Committed Recruits Update Thread

[Davey J.]

Holl will be the best freshman recruit for the Gophers. Bjugstad will be softer than Wheeler, Marshall will be a non factor in the WCHA. Holl is the grittiest skilled d-man the Gophers have gone after in a while.

Gritty is certainly NOT a word I would use to describe Holl. Granted, I have only seen him on TV 4 times this year...but he pretty much looked like a typical Lucia defensman to me...good skater, nice hands, good vision, too cute, and a positional defender...not an in-your-face, make you think twice about crossing the blueline or camping out in front of the net or crashing our goalie type.
I hope someone tells me (and proves me) wrong about him! From what I was able to see, he looks like the kind of defensman who is nice to have as long as he is paired with someone who has more sandpaper in his game. I see him as more of a David Fischer type...I just hope he has a brain in his head!

[g_manpucker]

Holl will be the best freshman recruit for the Gophers. Bjugstad will be softer than Wheeler, Marshall will be a non factor in the WCHA. Holl is the grittiest skilled d-man the Gophers have gone after in a while.

Gritty is certainly NOT a word I would use to describe Holl. Granted, I have only seen him on TV 4 times this year...but he pretty much looked like a typical Lucia defensman to me...good skater, nice hands, good vision, too cute, and a positional defender...not an in-your-face, make you think twice about crossing the blueline or camping out in front of the net or crashing our goalie type.
I hope someone tells me (and proves me) wrong about him! From what I was able to see, he looks like the kind of defensman who is nice to have as long as he is paired with someone who has more sandpaper in his game. I see him as more of a David Fischer type...I just hope he has a brain in his head!

I would agree with this, I too have only seen Holl on t.v. and online so I am sure that there are better judges of Holl's game than me but gritty isn't the first word that comes to mind. I believe he is a talented player and like Davey J said I see him in the same mold as Fischer, Fairchild, and Ness....I hope to be proven wrong though.

[Hammy]

The reality is there won't be a perfect player that comes in all the time. An immediate impact guy that is 6'3, always plays physical, skates like the wind, and has top notch offensive skills. If there was such a thing, we might see him here for a year. College hockey is about players growing/developing (which is where things needs to improve more in the last few seasons... which is why I believe we need some coaching staff changes. If not the head coach, then some assistant changes). We aren't supposed to see a well polished finished product in every way, shape, form as a freshman.

Holl reminds me a bit of Paul Martin. Not a guy that is going to pound on opponents but usually pretty smart with how he plays defense. He is going to play the game more intellectually. Holl got a very high ACT score and is smart. Generally plays angles well, uses his stick well, etc. Maybe he develops more of an edge as he matures (it's not like physical play is all that tough to amp up... it is abut attitude more than anything). Even if he doesn't, I don't have a big issue with it. I think some people focus more attention on the defense than they should in regard to current problems. When this team gets to three goals, it is highly successful. That tells me that the area that needs more of a turnaround is getting a few more pucks in the net... something I think we'll do a better job of next season.

I think some people need to recognize that there will be trade offs if you want to go with the big banger type a little more. What you gain in physical play is potentially what you lose in some other aspect. Maybe you give up a few less goals around the front of the net but you give up more goals because of turnovers, etc. We have seen some bigger, more physical players come into the league in recent years that were not very mobile and could get burned. There are trade offs. I don't disagree we need to amp the physical play up (although I see that more as a team thing as opposed to specific positions).

[Cardinal]

Lucia said on his radio show Monday night that they are bringing in three, possibly four forwards for next fall. He also named Haula and Condon by name as two of those four, so if you also include Larson and Serratore, who I believe are both out of options in terms of playing another year of juniors, there's your four right there without taking Bjugstad and Ambroz into account.

I would assume that Youso, Walters, Gardiner, and Isackson are all destined for juniors if Lucia's "three, possibly four" comment was the truth, though I don't know how it can be when you crunch the numbers.

Seems like Schroeder is a given to be gone by this weekend, and it would not be surprising, given the way things have gone around here over the last four seasons, for another player or two to leave prior to the start of next season. But, until that shakes out, here's how things look I think:

Forwards - 17
Barriball - Senior
White - Senior
Hoeffel - Senior
Cepis - Senior
Hansen - Junior
N. Larson - Junior
Matson - Junior
Miller - Junior
Sacchetti - Junior
Birkholz - Sophomore
Budish - Sophomore
Condon - Freshman
Haula - Freshman
Bjugstad - Freshman
Ambroz - Freshman
J. Larson - Freshman
Serratore - Freshman

Defense - 8
Fairchild - Senior
Wehrs - Senior
Ness - Junior
Leddy - Sophomore
Helgeson - Sophomore
Alt - Freshman
Schmidt - Freshman
Parenteau - Freshman

[BlueBandit24]

Lucia said on his radio show Monday night that they are bringing in three, possibly four forwards for next fall. He also named Haula and Condon by name as two of those four, so if you also include Larson and Serratore, who I believe are both out of options in terms of playing another year of juniors, there's your four right there without taking Bjugstad and Ambroz into account.

