Norm wrote:Probably came down to the fact that he expects to leave early. Tough to do when your Dad is the coach. How do you persuade others to stay when your son leaves?
Riff Raff wrote:Norm wrote:Probably came down to the fact that he expects to leave early. Tough to do when your Dad is the coach. How do you persuade others to stay when your son leaves?
agreed, but.......How do you persuade others to come here in the first place when you own kid doesn't?
thedude wrote:Riff Raff wrote:Norm wrote:Probably came down to the fact that he expects to leave early. Tough to do when your Dad is the coach. How do you persuade others to stay when your son leaves?
agreed, but.......How do you persuade others to come here in the first place when you own kid doesn't?
Looks like it hasn't been too much of a problem...
BlueBandit24 wrote:thedude wrote:Riff Raff wrote:Norm wrote:Probably came down to the fact that he expects to leave early. Tough to do when your Dad is the coach. How do you persuade others to stay when your son leaves?
agreed, but.......How do you persuade others to come here in the first place when you own kid doesn't?
Looks like it hasn't been too much of a problem...
Yea, I can't see any evidence that recruiting has taken a hit because of that.
Riff Raff wrote:Norm wrote:Probably came down to the fact that he expects to leave early. Tough to do when your Dad is the coach. How do you persuade others to stay when your son leaves?
agreed, but.......How do you persuade others to come here in the first place when you own kid doesn't?
Hammy wrote:Riff Raff wrote:Norm wrote:Probably came down to the fact that he expects to leave early. Tough to do when your Dad is the coach. How do you persuade others to stay when your son leaves?
agreed, but.......How do you persuade others to come here in the first place when you own kid doesn't?
Maybe it is me but I think this kind of remark makes it seem like parents and kids are not very intelligent. These people are going to understand there is an entirely different dynamic involved when you are talking about a coach's kid.
sunbone wrote:I don't know if he would or would not upset the chemistrybut, you said it "wouldn't be worth upsetting..." meaning it would diminish not add to the chemistry, just like you don'tI never said I did know, but rather another outcome exists: that he could add to it....It seems like Don came to the same conclusion as I did.It appears you agree with the outcome that Mario is going away to school. However, you don't know if you and Don came to the same conclusion or not. Is it possible that Don wanted Mario to come to the U but truly left it up to him, or that his mother or brother or priest or Ouija Board may have had some influence?
streakygopher wrote:sunbone wrote:I don't know if he would or would not upset the chemistrybut, you said it "wouldn't be worth upsetting..." meaning it would diminish not add to the chemistry, just like you don'tI never said I did know, but rather another outcome exists: that he could add to it....It seems like Don came to the same conclusion as I did.It appears you agree with the outcome that Mario is going away to school. However, you don't know if you and Don came to the same conclusion or not. Is it possible that Don wanted Mario to come to the U but truly left it up to him, or that his mother or brother or priest or Ouija Board may have had some influence?
I understand that some people can't figure out that if Don really wanted Mario to come here he would have. Even people who are pretty dumb.
streakygopher wrote:sunbone wrote:I don't know if he would or would not upset the chemistrybut, you said it "wouldn't be worth upsetting..." meaning it would diminish not add to the chemistry, just like you don'tI never said I did know, but rather another outcome exists: that he could add to it....It seems like Don came to the same conclusion as I did.It appears you agree with the outcome that Mario is going away to school. However, you don't know if you and Don came to the same conclusion or not. Is it possible that Don wanted Mario to come to the U but truly left it up to him, or that his mother or brother or priest or Ouija Board may have had some influence?
I understand that some people can't figure out that if Don really wanted Mario to come here he would have. Even people who are pretty dumb.
Iceburg wrote:Jupiter wrote:I assume that Jake is the young Guentzel that I see a lot at Mariucci wearing a lot of "M" gear?


Riff Raff wrote:BlueBandit24 wrote:thedude wrote:Riff Raff wrote:Norm wrote:Probably came down to the fact that he expects to leave early. Tough to do when your Dad is the coach. How do you persuade others to stay when your son leaves?
agreed, but.......How do you persuade others to come here in the first place when you own kid doesn't?
Looks like it hasn't been too much of a problem...
