Twins 2012 season

by **dxmnkd316** » Tue 5/08/12 10:31 pm

Armadillo wrote:
dxmnkd316 wrote:Not as mad as you Dix Hole. Or wait, that's not your name... Weird.

That seemed uncalled for.

That's the point. Until he can finally take the five seconds to type my name correctly, I don't see why I should take the time to use the key 3/4" to the left of the D. I'll trade him pejorative for pejorative.

by **dryfly** » Tue 5/08/12 10:35 pm

I don't know why you can't love the Twins and still think they are losers. At least this current reincarnation of total suck. Hell Cubs fans have done that with their team since I don't know ... maybe the end of WWI?

We got many decades to go and damn - we already won TWO more WS than they did. How cool is that?

EDIT: at 8-21 still on pace to lose 117+ ...

by **Armadillo** » Tue 5/08/12 10:35 pm

dxmnkd316 wrote:
Armadillo wrote:
dxmnkd316 wrote:Not as mad as you Dix Hole. Or wait, that's not your name... Weird.

That seemed uncalled for.

That's the point. Until he can finally take the five seconds to type my name correctly, I don't see why I should take the time to use the key 3/4" to the left of the D. I'll trade him pejorative for pejorative.

Fair enough. As you were.

by **Six Hole** » Tue 5/08/12 11:16 pm

Armadillo wrote:
dxmnkd316 wrote:
Armadillo wrote:
dxmnkd316 wrote:Not as mad as you Dix Hole. Or wait, that's not your name... Weird.

That seemed uncalled for.

That's the point. Until he can finally take the five seconds to type my name correctly, I don't see why I should take the time to use the key 3/4" to the left of the D. I'll trade him pejorative for pejorative.

Fair enough. As you were.

Ya'll gone make DXMN lose his mind... up in here, up in here. Didn't know we took our handles so SRSLY. Many apologies.

Nevertheless, I wasn't mad -- even after you called me Dix Hole. My original point remains: I wish you would have taken me up on that bet that you liked so much.

by **Viking** » Wed 5/09/12 8:45 am

dryfly wrote:I don't know why you can't love the Twins and still think they are losers. At least this current reincarnation of total suck. Hell Cubs fans have done that with their team since I don't know ... maybe the end of WWI?

We got many decades to go and damn - we already won TWO more WS than they did. How cool is that?

EDIT: at 8-21 still on pace to lose 117+ ...

Better check your facts there. The Twins have not won FOUR World Series.

by **sunbone** » Wed 5/09/12 9:13 am

Bushwood Gopher wrote:
Six Hole wrote:
dxmnkd316 wrote:
Bushwood Gopher wrote:You are as predictable as the day is long.

And your blind hatred of everything Twins is as predictable as the galaxy is wide.

He's right, Busher, you do hate the Twins.

I take umbrage to that Six. I don't merely hate them, I blindly hate them.

Bushwood doesn't hate the Twins. He just hates the front office, the coaching staff, the announcers, and 95% of the players. :wink:

by **Five-HoleFrenzy** » Wed 5/09/12 9:56 am

sunbone wrote:
Bushwood Gopher wrote:
Six Hole wrote:
dxmnkd316 wrote:
Bushwood Gopher wrote:You are as predictable as the day is long.

And your blind hatred of everything Twins is as predictable as the galaxy is wide.

He's right, Busher, you do hate the Twins.

I take umbrage to that Six. I don't merely hate them, I blindly hate them.

Bushwood doesn't hate the Twins. He just hates the front office, the coaching staff, the announcers, and 95% of the players.

And the 5% can be attributted to something about blind squirrels and nuts.

by **dryfly** » Wed 5/09/12 10:22 am

Viking wrote:
dryfly wrote:I don't know why you can't love the Twins and still think they are losers. At least this current reincarnation of total suck. Hell Cubs fans have done that with their team since I don't know ... maybe the end of WWI?

We got many decades to go and damn - we already won TWO more WS than they did. How cool is that?

EDIT: at 8-21 still on pace to lose 117+ ...

Better check your facts there. The Twins have not won FOUR World Series.

Okay - over the last 100+ years then. And while a NL 'Dynasty' in the teen's through the depression no WS wins. After that 'futile' is the word that comes to mind. But there is always next year!

