Vikings Update '09 (Regular Season)

by **dxmnkd316** » Wed 10/28/09 9:38 pm

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4601368

waaaaah waaaaahhh..... :blahblah:

by **mnwildfan79** » Thu 10/29/09 12:52 pm

dxmnkd316 wrote:http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4601368

waaaaah waaaaahhh.....

I read that too and had to chuckle.

Edgar Bennet > Adrian Peterson

hahahahaha

by **Cardinal** » Thu 10/29/09 1:03 pm

More self-promotion ... but ... pretty cool video recapping last Sunday's game with some inside looks at different aspects of things.

http://www.vikings.com/media-vault/vide ... af65eb38b2

by **Bushwood Gopher** » Thu 10/29/09 1:35 pm

dxmnkd316 wrote:http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4601368

waaaaah waaaaahhh.....

All the article proves is that Green Bay players are every bit as lacking in objectivity as Green Bay fans. Must be something in the water up there. Chmura couldn't find an edge for the Vikings at any position? One of the funniest things I've ever heard from a Packer rube. Oh well. Chewy isn't exactly known for relaying accurate, shall we say, "testimony"....

by **trixR4kids** » Thu 10/29/09 5:54 pm

mnwildfan79 wrote:
I read that too and had to chuckle.

Edgar Bennet > Adrian Peterson

hahahahaha

Actually it was Dorsey Levens as our main RB if I remember correctly. The guy was no AP either though.

As for the 09 packers I still can't figure them out. I thought we could have beat the vikings the first time if a few things went differently but we deservedly lost. Not sure if the O line has improved at all yet seeing as we've played the bottom of the league for two straight games. Same goes for our defense. Hopefully Dom Capers can pull his head out of his you know what for this game as the defensive play calling was horrible last time. If we actually get pressure on Favre we might see more of those picks he liked to throw when he played for us. Also bigby is back which may or may not help, the guy is kind of an idiot but he can make great plays.

by **mnwildfan79** » Thu 10/29/09 6:33 pm

trixR4kids wrote:
mnwildfan79 wrote:
I read that too and had to chuckle.

Edgar Bennet > Adrian Peterson

hahahahaha

Actually it was Dorsey Levens as our main RB if I remember correctly. The guy was no AP either though.

As for the 09 packers I still can't figure them out. I thought we could have beat the vikings the first time if a few things went differently but we deservedly lost. Not sure if the O line has improved at all yet seeing as we've played the bottom of the league for two straight games. Same goes for our defense. Hopefully Dom Capers can pull his head out of his you know what for this game as the defensive play calling was horrible last time. If we actually get pressure on Favre we might see more of those picks he liked to throw when he played for us. Also bigby is back which may or may not help, the guy is kind of an idiot but he can make great plays.

So did I until I looked it up. It was Edgar Bennett.

by **sunbone** » Thu 10/29/09 6:57 pm

Dances With Gophers wrote:http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4603562

EDEN PRAIRIE, Minn. -- Despite a report that he had died, former Minnesota Vikings strong safety Orlando Thomas is alive and fighting Lou Gehrig's Disease, his agent said on Wednesday.

"It's not true," Mark Bartelstein said, according to the Minneapolis Star Tribune. "He's still fighitng as hard as ever. I don't know anybody to fight a disease or illness the way he has fought this. He's continuing to fight the fight and is cheering on the Vikings every day."

Bartelstein told the newspaper that he spoke to Thomas' family Wednesday evening. Thomas, 37, began feeling symptoms of amyotrophic lateral sclerosis in 2004, and the disease was diagnosed in 2007.

According to Bartelstein, the team picked up on reports from local media reports in Louisiana saying Thomas had died. The Associated Press then reported his death.

"You know how in today's world once rumors start, it spreads like wildfire, Bartelstein said, according to the newspaper. "You know how people communicate nowadays. But it's totally false. He's sick, but he's good and and he's fighting the battle he fights every day."

Man, I feel bad for his family. It must be hard enough for them without having to deal with this crap.

by **Slap Shot** » Fri 10/30/09 4:17 am

mnwildfan79 wrote:So did I until I looked it up. It was Edgar Bennett.

