Concerts

[h8red]

I am curious if you are allowed to bring in a digital camera to a concert at the Xcel center.

Does anyone know if you are legally allowed to do that or do you have to try and sneak one in?

[h8red]

I am curious if you are allowed to bring in a digital camera to a concert at the Xcel center.

Does anyone know if you are legally allowed to do that or do you have to try and sneak one in?

I'm kind of answering my own question in a way but I would like someone with experience to let me know what they know. On the Xcel center's website there's a page called "building policies...".

It states that you can't use flash & you can't use a camera that has a lens >2", and you can't use one that has recording capability. However, those written rules may not really apply.

Any thoughts?

[Bigbeer]

You're not supposed to record the concert either, but people do bootlegs. Wear baggy pants, stick it in a pocket, marvel at how many other people did it when you get inside.

[Zwak]

I won't believe this until I am actually in the arena watching them.

http://www.billboard.com/bbcom/news/art ... 1003622049

[Thirty-Four]

I won't believe this until I am actually in the arena watching them.

http://www.billboard.com/bbcom/news/art ... 1003622049

I would've thought that rehab might have helped Eddie realize that having his 16 year old on a world tour is Bad Idea Jeans.

Hopefully Val puts the kibosh on that and Michael Anthony takes his rightful place on David Lee Roth's right.

Anyone who's seen Diamond Dave solo understands the importance of Anthony to his style. Without him, he's like pop without the fizz.

[stan_5150]

I won't believe this until I am actually in the arena watching them.

http://www.billboard.com/bbcom/news/art ... 1003622049

I would've thought that rehab might have helped Eddie realize that having his 16 year old on a world tour is Bad Idea Jeans.

Hopefully Val puts the kibosh on that and Michael Anthony takes his rightful place on David Lee Roth's right.

Anyone who's seen Diamond Dave solo understands the importance of Anthony to his style. Without him, he's like pop without the fizz.

I won't see them without Mike.

[Thirty-Four]

I won't believe this until I am actually in the arena watching them.

http://www.billboard.com/bbcom/news/art ... 1003622049

I would've thought that rehab might have helped Eddie realize that having his 16 year old on a world tour is Bad Idea Jeans.

Hopefully Val puts the kibosh on that and Michael Anthony takes his rightful place on David Lee Roth's right.

Anyone who's seen Diamond Dave solo understands the importance of Anthony to his style. Without him, he's like pop without the fizz.

I won't see them without Mike.

Either you've seen DLR solo, or you are a traditionalist.

I'm a Roth-era guy, but if they were hellbent on not paying Anthony, it'd be better to try it with Hagar who A. Has a more powerful, rich, commanding voice (both live and on recordings) and B. It's not the traditional Van Halen anyway and fans might be more forgiving.

[stan_5150]

I won't believe this until I am actually in the arena watching them.

http://www.billboard.com/bbcom/news/art ... 1003622049

I would've thought that rehab might have helped Eddie realize that having his 16 year old on a world tour is Bad Idea Jeans.

Hopefully Val puts the kibosh on that and Michael Anthony takes his rightful place on David Lee Roth's right.

Anyone who's seen Diamond Dave solo understands the importance of Anthony to his style. Without him, he's like pop without the fizz.

I won't see them without Mike.

Either you've seen DLR solo, or you are a traditionalist.

I'm a Roth-era guy, but if they were hellbent on not paying Anthony, it'd be better to try it with Hagar who A. Has a more powerful, rich, commanding voice (both live and on recordings) and B. It's not the traditional Van Halen anyway and fans might be more forgiving.

I've never seen Dave with the band but it seems like this tour is more about sideshow then the actual show and I don't want to deal with that. Without Mike you lose a HUGE vocal dynamic that I don't think that Wolfie can attain (I haven't heard him sing but IMHO there are big shoes to fill there).

Seriously, if I'm in the car singing along to a VH tune, 9 out of 10 times I'll be humming along with Mike's harmonies and not the lead vocals. I'd miss that live. Now maybe Wolfgang has the pipes and blows Mike out of the water. The jury is still out on that.

[h8red]

You're not supposed to record the concert either, but people do bootlegs. Wear baggy pants, stick it in a pocket, marvel at how many other people did it when you get inside.

Thanks for the response. I figured as much. Back when we used to go to concerts alot we never cared about taking pictures- unless some hottie felt like giving us a show (if you know what I mean) Hubba Hubba

[Armadillo]

I won't believe this until I am actually in the arena watching them.

http://www.billboard.com/bbcom/news/art ... 1003622049

I would've thought that rehab might have helped Eddie realize that having his 16 year old on a world tour is Bad Idea Jeans.