And that run up through 1908 was awesome!

by **Viking** » Wed 5/09/12 10:26 am

dryfly wrote:
Viking wrote:
dryfly wrote:I don't know why you can't love the Twins and still think they are losers. At least this current reincarnation of total suck. Hell Cubs fans have done that with their team since I don't know ... maybe the end of WWI?

We got many decades to go and damn - we already won TWO more WS than they did. How cool is that?

EDIT: at 8-21 still on pace to lose 117+ ...

Better check your facts there. The Twins have not won FOUR World Series.

Okay - over the last 100+ years then. And while a NL 'Dynasty' in the teen's through the depression no WS wins. After that 'futile' is the word that comes to mind. But there is always next year!

And that run up through 1908 was awesome!

Wait til next year!!!

by **dryfly** » Wed 5/09/12 8:31 pm

5-0 last night ... 0-5 so far tonight. Twins VIX off the chart ... should be an ETF. We'd all be rich.

by **Kelor** » Wed 5/09/12 8:46 pm

dryfly wrote:5-0 last night ... 0-5 so far tonight. Twins VIX off the chart ... should be an ETF. We'd all be rich.

Can we triple short it?

by **Beauner** » Wed 5/09/12 9:54 pm

Leave it to the Twins to make a guy who was previously like 0-6 with an ERA near 6 look like a Cy Young candidate today. :oops:

by **Bushwood Gopher** » Wed 5/09/12 10:21 pm

Beauner wrote:Leave it to the Twins to make a guy who was previously like 0-6 with an ERA near 6 look like a Cy Young candidate today.

14/30 games now with 2 runs or less.

by **Gopherguy05** » Wed 5/09/12 10:33 pm

Valencia sent to AAA, Maloney designated for assignment. Liriano to bullpen, Dario Mastrioani and PJ Walters called up from AAA. Walters to start Saturday night.

by **dxmnkd316** » Thu 5/10/12 12:25 am

Hooray. We suck again. There was much rejoicing among twins territory.

by **Slap Shot** » Thu 5/10/12 12:27 am

dxmnkd316 wrote:Hooray. We suck again. There was much rejoicing among twins territory.

Or rather disappointment?

by **Hobey Baker** » Thu 5/10/12 12:48 am

Valencia to Rochester.

by **Handyman** » Thu 5/10/12 12:59 am

dxmnkd316 wrote:Hooray. We suck again. There was much rejoicing among twins territory.

When did we stop? Last I checked we lost 99 games last year and have won single digits this year...

by **sunbone** » Thu 5/10/12 8:43 am

Hobey Baker wrote:Valencia to Rochester.

Poor, misunderstood, picked upon Danny. If only he was receiving the proper coaching he could become the next Mike Schmidt.

by **JWG** » Thu 5/10/12 9:18 am

Gopherguy05 wrote:Valencia sent to AAA, Maloney designated for assignment. Liriano to bullpen, Dario Mastrioani and PJ Walters called up from AAA. Walters to start Saturday night.

Need to designate the entire club to AAA, AAA to AA and AA to A. A will be moved to little league.
All we're doing is swapping AAA talent up and down. And, really, our AAA club is closer to AA now a days.

by **rowshkex** » Thu 5/10/12 9:54 am

The better be a Bryce Howard talent in the draft...

by **oldpirate33** » Thu 5/10/12 10:16 am

rowshkex wrote:The better be a Bryce Howard talent in the draft...

I'm not sure how Ron Howard's daughter is going to help the team.

by **Bushwood Gopher** » Thu 5/10/12 11:22 am

oldpirate33 wrote:
rowshkex wrote:The better be a Bryce Howard talent in the draft...

I'm not sure how Ron Howard's daughter is going to help the team.

She couldn't slug any worse than most of what we have here now.

by **sunbone** » Thu 5/10/12 11:26 am

oldpirate33 wrote:
rowshkex wrote:The better be a Bryce Howard talent in the draft...

I'm not sure how Ron Howard's daughter is going to help the team.

Give tips to Mauer on feminine hygiene?

by **rowshkex** » Thu 5/10/12 1:51 pm

FMP: There better be a Bryce Harper talent in the draft...

by **Tee09** » Thu 5/10/12 2:27 pm

sunbone wrote:
oldpirate33 wrote:
rowshkex wrote:The better be a Bryce Howard talent in the draft...

