Tee to Green!

by **Ben** » Sun 6/03/12 5:12 pm

frozen4champs wrote:Great, non stop Tiger talk on tv for 2 weeks leading to the US Open.

Well it worked so well for Eldrick when he won Bay Hill two weeks before Augusta. /mdwm

by **dxmnkd316** » Sun 6/03/12 7:34 pm

I'm glad Tiger won. I still like the guy despite everything that's happened over the past few years.

by **Gopher Hockey Rube** » Sun 6/03/12 7:52 pm

dxmnkd316 wrote:I'm glad Tiger won. I still like the guy despite everything that's happened over the past few years.

+1

by **Chris83** » Sun 6/03/12 9:19 pm

dxmnkd316 wrote:I'm glad Tiger won. I still like the guy despite everything that's happened over the past few years.

Well, it couldn't have been THAT tough to win. Every time I looked at ESPN's website over the past four days he was the only one playing. :lol:

by **Slap Shot** » Sun 6/03/12 9:20 pm

Gopher Hockey Rube wrote:
dxmnkd316 wrote:I'm glad Tiger won. I still like the guy despite everything that's happened over the past few years.

+1

He's known as a total asshole on the tour, is known to be one of the worst tippers of all time, can't manage his temper, melts down at the first sign of adversity, likes to blame the crowd for his mistakes, and cheated on his wife with more than a dozen women. wtf is there to like?

I cheered for him as recently as a few years ago. Now? If he never wins another major I won't lose any sleep over it.

by **Kelor** » Sun 6/03/12 9:35 pm

I can vouch for the tipping part. One of my best friends' wife is a dealer in Vegas. They all absolutely hate Tiger. He was rude all the time and never tipped.

by **Beauner** » Sun 6/03/12 9:37 pm

Chris83 wrote:
dxmnkd316 wrote:I'm glad Tiger won. I still like the guy despite everything that's happened over the past few years.

Well, it couldn't have been THAT tough to win. Every time I looked at ESPN's website over the past four days he was the only one playing.

Not to mention Levin played the back 9 with his hands firmly around his throat.

by **Snowcool08** » Sun 6/03/12 11:43 pm

Slap Shot wrote:
Gopher Hockey Rube wrote:
dxmnkd316 wrote:I'm glad Tiger won. I still like the guy despite everything that's happened over the past few years.

+1

He's known as a total asshole on the tour, is known to be one of the worst tippers of all time, can't manage his temper, melts down at the first sign of adversity, likes to blame the crowd for his mistakes, and cheated on his wife with more than a dozen women. wtf is there to like?

I cheered for him as recently as a few years ago. Now? If he never wins another major I won't lose any sleep over it.

He's one of the best golfers of all time. Just enjoy the golf and ignore the gossip magazines. He's not the first athlete to do any of those things and will certainly not be the last. The list of athletes you would cheer for would be pretty small if you knew every detail of their life like Tiger's.

by **Hobey Baker** » Sun 6/03/12 11:48 pm

frozen4champs wrote:Great, non stop Tiger talk on tv for 2 weeks leading to the US Open.

Tiger has won twice (along with Mahan and Dufner) on tour this year in probably the two biggest non major events (Palmer and Nicklaus). Rory is slumping with 3 straight missed cuts. Phil just quit a tournament because he played a horrible back 9 and was mentally fatigued. Honestly what other stories are out there right now.. Donald regaining #1. Donald, Westwood and Fowler looking for their first major? Tiger looking to win his first major since Torrey Pines?

by **Bushwood Gopher** » Mon 6/04/12 1:14 am

Hobey Baker wrote:
frozen4champs wrote:Great, non stop Tiger talk on tv for 2 weeks leading to the US Open.

Tiger has won twice (along with Mahan and Dufner) on tour this year in probably the two biggest non major events (Palmer and Nicklaus). Rory is slumping with 3 straight missed cuts. Phil just quit a tournament because he played a horrible back 9 and was mentally fatigued. Honestly what other stories are out there right now.. Donald regaining #1. Donald, Westwood and Fowler looking for their first major? Tiger looking to win his first major since Torrey Pines?

The media never needed Tiger to win for him to be the non stop story line.

How about we just let the tournament play itself out and talk about the guys who are leading/contending at the time they are leading/contending?

by **Don Adams Wheel of Justice** » Mon 6/04/12 7:42 am

He's known as a total asshole on the tour

Not true. Tiger is very well liked by most other players on the tour. If you're looking for a consenus biggest a-hole on tour, it's Ian Poulter.

by **Chris Eckes** » Mon 6/04/12 8:22 am

What a shot Tiger hit on 16. That was the "Tiger of old" down the stretch

by **Hobey Baker** » Mon 6/04/12 8:44 am

Bushwood Gopher wrote:
Hobey Baker wrote:
frozen4champs wrote:Great, non stop Tiger talk on tv for 2 weeks leading to the US Open.

Tiger has won twice (along with Mahan and Dufner) on tour this year in probably the two biggest non major events (Palmer and Nicklaus). Rory is slumping with 3 straight missed cuts. Phil just quit a tournament because he played a horrible back 9 and was mentally fatigued. Honestly what other stories are out there right now.. Donald regaining #1. Donald, Westwood and Fowler looking for their first major? Tiger looking to win his first major since Torrey Pines?

The media never needed Tiger to win for him to be the non stop story line.

How about we just let the tournament play itself out and talk about the guys who are leading/contending at the time they are leading/contending?

Which is fine but lets look at the reality that is Tiger Woods ... He has won 73 tournaments and 14 majors. Having said that, Tiger will be one of the featured groups on Th and Fr. He rarely misses a cut. Even with his sub par rounds, he usually has a story line to warrant some coverage (on the verge of making a run, lurking just off the leader board, trying to make the cut, looking to add to the title total or looking for the 15th major).