Yea, I can't see any evidence that recruiting has taken a hit because of that.
me neither, but it's too early to tell.....the "sell" had already been done on the current committs when he committed. I can see Hak, Eaves etc... using this down the road. Whether it works or not is to be seen.

Iceburg wrote:NHL Central Scouting releases early rankings of players in the four top North American junior leagues for next spring's draft (LINK). Brady Skjei rated fifth and A.J. Michaelson 14th for USHL draft eligibles.
pjl7 wrote:Riff Raff wrote:
me neither, but it's too early to tell.....the "sell" had already been done on the current committs when he committed. I can see Hak, Eaves etc... using this down the road. Whether it works or not is to be seen.
Eaves probably can't say much about this since Patrick, his more talented son followed his brother to BC instead of donning the red polyester leisure suit in 2003.
LeoPohl wrote:I'm still surprised Michaelson is that high. I'm interested to see where that would put him the draft.
Hammy wrote:LeoPohl wrote:I'm still surprised Michaelson is that high. I'm interested to see where that would put him the draft.
I think AJ is going to be a decent player at the U. He'll create opportunities with his excellent speed and decent size on the big ice sheet. I really don't think he'll turn into a star type of player at the rate he is going though. He may score more than I think in college given some of the smaller, really skilled guys we have recruited and their ability to create space and make plays.
But my expectations have lowered some and I am simply looking for the kid to come in, skate hard, chip in some goals, play some PK (always good to have speed at forward on the PK), and throw his body around some.
LeoPohl wrote:I'm not questioning your take, but it makes me wonder why he keeps being rated so highly given how much he's struggling in the USHL.
Hammy wrote:LeoPohl wrote:I'm not questioning your take, but it makes me wonder why he keeps being rated so highly given how much he's struggling in the USHL.
Probably because he started off with more early positive hype. But the more they see him and the less he does, the more he is going to get picked apart and see his stock drop. He's gonna need to really pick it up. I said he wouldn't be a 1st rounder. Now I am starting to think he won't be a 2nd rounder either. I'm thinking 3rd or 4th round at this rate.
Brady Skjei, D (6-2.75, 200): The Lakeville, Minn., native has made an immediate impression in his first season with the NTDP U-18 team. He has 3 assists in 13 games, but also has proven to be a steady influence along the blue line. In 2010-11, Skjei played a significant role on the U-17 team that placed second at the 2011 World U-17 Hockey Challenge, scoring 4 points in six games.
Skjei, who is headed to the University of Minnesota where his grandfather, Stan, was a collegiate football star in the early 1960s, finished with 5 goals and 19 points in 55 games with the U-17 team last season. Skjei has been compared to former USNTDP defenseman Derek Forbort, who was taken by the Los Angeles Kings with the 15th pick of the 2010 draft. Skjei is an elite skater and puck mover and brings a bit of creativity off the transition.
"He's a good, big player and unbelievable skater," Barzee said. "His size and puck skills will put him right up there with the top defensemen of this draft."
WestCoastGopherGuy wrote:i dont want to take a shot at forbort because he seems like a nice kid, but i hope skjei is a better college hockey player than forbort has been to this point..
Hammy wrote:Forbort's issue is he is a big kid that plays smaller. Unlike a lot of Sioux defensemen in the last 10 years with similar size, Forbort doesn't use it.
Skjei is a great skater with good size. He's not lanky like Forbort was at that age.
LeoPohl wrote:His scouting report coming out of the NTDP was that he could be pretty nasty at times, as well.
Hammy wrote:LeoPohl wrote:His scouting report coming out of the NTDP was that he could be pretty nasty at times, as well.
Not sure what scouting reports you were reading but that is hardly what was being said. Nasty? Not quite.
Hammy wrote:It happens to all of us. No one is immune to that.
steps1299 wrote:Hammy,
Anyway Cammarata has a chance to come in next year? Has he been accelerating HS? This kids looks like the real deal playing in the USHL against kids 2-3 years older than him.
gopherguy13 wrote:Maybe I slept through this day in English class, but what sound does "Skj" make?![]()
psych wrote:gopherguy13 wrote:Maybe I slept through this day in English class, but what sound does "Skj" make?![]()
Sh.
streakygopher wrote:My take on Forbort is that he does not play with a lot of confidence, especially with the puck. Compare him to Schmidt this season versus last and Marshall as a freshman. Also, I agree that expecting him to play both sides of the rink is like asking Kent Hrbek or Joe Mauer to hit home runs.