I'm not sure how Ron Howard's daughter is going to help the team.

Give tips to Mauer on feminine hygiene?

I thought he'd be an expert, what with all the shampoo and conditioner commercials he's in.

by **Greyeagle** » Thu 5/10/12 7:59 pm

Little leaguers are embarrassed but the Twins.

by **Bushwood Gopher** » Thu 5/10/12 8:03 pm

Greyeagle wrote:Little leaguers are embarrassed but the Twins.

Was about to say the same thing.

What I saw the first 3 innings tonight was not major league caliber. This organization should be utterly embarrassed by how bare its cupboard is.

by **dxmnkd316** » Thu 5/10/12 8:56 pm

I was talking about this organization with a vendor today. All I can think of is that this team started to turn to s**t as soon as Smith took over. It's going to take five or six years to undo the damage. Probably more. At this point, they should wholeheartedly adopt the youth movement and draft well over the next few years. Rebuild through the draft. Get willingham on a team that deserves him. Probably an AL team in need of a DH because he's almost as inept as Delmon in the field. Get some pitching prospects.

Blow it up.

by **rowshkex** » Thu 5/10/12 9:18 pm

dxmnkd316 wrote:I was talking about this organization with a vendor today. All I can think of is that this team started to turn to s**t as soon as Smith took over. It's going to take five or six years to undo the damage. Probably more. At this point, they should wholeheartedly adopt the youth movement and draft well over the next few years. Rebuild through the draft. Get willingham on a team that deserves him. Probably an AL team in need of a DH because he's almost as inept as Delmon in the field. Get some pitching prospects.

Blow it up.

Agreed. It's great the Willingham is doing so well--if he keeps it up, we could easily get a prospect for him.

by **SouthTexGopher** » Thu 5/10/12 9:24 pm

dxmnkd316 wrote:Blow it up.

Sad to say it, but you're right.

This season has caused me to start wearing my Rangers gear more...and I've even abandoned my Twins-centric ringtone. Good grief they're embarrassing.

by **Bushwood Gopher** » Thu 5/10/12 9:42 pm

dxmnkd316 wrote:I was talking about this organization with a vendor today. All I can think of is that this team started to turn to s**t as soon as Smith took over. It's going to take five or six years to undo the damage. Probably more. At this point, they should wholeheartedly adopt the youth movement and draft well over the next few years. Rebuild through the draft. Get willingham on a team that deserves him. Probably an AL team in need of a DH because he's almost as inept as Delmon in the field. Get some pitching prospects.

Blow it up.

So does that mean you're on board with axing Gardenhire/Vavra/Anderson? Because none of it will matter if those guys keep reinforcing their ridiculous Little League philosophies with major league hitters & pitchers.

by **Snowcool08** » Thu 5/10/12 10:10 pm

Bushwood Gopher wrote:
dxmnkd316 wrote:I was talking about this organization with a vendor today. All I can think of is that this team started to turn to s**t as soon as Smith took over. It's going to take five or six years to undo the damage. Probably more. At this point, they should wholeheartedly adopt the youth movement and draft well over the next few years. Rebuild through the draft. Get willingham on a team that deserves him. Probably an AL team in need of a DH because he's almost as inept as Delmon in the field. Get some pitching prospects.

Blow it up.

So does that mean you're on board with axing Gardenhire/Vavra/Anderson? Because none of it will matter if those guys keep reinforcing their ridiculous Little League philosophies with major league hitters & pitchers.

Do you mean like "hit the ball where it's pitched" and "try to hit line-drives because they are harder to catch." I think the half of the reason the Twins can't hit for power in the new park is that nobody tries to hit for power and they're being taught to hit singles. The other half is that these players just aren't good, but that's a whole different story for another day.

by **theskillz** » Thu 5/10/12 10:17 pm

I've got a Twins license plate frame. I'm searching for something to replace it.

by **Armadillo** » Thu 5/10/12 10:22 pm

theskillz wrote:I've got a Twins license plate frame. I'm searching for something to replace it.

by **davescharf** » Thu 5/10/12 10:53 pm

rowshkex wrote::oops:

FMP: There better be a Bryce Harper talent in the draft...