Hopefully Val puts the kibosh on that and Michael Anthony takes his rightful place on David Lee Roth's right.

Anyone who's seen Diamond Dave solo understands the importance of Anthony to his style. Without him, he's like pop without the fizz.

I won't see them without Mike.

Either you've seen DLR solo, or you are a traditionalist.

I'm a Roth-era guy, but if they were hellbent on not paying Anthony, it'd be better to try it with Hagar who A. Has a more powerful, rich, commanding voice (both live and on recordings) and B. It's not the traditional Van Halen anyway and fans might be more forgiving.

I've never seen Dave with the band but it seems like this tour is more about sideshow then the actual show and I don't want to deal with that. Without Mike you lose a HUGE vocal dynamic that I don't think that Wolfie can attain (I haven't heard him sing but IMHO there are big shoes to fill there).

Seriously, if I'm in the car singing along to a VH tune, 9 out of 10 times I'll be humming along with Mike's harmonies and not the lead vocals. I'd miss that live. Now maybe Wolfgang has the pipes and blows Mike out of the water. The jury is still out on that.

Here's a trivia question that I don't know the answer to: has there been another band that has gone on three consecutive tours with three different lead singers? Gary Cherone in 1998, Sammy Hagar in 2004, and now David Lee Roth in 2007. Sheesh!

I'll go to the concert when (if?) they come here, if only for the "slow motion train wreck" feeling.

[Thirty-Four]

I won't believe this until I am actually in the arena watching them.

http://www.billboard.com/bbcom/news/art ... 1003622049

I would've thought that rehab might have helped Eddie realize that having his 16 year old on a world tour is Bad Idea Jeans.

Hopefully Val puts the kibosh on that and Michael Anthony takes his rightful place on David Lee Roth's right.

Anyone who's seen Diamond Dave solo understands the importance of Anthony to his style. Without him, he's like pop without the fizz.

I won't see them without Mike.

Either you've seen DLR solo, or you are a traditionalist.

I'm a Roth-era guy, but if they were hellbent on not paying Anthony, it'd be better to try it with Hagar who A. Has a more powerful, rich, commanding voice (both live and on recordings) and B. It's not the traditional Van Halen anyway and fans might be more forgiving.

I've never seen Dave with the band but it seems like this tour is more about sideshow then the actual show and I don't want to deal with that. Without Mike you lose a HUGE vocal dynamic that I don't think that Wolfie can attain (I haven't heard him sing but IMHO there are big shoes to fill there).

Seriously, if I'm in the car singing along to a VH tune, 9 out of 10 times I'll be humming along with Mike's harmonies and not the lead vocals. I'd miss that live. Now maybe Wolfgang has the pipes and blows Mike out of the water. The jury is still out on that.

Here's a trivia question that I don't know the answer to: has there been another band that has gone on three consecutive tours with three different lead singers? Gary Cherone in 1998, Sammy Hagar in 2004, and now David Lee Roth in 2007. Sheesh!

I'll go to the concert when (if?) they come here, if only for the "slow motion train wreck" feeling.

Maybe Journey? Steve Perry, Steve Augeri and Jeff Scott Soto?

King Crimson (best known as a launching pad for progressive musicians) did it. They had a revolving door in the late 60's early 70's. Greg Lake, Boz Burrell and John Wetton.

[Slap Shot]

Woflie doesn't have to know how to sing - most likely they're going to hire backup singers to aid in the overall sound. It's like seeing Pink Floyd without Roger Waters and Roger Waters solo.

I've seen DLR 3x live now and each show was a blast. He played almost nothing from his solo career, he repeatedly talked to the crowd between songs, and most importantly he had an awesome backing band each time. Of course I want to see VH with Michael Anthony but after kicking msyelf for years for refusing to see Pink Floyd for the Delicate Sounds tour just because Roger Waters wasn't in the band (a feeling that didn't go away until I went to London 2 years ago) I'm not making that same mistake with VH should I get the chance - 3/4 of the band or not.

[stan_5150]

Woflie doesn't have to know how to sing - most likely they're going to hire backup singers to aid in the overall sound. It's like seeing Pink Floyd without Roger Waters and Roger Waters solo.

In that case hire Uncle Mike to be a backup singer.

[The Rube]

You're not supposed to record the concert either, but people do bootlegs. Wear baggy pants, stick it in a pocket, marvel at how many other people did it when you get inside.

While I do not condone any bootlegging/etc, when in line, take out your keys, wallet/moneyclip, smokes, etc. Basically empty your pockets and hold thier contents except for whatever you are trying to sneak in, and raise your hands as you approach the frisk-check.