I would assume that Youso, Walters, Gardiner, and Isackson are all destined for juniors if Lucia's "three, possibly four" comment was the truth, though I don't know how it can be when you crunch the numbers.

Yea, I can't imagine how they'd only bring in four forwards. It seems like six is the minimum for next year. Lose four, add six, and you come up with the 17 forwards you mentioned. That would get the roster size up to 28, exactly where tDon wants it for next season.

[F Da Sue]

Just wish Martin could have made his mind up sooner on coming back after the 03' championship. He's one of my all time favorites but his late decision is the reason Matt Carle went to Denver instead of the U. Not saying he would have been the difference for another title, but he would have looked good in the Maroon and Gold.

[Hammy]

I'd say there is absolutely no way Bjugstad or Ambroz won't be here next fall. You don't have two kids accelerate to see them play a year of junior hockey afterward (particularly Ambroz since he already has a few years under his belt in the USHL). I agree with Cardinal's breakdown. That seems like the most likely scenario from what I hear.

[stuscrew]

didnt want to navigate through past posts, can someone enlighten me a little on J Larson?

I do like the mixup of getting more older experienced junior players...seems that is the trend don is looking for...

[ScoobyDoo]

Nice list by Cardinal but Lucia wants to get to 28? I'm pretty sure I read that. So, who are the other 3? Seems Lucia has made some conflicting statements.

[thedude]

Nice list by Cardinal but Lucia wants to get to 28? I'm pretty sure I read that. So, who are the other 3? Seems Lucia has made some conflicting statements.

Goalies.

[Hammy]

Nice list by Cardinal but Lucia wants to get to 28? I'm pretty sure I read that. So, who are the other 3? Seems Lucia has made some conflicting statements.

Three goalies

[ScoobyDoo]

Nice list by Cardinal but Lucia wants to get to 28? I'm pretty sure I read that. So, who are the other 3? Seems Lucia has made some conflicting statements.

Three goalies

{sigh} My bad. I feel dumb now. Thanks.

[streakygopher]

I'd say there is absolutely no way Bjugstad or Ambroz won't be here next fall. You don't have two kids accelerate to see them play a year of junior hockey afterward (particularly Ambroz since he already has a few years under his belt in the USHL). I agree with Cardinal's breakdown. That seems like the most likely scenario from what I hear.

I know someone who has recently coached Ambroz, and he thinks he is just the tonic the gophers need...big, strong, and works his a$$ off...oh, and talented.

[Davey J.]

The reality is there won't be a perfect player that comes in all the time. An immediate impact guy that is 6'3, always plays physical, skates like the wind, and has top notch offensive skills. If there was such a thing, we might see him here for a year. College hockey is about players growing/developing (which is where things needs to improve more in the last few seasons... which is why I believe we need some coaching staff changes. If not the head coach, then some assistant changes). We aren't supposed to see a well polished finished product in every way, shape, form as a freshman.

Holl reminds me a bit of Paul Martin. Not a guy that is going to pound on opponents but usually pretty smart with how he plays defense. He is going to play the game more intellectually. Holl got a very high ACT score and is smart. Generally plays angles well, uses his stick well, etc. Maybe he develops more of an edge as he matures (it's not like physical play is all that tough to amp up... it is abut attitude more than anything). Even if he doesn't, I don't have a big issue with it. I think some people focus more attention on the defense than they should in regard to current problems. When this team gets to three goals, it is highly successful. That tells me that the area that needs more of a turnaround is getting a few more pucks in the net... something I think we'll do a better job of next season.

I think some people need to recognize that there will be trade offs if you want to go with the big banger type a little more. What you gain in physical play is potentially what you lose in some other aspect. Maybe you give up a few less goals around the front of the net but you give up more goals because of turnovers, etc. We have seen some bigger, more physical players come into the league in recent years that were not very mobile and could get burned. There are trade offs. I don't disagree we need to amp the physical play up (although I see that more as a team thing as opposed to specific positions).