Speaking of Marshall, he is this year what I thought Ness was going to be.
Bushwood Gopher wrote:Marshall is better as a freshman than Ness was as a junior. I recall there being a couple folks who thought he was going to be sorely missed this year. Not so much.

Bushwood Gopher wrote:streakygopher wrote:My take on Forbort is that he does not play with a lot of confidence, especially with the puck. Compare him to Schmidt this season versus last and Marshall as a freshman. Also, I agree that expecting him to play both sides of the rink is like asking Kent Hrbek or Joe Mauer to hit home runs.
Speaking of Marshall, he is this year what I thought Ness was going to be.
Not to derail the thread, but where is there a comparison whatsoever between Joe Mauer and Kent Hrbek re: their homerun hitting ability? Hrbek had 10 seasons of hitting 20+ or more home runs.![]()
Marshall is better as a freshman than Ness was as a junior. I recall there being a couple folks who thought he was going to be sorely missed this year. Not so much.

Hammy wrote:Wilcox is getting traded from Green Bay to Tri City for a 1st round pick. He'll likely start full time for Tri City as opposed to splitting starts at GB so hopefully it will help him get more prepared for college. I would imagine his stats will take a bit of a hit though as Tri City is not as good defensively. I guess we'll see though.
Hammy wrote:Wilcox is getting traded from Green Bay to Tri City for a 1st round pick. He'll likely start full time for Tri City as opposed to splitting starts at GB so hopefully it will help him get more prepared for college. I would imagine his stats will take a bit of a hit though as Tri City is not as good defensively. I guess we'll see though.
Davey J. wrote:Hammy wrote:Wilcox is getting traded from Green Bay to Tri City for a 1st round pick. He'll likely start full time for Tri City as opposed to splitting starts at GB so hopefully it will help him get more prepared for college. I would imagine his stats will take a bit of a hit though as Tri City is not as good defensively. I guess we'll see though.
The more shots he faces the better for his long-term development.
ND GOPHER wrote:Hammy wrote:Wilcox is getting traded from Green Bay to Tri City for a 1st round pick. He'll likely start full time for Tri City as opposed to splitting starts at GB so hopefully it will help him get more prepared for college. I would imagine his stats will take a bit of a hit though as Tri City is not as good defensively. I guess we'll see though.
Glad they decided to move him. Didnt benefit anyone but GB to keep him. Its a tough spot for USHL teams.... better your team or do whats best for player development?
LeoPohl wrote:ND GOPHER wrote:Hammy wrote:Wilcox is getting traded from Green Bay to Tri City for a 1st round pick. He'll likely start full time for Tri City as opposed to splitting starts at GB so hopefully it will help him get more prepared for college. I would imagine his stats will take a bit of a hit though as Tri City is not as good defensively. I guess we'll see though.
Glad they decided to move him. Didnt benefit anyone but GB to keep him. Its a tough spot for USHL teams.... better your team or do whats best for player development?
What makes you think they don't think it's not the best for the team? They had two goalies who were going to be gone next season. This way they still have an outstanding goaltender and they get a first round pick out of the deal. If they keep him, they get nothing. Barring an injury to Miami bound Ryan McKay, it's hard to imagine another goaltender meaning much more than five points to the team this season. The first round pick in next year's entry draft may give the team ten more points next year. How is this a case of player development and team success being mutually exclusive?
ND GOPHER wrote:LeoPohl wrote:ND GOPHER wrote:Hammy wrote:Wilcox is getting traded from Green Bay to Tri City for a 1st round pick. He'll likely start full time for Tri City as opposed to splitting starts at GB so hopefully it will help him get more prepared for college. I would imagine his stats will take a bit of a hit though as Tri City is not as good defensively. I guess we'll see though.
Glad they decided to move him. Didnt benefit anyone but GB to keep him. Its a tough spot for USHL teams.... better your team or do whats best for player development?