Rushing Rush Yds Avg TD
Edgar Bennett, GB 222 899 4.0 2
Dorsey Levens, GB 121 566 4.7 5

That's one of the years Terry Allen went off after the Vikings let him go. :chainsaw:

by **Bushwood Gopher** » Sun 11/01/09 4:57 pm

Percy Harvin: "He's a freak. He's the fastest kid alive!"

by **DrunkHockeyGuy** » Sun 11/01/09 6:29 pm

CARDINAL, you got to catch that 1 hopper from Rodgers next time man!

by **dxmnkd316** » Sun 11/01/09 8:26 pm

Cardinal, can you correct PA when you're on next week.

I agree that harvin is a fantastic kick returner, but to say he's the best in the NFL...? That seems like a bit of a stretch.

Anyways, the Vikings looked good and I absolutely LOVE the cutthroat approach by chilly. He absolutely went for the kill today a couple of times and it panned out. Great game on the field, great game on the sidelines. I have zero complaints about this team at this point.

I think we're going to look back at the end of the season and see that this could be the biggest victory of the season.

by **Bushwood Gopher** » Sun 11/01/09 9:06 pm

dxmnkd316 wrote:Cardinal, can you correct PA when you're on next week. I agree that harvin is a fantastic kick returner, but to say he's the best in the NFL...? That seems like a bit of a stretch.

Anyways, the Vikings looked good and I absolutely LOVE the cutthroat approach by chilly. He absolutely went for the kill today a couple of times and it panned out. Great game on the field, great game on the sidelines. I have zero complaints about this team at this point.

I think we're going to look back at the end of the season and see that this could be the biggest victory of the season.

He's #1 in kickoff return average and #1 in kickoff return touchdowns. Does that not qualify as the best?

And I'll say this much, for as great as Favre was yet again today, I don't think the Vikings win this game without Harvin on the roster. His kick returns in the 2nd half completely reversed Green Bay's momentum and allowed us to get great field position without us having to rely on perfect offensive execution. The adjustment he made on the touchdown catch was brilliant, as were the vision & cutback he displayed in finding the goal line after the catch. Haven't heard much from the Michael Oher crowd of late. :wink:

by **dxmnkd316** » Sun 11/01/09 9:10 pm

Bushwood Gopher wrote:
dxmnkd316 wrote:Cardinal, can you correct PA when you're on next week. I agree that harvin is a fantastic kick returner, but to say he's the best in the NFL...? That seems like a bit of a stretch.

Anyways, the Vikings looked good and I absolutely LOVE the cutthroat approach by chilly. He absolutely went for the kill today a couple of times and it panned out. Great game on the field, great game on the sidelines. I have zero complaints about this team at this point.

I think we're going to look back at the end of the season and see that this could be the biggest victory of the season.

He's #1 in kickoff return average and #1 in kickoff return touchdowns. Does that not qualify as the best?

And I'll say this much, for as great as Favre was yet again today, I don't think the Vikings win this game without Harvin on the roster. His kick returns in the 2nd half completely reversed Green Bay's momentum and allowed us to get great field position without us having to rely on perfect offensive execution. The adjustment he made on the touchdown catch was brilliant, as were the vision & cutback he displayed in finding the goal line after the catch. Haven't heard much from the Michael Oher crowd of late.

I'm showing Ginn Jr. as #1 in return average and return TDs... Harvin is #3 in both among those with 5 or more returns.

by **Hobey Baker** » Sun 11/01/09 9:18 pm

dxmnkd316 wrote:Cardinal, can you correct PA when you're on next week. I agree that harvin is a fantastic kick returner, but to say he's the best in the NFL...? That seems like a bit of a stretch.

Anyways, the Vikings looked good and I absolutely LOVE the cutthroat approach by chilly. He absolutely went for the kill today a couple of times and it panned out. Great game on the field, great game on the sidelines. I have zero complaints about this team at this point.

I think we're going to look back at the end of the season and see that this could be the biggest victory of the season.

Sweep! Sweep! Sweep! Sweep! Sweep! Sweep!

