireworks clubs who still shoots some of the professional shows in the Twin Cities the old fashion way. It's rather fun to be reloading mortars with all the debris falling down on you and the concussion from the explosions overhead pulsing through your body.

by **trixR4kids** » Thu 7/05/12 2:37 pm

Lol, my buddy at the U was having trouble lighting his off a few years back and started dousing them in lighter fluid... I know the feeling Handy.

by **Don Adams Wheel of Justice** » Thu 7/05/12 2:46 pm

My wife is an RN at one of the big metro hospitals and used to work in the plastic surgery area. Every 4th of July was good for at least 2 mangled hands/blown off fingers resulting from fireworks and 1 lost finger in a pontoon door.

by **Snowcool08** » Thu 7/05/12 3:08 pm

I think for fireworks to be worth it, you have to be really close. I can't stand watching fireworks where you are over a mile away while the sound and light are not the same. If the grand finale isn't a senses overload with the brightness and sound, it's not worth it.

by **kmd** » Thu 7/05/12 3:42 pm

Snowcool08 wrote:I think for fireworks to be worth it, you have to be really close. I can't stand watching fireworks where you are over a mile away while the sound and light are not the same. If the grand finale isn't a senses overload with the brightness and sound, it's not worth it.

This year I found that I prefer being a little bit further away. If you're up too close, you have no sense of things setting off at different elevations, everything's just straight above you. Plus I think they look better framed against the horizon/skyline as opposed to just pitch black.

by **Riff Raff** » Thu 7/05/12 4:41 pm

trixR4kids wrote:
sunbone wrote:
Riff Raff wrote:
sunbone wrote: It sure looks like JoePa used his influence to make sure this didn't get reported to the Child Welfare authorities. And I don't buy that it was because he was just a doddering old man, or that it was because the subject matter was too embarrassing. People need to quit excusing his behavior and call a spade a spade. He turned a blind eye to this because he wanted to protect his reputation. Other than Sandusky it was Paterno who had the best chance to put an end to it and he chose not to. Beyond shameful.

.......So despite a record of decades of (by all accounts I have ever read) leading a virtuous life full of philantrophy and in general doing things the right way, you've developed this layered hypothesis about his involvement from a leaked email correspondence between 3 indivuduals who surely will do time for their involvement in this mess that references a conversation that Jo Pa may have been part of? I get that as the head of the program he will ultimately bear some responsibility for all this occuring under his watch, but I guess I'll wait to burn his legacy at the stake until I hear a little more.

IMO best case is Paterno passed the buck and didn't do enough to prevent the horrifying abuse of children. Worst case he impeded the investigation into it. So actually no, I don't really care about his philanthropy or what a great guy he supposedly was up until that point. Guess I'm an unforgiving prick when it comes to these kinds of issues.

This pretty much sums it up for me as well. Giving money to charities and to the University doesn't make up for allowing these types of abuses to happen.

good points.... if I implied that I think donating money allows for beneficial treatment in a case like this, I should have been more clear with my point. I've read quite ab it about Jo Pa since this story broke. He's not a saint, but the decades of documented good will he has done (not financial contributions, but story after story of him assisting individuals and groups behind the scenes and away from the cameras) does earn him at least a right to reserve judgement on him until the whole story emerges IMO..... which it will.

by **Armadillo** » Thu 7/05/12 9:19 pm

The family and I walked across the Rainbow Bridge and watched Independence Day fireworks from the Canadian side of Niagara Falls. It was somewhat surreal.

by **Superstar** » Thu 7/05/12 10:43 pm

Armadillo wrote:The family and I walked across the Rainbow Bridge and watched Independence Day fireworks from the Canadian side of Niagara Falls. It was somewhat surreal.

I watched fireworks at Niagara Falls from the Canadian side once. It wasn't 4th of July, it was Memorial Wknd. Either way, with the falls all lit up...one of the coolest things ever.

by **george** » Fri 7/06/12 7:46 am

kmd wrote:
Snowcool08 wrote:I think for fireworks to be worth it, you have to be really close. I can't stand watching fireworks where you are over a mile away while the sound and light are not the same. If the grand finale isn't a senses overload with the brightness and sound, it's not worth it.

