Twins 2012 season

by **dryfly** » Sun 6/10/12 6:55 pm

Tee09 wrote:Actually, Dempster has been pretty good. I haven't been paying attention recently, but in his first 8 starts, he was something like 0-3 with an ERA of about 2. He's gotten no run support whatsoever.

Sounds like he had good stuff today - from mlb gameday:

Ryan Dempster has lacked for run support this season. But on a day when the Cubs offense unloaded for eight runs against the Twins, Dempster didn't need it, throwing eight shutout innings with six strikeouts, including three against Joe Mauer.

Poor Baby Jesus.

Anyway we are still four games over*...

*100 loss season.

by **Beauner** » Tue 6/12/12 9:58 pm

Trevor Plouffe is hitting the poop out of the ball lately.
Love seeing his bat get hot.

by **Bushwood Gopher** » Wed 6/13/12 11:54 am

Twins signed 1st round pick Byron Buxton. $6M signing bonus.

by **sunbone** » Wed 6/13/12 11:57 am

Beauner wrote:Trevor Plouffe is hitting the poop out of the ball lately.
Love seeing his bat get hot.

He made a couple of nice plays in the field last night,too. His throws are still a little erratic, but not too bad. Nice to see him doing well, especially since that means Dough Head can stay down in Rochester.

by **Beauner** » Wed 6/13/12 8:36 pm

sunbone wrote:Nice to see him doing well, especially since that means Dough Head can stay down in Rochester.

Regarding Buxton: sounds like he put on a pretty good show yesterday at BP (he took BP on the field before or shortly after signing). Hit a couple balls deep into the stands in a group with 2 former MVPs. The kid is a well built athlete.
They said he is already the fastest player in the organization :shock:

and could probably put another 10-20 pounds on without losing speed.

by **gopherguy13** » Wed 6/13/12 9:20 pm

Beauner wrote:
sunbone wrote:Nice to see him doing well, especially since that means Dough Head can stay down in Rochester.

Regarding Buxton: sounds like he put on a pretty good show yesterday at BP (he took BP on the field before or shortly after signing). Hit a couple balls deep into the stands in a group with 2 former MVPs. The kid is a well built athlete.
They said he is already the fastest player in the organization and could probably put another 10-20 pounds on without losing speed.

Faster than Revere? Jeebus.

by **dxmnkd316** » Wed 6/13/12 9:23 pm

Pitches a good 4-5 mph faster than anyone in the organization
Runs faster than Revere
Hits the ball as hard as anyone else in the organization

All I have is two questions:
1. How's his defense?
2. How the HELL did we get him at #2 overall?

by **The Rube** » Wed 6/13/12 10:11 pm

#2 overall? You're kidding, right? That means ONE team thought ONE player was better. I'd think differently if we got him at #10, #20, whatever. But #2? Ever wonder about how the heck the Cubs got Prior? :wink:

by **dxmnkd316** » Wed 6/13/12 10:57 pm

Dead serious. Every indication seems to point to this guy being a stud. I just want to know what the guy who went in front of him had that Buxton didn't.

by **rowshkex** » Wed 6/13/12 10:58 pm

Babe Ruth...?

by **The Rube** » Wed 6/13/12 11:04 pm

dxmnkd316 wrote:Dead serious. Every indication seems to point to this guy being a stud. I just want to know what the guy who went in front of him had that Buxton didn't.

Then you really need to remove the tinfoil hat AND that pole up your....for being a bit...detail-oriented. Again, ONE team thought ONE guy was better. I like those odds.

by **dxmnkd316** » Wed 6/13/12 11:15 pm

What the hell are you are talking about? Tinfoil hat? Pole? What odds? I'm talking about the evaluation of a baseball prospect. How someone with the skill set Buxton has fell to #2 overall when it seems like he could fill just about any role for any team.

by **The Rube** » Wed 6/13/12 11:18 pm

dxmnkd316 wrote:What the hell are you are talking about? Tinfoil hat? Pole? What odds? I'm talking about the evaluation of a baseball prospect. How someone with the skill set Buxton has fell to #2 overall when it seems like he could fill just about any role for any team.