Many times the security will see that you are "helping them do their job easier" and barely frisk you.

[adam_777]

Haven't been here for awhile, lots to comment on.

For the Zep reunion, there is a half decent possibility of a one off reunion show sometime in the next year, as for the rumoured tour at this point all signs point to no. Jimmy and Robert both have flat out denied it, not to mention Robert will be touring with Alison Krauss in support of his new duet album with her, so that rules out any chance of an '08 tour anyways.

For bootlegging, getting in audio recording devices or digital cameras are easy as pie. For A robert Plant show I attended I just walked to the door with audio recording device in my hand, guy didn't even think to check. Most shows I've been to did a quick look over and let me in, some had unthorough pat downs, other than that very easy to get stuff in, worst case scenario...crotch it. As for video cameras, this is much trickier if there is any kind of pat down you may be screwed, unless you have a very small video camera. The treatment from security varies by venue and artist. For instance, I've never been patted down at White River Amphitheatre or GM Place, But the one show I went to at the Pacific Coliseum I was frisked bordering on violation, haha. So it all depends. Good luck if you do try it.

As for Van Halen, I'll go see it, if Michael Anthony isn't there that sucks, But there isn't much I can do. The problem with Van Halen is, if I don't go to this tour, they may never tour with DLR again, they just can't hold it together. I hope Wolfie is up to code.

[stan_5150]

The problem with Van Halen is, if I don't go to this tour, they may never tour with DLR again, they just can't hold it together.

For some reason I have serious doubts that this tour makes it through 1/2 the dates. I hope it does, I'm just sayin....

[Zwak]

I may just have to get tix to this.

http://www.twincities.com/allheadlines/ ... ck_check=1

[adam_777]

For some reason I have serious doubts that this tour makes it through 1/2 the dates. I hope it does, I'm just sayin....

Well then I should have to hope Vancouver is on the first leg

[Greyeagle]

I may just have to get tix to this.

http://www.twincities.com/allheadlines/ ... ck_check=1

That should be a good show & I'd love to go.....but given our tuition costs this year I don't think we will be able to. Rats.

[Thirty-Four]

I may just have to get tix to this.

http://www.twincities.com/allheadlines/ ... ck_check=1

I like Bruce, but a friend of mine had a great line about him: " Hey, it's another Bruce Springsteen song about some hard work he once saw someone do!"

I don't know if he was repeating a line, or if he came up with it, but I laughed hard for a long time!

[Frontroguy]

Springsteen would be a good show to see, if he has the E Streeters.

Just more energy....

Lots of comments on the politcalness of him. Frankly, I could not give a rats butt about someones political leanings.

[Reg Dunlop]

Springsteen would be a good show to see, if he has the E Streeters.

Just more energy....

Lots of comments on the politcalness of him. Frankly, I could not give a rats butt about someones political leanings.

I couldn't either unless they use their stage as a pulpit...which some do. Just shut up and play the music!

[jk]

Just got back into town from Rush's Red Rocks show Wednesday. It was a terrific trip. People attending a Rush concert are usually big fans (and old), so the crowd is there to enjoy the show and everyone is very nice to their concert neighbors. Combine that with the fact that people go to Red Rocks in a great mood, and it made for 9,400 people (plus three onstage) having a great night.

[Zwak]

Just got back into town from Rush's Red Rocks show Wednesday. It was a terrific trip. People attending a Rush concert are usually big fans (and old), so the crowd is there to enjoy the show and everyone is very nice to their concert neighbors. Combine that with the fact that people go to Red Rocks in a great mood, and it made for 9,400 people (plus three onstage) having a great night.

It also made for one incredibly jealous Thirty-Four I bet.

[The Rube]

Springsteen would be a good show to see, if he has the E Streeters.

Just more energy....

Lots of comments on the politcalness of him. Frankly, I could not give a rats butt about someones political leanings.

I couldn't either unless they use their stage as a pulpit...which some do. Just shut up and play the music!

Agreed. I LOVE Pearl Jam, but you know what? Just play music.

[Hobey Baker]

The sad thing is that most musicians / hollywood actors don't know what they are talking about when it comes to politics!! Shut up and sing!!!!!

For those who haven't seen Bruce, do it! He is by far the best live show around. Bruce and the E street band are very special in a live performance. They put others to shame with the energy and length of their shows.

[The Rube]

The sad thing is that most musicians / hollywood actors don't know what they are talking about when it comes to politics!! Shut up and sing!!!!!