This year I found that I prefer being a little bit further away. If you're up too close, you have no sense of things setting off at different elevations, everything's just straight above you. Plus I think they look better framed against the horizon/skyline as opposed to just pitch black.

We always go to the Aquatenial fireworks (presented by Target). They are launched from the 3rd Avenue bridge and the stone arch bridge seems to be the perfect distance from the launch for viewing. You can see them all, they are well framed against a part of the city skyline and yet you are close enough to feel the concussion. One year though the wind was blowing straight down the river and all the debris fell on us. Paper ash in hair and on clothes was a little yucky.

by **Zwak** » Fri 7/06/12 10:19 am

Philadelphia fire fighter criticized by superiors for offering his mask to victim he was rescuing from a fire.

http://www.myfoxphilly.com/story/189627 ... ver-rescue :confused2:

Would love to get FHG's take on this.

by **Don Adams Wheel of Justice** » Fri 7/06/12 11:04 am

The guy is no doubt a hero but a stupid lucky one at that. If he's overcome by smoke because he took his helmet off, they both die.

by **Zwak** » Fri 7/06/12 1:14 pm

Giant crocodile breaks record. :shock:

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news ... s-science/

by **gopher6** » Fri 7/06/12 4:32 pm

not sure where to post this story but Denver lost a former young player
http://www.uscho.com/2012/07/05/former- ... ead-at-29/

by **gopherguy13** » Fri 7/06/12 8:38 pm

Not "Headline News", but this is my high school art teacher:

Link

Apparently Bon Iver used some of his artwork for their album.

by **5 O.T.** » Sat 7/07/12 10:09 am

St. Paul teenager run over and killed by illegal alien. :censored:

http://www.startribune.com/local/east/161614985.html

by **fake shemp** » Sat 7/07/12 10:25 am

5 O.T. wrote:St. Paul teenager run over and killed by illegal alien.

http://www.startribune.com/local/east/161614985.html

I love how the uber left Strib never allows comments on articles that have any race element to them. :roll:

by **PrideOnIce** » Sat 7/07/12 11:23 am

5 O.T. wrote:St. Paul teenager run over and killed by illegal alien.

http://www.startribune.com/local/east/161614985.html

One of the few instances where I would love to be an ambulance chaser.

by **trixR4kids** » Sat 7/07/12 11:34 am

fake shemp wrote:
5 O.T. wrote:St. Paul teenager run over and killed by illegal alien.

http://www.startribune.com/local/east/161614985.html

I love how the uber left Strib never allows comments on articles that have any race element to them.

Yeah what a terrible idea :lol:

by **jallengarry** » Sat 7/07/12 2:34 pm

My wife teaches at Harding. She and several other teachers who had Clarisse in their class had nothing but positive things to say about her; noting she was a real sweetheart. Freakish and sad story. Her family is not very well off to say the least and the link above mentions a memorial at all Wells Fargo Banks if someone is so inclined.

by **team22tank** » Sat 7/07/12 2:45 pm

fake shemp wrote:
5 O.T. wrote:St. Paul teenager run over and killed by illegal alien.

http://www.startribune.com/local/east/161614985.html

I love how the uber left Strib never allows comments on articles that have any race element to them.

Unless it is a white mexican, whatever that is? :conf2:

by **psych** » Sat 7/07/12 5:00 pm

team22tank wrote:
fake shemp wrote:
5 O.T. wrote:St. Paul teenager run over and killed by illegal alien.

http://www.startribune.com/local/east/161614985.html

I love how the uber left Strib never allows comments on articles that have any race element to them.

Unless it is a white mexican, whatever that is?

...you've...really never heard of White Hispanics before?

by **The Rube** » Sat 7/07/12 5:06 pm

psych wrote:
team22tank wrote:
fake shemp wrote:
5 O.T. wrote:St. Paul teenager run over and killed by illegal alien.

http://www.startribune.com/local/east/161614985.html

I love how the uber left Strib never allows comments on articles that have any race element to them.