The odds that one team out of 30 thought that one player out of hundreds (if not thousands) MIGHT be better than the Twins pick. I really am curious (not mad, not hostile, genuinely confused) about your logic. It's not highway robbery, IMO, as the way you make it sound. Someone took a (calculated) chance. Again, look at the Mauer/Prior picks. Same difference on the surface.

by **rowshkex** » Wed 6/13/12 11:20 pm

The Rube wrote:
dxmnkd316 wrote:What the hell are you are talking about? Tinfoil hat? Pole? What odds? I'm talking about the evaluation of a baseball prospect. How someone with the skill set Buxton has fell to #2 overall when it seems like he could fill just about any role for any team.

The odds that one team out of 30 thought that one player out of hundreds (if not thousands) MIGHT be better than the Twins pick. I really am curious (not mad, not hostile, genuinely confused) about your logic. It's not highway robbery, IMO, as the way you make it sound. Someone took a (calculated) chance. Again, look at the Mauer/Prior picks. Same difference on the surface.

I like to think about the Michael Jordan NBA draft any time I think about drafts to remind myself how full of crap some prospect evaluations are, haha...

by **dxmnkd316** » Wed 6/13/12 11:32 pm

*sigh*

by **The Rube** » Wed 6/13/12 11:35 pm

dxmnkd316 wrote:*sigh*

I know your penchant for making preposterous statements to cause a stir. But there is a line, sir. :lol:

by **dxmnkd316** » Wed 6/13/12 11:38 pm

Anyone care to actually respond to what about Carlos Correa made him worthy of being picked ahead of Buxton?

by **The Rube** » Wed 6/13/12 11:47 pm

dxmnkd316 wrote:Anyone care to actually respond to what about Carlos Correa made him worthy of being picked ahead of Buxton?

I will let someone apparently more knowledgable than I answer that: http://www.perfectgame.org/players/play ... ?ID=279388

That being said, one opinion among 30. With a multitude of other players.

by **Beauner** » Thu 6/14/12 12:03 am

dxmnkd316 wrote:Anyone care to actually respond to what about Carlos Correa made him worthy of being picked ahead of Buxton?

1) It's Houston and Correa was going to come cheaper than Buxton. Seeing as how you can't trade picks in the MLB draft, they didn't have much choice because they had to sign a couple compensatory picks as well.
2) Correa projects just as highly as Buxton at a premium position (SS), a spot Houston hasn't been set on since....ever? I can't remember them having a legitimate starting SS since I've been alive and I used to love Houston back in the "Killer Bs" days with Bagwell, Biggio, and Berkman. Correa is a smooth fielding, power-hitting shortstop. Those come at a premium in baseball. Buxton's 99mph fastball will be rendered relatively useless seeing as how he was drafted as an outfielder. His speed and power potential matches that of Correa's fielding and power potential at SS. They are quite comparable IMO. It isn't like Houston drafted the next Nicky Punto while the Twins drafted a faster version of Jose Bautista.
3) It's the MLB draft. Different scouts see different potential and different flaws in every single player. Mark Appel was supposed to be a top 2 pick and slipped to 8, largely due to his agent.

by **Chris83** » Thu 6/14/12 6:06 am

dxmnkd316 wrote:Pitches a good 4-5 mph faster than anyone in the organization
Runs faster than Revere
Hits the ball as hard as anyone else in the organization

All I have is two questions:
1. How's his defense?
2. How the HELL did we get him at #2 overall?

I visited a website which listed 55 "mock" drafts; 12 of them had Buxton going number one (Appel was number one in 38 of them). Over half had Buxton going to the Twins and none had Correa going higher than #3.

The baseball draft IS the ultimate crapshoot.

by **Bushwood Gopher** » Thu 6/14/12 10:39 am

Chris83 wrote:
dxmnkd316 wrote:Pitches a good 4-5 mph faster than anyone in the organization
Runs faster than Revere
Hits the ball as hard as anyone else in the organization

All I have is two questions:
1. How's his defense?
2. How the HELL did we get him at #2 overall?

I visited a website which listed 55 "mock" drafts; 12 of them had Buxton going number one (Appel was number one in 38 of them). Over half had Buxton going to the Twins and none had Correa going higher than #3.

The baseball draft IS the ultimate crapshoot.

Not to mention, if anyone other than Scott Boras was Mark Appel's agent he'd have probably gone #1 overall instead of Correa.