For those who haven't seen Bruce, do it! He is by far the best live show around. Bruce and the E street band are very special in a live performance. They put others to shame with the energy and length of their shows.

I'd enter the aforementioned Pearl Jam in that contest (dunno if they'd win, but they'd definitely compete). Also, Metallica (pre-Load/Re-Load), and AC/DC.

[Hobey Baker]

The sad thing is that most musicians / hollywood actors don't know what they are talking about when it comes to politics!! Shut up and sing!!!!!

For those who haven't seen Bruce, do it! He is by far the best live show around. Bruce and the E street band are very special in a live performance. They put others to shame with the energy and length of their shows.

I'd enter the aforementioned Pearl Jam in that contest (dunno if they'd win, but they'd definitely compete). Also, Metallica (pre-Load/Re-Load), and AC/DC.

It is personal choice / favorite music, but I have seen them all and nobody comes close to Bruce and his live shows, especially with the E Street behind him. He works the crowd with chatter and stories. His interaction with Clarence and Lil Steven are always fun. Lets not forget that he usually plays for 3 hours without a warm up band. He is the king of the live show and everyone else is shooting for second place.

[The Rube]

The sad thing is that most musicians / hollywood actors don't know what they are talking about when it comes to politics!! Shut up and sing!!!!!

For those who haven't seen Bruce, do it! He is by far the best live show around. Bruce and the E street band are very special in a live performance. They put others to shame with the energy and length of their shows.

I'd enter the aforementioned Pearl Jam in that contest (dunno if they'd win, but they'd definitely compete). Also, Metallica (pre-Load/Re-Load), and AC/DC.

It is personal choice / favorite music, but I have seen them all and nobody comes close to Bruce and his live shows, especially with the E Street behind him. He works the crowd with chatter and stories. His interaction with Clarence and Lil Steven are always fun. Lets not forget that he usually plays for 3 hours without a warm up band. He is the king of the live show and everyone else is shooting for second place.

I guess the important fact that we are missing is that certain bands DO appreciate their audience, and will put on a helluva show for them.

It's less common these days, I think.

[jk]

I guess the important fact that we are missing is that certain bands DO appreciate their audience, and will put on a helluva show for them.

It's less common these days, I think.

It was in evidence Wednesday in Colorado. 8:00 start, 11:15 finish, with a 20 minute intermission.

[4 Head]

Anyone else out there listening to local artist Tim Mahoney? If not check his site out....I have followed his band for a few years now and have seen him play locally in concert 3-4 times. His music is real and he is just missing the boat at "making it big" His new CD is unbelieveable......

http://www.timmahoney.com

[Hammy]

With Diamond Dave and Wolfgang Van Halen in the line up.

Van Halen to play Target Center

[Thirty-Four]

With Diamond Dave and Wolfgang Van Halen in the line up.

Van Halen to play Target Center

I feel the weakening of my resolve... must not purchase tickets without Michael Anthony in the lineup...

If the tickets are under the $100 mark, I'll probably take a posse down 10/24... I can't refuse Eddie and Dave back together.

[Hammy]

I will be going. Michael Anthony is important..... but he is not THAT important.

[stan_5150]

FWIW.....

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[Superstar]

Okay, I just got back from the Collective Soul/Counting Crows concert at Midway and let me just say, the Crows are like a Nascar race...you have to appreciate it a bit before-hand, but, once you see it live...OMG...it is AWESOME!! Adam put on a great show!!! Was anyone else out there? Wow...great show!!

[DISHMAN]

Okay, I just got back from the Collective Soul/Counting Crows concert at Midway and let me just say, the Crows are like a Nascar race...you have to appreciate it a bit before-hand, but, once you see it live...OMG...it is AWESOME!! Adam put on a great show!!! Was anyone else out there? Wow...great show!!

Saw the Counting Crows in the late 90's touring with the Wallflowers...The Crows didn't really impress me much. Glad to hear it was a good time at the concert.

Anyone seen Def Leppard?? Im attending the concert on Monday at State Fair

[momo]

Okay, I just got back from the Collective Soul/Counting Crows concert at Midway and let me just say, the Crows are like a Nascar race...you have to appreciate it a bit before-hand, but, once you see it live...OMG...it is AWESOME!! Adam put on a great show!!! Was anyone else out there? Wow...great show!!

Saw the Counting Crows in the late 90's touring with the Wallflowers...The Crows didn't really impress me much. Glad to hear it was a good time at the concert.

Anyone seen Def Leppard?? Im attending the concert on Monday at State Fair

five timess, awesome

[Superstar]

Dish!!! I'll be at the Def Leppard show tomorrow night!!! Hopefully I'll see you there!!! I think our tickets are on the main floor right center.