Unless it is a white mexican, whatever that is?

...you've...really never heard of White Hispanics before?

The first couple paragraphs are all you need to know about my views on the subject. :wink:

http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net ... upid_ideas

by **Armadillo** » Sun 7/08/12 9:41 am

psych wrote:
team22tank wrote:
fake shemp wrote:
5 O.T. wrote:St. Paul teenager run over and killed by illegal alien.

http://www.startribune.com/local/east/161614985.html

I love how the uber left Strib never allows comments on articles that have any race element to them.

Unless it is a white mexican, whatever that is?

...you've...really never heard of White Hispanics before?

I won't speak for tank, but before the Zimmerman case, no I had not.

by **fake shemp** » Sun 7/08/12 11:57 am

trixR4kids wrote:
fake shemp wrote:
5 O.T. wrote:St. Paul teenager run over and killed by illegal alien.

http://www.startribune.com/local/east/161614985.html

I love how the uber left Strib never allows comments on articles that have any race element to them.

Yeah what a terrible idea

Yeah, it’s such a terrible idea, but funny, somehow the Pioneer Press allows comments on the same news story. :confused2:

Victim in fatal Harding High crash was 'gasping for air'; driver charged with criminal vehicular homicide (w/ video)
http://www.twincities.com/localnews/ci_ ... cities.com

To say nothing of the fact that the Strib reviews all comments before choosing to post them or not.
So why the concern? Maybe trying to suppress the views they don't happen to support perhaps? :ddown:

Or perhaps maybe they are concerned someone might attempt to try and convict someone on a message board
regardless of evidence before the trial? :oops:

Hmmm??

Where was it that have I seen that done recently??
:lol:

by **trixR4kids** » Sun 7/08/12 1:40 pm

So you're mad that they didn't allow hate filled speech in the comment section? :good2:

I guess my point is, why do you care so much? The comment section on news sites like yahoo, MSN, CNN, w/e are for the most braindead of trolls who possess the critical thinking abilities of an amoeba. No offense to amoebas.

by **streakygopher** » Sun 7/08/12 1:47 pm

trixR4kids wrote:So you're mad that they didn't allow hate filled speech in the comment section?

I guess my point is, why do you care so much? The comment section on news sites like yahoo, MSN, CNN, w/e are for the most braindead of trolls who possess the critical thinking abilities of an amoeba. No offense to amoebas.

I feel a First Amendment headache coming on.... :conf2:

by **dxmnkd316** » Sun 7/08/12 2:10 pm

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1241 ... fghanistan

Lest we forget, the guys who play for Army aren't there for football.

by **Chris83** » Sun 7/08/12 2:11 pm

dxmnkd316 wrote:http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1241871-west-point-football-former-army-qb-chase-prasnicki-dies-in-afghanistan

Lest we forget, the guys who play for Army aren't there for football.

Thank you for posting that

by **Slap Shot** » Sun 7/08/12 2:28 pm

fake shemp wrote:To say nothing of the fact that the Strib reviews all comments before choosing to post them or not.
So why the concern? Maybe trying to suppress the views they don't happen to support perhaps?

The fact that OT had to mention, "illegal alien" in his comment is the reason. The girl died and it was a tragedy, but it wasn't because the driver was illegal. Immigration is a very real and large problem that needs attention, but it is a completely different subject matter.

by **Golden FE Ranger** » Sun 7/08/12 3:31 pm

dxmnkd316 wrote:http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1241871-west-point-football-former-army-qb-chase-prasnicki-dies-in-afghanistan

Lest we forget, the guys who play for Army aren't there for football.

Thanks, dx. Prayers out for the family.

by **Armadillo** » Sun 7/08/12 5:02 pm

Ernest Borgnine dead at 95.

http://www.cnn.com/2012/07/08/showbiz/obit-borgnine/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

This is how I shall remember him:

by **Riff Raff** » Sun 7/08/12 5:12 pm

Slap Shot wrote:
fake shemp wrote:To say nothing of the fact that the Strib reviews all comments before choosing to post them or not.
So why the concern? Maybe trying to suppress the views they don't happen to support perhaps?