Your line about the baseball draft being the ultimate crapshoot is dead on, and I agree with Beauner's take, too. Which is exactly why my expectations are in check for Buxton. Would be great if he fulfills all the potential, but he's no slam dunk like Bryce Harper was. Not by a long shot.

by **streakygopher** » Thu 6/14/12 10:54 am

More on Buxton...do I have this right, they are paying an 18 year old $6 million now on the promise of playing 4 years later? :shock:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/baseball/mlb/wires/06/13/2010.ap.bba.twins.buxton.3rd.ld.writethru.0617/

by **sunbone** » Thu 6/14/12 11:07 am

Bushwood Gopher wrote:
Chris83 wrote:
dxmnkd316 wrote:Pitches a good 4-5 mph faster than anyone in the organization
Runs faster than Revere
Hits the ball as hard as anyone else in the organization

All I have is two questions:
1. How's his defense?
2. How the HELL did we get him at #2 overall?

I visited a website which listed 55 "mock" drafts; 12 of them had Buxton going number one (Appel was number one in 38 of them). Over half had Buxton going to the Twins and none had Correa going higher than #3.

The baseball draft IS the ultimate crapshoot.

Not to mention, if anyone other than Scott Boras was Mark Appel's agent he'd have probably gone #1 overall instead of Correa.

Your line about the baseball draft being the ultimate crapshoot is dead on, and I agree with Beauner's take, too. Which is exactly why my expectations are in check for Buxton. Would be great if he fulfills all the potential, but he's no slam dunk like Bryce Harper was. Not by a long shot.

Like you said, he has all the potential in the world. But there have been a ton of guys with all the potential in the world who never even get up for a cup of coffee. Like any high school player this kid probably really hasn't seen quality breaking stuff or hit in a real game with a wooden bat. I like the pick because of his upside, but realize it is a roll of the dice.

by **gopherguy13** » Thu 6/14/12 12:11 pm

dxmnkd316 wrote:Dead serious. Every indication seems to point to this guy being a stud. I just want to know what the guy who went in front of him had that Buxton didn't.

Is it possible that this kid's talents are being slightly exaggerated? These reports of how great he is are coming from the Twins, right?

I mean, a team coming off a 99 loss season and staring another 90+ loss season in the face would probably like to generate at least a little excitement within the organization. It's easy to rave about someone when their killing the ball in BP.

I've obviously never seen the kid play so I am just thinking out loud. But they're not going to draft him and just say "Oh, yeah, he's aight."

by **Gopherguy05** » Thu 6/14/12 12:33 pm

streakygopher wrote:More on Buxton...do I have this right, they are paying an 18 year old $6 million now on the promise of playing 4 years later?

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/baseball/mlb/wires/06/13/2010.ap.bba.twins.buxton.3rd.ld.writethru.0617/

Welcome to how the MLB draft works. He could be the next Justin Verlander, or he could be the next Adam Johnson.

On a completely different note, Reusse wrote a column I fully agree with!
http://www.startribune.com/sports/twins/158992815.html

by **Beauner** » Thu 6/14/12 12:44 pm

sunbone wrote:Like you said, he has all the potential in the world. But there have been a ton of guys with all the potential in the world who never even get up for a cup of coffee. Like any high school player this kid probably really hasn't seen quality breaking stuff or hit in a real game with a wooden bat. I like the pick because of his upside, but realize it is a roll of the dice.

Agreed with all except the wood bat part.
Most elite players in this era have played multiple games with wood bats. Hell, they have wood bat tournaments in Minnesota for kids as young as 12. My team played in one last year and I wanted to sign up for another one this year but a bunch of my players were going to be out of town for a school trip over the weekend :chainsaw:

I would guess that since he's been as elite as he is for (I'm assuming) more than a year, he's probably played on a couple all-star teams that play in wood bat tournaments or whatever. It's not as uncommon as it used to be. Add in the fact that he had to use the new BBCOR (-3 weight differential) bats that players have to use in HS and college react much more like wood bats now (to the point that my brother--a college pitcher, said that BBCOR bats were his favorite invention of all time), whereas the difference between the old aluminum and composite bats compared to wood bats is like comparing a crack in the sidewalk to the grand canyon.
A way to think about the BBCOR bat vs the old BESR bats that are now illegal: BBCOR bats are like jumping up and down on the sidewalk. It takes a lot of energy to get off the ground because the ground isn't going to flex at your feet, so you have to provide all the energy. The BESR bats were like jumping on a trampoline. The more energy you put into jumping, the higher than flex in the trampoline, and the higher you launch. Baseballs can compress as much as 1/3rd it's original size when it is hit by a baseball bat. With the BESR bats, it would compress to 1/3rd it's original size and then fly off the bat at ridiculous speeds because of the trampoline effect of the thinner walls and flex of the barrel. What manufacturers did/are doing with BBCOR is thickening the walls of the bat or adding a "block" into the barrel of the bat to minimize the flex of the walls of the bat at contact.

by **gator** » Thu 6/14/12 12:47 pm

Could be looong night at Target Field tonight.

- Phillies don't return to Minnesota and it's the last game of the series.
- Neither team wants to have a make up game later on a off day.
- Twins play the Brewers tomorrow. Phillies are at Toronto.
- Another big storm coming around 7 or later.

by **h8red** » Thu 6/14/12 1:06 pm

dxmnkd316 wrote:Pitches a good 4-5 mph faster than anyone in the organization
Runs faster than Revere
Hits the ball as hard as anyone else in the organization

All I have is two questions:
1. How's his defense?
2. How the HELL did we get him at #2 overall?

He will break Ricky Henderson's lead-off homerun and stolen base records...you heard it here first!

by **psych** » Thu 6/14/12 2:05 pm

h8red wrote:
dxmnkd316 wrote:Pitches a good 4-5 mph faster than anyone in the organization
Runs faster than Revere
Hits the ball as hard as anyone else in the organization

All I have is two questions:
1. How's his defense?
2. How the HELL did we get him at #2 overall?

He will break Ricky Henderson's lead-off homerun and stolen base records...you heard it here first!

He'll have to bat lead-off to ever make that prediction come true...and with Gardenhire managing...

I do not get to follow the Twins much, but Plouffe with 11 HRs? :shock:

In other news, my preseason pick for Cy Young* in the AL, Jason Marquis, pitched 6 1/3 SO innings last night to help the Padres beat the Mariners, 1-0.

* :shots:

by **h8red** » Thu 6/14/12 2:21 pm

psych wrote:
h8red wrote:
dxmnkd316 wrote:Pitches a good 4-5 mph faster than anyone in the organization
Runs faster than Revere
Hits the ball as hard as anyone else in the organization

All I have is two questions:
1. How's his defense?
2. How the HELL did we get him at #2 overall?

He will break Ricky Henderson's lead-off homerun and stolen base records...you heard it here first!

He'll have to bat lead-off to ever make that prediction come true...and with Gardenhire managing...

I do not get to follow the Twins much, but Plouffe with 11 HRs?

In other news, my preseason pick for Cy Young* in the AL, Jason Marquis, pitched 6 1/3 SO innings last night to help the Padres beat the Mariners, 1-0.

Gardy will be gone in the next year or so. They will bring in Bruno to take over. Not my first choice but he's better than their crappy third base coach.

*

by **sunbone** » Thu 6/14/12 2:21 pm

Beauner- I know guys like Buxton take BP with wood bats and play some exhibition games with them. That is why I said "real game." I just meant the overwhelming amount of his experience is with aluminum bats, and all of the stats people reference. And I realize the bats are different than when a fossil like me played, but it is still an adjustment IMO.

by **h8red** » Thu 6/14/12 3:37 pm

sunbone wrote:Beauner- I know guys like Buxton take BP with wood bats and play some exhibition games with them. That is why I said "real game." I just meant the overwhelming amount of his experience is with aluminum bats, and all of the stats people reference. And I realize the bats are different than when a fossil like me played, but it is still an adjustment IMO.

I completely agree. There is an adjustment to the game...pitching is much better (mostly) however if he's a top-notch athlete he will be able to adjust much better than most. Maybe he's Bo-Jackson like and can help out the Vikes in his off-season! Anyone know if he played any football?

by **Beauner** » Thu 6/14/12 5:00 pm

h8red wrote:
sunbone wrote:Beauner- I know guys like Buxton take BP with wood bats and play some exhibition games with them. That is why I said "real game." I just meant the overwhelming amount of his experience is with aluminum bats, and all of the stats people reference. And I realize the bats are different than when a fossil like me played, but it is still an adjustment IMO.