[Snowman]

Okay, I just got back from the Collective Soul/Counting Crows concert at Midway and let me just say, the Crows are like a Nascar race...you have to appreciate it a bit before-hand, but, once you see it live...OMG...it is AWESOME!! Adam put on a great show!!! Was anyone else out there? Wow...great show!!

I went to the show. I was a bit disappointed that Live canceled, but overall I thought the show was pretty good. As this was my 5th CC show, I agree that Adam put on a great performance.

Outside of Cowboys, I wasn't a big fan of the Crow's new songs but maybe it will grow on me after the CD is released in November. I am looking forward to their new 2 disc set of greatest hits coming out next month.

Collective Soul was solid as I didn't realize that I knew so many of their songs.

Chris Hockey's band .....well let's just say I admire the fact they give all of their money to charity.

[erbear04]

going to Ben Harper at the Orpheum tonight and really psyched about it... seeing him in small venues like that hasn't happened for years and it's going to be awesome!

[DISHMAN]

Def Leppard, well worth the price of Admission

[Bigbeer]

Saw Greg Brown at Big Top Chautauqua in Bayfield Sunday night. He's a very interesting musician and the Big Top is a great place to see a show. I'm gonna try to find someone to see next year there. G. Love played there earlier this year.

BTW A blues guitarist from Iowa named Joe Price opened for him. He plays around Minnesota alot and was very entertaining. Highly recommended.

[Superstar]

Def Leppard, well worth the price of Admission

I'd say Def Leppard, Styx, and Foreigner all together were well worth the price of admission.

[Thirty-Four]

Rush played to a packed house at Xcel last night, non-musical highlights included specially produced segments of "South Park" and a cool bit by Bob and Doug McKenzie.

They played nine songs off their newest release "Snakes and Arrows" plus the expected fan favorites. Great show!

[Doctor Dre]

Rush was indeed an awesome show! They sounded great!

While I like "Snakes and Arrows", I could have done with fewer songs off that release and some more classics.

I went with a buddy who is a casual Rush fan, and he was unfamiliar with much of the set list.

"Passage to Bangkok" was the HIGHlight of the night for me.

Well worth the $$$.

We'll see if DLR, EVH and Wolfie can come through next month.

[Frontroguy]

Rush played to a packed house at Xcel last night, non-musical highlights included specially produced segments of "South Park" and a cool bit by Bob and Doug McKenzie.

They played nine songs off their newest release "Snakes and Arrows" plus the expected fan favorites. Great show!

Did they play "Take Off?"?????

[Thirty-Four]

Rush played to a packed house at Xcel last night, non-musical highlights included specially produced segments of "South Park" and a cool bit by Bob and Doug McKenzie.

They played nine songs off their newest release "Snakes and Arrows" plus the expected fan favorites. Great show!

Did they play "Take Off?"?????

Take off ya hoser!

[Frontroguy]

Rush played to a packed house at Xcel last night, non-musical highlights included specially produced segments of "South Park" and a cool bit by Bob and Doug McKenzie.

They played nine songs off their newest release "Snakes and Arrows" plus the expected fan favorites. Great show!

Did they play "Take Off?"?????

Take off ya hoser!

Five Bucks is Five bucks!

[Thirty-Four]

Rush played to a packed house at Xcel last night, non-musical highlights included specially produced segments of "South Park" and a cool bit by Bob and Doug McKenzie.

They played nine songs off their newest release "Snakes and Arrows" plus the expected fan favorites. Great show!

Did they play "Take Off?"?????

Take off ya hoser!

Five Bucks is Five bucks!

Actually, when Bob and Doug came on screen I was really hoping Ged might do a few bars of the song. After all, it's the highest-charting single he's ever sung on!

[Fr. Julich]

Rush played to a packed house at Xcel last night, non-musical highlights included specially produced segments of "South Park" and a cool bit by Bob and Doug McKenzie.

They played nine songs off their newest release "Snakes and Arrows" plus the expected fan favorites. Great show!

Flippin' fantastic show as usual. Loved the review in today's Pioneer Press with the comment that the males in the audience were screaming during Peart's drum solo like girls at an N'Sync show.

[WPoS]

still glowing in the afterglo of that concert...

Loved the South Park and B&D bits...wish I could get that on DVD somehow...

W

[jk]

W,

I expect you will get your wish for a DVD. I think they will want to put one out because the set list was so different from the last two tours.