You must love watching tournaments without Tiger.

I still can't believe your silence on Phil WD'ing .. :conf2:

by **Chris Eckes** » Mon 6/04/12 9:07 am

I cannot believe that nobody has called out that notorious foulmouth Spencer Levin for his loud "GOD D@MNIT!" after he hit his tee shot on 17. :roll:

If it's noteworthy when Tiger does it, it better be noteworthy when everyone else does it too.

The Tiger haters are out in force today.

by **Hobey Baker** » Mon 6/04/12 9:12 am

Chris Eckes wrote:I cannot believe that nobody has called out that notorious foulmouth Spencer Levin for his loud "GOD D@MNIT!" after he hit his tee shot on 17.

If it's noteworthy when Tiger does it, it better be noteworthy when everyone else does it too.

The Tiger haters are out in force today.

That would be too much bonus coverage by the media to compare to Tiger!

by **Bushwood Gopher** » Mon 6/04/12 10:08 am

Hobey Baker wrote:
Bushwood Gopher wrote:
Hobey Baker wrote:
frozen4champs wrote:Great, non stop Tiger talk on tv for 2 weeks leading to the US Open.

Tiger has won twice (along with Mahan and Dufner) on tour this year in probably the two biggest non major events (Palmer and Nicklaus). Rory is slumping with 3 straight missed cuts. Phil just quit a tournament because he played a horrible back 9 and was mentally fatigued. Honestly what other stories are out there right now.. Donald regaining #1. Donald, Westwood and Fowler looking for their first major? Tiger looking to win his first major since Torrey Pines?

The media never needed Tiger to win for him to be the non stop story line.

How about we just let the tournament play itself out and talk about the guys who are leading/contending at the time they are leading/contending?

Which is fine but lets look at the reality that is Tiger Woods ... He has won 73 tournaments and 14 majors. Having said that, Tiger will be one of the featured groups on Th and Fr. He rarely misses a cut. Even with his sub par rounds, he usually has a story line to warrant some coverage (on the verge of making a run, lurking just off the leader board, trying to make the cut, looking to add to the title total or looking for the 15th major).

You must love watching tournaments without Tiger.

I still can't believe your silence on Phil WD'ing ..

I watch golf tournaments with or without Tiger and get plenty of entertainment value from them. I'm a fan of golf, not Tiger Woods. The Tiger rubes couldn't care less about golf if he's not playing.

Phil's WD was lame. He should have withdrawn prior to the tournament if he was really that fatigued so one of the alternates could have gotten in. It was poorly timed coming on the heels of his golf HOF enshrinement and was disrespectful to Nicklaus. Most of the scribes believe he did it to protest the Tour's cellphone policy. I don't care what his reason was.

by **Chris83** » Mon 6/04/12 10:35 am

Bushwood Gopher wrote:I watch golf tournaments with or without Tiger and get plenty of entertainment value from them. I'm a fan of golf, not Tiger Woods. The Tiger rubes couldn't care less about golf if he's not playing.

Phil's WD was lame. He should have withdrawn prior to the tournament if he was really that fatigued so one of the alternates could have gotten in. It was poorly timed coming on the heels of his golf HOF enshrinement and was disrespectful to Nicklaus. Most of the scribes believe he did it to protest the Tour's cellphone policy. I don't care what his reason was.

Agree with both these points 100%.

Mickelson should have had the courtesy to contact Jack prior to the start of the Memorial and tell him he was withdrawing. You don't get "fatigued" after nine holes. If he hurt himself or was ill, then fine. Bad form.

by **sunbone** » Mon 6/04/12 10:37 am

Bushwood Gopher wrote: I watch golf tournaments with or without Tiger and get plenty of entertainment value from them. I'm a fan of golf, not Tiger Woods. The Tiger rubes couldn't care less about golf if he's not playing.

Phil's WD was lame. He should have withdrawn prior to the tournament if he was really that fatigued so one of the alternates could have gotten in. It was poorly timed coming on the heels of his golf HOF enshrinement and was disrespectful to Nicklaus. Most of the scribes believe he did it to protest the Tour's cellphone policy. I don't care what his reason was.

I am a fan of golf and a fan of Tiger Woods. It is possible to be a fan of Tiger's and not be a complete ignoramus. I don't know what is more entertaining to me, watching Tiger win, watching Jack have to paste a grin on his face and act like he likes it, or listening to the whining and gnashing of teeth from the Tiger haters after he wins.

by **Bushwood Gopher** » Mon 6/04/12 11:04 am

sunbone wrote:
Bushwood Gopher wrote: I watch golf tournaments with or without Tiger and get plenty of entertainment value from them. I'm a fan of golf, not Tiger Woods. The Tiger rubes couldn't care less about golf if he's not playing.

Phil's WD was lame. He should have withdrawn prior to the tournament if he was really that fatigued so one of the alternates could have gotten in. It was poorly timed coming on the heels of his golf HOF enshrinement and was disrespectful to Nicklaus. Most of the scribes believe he did it to protest the Tour's cellphone policy. I don't care what his reason was.

I am a fan of golf and a fan of Tiger Woods. It is possible to be a fan of Tiger's and not be a complete ignoramus. I don't know what is more entertaining to me, watching Tiger win, watching Jack have to paste a grin on his face and act like he likes it, or listening to the whining and gnashing of teeth from the Tiger haters after he wins.

I never said it wasn't possible. I said the "Tiger rubes" which, by my definition, are the people who only watch golf when he is playing and/or contending. And there are plenty of those types, and they have a ton of influence on tv broadcasts. The networks know what sells and drives ratings.