I completely agree. There is an adjustment to the game...pitching is much better (mostly) however if he's a top-notch athlete he will be able to adjust much better than most. Maybe he's Bo-Jackson like and can help out the Vikes in his off-season! Anyone know if he played any football?

I believe he played like 5 positions for his high school football team.

by **h8red** » Thu 6/14/12 5:06 pm

Beauner wrote:
h8red wrote:
sunbone wrote:Beauner- I know guys like Buxton take BP with wood bats and play some exhibition games with them. That is why I said "real game." I just meant the overwhelming amount of his experience is with aluminum bats, and all of the stats people reference. And I realize the bats are different than when a fossil like me played, but it is still an adjustment IMO.

I completely agree. There is an adjustment to the game...pitching is much better (mostly) however if he's a top-notch athlete he will be able to adjust much better than most. Maybe he's Bo-Jackson like and can help out the Vikes in his off-season! Anyone know if he played any football?

I believe he played like 5 positions for his high school football team.

Hmmm...he might be the best all around athlete (assuming he makes it) since Bo or Dave Winfield. Any others you can think of?

by **trixR4kids** » Thu 6/14/12 5:45 pm

Joe Mauer?

by **Norm** » Thu 6/14/12 6:32 pm

Beauner wrote:
h8red wrote:
sunbone wrote:Beauner- I know guys like Buxton take BP with wood bats and play some exhibition games with them. That is why I said "real game." I just meant the overwhelming amount of his experience is with aluminum bats, and all of the stats people reference. And I realize the bats are different than when a fossil like me played, but it is still an adjustment IMO.

I completely agree. There is an adjustment to the game...pitching is much better (mostly) however if he's a top-notch athlete he will be able to adjust much better than most. Maybe he's Bo-Jackson like and can help out the Vikes in his off-season! Anyone know if he played any football?

I believe he played like 5 positions for his high school football team.

I heard that during the off season he's expected to be the first full time 2 way player in the NFL since LeRoy Keyes.

by **Slap Shot** » Thu 6/14/12 6:35 pm

So he's the 2nd coming of Bill Braskie?

by **Jaykay3** » Fri 6/15/12 3:56 am

Slap Shot wrote:So he's the 2nd coming of Bill Braskie?

To Bill Braskie!!!!!

by **HockeyBum** » Fri 6/15/12 7:06 am

Who did the Twins get in return for trading Jim Thome again? Wait... it doesn't matter. Thome had no skills and a bad attitude. They could have traded him for $20,000 in cash and it would have been worth it. Right?

by **dxmnkd316** » Fri 6/15/12 8:10 am

HockeyBum wrote:Who did the Twins get in return for trading Jim Thome again? Wait... it doesn't matter. Thome had no skills and a bad attitude. They could have traded him for $20,000 in cash and it would have been worth it. Right?

by **HockeyBum** » Fri 6/15/12 8:22 am

dxmnkd316 wrote:
HockeyBum wrote:Who did the Twins get in return for trading Jim Thome again? Wait... it doesn't matter. Thome had no skills and a bad attitude. They could have traded him for $20,000 in cash and it would have been worth it. Right?

Apparently it was a bad attempt at humor on my part. Thome had a pretty big hand in those two Phillies wins. Really wish the Twins would have kept him instead of giving him away for nothing ($20k).

by **gopher wes** » Fri 6/15/12 8:26 am

I agree with dx. There was no animosity when Thome left Minnesota was there? He was a free agent and, let's face it, he is a pretty old dude and resigning him here after the season the Twins had would not have made a whole lot of sense IMO. This team needed to try to get a little younger. I have no idea where your comment about skills and bad attitude come from, HockeyBum. Especially the part about his attitude, he is one of the most universally liked players in baseball.

by **HockeyBum** » Fri 6/15/12 8:29 am

*forehead slap*

Apparently your sarcasm-meter is broken this morning.

by **Riff Raff** » Fri 6/15/12 8:31 am

HockeyBum wrote:Who did the Twins get in return for trading Jim Thome again? Wait... it doesn't matter. Thome had no skills and a bad attitude. They could have traded him for $20,000 in cash and it would have been worth it. Right?