The fact that OT had to mention, "illegal alien" in his comment is the reason. The girl died and it was a tragedy, but it wasn't because the driver was illegal. Immigration is a very real and large problem that needs attention, but it is a completely different subject matter.

What should have OT said? If this clown wasn't here illegally that girl would still be alive. Throw in the parts about driving without a license, a past DWI, and carrying loads of false identification.... so yes, it's worth mentioning in the same as if he were drunk or high, or fleeing police, or driving a stolen car, or doing something else illegal while he killed her in. To me it's not just tragic accident anymore when any of the factors I noted are involved because a crime is being committed.....just like in this case.

by **Gopherguy05** » Sun 7/08/12 6:00 pm

Riff Raff wrote:
Slap Shot wrote:
fake shemp wrote:To say nothing of the fact that the Strib reviews all comments before choosing to post them or not.
So why the concern? Maybe trying to suppress the views they don't happen to support perhaps?

The fact that OT had to mention, "illegal alien" in his comment is the reason. The girl died and it was a tragedy, but it wasn't because the driver was illegal. Immigration is a very real and large problem that needs attention, but it is a completely different subject matter.

What should have OT said? If this clown wasn't here illegally that girl would still be alive. Throw in the parts about driving without a license, a past DWI, and carrying loads of false identification.... so yes, it's worth mentioning in the same as if he were drunk or high, or fleeing police, or driving a stolen car, or doing something else illegal while he killed her in. To me it's not just tragic accident anymore when any of the factors I noted are involved because a crime is being committed.....just like in this case.

Are we going to have a 20 post marathon the next time a yuppy 21 year old white socialite mows down an innocent person....highly doubt it

by **Armadillo** » Sun 7/08/12 6:19 pm

Gopherguy05 wrote:Are we going to have a 20 post marathon the next time a yuppy 21 year old white socialite mows down an innocent person....highly doubt it

Probably not, because the "yuppy 21-year-old white socialite" hadn't committed a multitude of previous crimes and been allowed to stay in the country when she wasn't supposed to be here.

Also, way to interject race into the discussion.

by **Slap Shot** » Sun 7/08/12 6:31 pm

Riff Raff wrote:
Slap Shot wrote:
fake shemp wrote:To say nothing of the fact that the Strib reviews all comments before choosing to post them or not.
So why the concern? Maybe trying to suppress the views they don't happen to support perhaps?

The fact that OT had to mention, "illegal alien" in his comment is the reason. The girl died and it was a tragedy, but it wasn't because the driver was illegal. Immigration is a very real and large problem that needs attention, but it is a completely different subject matter.

What should have OT said? If this clown wasn't here illegally that girl would still be alive. Throw in the parts about driving without a license, a past DWI, and carrying loads of false identification.... so yes, it's worth mentioning in the same as if he were drunk or high, or fleeing police, or driving a stolen car, or doing something else illegal while he killed her in. To me it's not just tragic accident anymore when any of the factors I noted are involved because a crime is being committed.....just like in this case.

Someone doesn't need to be here illegally to be an idiot. The "throw in parts" you mention are relevant to the story not her immigration status. Fix illegal immigration? Yes. Blame it for this death? Missing the forest for the trees.

by **Riff Raff** » Sun 7/08/12 7:10 pm

Slap Shot wrote:
Riff Raff wrote:
Slap Shot wrote:
fake shemp wrote:To say nothing of the fact that the Strib reviews all comments before choosing to post them or not.
So why the concern? Maybe trying to suppress the views they don't happen to support perhaps?

The fact that OT had to mention, "illegal alien" in his comment is the reason. The girl died and it was a tragedy, but it wasn't because the driver was illegal. Immigration is a very real and large problem that needs attention, but it is a completely different subject matter.