Favre, Harvin, AP and the offensive lines pass protection were outstanding today. I too loved the fact that Chilli went after the Packers .. it something he usually doesn't do. In the border battle games, Rodgers was sacked 14 times / Favre 0. I love the fact that we are 4 - 1 on the road, a very impressive stat in the NFL.

We dominated defensively again for a half but again let the other team back in the game. This game was well in hand, up 18, and things just got out of hand too quickly. The Robison turnover really changed the momentum. Tackling was very suspect in the second half. What the heck was Sapp doing on Rodgers run down the sideline? This game should not have been that close.

by **bienek** » Sun 11/01/09 9:21 pm

Awesome to beat the packers twice, but I wish it would have ended up the blowout it was turning out to be. It was making it hard on my remote control. I think I wore out the jump button!

by **dxmnkd316** » Sun 11/01/09 9:33 pm

Hobey Baker wrote:
dxmnkd316 wrote:Cardinal, can you correct PA when you're on next week. I agree that harvin is a fantastic kick returner, but to say he's the best in the NFL...? That seems like a bit of a stretch.

Anyways, the Vikings looked good and I absolutely LOVE the cutthroat approach by chilly. He absolutely went for the kill today a couple of times and it panned out. Great game on the field, great game on the sidelines. I have zero complaints about this team at this point.

I think we're going to look back at the end of the season and see that this could be the biggest victory of the season.

Sweep! Sweep! Sweep! Sweep! Sweep! Sweep!

Favre, Harvin, AP and the offensive lines pass protection were outstanding today. I too loved the fact that Chilli went after the Packers .. it something he usually doesn't do. In the border battle games, Rodgers was sacked 14 times / Favre 0. I love the fact that we are 4 - 1 on the road, a very impressive stat in the NFL.

We dominated defensively again for a half but again let the other team back in the game. This game was well in hand, up 18, and things just got out of hand too quickly. The Robison turnover really changed the momentum. Tackling was very suspect in the second half. What the heck was Sapp doing on Rodgers run down the sideline? This game should not have been that close.

At our viewing party as soon as I saw robison catch it, i just started saying, "Drop down, drop down, drop down" until he fumbled... It was the single most aggravating thing I've seen this season. You have NO business running with a ball on a kickoff. Unless your name is percy harvin your job on the kickoff if you happen to touch the ball is to fall down. That's it. Oh well, I lied, I had that complaint.

by **DrunkHockeyGuy** » Mon 11/02/09 12:02 am

Hobey Baker wrote: I too loved the fact that Chilli went after the Packers ..

I do need to disagree here. I am not going to get into a Chilly bashing contest because I believe he has had a pretty decent year to this point and am happy with what I see. When you have the right QB for this offense it is a lot better. But went after the Packers? We had the ball with 2:32 left in the 2nd and 2 timeouts and I see us taking our time and all I was thinking was "step on their throat now and end this." Instead he goes chilly on it and lets them hang around. I see so many times we get up 2 TD's and he doesn't go for the 3rd to put it away.

Other than that things are great in Purple land.

by **Snowcool08** » Mon 11/02/09 1:16 am

I love the way we're playing right now. There's plenty of times I tell the TV that we should be handing it to Adrian more, but everything we do offensively seems to work out regardless. We set ourselves up great with having 3 very winnable games at home after the bye. 10-1 four weeks from now is an excellent possibility. The only complaint is the team getting a little lackadaisical when we get ahead by 2 or more scores. The only good thing is that we can flip the switch back on and pull away again.

by **pjoyn** » Mon 11/02/09 7:39 am

dxmnkd316 wrote:
Bushwood Gopher wrote:
dxmnkd316 wrote:Cardinal, can you correct PA when you're on next week. I agree that harvin is a fantastic kick returner, but to say he's the best in the NFL...? That seems like a bit of a stretch.

Anyways, the Vikings looked good and I absolutely LOVE the cutthroat approach by chilly. He absolutely went for the kill today a couple of times and it panned out. Great game on the field, great game on the sidelines. I have zero complaints about this team at this point.

I think we're going to look back at the end of the season and see that this could be the biggest victory of the season.

He's #1 in kickoff return average and #1 in kickoff return touchdowns. Does that not qualify as the best?