I'm as down on the Twins the last 2 years as anyone, but I can't find fault with them with the Thome departure. He was a FA at the end of the season, and with the direction the team was/is headed, he was not going to resign here. He's made it clear he's chasing a ring in the twilight of his career......something that's not feasable currently here. They had a handshake deal with him when he resigned with us before 2011 that if they were out of contention, they'd facilitate a trade to someone in the race, which they did.

I do understand your point though.....the track record of stars leaving this organization with out much compensaton in return leaves the Twins deservedly without the benefit of the doubt in situations like this. I just think this time there is not much more that they could have done. Unless of course the answer was to not be so far out of contention that he wanted to leave..... :anger:

Edit...I need to type faster, and identify sarcasm better

by **gopherguy13** » Fri 6/15/12 11:29 am

It's just so much easier for everyone when you put a :wink:

or a

after a statement to let people know it's sarcastic. I fell into this same sarcasm trap in the golf thread yesterday :lol:

by **Bushwood Gopher** » Fri 6/15/12 9:32 pm

Bremer just called Ben Revere the best contact hitter in the league.

by **gopherguy13** » Fri 6/15/12 9:35 pm

Bushwood Gopher wrote:Bremer just called Ben Revere the best contact hitter in the league.

Sometimes I wish I had a button bar next to me while listening to Bremer, if only for my own amusement. "What?!".... "You've gotta be kidding me!".... "Dohkay!"

Gotta remember to tune in to Common on Monday to make sure that someone sends that in for PST :lol:

by **Bushwood Gopher** » Fri 6/15/12 9:37 pm

gopherguy13 wrote:
Bushwood Gopher wrote:Bremer just called Ben Revere the best contact hitter in the league.

Sometimes I wish I had a button bar next to me while listening to Bremer, if only for my own amusement. "What?!".... "You've gotta be kidding me!".... "Dohkay!"

Gotta remember to tune in to Common on Monday to make sure that someone sends that in for PST

Exact same here. Great stuff! :wink:

PST4 is getting awfully crowded. :lol:

by **trixR4kids** » Fri 6/15/12 9:57 pm

Bushwood Gopher wrote:Bremer just called Ben Revere the best contact hitter in the league.

Yeah I heard that too. They say a lot of dumb stuff though so...

by **Greyeagle** » Fri 6/15/12 10:00 pm

Does Blyleven have a 60 game limit now that he's in the HOF?

by **Bushwood Gopher** » Fri 6/15/12 10:14 pm

Greyeagle wrote:Does Blyleven have a 60 game limit now that he's in the HOF?

They have to stretch him out to do any more games than that...

by **Superstar** » Sat 6/16/12 12:53 am

No one has mentioned how ON FIRE Plouffe has been this homestand?? Helluva bday present for himself...2 HRs tonight, to pass Willingham as the team HR leader. I think he's at 6 or 7 HRs just in this homestand!

by **Beauner** » Sat 6/16/12 8:41 am

Superstar wrote:No one has mentioned how ON FIRE Plouffe has been this homestand?? Helluva bday present for himself...2 HRs tonight, to pass Willingham as the team HR leader. I think he's at 6 or 7 HRs just in this homestand!

Beauner wrote:Trevor Plouffe is hitting the poop out of the ball lately.
Love seeing his bat get hot.

Way ahead of ya :mrgreen:

Said that on Tuesday :mrgreen:

by **GopherFan85** » Sat 6/16/12 9:43 am

gopherguy13 wrote:
Bushwood Gopher wrote:Bremer just called Ben Revere the best contact hitter in the league.

Sometimes I wish I had a button bar next to me while listening to Bremer, if only for my own amusement. "What?!".... "You've gotta be kidding me!".... "Dohkay!"

Gotta remember to tune in to Common on Monday to make sure that someone sends that in for PST

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by **Norm** » Sat 6/16/12 9:46 am

Bushwood Gopher wrote:Bremer just called Ben Revere the best contact hitter in the league.

He also talked about Chris Parmelee struggling "compared to last year when he hit home run after home run."

by **Gopherguy05** » Sat 6/16/12 10:23 am

Greyeagle wrote:Does Blyleven have a 60 game limit now that he's in the HOF?