What should have OT said? If this clown wasn't here illegally that girl would still be alive. Throw in the parts about driving without a license, a past DWI, and carrying loads of false identification.... so yes, it's worth mentioning in the same as if he were drunk or high, or fleeing police, or driving a stolen car, or doing something else illegal while he killed her in. To me it's not just tragic accident anymore when any of the factors I noted are involved because a crime is being committed.....just like in this case.

Someone doesn't need to be here illegally to be an idiot. The "throw in parts" you mention are relevant to the story not her immigration status. Fix illegal immigration? Yes. Blame it for this death? Missing the forest for the trees.

.......so if he is following the law, he is not in this country and this tragic death does not occur. Yet you don't think his illegal status is partly to blame for her death?

by **Golden FE Ranger** » Sun 7/08/12 7:25 pm

Armadillo wrote:Ernest Borgnine dead at 95.

http://www.cnn.com/2012/07/08/showbiz/obit-borgnine/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

This is how I shall remember him:

Rest in peace, Mr. Borgnine. I will always remember you in Air Wolf.

by **Dances With Gophers** » Sun 7/08/12 8:55 pm

Golden FE Ranger wrote:
Armadillo wrote:Ernest Borgnine dead at 95.

http://www.cnn.com/2012/07/08/showbiz/obit-borgnine/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

This is how I shall remember him:

Rest in peace, Mr. Borgnine. I will always remember you in Air Wolf.

+1

This. And McHale's Navy.

Fair winds and following seas, Ernest.

by **dxmnkd316** » Sun 7/08/12 10:14 pm

Riff Raff wrote:
Slap Shot wrote:
Riff Raff wrote:
Slap Shot wrote:
fake shemp wrote:To say nothing of the fact that the Strib reviews all comments before choosing to post them or not.
So why the concern? Maybe trying to suppress the views they don't happen to support perhaps?

The fact that OT had to mention, "illegal alien" in his comment is the reason. The girl died and it was a tragedy, but it wasn't because the driver was illegal. Immigration is a very real and large problem that needs attention, but it is a completely different subject matter.

What should have OT said? If this clown wasn't here illegally that girl would still be alive. Throw in the parts about driving without a license, a past DWI, and carrying loads of false identification.... so yes, it's worth mentioning in the same as if he were drunk or high, or fleeing police, or driving a stolen car, or doing something else illegal while he killed her in. To me it's not just tragic accident anymore when any of the factors I noted are involved because a crime is being committed.....just like in this case.

Someone doesn't need to be here illegally to be an idiot. The "throw in parts" you mention are relevant to the story not her immigration status. Fix illegal immigration? Yes. Blame it for this death? Missing the forest for the trees.

.......so if he is following the law, he is not in this country and this tragic death does not occur. Yet you don't think his illegal status is partly to blame for her death?

This entire string of posts gives me a bad case of the lulz.

by **Armadillo** » Sun 7/08/12 11:59 pm

http://fox13now.com/2012/07/06/anti-obama-float-causes-controversy/

Now, it can be debated about whether or not a 4th of July parade is the proper place for this display (I'd argue it's not), but to call the Secret Service? Really?

by **5 O.T.** » Mon 7/09/12 9:43 am

Slap Shot wrote:
fake shemp wrote:To say nothing of the fact that the Strib reviews all comments before choosing to post them or not.
So why the concern? Maybe trying to suppress the views they don't happen to support perhaps?

The fact that OT had to mention, "illegal alien" in his comment is the reason. The girl died and it was a tragedy, but it wasn't because the driver was illegal. Illegal Immigration is a very real and large problem that needs attention, but it is a completely different subject matter.

FYP.

The fact that this guy is here illegally is only one of many violations of the law for this guy. He also:
1) Was driving without a license.
2)Probably driving without insurance.
3)He was in illegal possession of someone else's Social Security number. Identity theft?
4)Driving recklessly, reportedly as fast as 50-60 mph in a school zone.
5)Responsible for the death of a young girl and for injuring a young boy.