Sorry

http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/dr ... 13371.html

by **gopherguy13** » Thu 5/10/12 10:56 pm

I was glancing at the TV from the deck every now and again. Saw an infield pop fly hit the ground and that was enough for me...

by **Maize** » Thu 5/10/12 11:10 pm

If the MN legislature wants to pay for the Vikings Stadium with gambling money, they could do a lot worse than letting it ride on the Blue Jays tomorrow night.

by **Tee09** » Thu 5/10/12 11:19 pm

Maize wrote:If the MN legislature wants to pay for the Vikings Stadium with gambling money, they could do a lot worse than letting it ride on the Blue Jays tomorrow night.

Heh.

by **Beauner** » Thu 5/10/12 11:34 pm

davescharf wrote:
rowshkex wrote::oops:

FMP: There better be a Bryce Harper talent in the draft...

Sorry

http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/dr ... 13371.html

This should be a no-brainer. Draft Zunino. Kid can play. It gives us a C and allows us to move Big Pink to 1B or the outfield full-time. I don't care if he wants to catch. He's being paid too much to risk the injuries he will inevitably get while catching from foul tips etc.

There aren't any SPs worth drafting 2nd overall. We have something like 5 picks in the top 75 IIRC, so we can probably take a risk on a couple younger Ps with upside with a couple of those picks and then draft a college P that can hopefully be ready in 2-3 years.

by **Bushwood Gopher** » Thu 5/10/12 11:54 pm

Beauner wrote:
davescharf wrote:
rowshkex wrote::oops:

FMP: There better be a Bryce Harper talent in the draft...

Sorry

http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/dr ... 13371.html

This should be a no-brainer. Draft Zunino. Kid can play. It gives us a C and allows us to move Big Pink to 1B or the outfield full-time. I don't care if he wants to catch. He's being paid too much to risk the injuries he will inevitably get while catching from foul tips etc.

There aren't any SPs worth drafting 2nd overall. We have something like 5 picks in the top 75 IIRC, so we can probably take a risk on a couple younger Ps with upside with a couple of those picks and then draft a college P that can hopefully be ready in 2-3 years.

Pretty deep FA class next year for catchers. I really hope they don't take him--we are never going to sign a front end rotation guy, so it would seem to make sense that they should leverage the #2 overall spot on some arm they think offers that kind of potential. Whether that's Appel, Gausman or Zimmer who knows but they should be taking one of those three guys in my opinion.

by **dryfly** » Fri 5/11/12 1:10 am

Tee09 wrote:
Maize wrote:If the MN legislature wants to pay for the Vikings Stadium with gambling money, they could do a lot worse than letting it ride on the Blue Jays tomorrow night.

Heh.

They'd win that game then lose the next eight.

by **sagard** » Fri 5/11/12 9:26 am

dryfly wrote:
They'd win that game then lose the next eight.

Could we then get rid of the Vikes?

by **Maize** » Fri 5/11/12 10:32 am

dryfly wrote:
They'd win that game then lose the next eight.

Normally yes, but the Jays pretty much own the Twins. I liked the stat last night that the only players with more home runs at Target Field than Jose Bautista are Jim Thome, Michael Cuddyer, Jason Kubel, and Danny Valencia.

by **gopherguy13** » Fri 5/11/12 1:32 pm

Stupid Question: If a player retires, is the team released from all future financial responsibilities in their contract?

by **Slap Shot** » Fri 5/11/12 4:45 pm

Maize wrote:If the MN legislature wants to pay for the Vikings Stadium with gambling money, they could do a lot worse than letting it ride on the Blue Jays tomorrow night.

Sad but true. :mrgreen:

by **dryfly** » Fri 5/11/12 8:36 pm

gopherguy13 wrote:Stupid Question: If a player retires, is the team released from all future financial responsibilities in their contract?

I think so - but I would not be surprised to learn 'retirements are negotiated'... meaning I'll let you suckers out of the total obligations you owe me but only if you agree to pay me 75% ... otherwise I'm coming back and you owe no matter how bad I suck.

Then there is deferred payments too which kick in upon retirement.