He is actually in Cooperstown for a HOF event this weekend, hense not being here to broadcast.

by **MN Hockey Rules** » Sat 6/16/12 10:50 am

Superstar wrote:No one has mentioned how ON FIRE Plouffe has been this homestand?? Helluva bday present for himself...2 HRs tonight, to pass Willingham as the team HR leader. I think he's at 6 or 7 HRs just in this homestand!

It's definitely nice to see Plouffe doing so well. Considering they have been giving him every opportunity to earn a spot since he is out of options and would have to clear waivers, he is getting hot at the right time. Hopefully, he has finally discovered how to translate his minor league hitting to the majors for good.

Plus, now that his hair is short I can kind of start to like him a little more.

by **rowshkex** » Sat 6/16/12 11:03 am

They better get a good prospect out of Plouffe... :-D

by **trixR4kids** » Sat 6/16/12 1:56 pm

Damn Braun has some power... getting it out of this stadium isn't easy and he's got 2 already in this series.

Make that three :dance:

by **Border Gopher** » Sat 6/16/12 3:51 pm

trixR4kids wrote:Damn Braun has some power... getting it out of this stadium isn't easy and he's got 2 already in this series.

Make that three

by **trixR4kids** » Sat 6/16/12 6:24 pm

Yeah except he has the exact same stats this year as he did last year. And I highly doubt they aren't testing him often this year.

Not to mention the whole steroids make you good thing is kinda silly.

by **dxmnkd316** » Sat 6/16/12 6:38 pm

trixR4kids wrote:Not to mention the whole steroids make you good thing is kinda silly.

Congrats, you've now registered as the #1 comment on the list of most preposterous things ever posted on this board.

by **trixR4kids** » Sat 6/16/12 7:03 pm

They'll certainly make you stronger and help you through nagging injuries but this idea that they turn you into a superstar or something is asinine.

by **Beauner** » Sat 6/16/12 7:20 pm

trixR4kids wrote:They'll certainly make you stronger and help you through nagging injuries but this idea that they turn you into a superstar or something is asinine.

Cheating is cheating, but the idea that steroids turn Punto into Ruth is ridiculous. Braun is a good hitter that generates a lot of bat speed, steroids or no steroids.

by **Bushwood Gopher** » Sat 6/16/12 8:46 pm

trixR4kids wrote:They'll certainly make you stronger and help you through nagging injuries but this idea that they turn you into a superstar or something is asinine.

They make you perform at a higher level than you otherwise would. So the notion that they don't make you good is, well, silly.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/playe ... br01.shtml

*See: 1996

by **trixR4kids** » Sat 6/16/12 9:00 pm

Yep, steroids caused him to have a good swing with bat speed. :roll:

by **dxmnkd316** » Sat 6/16/12 9:04 pm

trixR4kids wrote:Yep, steroids caused him to have a good swing with bat speed.

Stop it. That argument is so tired and wrong.

Steroids help you recover quicker, make your swing more powerful, and takes a ball you might normally see gobbled up in the infield or come a few feet short on the warning track go for a hit or homerun.

Maybe in your world steroids don't help, but in reality, they do.

by **Bushwood Gopher** » Sat 6/16/12 9:11 pm

trixR4kids wrote:Yep, steroids caused him to have a good swing with bat speed.

You're right. A much better argument is he suddenly, for one year of his career, developed a natural swing that made him hit for astounding power. Only to subsequently lose that swing for the rest of his career and never sniff the same level of home runs again....

Two questions:
(1). If they don't make a hitter better, then why have so many taken them? You apparently know something that they don't.
(2). Why are they banned? Wouldn't the league have an interest in helping its marquee talent play more games (i.e. be injured less) if steroids didn't taint performance?

by **trixR4kids** » Sat 6/16/12 9:15 pm

Your argument is not only tired and wrong but it's not validated by anything other than your own notions. Yes steroids make you stronger but hitting homeruns isn't simply a product of strength. Bat speed, vision, balance of swing etc are far more important and not in any way affected by steroid use. And arguably more important than brute strength. Unless you have some type of scientific test that shows steroids somehow improving these aspects of hitting then you're just simply arguing out your a$$.

This is getting away from the original argument anyway.

And Bush, is there any proof that Brady Anderson took steroids? Or are you just assuming he did for one year and stopped?