Maybe I came across as too harsh on my assessment of Holl...I was merely trying to point out that I don't think anyone can expect him to bring a lot of grit to the blueline. And I see the comparison with Paul Martin...similar games. Of course there is a trade off, which is why I think we all want different types of defensemen...it's just lately there have been way too many of the small, offensive types and they haven't been complimented enough with the gritty types

As far grit being able to develop an edge...possible...but I don't think that's very likely or realistic....players are what they are (for the most part). It will depend on his psychological makeup as well as his willingness to take on a different role than he has had up to now...Lucia/Hill haven't exactly been very good lately at selling players on taking on different roles than they had played in high school or juniors lately.

[BlueBandit24]

I'm loving the mix of talent and grit in these next two classes. We have some guys with high-end offensive potential (Haula, Bjugstad) guys who've proven they can score at a high level and play with a bit of an edge (Walters, Ambroz) as well as guys who should be hard-working, lunch-pail guys (Larson, Serratore). We're adding some size on the blue-line without sacrificing much in the puck-moving department.

Of course, we've seen guys fail to live up to the hype once they reach campus the last few years, so that's obviously a concern. But I don't think we've recently seen a group with this combination of production, maturity, and skill. A lot of depth in this class and most of these guys should be on campus for three or four years.

[Hammy]

As far grit being able to develop an edge...possible...but I don't think that's very likely or realistic....players are what they are (for the most part). It will depend on his psychological makeup as well as his willingness to take on a different role than he has had up to now...

I'm not saying attitude change always happens. Just that it is one of the more adaptable things that a person can control. When it comes to God given abilities (skating, etc), we all know those areas aren't something that you can dramatically change once you get to this level of the sport. In most cases when they hit college, what you see is what you will get when it comes to genetic gifts. They can improve to degrees... but you rarely turn somebody at this age that has slow boots into Marian Gaborik. But attitude is something that can be altered quickly.

[Ursa Major]

The reality is there won't be a perfect player that comes in all the time. An immediate impact guy that is 6'3, always plays physical, skates like the wind, and has top notch offensive skills. If there was such a thing, we might see him here for a year. College hockey is about players growing/developing (which is where things needs to improve more in the last few seasons... which is why I believe we need some coaching staff changes. If not the head coach, then some assistant changes). We aren't supposed to see a well polished finished product in every way, shape, form as a freshman.

Holl reminds me a bit of Paul Martin. Not a guy that is going to pound on opponents but usually pretty smart with how he plays defense. He is going to play the game more intellectually. Holl got a very high ACT score and is smart. Generally plays angles well, uses his stick well, etc. Maybe he develops more of an edge as he matures (it's not like physical play is all that tough to amp up... it is abut attitude more than anything). Even if he doesn't, I don't have a big issue with it. I think some people focus more attention on the defense than they should in regard to current problems. When this team gets to three goals, it is highly successful. That tells me that the area that needs more of a turnaround is getting a few more pucks in the net... something I think we'll do a better job of next season.

I think some people need to recognize that there will be trade offs if you want to go with the big banger type a little more. What you gain in physical play is potentially what you lose in some other aspect. Maybe you give up a few less goals around the front of the net but you give up more goals because of turnovers, etc. We have seen some bigger, more physical players come into the league in recent years that were not very mobile and could get burned. There are trade offs. I don't disagree we need to amp the physical play up (although I see that more as a team thing as opposed to specific positions).

Holl, Bjugstad, and Gardiner need some time in Juniors before they play for the Gophers. Bjugstad did not help his stock in the state tournament. Blaine did not win a game. He won't be a first rounder any more and will slip to the second round watch and see. He is getting a reputation for being a lazy player in big games which is not a good way to go with the draft coming up. Lucia should revisit his decision to bring him in next year and send him to Juniors like he did with past players who have not stepped up in big games.

[Ursa Major]

With the recent committments from the two players (Serratorre and now this other guy), who does that leave out and who is coming in? I know there has been a lot of talk of players going to the USHL, well here is a chance to bump some folks there for an extra season.

Hammy stated in the "off-season" thread that both Gardiner and Holl are likely headed to the USHL. That should leave Bjugstad and Alt as the only guys coming straight from high school.

Both Alt and Bjugstad should go to Juniors for at least one year. Each are too young to play against 21, and 22 year olds present in the UND, Denver, and UMD programs.

[ScoobyDoo]

With the recent committments from the two players (Serratorre and now this other guy), who does that leave out and who is coming in? I know there has been a lot of talk of players going to the USHL, well here is a chance to bump some folks there for an extra season.