And I'll say this much, for as great as Favre was yet again today, I don't think the Vikings win this game without Harvin on the roster. His kick returns in the 2nd half completely reversed Green Bay's momentum and allowed us to get great field position without us having to rely on perfect offensive execution. The adjustment he made on the touchdown catch was brilliant, as were the vision & cutback he displayed in finding the goal line after the catch. Haven't heard much from the Michael Oher crowd of late.

I'm showing Ginn Jr. as #1 in return average and return TDs... Harvin is #3 in both among those with 5 or more returns.

Going into yesterday, I think Harvin was #1 in those categories. Ginn returned two yesterday, so that would have put him over Harvin. So, in this instance, PA's purple colored glasses were seeing the truth.

by **jallengarry** » Mon 11/02/09 9:42 am

Hobey Baker wrote:Favre, Harvin, AP and the offensive lines pass protection were outstanding today. I too loved the fact that Chilli went after the Packers .. it something he usually doesn't do. In the border battle games, Rodgers was sacked 14 times / Favre 0. I love the fact that we are 4 - 1 on the road, a very impressive stat in the NFL.

We dominated defensively again for a half but again let the other team back in the game. This game was well in hand, up 18, and things just got out of hand too quickly. The Robison turnover really changed the momentum. Tackling was very suspect in the second half. What the heck was Sapp doing on Rodgers run down the sideline? This game should not have been that close.

Besides the obvious momentum change off the fumble, I think I big key to them moving the ball later was they abandoned the run and started really picking on Carl Paymah. Jennings has been an absolute zero factor this year and he had 88 and a TD yesterday working on Carl. When Winfield comes back after the bye I think they shore that up quite a bit. They also got stuck on the field for a bit with the turnover and then Favre just missing Percy on that 3rd down...like the only mistake he made all day. The Sapp play was really weird, just took a bad angle I guess but a QB went by him like he was standing still for an extra 20 yards.

Percy in the slot is absolutely uncoverable by linebackers and safteys. It's a joke, and usually an easy 3rd down conversion. My only concern is the guy is already dinged and taking a beating over the middle and in the return game. He'll just have to hold it together because he's so electrifying you just need him in both spots. Great game all around...really pleased. Vegas had them by 3...somebody got paid on that I bet...we're clearly just a better team.

For all the talk about what would be worse for fans...us having to stomach Favre or them having to live without him....it has CLEARLY wounded them more emotionally...and I got to say it's a pleasure to watch them morn. :nutz:

by **dxmnkd316** » Mon 11/02/09 9:46 am

pjoyn wrote:Going into yesterday, I think Harvin was #1 in those categories. Ginn returned two yesterday, so that would have put him over Harvin. So, in this instance, PA's purple colored glasses were seeing the truth.

I stand corrected.

by **Greyeagle** » Mon 11/02/09 9:58 am

DrunkHockeyGuy wrote:
Hobey Baker wrote: I too loved the fact that Chilli went after the Packers ..

I do need to disagree here. I am not going to get into a Chilly bashing contest because I believe he has had a pretty decent year to this point and am happy with what I see. When you have the right QB for this offense it is a lot better. But went after the Packers? We had the ball with 2:32 left in the 2nd and 2 timeouts and I see us taking our time and all I was thinking was "step on their throat now and end this." Instead he goes chilly on it and lets them hang around. I see so many times we get up 2 TD's and he doesn't go for the 3rd to put it away.

Other than that things are great in Purple land.

I agree - seemed afraid to push the ball and risk a turnover. Instead we had a lineman who decided to channel his inner-refrigerator Perry and carry the football turn the ball over and make the game way more interesting than it needed to be.