The Red Rocks show seemed to have a special chemistry between the band and a super-amped up crowd, but other than that, this show was fantastic. It makes for a truly enjoyable evening, and I have no problem enriching that band with the cost of tickets, shirts, CDs and DVDs.

[Zwak]

Led Zeppelin is reuniting for a onetime gig on Nov. 26th in London. It is a tribute to the the late Atlantic Records founder Ahmet Ertegun

http://www.startribune.com/457/story/1418267.html

The Who's Pete Townshend, Bill Wyman, Foreigner and young Scottish singer Paolo Nutini — the last British act Ertegun signed — will also play at the tribute concert.

Foreigner?

[Hammy]

Saw some clips of Van Halen's rehearsals and it sounds good. Even the backing vocals sound fine. The music sounds great. Hearing some of those old VH tunes is awesome. Can't wait til they get here.

[Aldy]

A good start for the day - secured a couple of tickets to Springsteen and hoping my Gopher hockey tickets will be in the mail when I get home tonight!

[Thirty-Four]

Saw some clips of Van Halen's rehearsals and it sounds good. Even the backing vocals sound fine. The music sounds great. Hearing some of those old VH tunes is awesome. Can't wait til they get here.

Maybe it's the musician/entertainer in me, but neither I or my musician friends are impressed yet. DLR is not showing any energy (I mean Jagger, Rod Stewart, even Tom Jones to name a few are faaaar older and show way more pep on stage...), he looks bored. I also question how that voice is holding out. As long as you don't mind cheating notes and not having the breath to finish (not to mention his days of piercing screams and yells appear gone...) lines, you're going to be happy.

I still hold out hope that Dave is holding back, but I'll wait until I hear and see something that suggests he's back to at least 75%. At this point the cover band The Atomic Punks would be a better show... [/b]

[Slap Shot]

I've seen DLR two times live - once as recently as last year. There was nothing subdued about either performance and his voice was just fine.

[Frontroguy]

Led Zeppelin is reuniting for a onetime gig on Nov. 26th in London. It is a tribute to the the late Atlantic Records founder Ahmet Ertegun

http://www.startribune.com/457/story/1418267.html

The Who's Pete Townshend, Bill Wyman, Foreigner and young Scottish singer Paolo Nutini — the last British act Ertegun signed — will also play at the tribute concert.

Foreigner?

I think they were on Atlantic when they were 1st signed, and were a big deal. Probably made the dude (and them) a lot of cash....

[Thirty-Four]

I've seen DLR two times live - once as recently as last year. There was nothing subdued about either performance and his voice was just fine.

Ok, but from the YouTube stuff, he is quite subdued.

As far back as the 1996 reunion, Dave had lost quite a bit off his "fastball".

I don't mind people going for nostalgia and a chance to catch a great group of the past (I might end up being one of them!), but pretending that this is the DLR at his best is laughable. I've got ten plus bootlegs of Van Halen with DLR spanning 1978-1984, and folks, this isn't that Dave, vocally. This isn't even "Skyscraper" DLR.

This reminds me of Jordan's return with the Wizards when ESPN was claiming he "still had it", yeah, a 30 point 50% shooter turns into a 19 point 40% shooter with no legs, yeah, he ain't lost a thing!

In closing, if Dave is able to put together some stage moves and patches his voice to at least the last reunion levels (me wise magic and can't get this stuff no more), I'll shell out the big bucks.

[Slap Shot]

Ok, but from the YouTube stuff, he is quite subdued.

What's the YouTube stuff of - actual shows or simply rehearsals?

[Thirty-Four]

Ok, but from the YouTube stuff, he is quite subdued.

What's the YouTube stuff of - actual shows or simply rehearsals?

Rehearsals with media and celeb presence galore. You can witness Diamond Dave asking Zakk Wylde to depart the stage in a profane manner, it's good times!

The idea of the rehearsals was to "prove" that this new formation of Van Halen was ready to roll...

[stan_5150]

Ok, but from the YouTube stuff, he is quite subdued.

What's the YouTube stuff of - actual shows or simply rehearsals?

Rehersals.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2YaIC7pX1ho
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sAzexbU- ... ed&search=

[Hammy]

Ok, but from the YouTube stuff, he is quite subdued.

What's the YouTube stuff of - actual shows or simply rehearsals?

Rehearsals. You can't expect a rehearsal to be on the same energy level as a show with 15,000 people in the arena. From what I read, these rehearsals were very loose. I guess DLR even spent time telling the crowd what would be happening during a "normal" show in between songs, etc.

I was commenting on the sound, guitar, and overall vocals. I wasn't expecting the energy of a loose rehearsal (even one with some people in the audience) show to be great.