I haven't heard anyone whine around here that he won. I certainly wasn't rooting for him, but he deserved it. Tee to green he was better than anyone all week.

by **sunbone** » Mon 6/04/12 11:47 am

Bushwood Gopher wrote: I never said it wasn't possible. I said the "Tiger rubes" which, by my definition, are the people who only watch golf when he is playing and/or contending. And there are plenty of those types, and they have a ton of influence on tv broadcasts. The networks know what sells and drives ratings.

I haven't heard anyone whine around here that he won. I certainly wasn't rooting for him, but he deserved it. Tee to green he was better than anyone all week.

I just think it is funny that people get all riled up about the coverage Tiger gets like it is his fault. When you yourself acknowledge the reason for it is Tiger brings in a ton of casual golf fans and drives the ratings. The guy is probably the most well known athlete since Ali, I just don't see the point in getting irked that he receieves a ton of attention. I was listening to the radio on Saturday and the ESPN update said "from the Memorial, Tiger is four strokes back" and didn't say who was leading. I thought about you and started laughing. :lol:

by **Chris83** » Mon 6/04/12 12:36 pm

sunbone wrote:
Bushwood Gopher wrote: I never said it wasn't possible. I said the "Tiger rubes" which, by my definition, are the people who only watch golf when he is playing and/or contending. And there are plenty of those types, and they have a ton of influence on tv broadcasts. The networks know what sells and drives ratings.

I haven't heard anyone whine around here that he won. I certainly wasn't rooting for him, but he deserved it. Tee to green he was better than anyone all week.

I just think it is funny that people get all riled up about the coverage Tiger gets like it is his fault. When you yourself acknowledge the reason for it is Tiger brings in a ton of casual golf fans and drives the ratings. The guy is probably the most well known athlete since Ali, I just don't see the point in getting irked that he receieves a ton of attention. I was listening to the radio on Saturday and the ESPN update said "from the Memorial, Tiger is four strokes back" and didn't say who was leading. I thought about you and started laughing.

You actually summed it up perfectly. I have ZERO issues with Tiger winning. I have VERY FEW issues with the attention he gets. It's when he gets mentioned to the exclusion of everyone else that it's irritating. Tiger is BIG money to golf and I think we ALL get that. However, "Tiger Lurking", "Tiger Prowling" and such is a bit silly when he's in a tournament (not the Memorial of course), tied for 35th place and you hear nothing else.

by **Bushwood Gopher** » Mon 6/04/12 3:29 pm

sunbone wrote:
Bushwood Gopher wrote: I never said it wasn't possible. I said the "Tiger rubes" which, by my definition, are the people who only watch golf when he is playing and/or contending. And there are plenty of those types, and they have a ton of influence on tv broadcasts. The networks know what sells and drives ratings.

I haven't heard anyone whine around here that he won. I certainly wasn't rooting for him, but he deserved it. Tee to green he was better than anyone all week.

I just think it is funny that people get all riled up about the coverage Tiger gets like it is his fault. When you yourself acknowledge the reason for it is Tiger brings in a ton of casual golf fans and drives the ratings. The guy is probably the most well known athlete since Ali, I just don't see the point in getting irked that he receieves a ton of attention. I was listening to the radio on Saturday and the ESPN update said "from the Memorial, Tiger is four strokes back" and didn't say who was leading. I thought about you and started laughing.

I agree with you re: coverage. Obviously he doesn't control any of that--my beef on that front is entirely with the media. As an example, my brother and I sat in the Carlson Toyota lobby this afternoon for 45 minutes waiting for our respective oil changes. Saw his chip in on 16, no lie, 20 times while we were there. ESPN beats things to death to the point that my brother gets up, turns the channel and says "I'd rather watch a soap than this all day long." And he's got nothing against Tiger, there's only so much of the same highlight/story that one can take.

By the way, your anecdote was funny because the first two people I thought of when he chipped in on 16 was you and Hobes! :lol:

by **Hobey Baker** » Mon 6/04/12 3:34 pm

Bushwood Gopher wrote:
sunbone wrote:
Bushwood Gopher wrote: I never said it wasn't possible. I said the "Tiger rubes" which, by my definition, are the people who only watch golf when he is playing and/or contending. And there are plenty of those types, and they have a ton of influence on tv broadcasts. The networks know what sells and drives ratings.

I haven't heard anyone whine around here that he won. I certainly wasn't rooting for him, but he deserved it. Tee to green he was better than anyone all week.

I just think it is funny that people get all riled up about the coverage Tiger gets like it is his fault. When you yourself acknowledge the reason for it is Tiger brings in a ton of casual golf fans and drives the ratings. The guy is probably the most well known athlete since Ali, I just don't see the point in getting irked that he receieves a ton of attention. I was listening to the radio on Saturday and the ESPN update said "from the Memorial, Tiger is four strokes back" and didn't say who was leading. I thought about you and started laughing.

I agree with you re: coverage. Obviously he doesn't control any of that--my beef on that front is entirely with the media. As an example, my brother and I sat in the Carlson Toyota lobby this afternoon for 45 minutes waiting for our respective oil changes. Saw his chip in on 16, no lie, 20 times while we were there. ESPN beats things to death to the point that my brother gets up, turns the channel and says "I'd rather watch a soap than this all day long." And he's got nothing against Tiger, there's only so much of the same highlight/story that one can take.

By the way, your anecdote was funny because the first two people I thought of when he chipped in on 16 was you and Hobes!

It will be interesting to see if Tiger can continue his Memorial performance (Tee to Green) at the US Open becasue he will need to be that good at the Olympic Club. I thought Tiger on Friday and Sunday was "old school" Tiger.

by **sunbone** » Mon 6/04/12 3:58 pm

Bushwood Gopher wrote: I agree with you re: coverage. Obviously he doesn't control any of that--my beef on that front is entirely with the media. As an example, my brother and I sat in the Carlson Toyota lobby this afternoon for 45 minutes waiting for our respective oil changes. Saw his chip in on 16, no lie, 20 times while we were there. ESPN beats things to death to the point that my brother gets up, turns the channel and says "I'd rather watch a soap than this all day long." And he's got nothing against Tiger, there's only so much of the same highlight/story that one can take.