It is good to be King.

by **Bushwood Gopher** » Fri 5/11/12 10:02 pm

dryfly wrote:
gopherguy13 wrote:Stupid Question: If a player retires, is the team released from all future financial responsibilities in their contract?

I think so - but I would not be surprised to learn 'retirements are negotiated'... meaning I'll let you suckers out of the total obligations you owe me but only if you agree to pay me 75% ... otherwise I'm coming back and you owe no matter how bad I suck.

Then there is deferred payments too which kick in upon retirement.

It is good to be King.

The player goes into the Voluntary Retired List and the team ends its financial obligations toward him. I'm too lazy to look it up right now but I would be very surprised if the hypothetical that dryfly mentioned is...legal under the league's CBA.

by **dryfly** » Fri 5/11/12 10:09 pm

Bushwood Gopher wrote:
dryfly wrote:
gopherguy13 wrote:Stupid Question: If a player retires, is the team released from all future financial responsibilities in their contract?

I think so - but I would not be surprised to learn 'retirements are negotiated'... meaning I'll let you suckers out of the total obligations you owe me but only if you agree to pay me 75% ... otherwise I'm coming back and you owe no matter how bad I suck.

Then there is deferred payments too which kick in upon retirement.

It is good to be King.

The player goes into the Voluntary Retired List and the team ends its financial obligations toward him. I'm too lazy to look it up right now but I would be very surprised if the hypothetical that dryfly mentioned is...legal under the league's CBA.

Maybe but then why retire until your contract runs out? Make them cut you instead - in baseball they would still owe you. Most everything is done in guaranteed contracts.

The only way I would voluntarily retire with years and $$$ left is with some sort of buyout which is really what I describe and not that uncommon elsewhere in 'business'. I would be shocked if those kinds of things aren't being arranged somehow.

by **sec 16 row16 seat 16 17** » Sat 5/12/12 4:35 pm

that pop up play the other night in front of home plate. i never laughed so hard in my life.

by **gopherguy13** » Sat 5/12/12 7:42 pm

Wow, Bautista loves hitting here!

by **rowshkex** » Sun 5/13/12 12:21 am

Duensing to be considered for starter again... He deserves another chance, although I can understand the hesitancy, given last year's poor showing. Anyone else think that the general morale may have contributed something to that?

by **Greyeagle** » Sun 5/13/12 11:26 am

2012 MN Twins: The drive for double digits in wins

by **Slap Shot** » Sun 5/13/12 1:03 pm

Can they just fire Gardy already? Please?

by **ScoobyDoo** » Sun 5/13/12 1:20 pm

Slap Shot wrote:Can they just fire Gardy already? Please?

As long as he takes Terry Ryan and the medical staff with him.

by **sec 16 row16 seat 16 17** » Sun 5/13/12 1:29 pm

how about the pitching coach taking some heat.

by **Bushwood Gopher** » Sun 5/13/12 1:54 pm

sec 16 row16 seat 16 17 wrote:how about the pitching coach taking some heat.

If Gardy goes so do Rick Anderson and Joe Vavra. No manager in his right mind keeps those two guys on staff.

by **Greyeagle** » Sun 5/13/12 2:25 pm

ScoobyDoo wrote:
Slap Shot wrote:Can they just fire Gardy already? Please?

As long as he takes Terry Ryan and the medical staff with him.

I am more than willing to give Terry Ryan a lot of rope. When he left the organization was in very good shape and his successor completely boofed it. I don't know if Ryan is the long term solution but I have a hell of a lot more faith him than Billy Smith.

by **Bushwood Gopher** » Sun 5/13/12 3:54 pm

Couldn't touch Diamond thru 7. Yanked after 101. :roll:

by **rowshkex** » Sun 5/13/12 6:39 pm

Bushwood Gopher wrote:Couldn't touch Diamond thru 7. Yanked after 101.

He was pushing it letting Diamond throw that last pitch...

by **Bushwood Gopher** » Sun 5/13/12 7:05 pm

rowshkex wrote:
Bushwood Gopher wrote:Couldn't touch Diamond thru 7. Yanked after 101.

He was pushing it letting Diamond throw that last pitch...