A bye week and a couple bottom feeders before da bears. The vikes of old would take a knee against Detroilet & Spewattle, so far I'm not seeing it with this team. It would be nice to have Winfield back for da bears game.

by **Greyeagle** » Mon 11/02/09 10:14 am

Oh that wacky Chilly! He dressed up as flight attendent...not sure if it on the way there or back.
http://twitpic.com/nk7us
http://twitpic.com/nk7ku

by **Handyman** » Mon 11/02/09 10:28 am

How did the Vikes not step on the throat exactly...they were up by 21 points (on a throwing TD not a fluke AP run) before the FG and Robison fumble. The game was a laugher before that there was no conservative play at all. Then after the fumble and subsequent TD they STILL threw the ball on 3 straight downs (2 of which were almost picked) despite a complete momentum shift. Not conservative at all. Then finally, at the end he threw the ball on 3rd and 3 (despite what happened last week which cost us the game) and they scored to ice the game. (when GB was out of time outs so they could have just let the clock run as much as they wanted by running the ball and kicking the FG to make it an 8 point lead)

Chilli went for it on 4th and goal, went for it the next drive on 4th and 1 and let Brett pretty much do what he wanted out there. He didn't let up after turnovers either which was also surprising. If Robison doesn't fumble that kickoff, GB never gets within 20. They were pathetic to watch before that.

What was key though was after GB made it close, Harvin killed them with another huge return. When he gave the Vikes good field position after GB got within a score that flipped momentum back to the Vikings. In years past the Vikes would not have had a return like (because their returners usually blew) to juice everyone back up but Harvin just ran by everyone and the rest as they say is history.

by **DrunkHockeyGuy** » Mon 11/02/09 11:05 am

Handyman wrote:How did the Vikes not step on the throat exactly...they were up by 21 points (on a throwing TD not a fluke AP run) before the FG and Robison fumble. The game was a laugher before that there was no conservative play at all. Then after the fumble and subsequent TD they STILL threw the ball on 3 straight downs (2 of which were almost picked) despite a complete momentum shift. Not conservative at all. Then finally, at the end he threw the ball on 3rd and 3 (despite what happened last week which cost us the game) and they scored to ice the game. (when GB was out of time outs so they could have just let the clock run as much as they wanted by running the ball and kicking the FG to make it an 8 point lead)

Handy, it was before the half when it was 14-3 and we had the ball at our own 40 with 2:32 to go. We were taking our time huddling and then made a couple of good pass plays to get us to the 30 and he ran it 3 times and settled for a field goal. I just though we were moving it so well there lets get 7 more. In the end that is the way he does things and it didn't hurt, I just didn't understand not going for 7 there.

I was just surprised with how he had been aggressive to that point, ie going for it on 4th down twice, that he took a conservative approach with 2:32 to go and 2 timeouts. Don't get your pantys in a bundle. Like I said in the original post, I like what Chilly has done and don't mind that an extension is coming, my point was I was surprised he didn't try more aggressively to send them to the locker room down even more.

by **Larch** » Mon 11/02/09 11:13 am

Greyeagle wrote:Oh that wacky Chilly! He dressed up as flight attendent...not sure if it on the way there or back.
http://twitpic.com/nk7us
http://twitpic.com/nk7ku
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That was on the way back from the Pittsburgh game.

by **Cardinal** » Mon 11/02/09 11:16 am

Larch wrote:
Greyeagle wrote:Oh that wacky Chilly! He dressed up as flight attendent...not sure if it on the way there or back.
http://twitpic.com/nk7us
http://twitpic.com/nk7ku
chily.jpg[/attachme nt][attachment=0]chily2.jpg

That was on the way back from the Pittsburgh game.

It was on the way to Pittsburgh.

by **Hobey Baker** » Mon 11/02/09 4:21 pm

Greyeagle wrote:
DrunkHockeyGuy wrote:
Hobey Baker wrote: I too loved the fact that Chilli went after the Packers ..

I do need to disagree here. I am not going to get into a Chilly bashing contest because I believe he has had a pretty decent year to this point and am happy with what I see. When you have the right QB for this offense it is a lot better. But went after the Packers? We had the ball with 2:32 left in the 2nd and 2 timeouts and I see us taking our time and all I was thinking was "step on their throat now and end this." Instead he goes chilly on it and lets them hang around. I see so many times we get up 2 TD's and he doesn't go for the 3rd to put it away.

Other than that things are great in Purple land.

I agree - seemed afraid to push the ball and risk a turnover. Instead we had a lineman who decided to channel his inner-refrigerator Perry and carry the football turn the ball over and make the game way more interesting than it needed to be.