By the way, your anecdote was funny because the first two people I thought of when he chipped in on 16 was you and Hobes!

So you consider Hobes and I "Tiger rubes"? :wink:

And I agree that the media over plays the Tiger angle at every opportunity. I just understand they are trying to make a buck and Tiger is money, and don't let it bother me. If you really want inside golf coverage about other golfers it really isn't that hard to find if you go beyond the usual suspects.

by **Hobey Baker** » Mon 6/04/12 4:03 pm

sunbone wrote:
Bushwood Gopher wrote: I agree with you re: coverage. Obviously he doesn't control any of that--my beef on that front is entirely with the media. As an example, my brother and I sat in the Carlson Toyota lobby this afternoon for 45 minutes waiting for our respective oil changes. Saw his chip in on 16, no lie, 20 times while we were there. ESPN beats things to death to the point that my brother gets up, turns the channel and says "I'd rather watch a soap than this all day long." And he's got nothing against Tiger, there's only so much of the same highlight/story that one can take.

By the way, your anecdote was funny because the first two people I thought of when he chipped in on 16 was you and Hobes!

So you consider Hobes and I "Tiger rubes"? And I agree that the media over plays the Tiger angle at every opportunity. I just understand they are trying to make a buck and Tiger is money, and don't let it bother me. If you really want inside golf coverage about other golfers it really isn't that hard to find if you go beyond the usual suspects.

I laugh at Bushwoods so called golf purity and do wonder if he is really that naive!!! :shock:

by **Slap Shot** » Mon 6/04/12 4:53 pm

I don't hate Tiger at all and I already noted that as recently as a few years ago was on the bandwagon. Not any more. And if anyone can find a professional athlete with that luandry list that I have cheered for I'll recant.

by **Bushwood Gopher** » Mon 6/04/12 5:17 pm

Hobey Baker wrote:
sunbone wrote:
Bushwood Gopher wrote: I agree with you re: coverage. Obviously he doesn't control any of that--my beef on that front is entirely with the media. As an example, my brother and I sat in the Carlson Toyota lobby this afternoon for 45 minutes waiting for our respective oil changes. Saw his chip in on 16, no lie, 20 times while we were there. ESPN beats things to death to the point that my brother gets up, turns the channel and says "I'd rather watch a soap than this all day long." And he's got nothing against Tiger, there's only so much of the same highlight/story that one can take.

By the way, your anecdote was funny because the first two people I thought of when he chipped in on 16 was you and Hobes!

So you consider Hobes and I "Tiger rubes"? And I agree that the media over plays the Tiger angle at every opportunity. I just understand they are trying to make a buck and Tiger is money, and don't let it bother me. If you really want inside golf coverage about other golfers it really isn't that hard to find if you go beyond the usual suspects.

I laugh at Bushwoods so called golf purity and do wonder if he is really that naive!!!

Who's naive? You think I don't get why the media does what it does? Of course I get it. Doesn't mean I have to enjoy it. Had I been alive during the Nicklaus era (at least when he was at his most dominant) and we had the 24/7 media then that we do now they'd have probably made me get sick of him, too. And I am a huge Jack Nicklaus fan.

In terms of people rooting for Tiger, no that I don't get. He's golf's version of Ty Cobb. You can be the best at your sport and still be a loathsome prick. I'll root for the lesser accomplished against him every time.

by **Don Adams Wheel of Justice** » Mon 6/04/12 5:46 pm

In terms of people rooting for Tiger, no that I don't get. He's golf's version of Ty Cobb.

That's a bit of a stretch. Ty Cobb was a racist who sharpened his spikes for the purpose of using them as weapons. Tiger is a guy who cheated on his wife. The fact that Tiger may also be an a-hole is beside the point. Most great athletes and celebrities are a-holes. Fame and money will do that to a person.

I want Tiger to win because I want to witness history. Seeing Tiger win major #15 has much more appeal to me than watching Ben Curtis lift the Claret jug.

by **frozen4champs** » Mon 6/04/12 8:27 pm

Don Adams Wheel of Justice wrote:
He's known as a total asshole on the tour

Not true. Tiger is very well liked by most other players on the tour. If you're looking for a consenus biggest a-hole on tour, it's Ian Poulter.

or Rory Sabbatini. He makes Tiger look like a saint on the course.

by **Ben** » Mon 6/04/12 8:30 pm

frozen4champs wrote:
Don Adams Wheel of Justice wrote:
He's known as a total asshole on the tour

Not true. Tiger is very well liked by most other players on the tour. If you're looking for a consenus biggest a-hole on tour, it's Ian Poulter.

or Rory Sabbatini. He makes Tiger look like a saint on the course.

FIGJAM, people.

by **Bushwood Gopher** » Mon 6/04/12 9:52 pm

Ben wrote:
frozen4champs wrote:
Don Adams Wheel of Justice wrote:
He's known as a total asshole on the tour

Not true. Tiger is very well liked by most other players on the tour. If you're looking for a consenus biggest a-hole on tour, it's Ian Poulter.

or Rory Sabbatini. He makes Tiger look like a saint on the course.

FIGJAM, people.

The FIGJAM stuff about Phil was a canard made up by some writer who wanted to create a name for himself.

by **Chris Eckes** » Tue 6/05/12 8:59 am

Casey Martin (of degenerative-condition-suing-to-ride-a-golf-cart fame) qualified for the US Open this year. It'll be interesting to see if he's allowed to ride (as I believe he won that court case).

by **sunbone** » Tue 6/05/12 9:40 am

Bushwood Gopher wrote:
Ben wrote:
frozen4champs wrote:
Don Adams Wheel of Justice wrote:
He's known as a total asshole on the tour

Not true. Tiger is very well liked by most other players on the tour. If you're looking for a consenus biggest a-hole on tour, it's Ian Poulter.

or Rory Sabbatini. He makes Tiger look like a saint on the course.