Pointing out he is here illegally is fair game and should be pointed out. It must have been a real conflict for the RedStar to report that. What a conundrum for them when an apparently legal immigrant is killed by an illegal alien. It's a truly tragic event that this little girl died. It didn't have to happen, there were plenty of opportunities to send this guy back to wherever he came from. You may downplay the fact the guy is an illegal alien but that fact is central to his side of the story.

Do you suppose he'll get the same kind of media attention that Amy Senser has gotten?

by **Chris Eckes** » Mon 7/09/12 9:44 am

by **trixR4kids** » Mon 7/09/12 10:00 am

Chris Eckes wrote:lulz

by **gopher6** » Mon 7/09/12 10:27 am

Amy Senser gets 41 months in prison :ahhh:

http://kstp.com/news/stories/S2682005.shtml?cat=1

by **Don Adams Wheel of Justice** » Mon 7/09/12 10:49 am

In a press-conference, Senser's attorney Eric Nelson said Senser recently had Anousone Phanthavong's name tattooed on her wrist.

WTF is that about? This lady ain't playing with a full deck.

by **thinkbui** » Mon 7/09/12 10:59 am

Don Adams Wheel of Justice wrote:
In a press-conference, Senser's attorney Eric Nelson said Senser recently had Anousone Phanthavong's name tattooed on her wrist.

WTF is that about? This lady ain't playing with a full deck.

Despite trying everything to evade punishment, guilty conscience?

by **Don Adams Wheel of Justice** » Mon 7/09/12 11:12 am

The story also says Joe Senser was not in the courtroom. How is that possible? Your wife is about to find out how long she's spending in the Gray Bar Motel and you don't bother to show up? What a strange family.

by **g_manpucker** » Mon 7/09/12 12:02 pm

Don Adams Wheel of Justice wrote:The story also says Joe Senser was not in the courtroom. How is that possible? Your wife is about to find out how long she's spending in the Gray Bar Motel and you don't bother to show up? What a strange family.

Probably working an extra shift at his restaurant to pay the lawyers and her fine.

by **Kelor** » Mon 7/09/12 2:10 pm

Golden FE Ranger wrote:
dxmnkd316 wrote:http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1241871-west-point-football-former-army-qb-chase-prasnicki-dies-in-afghanistan

Lest we forget, the guys who play for Army aren't there for football.

Thanks, dx. Prayers out for the family.

It's been a horrible 2 days for U.S. troops. A nearby neighbor used to have a Bush Killed banner in his front yard where he would change the number when a military personnel was killed. It was removed when Obama took office. I guess it wasn't a protest about war (as I initially thought) as much as it was that he was a DUMBACRAT.

The death toll in the last 3 years has been catastrophic, yet our media all but looks blindly to the daily deaths.

by **streakygopher** » Mon 7/09/12 2:33 pm

Kelor wrote:
Golden FE Ranger wrote:
dxmnkd316 wrote:http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1241871-west-point-football-former-army-qb-chase-prasnicki-dies-in-afghanistan

Lest we forget, the guys who play for Army aren't there for football.

Thanks, dx. Prayers out for the family.

It's been a horrible 2 days for U.S. troops. A nearby neighbor used to have a Bush Killed banner in his front yard where he would change the number when a military personnel was killed. It was removed when Obama took office. I guess it wasn't a protest about war (as I initially thought) as much as it was that he was a DUMBACRAT.

The death toll in the last 3 years has been catastrophic, yet our media all but looks blindly to the daily deaths.

I don't know if your neighbor is a DUMBACRAT, but he is an ass.

by **Jupiter** » Mon 7/09/12 2:55 pm

Sadly... I think the media is not reporting it so much is because the numbers of deaths compared to other major wars in the last 100 years is just so much smaller in comparison. Soldiers are just not getting killed at the rate that they were in the wars I list below. This is fantastic and shows how good our military is, but it's just not enough "death" for the media to latch their grubby little hands on to.