A bye week and a couple bottom feeders before da bears. The vikes of old would take a knee against Detroilet & Spewattle, so far I'm not seeing it with this team. It would be nice to have Winfield back for da bears game.

I guess I was simply coming from the point of view that Chilli actually had the guts to go for it on 4th down in some big situations .. something he rarely does. He usually takes the 3 and moves on!

by **Slap Shot** » Mon 11/02/09 7:43 pm

I think the Robison fumble had more to do with the mometum swing than the defense.

by **Greyeagle** » Mon 11/02/09 8:14 pm

Cardinal wrote:
Larch wrote:
Greyeagle wrote:Oh that wacky Chilly! He dressed up as flight attendent...not sure if it on the way there or back.
http://twitpic.com/nk7us
http://twitpic.com/nk7ku
chily.jpg[/attachme nt][attachment=0]chily2.jpg

That was on the way back from the Pittsburgh game.

It was on the way to Pittsburgh.

Thanks.
Chili's kinda hot.

by **ScoobyDoo** » Mon 11/02/09 8:19 pm

Slap Shot wrote:I think the Robison fumble had more to do with the mometum swing than the defense.

I do too.

by **Snowcool08** » Tue 11/03/09 12:00 am

ScoobyDoo wrote:
Slap Shot wrote:I think the Robison fumble had more to do with the mometum swing than the defense.

I do too.

It was the fumble and the defense being tired from the 10 play drive that they were just trying to recover from. I was watching the game with a GB fan and he immediately said after the fumble that the comeback was on. Even with all GB fans being delusional, even they could sense it.

by **The Rube** » Tue 11/03/09 1:05 am

Chilli made some gutsy calls on 4th downs, and definitely was going for the throat. That was awesome to see, because that is the anti-Chilly. However, he still reverted to a prevent type of defense when they ahem, "had the game in hand" and it looked like it was going to cost them, until they reverted to what they were doing before. So, in hindsight, he learned from that first MN-GB matchup.

Still, that should worry a Viking fan. Does Chilli time that adjustment at the right time?

He's no Walsh, or Vermiel, or (ugh) Belicheck, but he's a solid coach. He's proven that with the records that the Vikes have put up, and the improvement in the team over the last few years.

What I would be worried about is when (and if, of course) this happens against a team (cough, New Orleans) when all the chips are on the table. If MN is facing NO in the NFC Championship game, and MN has a 14-17 point lead, and you see that prevent come out.....how confident are you really? I'd be scared to death.

by **Slap Shot** » Tue 11/03/09 6:32 am

The Rube wrote:What I would be worried about is when (and if, of course) this happens against a team (cough, New Orleans) when all the chips are on the table. If MN is facing NO in the NFC Championship game, and MN has a 14-17 point lead, and you see that prevent come out.....how confident are you really? I'd be scared to death.

This has bothered me quite a bit. I don't have any stats to prove this, but I'd be willing to bet a large chunk of passing yards the Vikings have given up this year have come when they've had a lead, possibly even a large chunk when they've had a sizeable lead. I don't know how much of that is due to scheming, intensity, personell or whatever, but they need to shore that up or it will eventually bite them in the arse at the wrong time.

by **Handyman** » Tue 11/03/09 10:30 am

Last I checked Leslie Frazier sets the scheme and calls the defense not Chilli.

And BTW the Vikes were blitzing when they had the lead in the 3rd and 4th quarter, it was just ineffective. Green Bay spent a lot of time in the shotgun which nullified the rush. Did the Vikes play more base D, yes they did but it actually worked better in the second half than the blitz did. (Frazier was sending safeties a lot and they were getting nowhere near Rodgers) Green Bay was stopping whatever blitz we brought and Rodgers was throwing to the the hole in the subsequent zone or the single coverage. You don't just keep blitzing if it isnt working because a decent QB will pick you apart.