FIGJAM, people.

The FIGJAM stuff about Phil was a canard made up by some writer who wanted to create a name for himself.

Do you think the story was completely made up? I never heard that. I thought it had been exaggerated but never heard it was completely false. Not saying you are wrong but do you have a source for this?

by **Bushwood Gopher** » Tue 6/05/12 11:12 am

@sunbone: The GQ article where that expression came from used anonymous 'sourcing.' I am inherently skeptical of anonymous sources, and if Phil was as widely disliked by his peers as the article suggested then how tough would it have been to get somebody to talk on the record about it? This feels like a situation where the journalist came up with a hip nickname for him, ran with it and then used anonymous 'sources' as his immunity from any burden of proof as to the veracity of the claim.

by **sunbone** » Tue 6/05/12 12:41 pm

Bushwood Gopher wrote:@sunbone: The GQ article where that expression came from used anonymous 'sourcing.' I am inherently skeptical of anonymous sources, and if Phil was as widely disliked by his peers as the article suggested then how tough would it have been to get somebody to talk on the record about it? This feels like a situation where the journalist came up with a hip nickname for him, ran with it and then used anonymous 'sources' as his immunity from any burden of proof as to the veracity of the claim.

Okay, I was just wondering because I think more than once you have stated that the whole thing was made up. I just didn't know if that had been established or if that was just your opinion. Like I said before I always felt like the story was exaggerated. But I'm pretty sure there was some truth behind it. I always felt like the Eddie Haskell comparison Feinstein made about Phil was probably pretty accurate.

by **Chris Eckes** » Tue 6/05/12 12:43 pm

I've said it before and I'll say it again - my only experiences with Phil at a golf tournament have been very positive. He stayed after his round for 2+ hours to sign autographs for kids, and made sure everyone who was in line got one. Ever since then I've been a Phil fan.

by **sunbone** » Tue 6/05/12 12:45 pm

Chris Eckes wrote:I've said it before and I'll say it again - my only experiences with Phil at a golf tournament have been very positive. He stayed after his round for 2+ hours to sign autographs for kids, and made sure everyone who was in line got one. Ever since then I've been a Phil fan.

Which fits right in to Feinstein's Eddie Haskell comparison.

by **Bushwood Gopher** » Tue 6/05/12 1:17 pm

sunbone wrote:
Chris Eckes wrote:I've said it before and I'll say it again - my only experiences with Phil at a golf tournament have been very positive. He stayed after his round for 2+ hours to sign autographs for kids, and made sure everyone who was in line got one. Ever since then I've been a Phil fan.

Which fits right in to Feinstein's Eddie Haskell comparison.

It's interesting--there's nothing Phil can do that proves he's the real deal to some, just as there is nothing Tiger can do to prove he's not.

Here's some reading on both:

http://www.golf.com/tour-and-news/phil- ... ety-people

http://sports.espn.go.com/golf/columns/ ... id=2756572

http://espn.go.com/espn/story/_/page/Ma ... er-brother

I think it's....telling the way one treats strangers and the way the other treats family.

by **Snowcool08** » Tue 6/05/12 1:31 pm

I hate to interrupt the Phil vs. Tiger talk, but if you have the Golf Channel, you should be watching the Big Break this year. It's an all ladies group and even though they are pretty awful players, they make up for it in looks. My favorite is Natalia.

p.s. I can't find a picture that does her justice.

by **Bushwood Gopher** » Tue 6/05/12 1:34 pm

I have to agree Snowcool, that cast is quite 'talented.' :wink:

by **sunbone** » Tue 6/05/12 1:53 pm

Bushwood Gopher wrote: It's interesting--there's nothing Phil can do that proves he's the real deal to some, just as there is nothing Tiger can do to prove he's not.

Here's some reading on both:

http://www.golf.com/tour-and-news/phil- ... ety-people

http://sports.espn.go.com/golf/columns/ ... id=2756572

http://espn.go.com/espn/story/_/page/Ma ... er-brother

I think it's....telling the way one treats strangers and the way the other treats family.

So what? Should I post some articles on Tiger's charitable contributions? And what a shock that Phil's good deeds somehow end up in the press. I'm sure that is coincidence. I just don't buy the Phil is a saint and Tiger is the devil argument. None of us actually knows these guys. And I should note I love watching Phil play golf. Because he is a great golfer and entertaining as hell to watch. Not because I have any illusions that he is a wonderful human being.

by **Slap Shot** » Tue 6/05/12 4:21 pm

Who cares? Moss was great when it came to giving to charities (and kudos to him for that), it doesn't prove that in general he's not an insufferable prick. I'm sure Favre gives to charities as well but I doubt he's a teddy bear.

by **Hobey Baker** » Wed 6/06/12 12:11 am

Bushwood Gopher wrote:@sunbone: The GQ article where that expression came from used anonymous 'sourcing.' I am inherently skeptical of anonymous sources, and if Phil was as widely disliked by his peers as the article suggested then how tough would it have been to get somebody to talk on the record about it? This feels like a situation where the journalist came up with a hip nickname for him, ran with it and then used anonymous 'sources' as his immunity from any burden of proof as to the veracity of the claim.

Phil is a 100x better with the fans than Tiger. Phil is a throwback and models himself after Arnie when it comes to his style of play and treatment of the fans.

by **Tee09** » Wed 6/06/12 12:20 am

Slap Shot wrote:I'm sure Favre gives to charities as well but I doubt he's a teddy bear.