And I have played guitar for over 20 years so I think I have enough knowledge to judge. Not exactly a novice musician here.

[stan_5150]

Ok, but from the YouTube stuff, he is quite subdued.

What's the YouTube stuff of - actual shows or simply rehearsals?

Rehearsals. You can't expect a rehearsal to be on the same energy level as a show with 15,000 people in the arena. From what I read, these rehearsals were very loose. I guess DLR even spent time telling the crowd what would be happening during a "normal" show in between songs, etc.

I was commenting on the sound, guitar, and overall vocals. I wasn't expecting the energy of a loose rehearsal (even one with some people in the audience) show to be great.

And I have played guitar for over 20 years so I think I have enough knowledge to judge. Not exactly a novice musician here.

Back in the day I 've read that they have rented out huge "rooms" to set up the stage, get the back-line worked out, find sweet spots etc to work out the kinks. I don't see this as being any different.

I'm going to have to steal my amp back from my neighbor....

[Thirty-Four]

Ok, but from the YouTube stuff, he is quite subdued.

What's the YouTube stuff of - actual shows or simply rehearsals?

Rehearsals. You can't expect a rehearsal to be on the same energy level as a show with 15,000 people in the arena. From what I read, these rehearsals were very loose. I guess DLR even spent time telling the crowd what would be happening during a "normal" show in between songs, etc.

I was commenting on the sound, guitar, and overall vocals. I wasn't expecting the energy of a loose rehearsal (even one with some people in the audience) show to be great.

And I have played guitar for over 20 years so I think I have enough knowledge to judge. Not exactly a novice musician here.

My questions are on DLR's voice and lack of stage energy, the band sounds fine, as expected, they were on tour as recently as 2004.

My point is this: Many people seem to want to delude themselves about DLR's voice, and that's ok... I'm just not buying it right now with what I've witnessed. I mean the guy is not finishing anything vocally, it sounds like bad lounge...

[Hammy]

To be fair, DLR set the bar high in terms of stage presence and energy. I don't know if anybody at his age could live up to what he used to do 25 years ago. There is no doubt he isn't going to be quite the showman he was back in the group's prime.

As far as his voice goes, it realistically probably won't be what it once was and I am OK with that. Mainly because I have yet to find see an "older" singer who truly measures up to their own prime (in terms of live performance). I have seen groups like the Stones, Aerosmith, etc. playing live in recent years and they all slip a bit. Usually because their vocal endurance isn't what it once was and the recovery time from one show to the next takes longer. Maybe they compensate by conserving energy on stage, etc.

I have seen comments from people who were actually there (not just judging on a few less than ideal sounding clips) and they were pretty positive about it. And the way I look at it, even if there is a bit of "slippage", those old VH songs at 80% are still better than just about everything that comes out today at 100%.

Some of those songs have had dust on them for too long.

[stan_5150]

those old VH songs at 80% are still better than just about everything that comes out today at 100%.

[Thirty-Four]

To be fair, DLR set the bar high in terms of stage presence and energy. I don't know if anybody at his age could live up to what he used to do 25 years ago. There is no doubt he isn't going to be quite the showman he was back in the group's prime.

As far as his voice goes, it realistically probably won't be what it once was and I am OK with that. Mainly because I have yet to find see "older" singer who truly measures up to their prime (in terms of live performance). I have seen groups like the Stones, Aerosmith, etc. playing live in recent years and they all slip a bit. Usually because their vocal endurance isn't what it once was and the recovery time from one show to the next takes longer. Maybe they compensate by conserving energy on stage, etc.

I have seen comments from people who were actually there (not just judging on a few less than ideal sounding clips) and they were pretty positive about it. And the way I look at it, even if there is a bit of "slippage", those old VH songs at 80% are still better than just about everything that comes out today at 100%.

Some of those songs have had dust on them for too long.

Nobody expects the mid-air splits and jump kicks, but he better be able to do more than shuffle around and shake maracas...

Geddy Lee, Ronnie James Dio, Rob Halford (Judas Priest), Geoff Tate (Queensryche), are just a few of the many performers I've seen recently that have nailed songs from twenty-five years ago with aplomb. I'm not sure DLR took enough care of his voice to have anything left at 52...

Paint it however you'd like, he needs to improve by quite a bit to get VH to that 80% marker.

On the brightside, I thought Wolfie was fine, his backing vox were even decent.

[Frontroguy]

To be fair, DLR set the bar high in terms of stage presence and energy. I don't know if anybody at his age could live up to what he used to do 25 years ago. There is no doubt he isn't going to be quite the showman he was back in the group's prime.