Fans go to the "Prevent Defense" argument everytime a defense gives up yards and points with a lead. Just like they complain about lack of coverage when the blitz is picked up ignoring the fact that that the blitz you were just begging for was the reason the guy was open. (when you blitz someone that is less people in coverage, or a zone defense meaning someone is going to be open) Green Bay got a lucky break and went into a quick rhythm offense in hopes of catching the Vikes tired and off guard. It worked, it was a great adjustment by them. Guess what, the Vikes adjusted back a little later and Green Bay could do nothing again. That is going to happen during the course of the game.

by **Slap Shot** » Tue 11/03/09 2:45 pm

Handyman wrote:Last I checked Leslie Frazier sets the scheme and calls the defense not Chilli.

Who said anything different?

Handyman wrote:Guess what, the Vikes adjusted back a little later and Green Bay could do nothing again. That is going to happen during the course of the game.

Understood, but given how often this has happened already this season why not anticipate the counter and adjust more quickly? Now, I think the Robison fumble coming off a long drive had a lot to do with this game, but I'm referring to all the games in which they've held big leads and didn't hold them.

by **mnwildfan79** » Tue 11/03/09 7:10 pm

Slap Shot wrote:
Handyman wrote:Last I checked Leslie Frazier sets the scheme and calls the defense not Chilli.

Who said anything different?

The Rube. You even responded to the post he said it in.

by **Handyman** » Tue 11/03/09 9:47 pm

Shhhh...Slap Shot thinks he is the only one anyone is ever responding to

by **Slap Shot** » Wed 11/04/09 6:39 am

mnwildfan79 wrote:The Rube. You even responded to the post he said it in.

Ah. I didn't notice that portion of his post and didn't quote it because I had no intention of alluding to Chilly running the D.

Handyman wrote:Shhhh...Slap Shot thinks he is the only one anyone is ever responding to

So you ignored the main part of my post for that? Great bit you got going, Handy. :dance:

by **Handyman** » Wed 11/04/09 10:35 am

I didn't ignore anything I just had no response. I have already said that the adjustment by Green Bay came after the Robison fumble. If the Vikes don't fumble the kickoff Green Bay doesn't score a TD in the game and it is a complete laugher. They took advantage for one quarter and the coaches adjusted after that. It isn't the same as what happened before. The Wikes didn't start giving up yardage because they changed their D up like they did in the other games, they stayed with the idea that the best bet to beat the Packers would be to have Rodgers either on his back or running for his life and it worked.

I can't speak to previous games, but the Vikes did everything they should have done this game in my opinion. There is no way to anticipate a fumble like that it happens the key is to not panic and just ride it out and answer back when you get your shot. Rogers had a couple good series because he felt less pressure but short of jailbreak blitzing or the Green Bay line being dead there wasn't much that could have been done at the time. (to be honest I was hoping they would stop blitzing for a bit and they did cut down a bit but that saftey kept coming)

In the end the D spent 10 minutes of the 3rd on the field...all that because of a moronic fumble.

by **Slap Shot** » Tue 11/10/09 1:51 am

Not trying to get ahead, but I didnt realize the Vikings hadn't won 2 division titles in a row since '77-'78. Obviously that still has to happen and what goes on beyond that remains to be seen, but I was surprised by that.

http://www.startribune.com/sports/vikin ... anchO7DiUr

The Vikings, who are looking to repeat as division champs for the first time since 1977-78, have a goal that goes well beyond just making a playoff appearance this year.

by **Bigbeer** » Tue 11/10/09 8:53 am

I've been telling all my Packer friends over here, "don't get too distraught...the Pack is 4-2 when they don't play the Vikings".

by **Hobey Baker** » Sun 11/15/09 10:44 pm

Weird Vikings victory today over the Lions. Vikes win 27-10 and roll up almost 500 yards offense. Turnovers, penalties and a terrible 4th down call prevented this game from being a blow out. Sidney Rice and AP were fantastic today. Favre was awesome again.

My one criticism: I am all for Chilli trying to bury a team but when you go for it on 4th down, you don't run Jeff Dugan up the middle. Put the ball in the hands of your playmakers: Favre, Peterson, Rice, Harvin and so on. I think Bevel and Chilli blew this call and just got too cute.

by **dxmnkd316** » Sun 11/15/09 10:48 pm

Hobey Baker wrote:Weird Vikings victory today over the Lions. Vikes win 27-10 and roll up almost 500 yards offense. Turnovers, penalties and a terrible 4th down call prevented this game from being a blow out. Sidney Rice and AP were fantastic today. Favre was awesome again.