He gives to charities. If by "charities" you mean "chicks", and by "gives" you mean "texts pictures of his dick".

by **bearpaw28** » Wed 6/06/12 11:35 am

Snowcool08 wrote:I hate to interrupt the Phil vs. Tiger talk, but if you have the Golf Channel, you should be watching the Big Break this year. It's an all ladies group and even though they are pretty awful players, they make up for it in looks. My favorite is Natalia.

p.s. I can't find a picture that does her justice.

There is nothing more sexy...than an exceptionally attractive woman...who is a scratch golfer. :dup:

by **Slap Shot** » Wed 6/06/12 4:29 pm

The gal that lost Week 1 was very nice to look at. I stopped watching after that. :mrgreen:

by **Beauner** » Wed 6/06/12 8:58 pm

Slap Shot wrote:The gal that lost Week 1 was very nice to look at. I stopped watching after that.

She was my favorite :mrgreen:

by **Bushwood Gopher** » Mon 6/11/12 9:18 am

Just in case anyone was wondering what colors Tiger will be wearing this week. If they blog his breakfast routine I'll be sure to post that, too....

http://www.cbssports.com/golf/blog/eye- ... he-us-open

by **sunbone** » Mon 6/11/12 11:25 am

Bushwood Gopher wrote:Just in case anyone was wondering what colors Tiger will be wearing this week. If they blog his breakfast routine I'll be sure to post that, too....

http://www.cbssports.com/golf/blog/eye- ... he-us-open

I bet Phil's clothes will be classier.

by **Hobey Baker** » Mon 6/11/12 12:26 pm

Bushwood Gopher wrote:Just in case anyone was wondering what colors Tiger will be wearing this week. If they blog his breakfast routine I'll be sure to post that, too....

http://www.cbssports.com/golf/blog/eye- ... he-us-open

I have honestly been saying to my golf buddies that I don't understand why Nike doesn't make Tigers new shoes in Black .. looks like they will be making their debut for the US Open. I thoutht Tiger looked pretty stupid in his white shoes with his traditional Sunday red attire.

by **Snowcool08** » Mon 6/11/12 1:01 pm

Bushwood Gopher wrote:Just in case anyone was wondering what colors Tiger will be wearing this week. If they blog his breakfast routine I'll be sure to post that, too....

http://www.cbssports.com/golf/blog/eye- ... he-us-open

This is nothing new. When the PGA was at Hazeltine, they had all 4 of his outfits available at Golf Galaxy on a special rack.

by **Bushwood Gopher** » Tue 6/12/12 4:42 pm

From some of the on course reports I've read so far I have a bad feeling the USGA is going to go overboard at Olympic this week. They do not want to see a bunch of low scores under par again this year--some of these greens sound nearly unplayable.

by **Chris Eckes** » Wed 6/13/12 9:55 am

argh... this is why I like the US Open the least of the four majors... it's always so tricked up and nearly unfair. I want to see great players executing great shots, not great players getting lost in knee-high rough and hitting great shots to greens only to have the ball roll off because they've got the greens stimping at 17 and hard as rocks.

by **Bushwood Gopher** » Wed 6/13/12 10:54 am

Chris Eckes wrote:argh... this is why I like the US Open the least of the four majors... it's always so tricked up and nearly unfair. I want to see great players executing great shots, not great players getting lost in knee-high rough and hitting great shots to greens only to have the ball roll off because they've got the greens stimping at 17 and hard as rocks.

The late 90's I think was the worst in terms of their tricking it out. When the US Open was last at Olympic in '98 I remember they put the pin on 18 right on this huge slope, and if you didn't get it to the hole or past it (I'm talking about putting a ball that was 20 feet under the hole) then it rolled all the way back behind you and off the green. It was a mockery. The Shinnecock Open where Goosen won was really bad too--the par 3 7th hole was virtually unplayable. They don't need to do these kind of things--the long rough already makes the course penal enough without having to bake the greens down to concrete. I think they've done a much better job lately of not letting the courses get out of hand, I just hope they don't overreact this year because of the soft conditions at Congressional which led to low scoring. Those scores had everything to do with the heavy rains anyway and not an 'easy' course setup.

by **5 O.T.** » Wed 6/13/12 11:35 am

Chris Eckes wrote:argh... this is why I like the US Open the least of the four majors... it's always so tricked up and nearly unfair. I want to see great players executing great shots, not great players getting lost in knee-high rough and hitting great shots to greens only to have the ball roll off because they've got the greens stimping at 17 and hard as rocks.

Got to disagree with you Chris. The U.S. Open is all about course management and control. Ball placement off of the tee is critical, hitting your approach shots to the correct positions give you the opportunity to make pars and occasional birdies. Miss the fairway off the tee or get into the wrong position off the tee should make scoring difficult. Same goes for hitting approach shots to the wrong side of the pin. Make a mistake and you pay.

It's interesting the way you use the term "nearly unfair." The course is set up the same way for every player. The players are the ones that determine their fate by how they plan and execute their game. That to me is what US Open golf is all about, planning your game and execution of your plan and the ability to adapt to conditions and adversity. It's not the Quad Cities Open.

by **sunbone** » Wed 6/13/12 12:07 pm

Bushwood Gopher wrote:From some of the on course reports I've read so far I have a bad feeling the USGA is going to go overboard at Olympic this week. They do not want to see a bunch of low scores under par again this year--some of these greens sound nearly unplayable.

IIRC you and I both predicted this after last year. I hope they don't get out of hand like they have done in the past, like Pinehurst. But I totally disagree with Chris and the U.S. Open is my favorite major. The players really need to be razor sharp for 4 days, and it is a mental grind. It makes accuracy so much more important than the run of the mill PGA events where everyone just goes bombs away. It is our National championship and it also doesn't have the over the top pomposity of the Masters or the British.

by **Beauner** » Wed 6/13/12 8:41 pm

sunbone wrote:
Bushwood Gopher wrote:From some of the on course reports I've read so far I have a bad feeling the USGA is going to go overboard at Olympic this week. They do not want to see a bunch of low scores under par again this year--some of these greens sound nearly unplayable.