Two questions:
(1). If they don't make a hitter better, then why have so many taken them? You apparently know something that they don't.
(2). Why are they banned? Wouldn't the league have an interest in helping its marquee talent play more games (i.e. be injured less) if steroids didn't taint performance?

Obviously strength but getting past nagging injuries during a 162 game season is the biggest reason. That's a big reason why some of the big name pitchers were using them.

As for why they're banned you could argue that for days.

by **dxmnkd316** » Sat 6/16/12 9:21 pm

trixR4kids wrote:Unless you have some type of scientific test that shows steroids somehow improving these aspects of hitting then you're just simply arguing out your a$$.

Sorry, I couldn't help myself.

I like you trix, I do. But on this subject we're just not going to see eye-to-eye.

by **Bushwood Gopher** » Sat 6/16/12 9:22 pm

trixR4kids wrote:Your argument is not only tired and wrong but it's not validated by anything other than your own notions. Yes steroids make you stronger but hitting homeruns isn't simply a product of strength. Bat speed, vision, balance of swing etc are far more important and not in any way affected by steroid use. And arguably more important than brute strength. Unless you have some type of scientific test that shows steroids somehow improving these aspects of hitting then you're just simply arguing out your a$$.

This is getting away from the original argument anyway.

And Bush, is there any proof that Brady Anderson took steroids? Or are you just assuming he did for one year and stopped?

Two questions:
(1). If they don't make a hitter better, then why have so many taken them? You apparently know something that they don't.
(2). Why are they banned? Wouldn't the league have an interest in helping its marquee talent play more games (i.e. be injured less) if steroids didn't taint performance?

Obviously strength but getting past nagging injuries during a 162 game season is the biggest reason. That's a big reason why some of the big name pitchers were using them.

As for why they're banned you could argue that for days.

He had 72 career home runs prior to the year he hit 50. If he didn't take steroids then nobody else ever did either.

by **trixR4kids** » Sat 6/16/12 9:24 pm

dxmnkd316 wrote:I like you trix, I do. But on this subject we're just not going to see eye-to-eye.

I like you too DX, we can still be friends

Bushwood Gopher wrote:
trixR4kids wrote:Your argument is not only tired and wrong but it's not validated by anything other than your own notions. Yes steroids make you stronger but hitting homeruns isn't simply a product of strength. Bat speed, vision, balance of swing etc are far more important and not in any way affected by steroid use. And arguably more important than brute strength. Unless you have some type of scientific test that shows steroids somehow improving these aspects of hitting then you're just simply arguing out your a$$.

This is getting away from the original argument anyway.

And Bush, is there any proof that Brady Anderson took steroids? Or are you just assuming he did for one year and stopped?

Two questions:
(1). If they don't make a hitter better, then why have so many taken them? You apparently know something that they don't.
(2). Why are they banned? Wouldn't the league have an interest in helping its marquee talent play more games (i.e. be injured less) if steroids didn't taint performance?

Obviously strength but getting past nagging injuries during a 162 game season is the biggest reason. That's a big reason why some of the big name pitchers were using them.

As for why they're banned you could argue that for days.

He had 72 career home runs prior to the year he hit 50. If he didn't take steroids then nobody else ever did either.

He took steroids for one year and stopped then... you assume that is. :lol:

You're probably one of the people who thinks Jose Bautista is on some super advanced undetectable PED too.

by **dxmnkd316** » Sat 6/16/12 9:27 pm

I dunno... You simply don't double your ISOP overnight...

Bautista

by **Maize** » Sun 6/17/12 12:42 am

gopherguy13 wrote:
Bushwood Gopher wrote:Bremer just called Ben Revere the best contact hitter in the league.

Sometimes I wish I had a button bar next to me while listening to Bremer, if only for my own amusement. "What?!".... "You've gotta be kidding me!".... "Dohkay!"

Gotta remember to tune in to Common on Monday to make sure that someone sends that in for PST

Even better, he went on for quite a while today about how "deceptively fast" the 90 mph fastball the chick from the Twins was throwing today was(not quite two weeks after s**t on Bruce Chen all night for basically throwing the same way), shortly before the Brewers hit back-to-back home runs off of him. This guy missed his true calling by being born in Minnesota instead of North Korea.

by **trixR4kids** » Sun 6/17/12 4:22 pm

Revere sucks

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