As far as his voice goes, it realistically probably won't be what it once was and I am OK with that. Mainly because I have yet to find see "older" singer who truly measures up to their prime (in terms of live performance). I have seen groups like the Stones, Aerosmith, etc. playing live in recent years and they all slip a bit. Usually because their vocal endurance isn't what it once was and the recovery time from one show to the next takes longer. Maybe they compensate by conserving energy on stage, etc.

I have seen comments from people who were actually there (not just judging on a few less than ideal sounding clips) and they were pretty positive about it. And the way I look at it, even if there is a bit of "slippage", those old VH songs at 80% are still better than just about everything that comes out today at 100%.

Some of those songs have had dust on them for too long.

Nobody expects the mid-air splits and jump kicks, but he better be able to do more than shuffle around and shake maracas...

Geddy Lee, Ronnie James Dio, Rob Halford (Judas Priest), Geoff Tate (Queensryche), are just a few of the many performers I've seen recently that have nailed songs from twenty-five years ago with aplomb. I'm not sure DLR took enough care of his voice to have anything left at 52...

Paint it however you'd like, he needs to improve by quite a bit to get VH to that 80% marker.

On the brightside, I thought Wolfie was fine, his backing vox were even decent.

So, are you saying that DLR, is the musical equivalent of Torii Hunter?

[Thirty-Four]

To be fair, DLR set the bar high in terms of stage presence and energy. I don't know if anybody at his age could live up to what he used to do 25 years ago. There is no doubt he isn't going to be quite the showman he was back in the group's prime.

As far as his voice goes, it realistically probably won't be what it once was and I am OK with that. Mainly because I have yet to find see "older" singer who truly measures up to their prime (in terms of live performance). I have seen groups like the Stones, Aerosmith, etc. playing live in recent years and they all slip a bit. Usually because their vocal endurance isn't what it once was and the recovery time from one show to the next takes longer. Maybe they compensate by conserving energy on stage, etc.

I have seen comments from people who were actually there (not just judging on a few less than ideal sounding clips) and they were pretty positive about it. And the way I look at it, even if there is a bit of "slippage", those old VH songs at 80% are still better than just about everything that comes out today at 100%.

Some of those songs have had dust on them for too long.

Nobody expects the mid-air splits and jump kicks, but he better be able to do more than shuffle around and shake maracas...

Geddy Lee, Ronnie James Dio, Rob Halford (Judas Priest), Geoff Tate (Queensryche), are just a few of the many performers I've seen recently that have nailed songs from twenty-five years ago with aplomb. I'm not sure DLR took enough care of his voice to have anything left at 52...

Paint it however you'd like, he needs to improve by quite a bit to get VH to that 80% marker.

On the brightside, I thought Wolfie was fine, his backing vox were even decent.

So, are you saying that DLR, is the musical equivalent of Torii Hunter?

No, but I wouldn't pay either of them their current asking price either!

Gimme a rimshot, I'm hot today!

[Zwak]

...I've seen recently that have nailed songs from twenty-five years ago with aplomb

All right...who got you the Word-a-Day calendar?

[Thirty-Four]

...I've seen recently that have nailed songs from twenty-five years ago with aplomb

All right...who got you the Word-a-Day calendar?

If I trusted my spelling I'd let those big words come right out!

I don't know what I'd do without spellcheck at work... That's something I don't want to cogitate!

[dock]

Even the backing vocals sound fine.

I hope they did, though thru the years, VH was known to "fly in" the backing vocals from studio recordings mixed with live music. I've heard it on some of their live recordings and Sammy eluded to it in an interview and he wasn't just being bitter. As a former big VH fan, this did bug me slightly. Maybe they are back to playing it all live?

[Hammy]

Geddy Lee, Ronnie James Dio, Rob Halford (Judas Priest), Geoff Tate (Queensryche), are just a few of the many performers I've seen recently that have nailed songs from twenty-five years ago with aplomb.

Nailing a few songs is one thing. Nailing an entire concert to the same level as their prime is another. Not to mention, the singers you mentioned are mostly the "less active" types who aren't running around and going to get out of breath as easily during a show. Much easier to do a show that way.

Paint it however you'd like, he needs to improve by quite a bit to get VH to that 80% marker.

I saw them in person in their original form back in the day and I thought the rehearsal footage actually measured up to my current expectations (even with the less than ideal sound quality of the You Tube clips). I'll take my experience in that regard as a better barometer.

I certainly am not expecting an equal performance to the pre-1984 days but I think it will be satisfying enough to my standards. Especially from a pure musical stand point.