True enough. Anything over 100 and you completely risk a guy's arm falling off.

by **Beauner** » Mon 5/14/12 9:36 pm

Doumit spray-farted all over that HR.

by **Beauner** » Mon 5/14/12 9:56 pm

At least Matt Capps is good. :roll:

by **Bushwood Gopher** » Mon 5/14/12 9:59 pm

Beauner wrote:At least Matt Capps is good.

Proven closer. :crazy:

by **rowshkex** » Mon 5/14/12 10:49 pm

Bushwood Gopher wrote:
Beauner wrote:At least Matt Capps is good.

Proven closer.

Most valuable position in the game.

by **dryfly** » Mon 5/14/12 11:43 pm

rowshkex wrote:
Bushwood Gopher wrote:
Beauner wrote:At least Matt Capps is good.

Proven closer.

Most valuable position in the game.

Assuming you have leads to save.

by **Bushwood Gopher** » Mon 5/14/12 11:54 pm

dryfly wrote:
rowshkex wrote:
Bushwood Gopher wrote:
Beauner wrote:At least Matt Capps is good.

Proven closer.

Most valuable position in the game.

Assuming you have leads to save.

Oh he was being rightfully sarcastic. :wink:

by **rowshkex** » Tue 5/15/12 9:49 am

Bushwood Gopher wrote:
dryfly wrote:
rowshkex wrote:
Bushwood Gopher wrote:
Beauner wrote:At least Matt Capps is good.

Proven closer.

Most valuable position in the game.

Assuming you have leads to save.

Oh he was being rightfully sarcastic.

No way, totally serious. DIdn't you see how valuable Joe Nathan was??? He had HUNDREDS of saves for us.

by **Beauner** » Tue 5/15/12 3:10 pm

Fantastic effort by the Twins offense today. 6 hits, 3 from Dozier, 1 each from Casilla, Doumit, and Komatsu. 22 groundouts.
Unbelievable how bad this team is.

by **Bushwood Gopher** » Tue 5/15/12 3:18 pm

Beauner wrote:Fantastic effort by the Twins offense today. 6 hits, 3 from Dozier, 1 each from Casilla, Doumit, and Komatsu. 22 groundouts.
Unbelievable how bad this team is.

22 groundouts? That has to be some kind of modern day record. Were they at least going the other way?

EDIT: I looked at the box score from cbssports. 18 ground ball outs with 4 double plays = 22 outs via grounder. Mauer grounded out to first, second and shortstop. He just needed one more at bat to hit for the ground ball cycle.

by **Beauner** » Tue 5/15/12 3:30 pm

Bushwood Gopher wrote:
Beauner wrote:Fantastic effort by the Twins offense today. 6 hits, 3 from Dozier, 1 each from Casilla, Doumit, and Komatsu. 22 groundouts.
Unbelievable how bad this team is.

22 groundouts? That has to be some kind of modern day record. Were they at least going the other way?

I don't think so.
We also hit into 4 double plays as a team and Mauer was not one of them! :shock:

Although he was batting 2nd today and Mastroanni was leading off, so he didn't exactly have the opportunity to hit into a DP.

by **rowshkex** » Tue 5/15/12 4:59 pm

I think we also left a record number of players on base during one game this past weekend...

by **dryfly** » Tue 5/15/12 9:29 pm

Give these guys a break...

Their moving average the last ten games is 3-7 [0.300] while just 10-26 [0.278] for the season ... they are actually playing 'better'.

[/snark]

by **rowshkex** » Wed 5/16/12 12:21 am

dryfly wrote:Give these guys a break...

Their moving average the last ten games is 3-7 [0.300] while just 10-26 [0.278] for the season ... they are actually playing 'better'.

[/snark]

They're just ramping up before the big push to get them out of first pick. :biggrin2:

by **monty** » Wed 5/16/12 8:21 am

Since the season is lost and the team isn't getting any power from the 3B or RF positions let's bring up the #1 rated prospect.
Here is his stats from low A ball. More than 50% of his AB's end in a HR, walk or SO. The number of errors is alarming. It will at least 2014 and probably 2015 before the Twins will be competitive again, this kid might not be polished enough by then.

Player POS G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI TB BB SO SB CS OBP SLG AVG OPS E
Miguel Sano 3B 38 136 27 39 9 2 11 35 85 24 42 2 1 .406 .625 .287 1.031 11

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