What makes you think they don't think it's not the best for the team? They had two goalies who were going to be gone next season. This way they still have an outstanding goaltender and they get a first round pick out of the deal. If they keep him, they get nothing. Barring an injury to Miami bound Ryan McKay, it's hard to imagine another goaltender meaning much more than five points to the team this season. The first round pick in next year's entry draft may give the team ten more points next year. How is this a case of player development and team success being mutually exclusive?
GB leads the league and could have easily decided to keep their platoon, which worked well for them for last season and up to this point. However at some point they needed to do whats best for the players, no matter the benefit to Green Bay. I hope they broke it up out of courtesy to both McKay and Wilcox. I guess we wont know until it plays out, maybe Tri-City and Green Bay will play for the Cup...
ND GOPHER wrote:LeoPohl wrote:ND GOPHER wrote:Hammy wrote:Wilcox is getting traded from Green Bay to Tri City for a 1st round pick. He'll likely start full time for Tri City as opposed to splitting starts at GB so hopefully it will help him get more prepared for college. I would imagine his stats will take a bit of a hit though as Tri City is not as good defensively. I guess we'll see though.
Glad they decided to move him. Didnt benefit anyone but GB to keep him. Its a tough spot for USHL teams.... better your team or do whats best for player development?
What makes you think they don't think it's not the best for the team? They had two goalies who were going to be gone next season. This way they still have an outstanding goaltender and they get a first round pick out of the deal. If they keep him, they get nothing. Barring an injury to Miami bound Ryan McKay, it's hard to imagine another goaltender meaning much more than five points to the team this season. The first round pick in next year's entry draft may give the team ten more points next year. How is this a case of player development and team success being mutually exclusive?
GB leads the league and could have easily decided to keep their platoon, which worked well for them for last season and up to this point. However at some point they needed to do whats best for the players, no matter the benefit to Green Bay. I hope they broke it up out of courtesy to both McKay and Wilcox. I guess we wont know until it plays out, maybe Tri-City and Green Bay will play for the Cup...
streakygopher wrote:In the article cited above, Nanne makes this comment, which he has told me personally before:
“I will tell them this: Playing in high school will not hold you back from your long-term goals. If they are good enough to play pro someday, that won’t change because they played another year of high school hockey.”
I have always felt this way, and it is the reason I think kids should stay in high school for the experience and in college as long as they can for the experience. Bjugstad is a good example. He has had a meteoric rise from his freshman to sophomore seasons. Will he play in the NHL? Almost certainly...but the NHL will be there the year after too and if he likes college life he could stay one more year and enjoy that experience he will never ever get back again.

Hammy wrote:While I suppose he could always go back and change his mind (a la Kyle Rau), Lettieri told me last month that he was planning on playing in the USHL his senior year.
streakygopher wrote:My take on Forbort is that he does not play with a lot of confidence, especially with the puck. Compare him to Schmidt this season versus last and Marshall as a freshman. Also, I agree that expecting him to play both sides of the rink is like asking Kent Hrbek or Joe Mauer to hit home runs.
Speaking of Marshall, he is this year what I thought Ness was going to be.
ScoobyDoo wrote:Being someone who didn't experience High School or College I couldn't agree with Mr. Nanne more. Don't be in a big hurry to grow up, there's plenty of time for that and it's not all it's cracked up to be anyway.
george wrote:ScoobyDoo wrote:Being someone who didn't experience High School or College I couldn't agree with Mr. Nanne more. Don't be in a big hurry to grow up, there's plenty of time for that and it's not all it's cracked up to be anyway.
Were you in juvie that whole time?

WestCoastGopherGuy wrote:are the kids on the u17 team basically grandfathered into the u18 team? what are the chances cammarata gets an spot on that team next year? he is clearly good enough and it would do him good to get some work against ncaa teams next year and really hit the ground running his freshman year at the U.
Dave
Hammy wrote:I won't claim to know what his decision might be if he was put in that spot. But I personally find a little satisfaction every time a MN kid tells the NTPD to shove it.
streakygopher wrote:Hey, any G2 on the Merchant kid? It appears he's uncommitted, yet highly thought of.
Iceburg wrote:Recent Penticton highlights
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