Military Deaths (deaths per day)
WW1: 116,516 (279)
WW2: 405,399 (416)
Korea: 36,516 (45)
Vietnam: 58,209 (26)
Iraq/Afganistan/War on Terror: 6,280 (1.72)

by **thinkbui** » Mon 7/09/12 3:02 pm

Jupiter wrote:Sadly... I think the media is not reporting it so much is because the numbers of deaths compared to other major wars in the last 100 years is just so much smaller in comparison. Soldiers are just not getting killed at the rate that they were in the wars I list below. This is fantastic and shows how good our military is, but it's just not enough "death" for the media to latch their grubby little hands on to.

Military Deaths (deaths per day)
WW1: 116,516 (279)
WW2: 405,399 (416)
Korea: 36,516 (45)
Vietnam: 58,209 (26)
Iraq/Afganistan/War on Terror: 6,280 (1.72)

Don't forget that everyone's benchmark now is the remarkably low casualty Gulf War I. IIRC we lost 9 in 100 hours, which comes out to about 2/day, but it not so much the average per day as it is that we lost 9 in the entire conflict.

by **Kelor** » Mon 7/09/12 3:08 pm

No doubt our military is top notch, but something that bothers me about that stat is how many days each conflict took.

WW1 417 days
WW2 974 days
Korea 811 days
Vietnam 2238
Iraq/Afghan/Terror 3651

At first glance, we are just fine with a long drawn out conflict with minimal daily casualties in exchange for never winning.

by **trixR4kids** » Mon 7/09/12 3:19 pm

Depends what you mean by "we". It wasn't exactly popular when it started and it became even less popular as it went on.

by **bonesaw** » Mon 7/09/12 4:07 pm

I would speculate this is also a pretty big reason:

WW1... drafted 2.8 million
WW2... drafted 10 million
Korea... drafted 1.5 million
Vietnam... drafted 1.8 million
Iraq/Afghan/Terror... no draft

(http://www.sss.gov/induct.htm)

by **Norm** » Mon 7/09/12 6:15 pm

The reason it's not news is that there is such a small minority of citizens participating. To 99% of Americans the war hardly exists.

by **thinkbui** » Mon 7/09/12 6:30 pm

bonesaw wrote:I would speculate this is also a pretty big reason:

WW1... drafted 2.8 million
WW2... drafted 10 million
Korea... drafted 1.5 million
Vietnam... drafted 1.8 million
Iraq/Afghan/Terror... no draft

(http://www.sss.gov/induct.htm)

In a few ways yes, though how patient the American public is about war casualties is tied to how clear the progress is. Casualties are much easier to stomach if, for instance, our forces are getting closer to Berlin day-by-day. In Vietnam we tried to define progress by body count and that ended up backfiring spectacularly since it wasn't any noticeable measure of how much of the VC and NVA forces we were neutralizing opening the door to outcry in the wake of the Tet Offensive.

Iraq/Afghanistan/Terror doesn't have any kind of clear progress indicator either. The only clear targets were the likes of OBL and Saddam, but beyond that all we were there for was to rebuild after toppling regimes and fight forces resisting the establishment of non-radical governments, neither of which ever really made critics change their minds or kept supporters from changing theirs.

by **trixR4kids** » Mon 7/09/12 6:32 pm

I guess the progress at this point, is that there's a contingency plan to get out of each country by a certain date (I think everyone is out of Iraq). That doesn't make the losses any easier to swallow though.

by **Kelor** » Mon 7/09/12 6:54 pm

http://blog.mysanantonio.com/hottopics/ ... nois-lake/

Testicle eating cousin to the piranha found in Illinois. :ahhh:

by **Zwak** » Mon 7/09/12 6:58 pm

Hope nobody's AC unit needs a Freon re-charge.

http://kstp.com/news/stories/S2683122.shtml?cat=1

by **g_manpucker** » Mon 7/09/12 7:18 pm

Zwak wrote:Hope nobody's AC unit needs a Freon re-charge.

http://kstp.com/news/stories/S2683122.shtml?cat=1

I know where I can get about 40 lbs. of it.

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