My one criticism: I am all for Chilli trying to bury a team but when you go for it on 4th down, you don't run Jeff Dugan up the middle. Put the ball in the hands of your playmakers: Favre, Peterson, Rice, Harvin and so on. I think Bevel and Chilli blew this call and just got too cute.

I agree. That call was questionable at best. Still, you have to love what this team is doing, even if it is against the lions.

by **Six Hole** » Sun 11/15/09 11:15 pm

Hobey Baker wrote:Weird Vikings victory today over the Lions. Vikes win 27-10 and roll up almost 500 yards offense. Turnovers, penalties and a terrible 4th down call prevented this game from being a blow out. Sidney Rice and AP were fantastic today. Favre was awesome again.

My one criticism: I am all for Chilli trying to bury a team but when you go for it on 4th down, you don't run Jeff Dugan up the middle. Put the ball in the hands of your playmakers: Favre, Peterson, Rice, Harvin and so on. I think Bevel and Chilli blew this call and just got too cute.

I don't think handing to Dugan was the problem. Rather, running up the gut when the strength of the line is on the left -- and maybe even right -- is dumb when you have an undersized, inexperienced center against a decently large middle of the opposing D. Ultimately, the call didn't matter. Wonder if they would have played it against a professional team.

As an aside, this team is built incredibly well. Maybe I've pontificated about his previously, but the front office has done an insanely good job of building this team piece by piece. Number 4 is the cherry on top of this structurally sound sundae.

by **Ben** » Mon 11/16/09 12:18 am

dxmnkd316 wrote:
Hobey Baker wrote:Weird Vikings victory today over the Lions. Vikes win 27-10 and roll up almost 500 yards offense. Turnovers, penalties and a terrible 4th down call prevented this game from being a blow out. Sidney Rice and AP were fantastic today. Favre was awesome again.

My one criticism: I am all for Chilli trying to bury a team but when you go for it on 4th down, you don't run Jeff Dugan up the middle. Put the ball in the hands of your playmakers: Favre, Peterson, Rice, Harvin and so on. I think Bevel and Chilli blew this call and just got too cute.

I agree. That call was questionable at best. Still, you have to love what this team is doing, even if it is against the lions.

What this team is doing in spite of the head coach is incredible. We've got enough talent to start singing Going to Miami again.

by **dxmnkd316** » Mon 11/16/09 12:20 am

Ben wrote:
dxmnkd316 wrote:
Hobey Baker wrote:Weird Vikings victory today over the Lions. Vikes win 27-10 and roll up almost 500 yards offense. Turnovers, penalties and a terrible 4th down call prevented this game from being a blow out. Sidney Rice and AP were fantastic today. Favre was awesome again.

My one criticism: I am all for Chilli trying to bury a team but when you go for it on 4th down, you don't run Jeff Dugan up the middle. Put the ball in the hands of your playmakers: Favre, Peterson, Rice, Harvin and so on. I think Bevel and Chilli blew this call and just got too cute.

I agree. That call was questionable at best. Still, you have to love what this team is doing, even if it is against the lions.

What this team is doing in spite of the head coach is incredible. We've got enough talent to start singing Going to Miami again.

Lucia has the talent but can't coach. Childress can't coach but has the talent. Weird.

by **Handyman** » Mon 11/16/09 1:48 am

So when the team wins its because of the players, but when they lose it is because of the coach...do I have that right?

by **SouthTexGopher** » Mon 11/16/09 5:24 am

Handyman wrote:So when the team wins its because of the players, but when they lose it is because of the coach...do I have that right?

In the end, all things come back to the coach.

However...a coach can win based on talent alone. See: Jackson, Phil.

by **Hobey Baker** » Mon 11/16/09 10:40 am

Handyman wrote:So when the team wins its because of the players, but when they lose it is because of the coach...do I have that right?

Favre! He should get the title of "Director of (offensive) Football Operations"

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