IIRC you and I both predicted this after last year. I hope they don't get out of hand like they have done in the past, like Pinehurst. But I totally disagree with Chris and the U.S. Open is my favorite major. The players really need to be razor sharp for 4 days, and it is a mental grind. It makes accuracy so much more important than the run of the mill PGA events where everyone just goes bombs away. It is our National championship and it also doesn't have the over the top pomposity of the Masters or the British.

Holy

, sunbone, BG and I all agree.
I like seeing the course being very difficult. I love the US Open because it forces players to hit some shots that can simply amaze me. The Masters is fun to watch, but it borders on the "too easy" line for me because some of these guys are just so damned good that it seems like the course barely poses a challenge to them on 14 or 15 holes/round.
The US Open forces players to be elite for probably 70 of the 72 holes, allowing for 1 or 2 "bad" holes (double bogies at worst) to win. The Masters, PGA and British Open players can get away with only being elite for 60-65 holes where making an eagle can quickly make up for back-to-back bogies.
Plus it makes me feel good to see the best players in the world shooting scores I get on a routine bases in a completely selfish way :mrgreen:

by **Bushwood Gopher** » Wed 6/13/12 10:27 pm

Well let's hear it boys. Who's going to win? My picks:
Winner: Matt Kuchar
Sleeper: Spencer Levin

I absolutely expect Tiger to be a factor on Sunday but he comes up a little short. I think Phil fades and Bubba MCs. Plenty of stuff here to make me look quite foolish!

by **Beauner** » Wed 6/13/12 11:47 pm

Bushwood Gopher wrote:Well let's hear it boys. Who's going to win? My picks:
Winner: Matt Kuchar
Sleeper: Spencer Levin

I absolutely expect Tiger to be a factor on Sunday but he comes up a little short. I think Phil fades and Bubba MCs. Plenty of stuff here to make me look quite foolish!

Winner: Phil Mickelson
Sleepers: Sergio Garcia (40:1 odds), Hunter Mahan (40:1 odds), Jason Dufner (25:1 odds) (not sure if any of those can be considered "sleepers" at this point, but I haven't heard much/any talk about any of them leading up to this tournament), and Graeme McDowell (66:1 odds).
Kevin Gorg picked Bo Van Pelt, so he's a guaranteed MC.

I think Tiger will have a really nice first or second round but an exceedingly average round paired with it, and then play well enough to finish in the top 10-15 but never really put a scare into the leaders after the 2nd round.
After watching Phil's interview on Tuesday, he seemed to be pretty happy with his game and the way the course is set up this weekend--at least as happy as you can be for the probable ridiculous conditions the USGA set up. He's challenged this tournament so many times, I think this may be his last legitimate chance to win a US Open. He's paired with Tiger for the first 2 rounds, which he pointed out has often brought his game up another notch, which should help. As long as he's able to make at least 97% the short putts (5 feet and in), I think he'll win. He's gotta win one US Open at some point.... right?

As far as Bubba goes, I really think he'll either be in the top 5, or miss the cut. I just don't see him being one of those guys that hangs around in the 25-30 range all weekend. He'll either make a big move and catch a ton of momentum, or fail trying one of his Bubba Golf shots and have a hole where he blows up.
I'm looking forward to seeing how Dustin Johnson plays this weekend as well. He had a really good first 3 rounds at Pebble Beach before blowing up with an 83 or whatever he shot, and he seems to be at/near the top of his game since returning from his injury. If he can figure out how to putt on these greens he'll be right there come Sunday.

Interesting side note: Andy Zhang will play in the US Open at the age of 14 after Paul Casey dropped out. At age 14, Zhang will become the youngest player to ever play in the US Open after shooting a 70-72 in the qualifying tournament.

by **Hobey Baker** » Wed 6/13/12 11:51 pm

Do you like Tiger and Phil in the same group on TH and F?

by **Beauner** » Thu 6/14/12 12:05 am

Hobey Baker wrote:Do you like Tiger and Phil in the same group on TH and F?

Yes.
Sincerely hoping it starts pouring rain around 9:30am tomorrow so I can come home and watch the entire first round. :mrgreen:

by **sunbone** » Thu 6/14/12 8:57 am

Bushwood Gopher wrote:Well let's hear it boys. Who's going to win? My picks:
Winner: Matt Kuchar
Sleeper: Spencer Levin

I absolutely expect Tiger to be a factor on Sunday but he comes up a little short. I think Phil fades and Bubba MCs. Plenty of stuff here to make me look quite foolish!

I hope you are wrong about Kuchar. It would be cool to see Levin win, banging down a heater walking up 18.

I don't like Phil this week. He might be capable of playing 71 holes in a US Open without doing something incredibly stupid, but I don't think he can make it 72. I don't like Watson this week, think Gerry just hasn't played enough lately to be sharp. Other than Tiger, guys I look to do well are Zach Johnson and Jason Dufner. A couple of guys who are playing well and hit the ball pretty straight. And since international players have a pretty good US Open record lately I will pick Lee Westwood to do well. Should be a fun tourney.

by **Chris Eckes** » Thu 6/14/12 9:49 am

Beauner wrote:
Hobey Baker wrote:Do you like Tiger and Phil in the same group on TH and F?

Yes.
Sincerely hoping it starts pouring rain around 9:30am tomorrow so I can come home and watch the entire first round.

You got your wish on the rain

by **Beauner** » Thu 6/14/12 12:20 pm

Chris Eckes wrote:
Beauner wrote:
Hobey Baker wrote:Do you like Tiger and Phil in the same group on TH and F?

Yes.
Sincerely hoping it starts pouring rain around 9:30am tomorrow so I can come home and watch the entire first round.

You got your wish on the rain

Yeah but I had to stay until 11:30 so I missed the first 8 holes of the prime pairing. Got home in time to see Phil is +4 :anger:

by **Bushwood Gopher** » Thu 6/14/12 1:03 pm

Phil has seen every inch of this course so far. Hitting it extremely poorly. That he is only +4 is testament to his remarkable short game. If he can get in at no worse than what he is right now he's still in it. This course is a beast.

by **Chris83** » Thu 6/14/12 1:43 pm

Phil (+5) and Bubba (+7) crapping the bed so far. Tiger is at -1 and currently tied for fourth.

by **h8red** » Thu 6/14/12 1:46 pm

Hobey Baker wrote:I can't believe no one called out Phil for WD'ing the Memorial after his first round 79. He was mentally fatigued.

Oh Boo Freakin' Hoo! I can't stand Mr. Lefty. He's got it so tough. All these crybaby athletes actually couldn't make it a week in the real world with all of our real stress!

by **gopherguy13** » Thu 6/14/12 2:11 pm

h8red wrote:
Hobey Baker wrote:I can't believe no one called out Phil for WD'ing the Memorial after his first round 79. He was mentally fatigued.

Oh Boo Freakin' Hoo! I can't stand Mr. Lefty. He's got it so tough. All these crybaby athletes actually couldn't make it a week in the real world with all of our real stress!

Yeah, it's super easy to become a professional golfer. No stress involved there.

And having both your wife and mother diagnosed with breast cancer within a month of each other while maintaining a high level of performance isn't very stressful, either.

Nah, he couldn't make it in the "real world". :roll:

by **h8red** » Thu 6/14/12 3:33 pm

gopherguy13 wrote:
h8red wrote:
Hobey Baker wrote:I can't believe no one called out Phil for WD'ing the Memorial after his first round 79. He was mentally fatigued.

Oh Boo Freakin' Hoo! I can't stand Mr. Lefty. He's got it so tough. All these crybaby athletes actually couldn't make it a week in the real world with all of our real stress!

Yeah, it's super easy to become a professional golfer. No stress involved there.

And having both your wife and mother diagnosed with breast cancer within a month of each other while maintaining a high level of performance isn't very stressful, either.

Nah, he couldn't make it in the "real world".

I don't believe that he could. Maybe you don't know what real stress is so it's hard for you to relate.

by **gopherguy13** » Thu 6/14/12 3:52 pm

h8red wrote:
gopherguy13 wrote:
h8red wrote:
Hobey Baker wrote:I can't believe no one called out Phil for WD'ing the Memorial after his first round 79. He was mentally fatigued.

Oh Boo Freakin' Hoo! I can't stand Mr. Lefty. He's got it so tough. All these crybaby athletes actually couldn't make it a week in the real world with all of our real stress!

Yeah, it's super easy to become a professional golfer. No stress involved there.

And having both your wife and mother diagnosed with breast cancer within a month of each other while maintaining a high level of performance isn't very stressful, either.

Nah, he couldn't make it in the "real world".

I don't believe that he could. Maybe you don't know what real stress is so it's hard for you to relate.

I just don't understand how you can pass that type of judgement on someone you don't even know.

by **Bushwood Gopher** » Thu 6/14/12 4:02 pm

It's an asinine statement. I wouldn't give it much more thought than it deserves. Phil's wife Amy and their son Evan nearly both died during her giving birth to him. Perhaps that isn't enough 'real world stress' for some. :roll:

by **sunbone** » Thu 6/14/12 4:26 pm

I'm assuming h8red was just being a smart aleck. Otherwise that may have been the dumbest post I have seen since Top Cat. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt. Anyways, I love watching Phil. Even when he is spraying the ball all over the place like today it is still entertaining watching his scrambling ability. Gerry Watson just looked disinterested the last 9 holes to me today. That guy is an odd duck. That course looked like a beast today. If it doesn't rain it could be brutal this weekend.

by **Bushwood Gopher** » Thu 6/14/12 4:34 pm

sunbone wrote:I'm assuming h8red was just being a smart aleck. Otherwise that may have been the dumbest post I have seen since Top Cat. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt. Anyways, I love watching Phil. Even when he is spraying the ball all over the place like today it is still entertaining watching his scrambling ability. Gerry Watson just looked disinterested the last 9 holes to me today. That guy is an odd duck. That course looked like a beast today. If it doesn't rain it could be brutal this weekend.

Outside of Tiger who made things look very easy today, that group was pretty painful to watch. I didn't think Watson would play well because he made critical comments about the course earlier in the week. Usually when guys start whining before they even tee it up that's a sign they aren't in the right frame of mind to compete at their highest level.

I love watching PM too but Phil to the U.S. Open is like Greg Norman to the Masters. I don't see Phil ever winning the U.S. Open. Too much scar tissue, some of it due to bad luck and some self induced.

Agree on the course, too. If it stays dry the course superintendent better get creative to maintain playability...

by **F Da Sue** » Thu 6/14/12 4:55 pm

Chris Berman announcing golf. :ddown:

by **h8red** » Thu 6/14/12 5:04 pm

sunbone wrote:I'm assuming h8red was just being a smart aleck. Otherwise that may have been the dumbest post I have seen since Top Cat. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt. Anyways, I love watching Phil. Even when he is spraying the ball all over the place like today it is still entertaining watching his scrambling ability. Gerry Watson just looked disinterested the last 9 holes to me today. That guy is an odd duck. That course looked like a beast today. If it doesn't rain it could be brutal this weekend.

Thank you sunbone. I'm glad you were able to see my sarcasm. It's kinda interesting when some people can joke on this site and nothing is said but others get ripped.

Oh well. I do like his username however. F Da Sue is pretty sweet!

By the way, what did Topcat say?

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