Hammy stated in the "off-season" thread that both Gardiner and Holl are likely headed to the USHL. That should leave Bjugstad and Alt as the only guys coming straight from high school.

Both Alt and Bjugstad should go to Juniors for at least one year. Each are too young to play against 21, and 22 year olds present in the UND, Denver, and UMD programs.

Well, if they do get brought up it won't matter much cause there supposedly is going to be competition for playing time with 17 forwards and 8 defensemen on the roster so if they can't compete they won't play.

Hopefully 8 defense is enough. Have a couple of injuries and you're back in the soup. 5 extra forwards is nice.

[Larsen]

With the recent committments from the two players (Serratorre and now this other guy), who does that leave out and who is coming in? I know there has been a lot of talk of players going to the USHL, well here is a chance to bump some folks there for an extra season.

Hammy stated in the "off-season" thread that both Gardiner and Holl are likely headed to the USHL. That should leave Bjugstad and Alt as the only guys coming straight from high school.

Both Alt and Bjugstad should go to Juniors for at least one year. Each are too young to play against 21, and 22 year olds present in the UND, Denver, and UMD programs.

Well, if they do get brought up it won't matter much cause there supposedly is going to be competition for playing time with 17 forwards and 8 defensemen on the roster so if they can't compete they won't play.

I hope you're right. Hopefully Lucia has the seeds to bench the highly talented underclassmen if the play isn't where it should be. It doesn't send much of a message to bench an under performing 3rd liner, an this team needs to be sent a clear, strong message.

[ScoobyDoo]

I hope you're right. Hopefully Lucia has the seeds to bench the highly talented underclassmen if the play isn't where it should be. It doesn't send much of a message to bench an under performing 3rd liner, an this team needs to be sent a clear, strong message.

I hope I'm right too. I along with many others have been confused by the seeming "lack" of competition from kids who have ridden the pine. But, we're not there at practice. Hopefully there is so much competition for icetime next year that it's hard to set a lineup sheet.

[Greyeagle]

This has probaby been discussed but I find at Alt's quote in the strib is very encouraging. I have suspected (and heard) for quite a while the old man was pushing football really hard despite the kid wanting to play hockey, this seems to confirm it,

From the strib:

Alt announced on Sunday that he will play for the Gophers hockey team this fall. Alt, who quarterbacked the Raiders to the 2009 Class 5A state football championship, was weighing a football offer from Iowa. His father, John, played at Iowa.

"It was a pretty hard-fought battle with him to let me play hockey," Mark Alt said. "But on my visit to Minnesota, he met with the coaches and got his questions answered. He's all for it now."

[g_manpucker]

This has probaby been discussed but I find at Alt's quote in the strib is very encouraging. I have suspected (and heard) for quite a while the old man was pushing football really hard despite the kid wanting to play hockey, this seems to confirm it,

From the strib:

Alt announced on Sunday that he will play for the Gophers hockey team this fall. Alt, who quarterbacked the Raiders to the 2009 Class 5A state football championship, was weighing a football offer from Iowa. His father, John, played at Iowa.

"It was a pretty hard-fought battle with him to let me play hockey," Mark Alt said. "But on my visit to Minnesota, he met with the coaches and got his questions answered. He's all for it now."

Evidently the dad was pushing football pretty hard and Mark wanted to play hockey. I wonder who had to kiss daddy's to get him to change his mind?

[Greyeagle]

This has probaby been discussed but I find at Alt's quote in the strib is very encouraging. I have suspected (and heard) for quite a while the old man was pushing football really hard despite the kid wanting to play hockey, this seems to confirm it,

From the strib:

Alt announced on Sunday that he will play for the Gophers hockey team this fall. Alt, who quarterbacked the Raiders to the 2009 Class 5A state football championship, was weighing a football offer from Iowa. His father, John, played at Iowa.

"It was a pretty hard-fought battle with him to let me play hockey," Mark Alt said. "But on my visit to Minnesota, he met with the coaches and got his questions answered. He's all for it now."

Evidently the dad was pushing football pretty hard and Mark wanted to play hockey. I wonder who had to kiss daddy's to get him to change his mind?

My bet is on the kid.

[BlueBandit24]

Maybe I don't fully understand the situation since I'm not a parent, but I find it kind of disturbing that he had to convince his dad to let him play hockey. I'd hope that decision was Mark's alone -- I can understand giving your two cents but ultimately it's up the kid.

[Hammy]

Holl, Bjugstad, and Gardiner need some time in Juniors before they play for the Gophers. Bjugstad did not help his stock in the state tournament. Blaine did not win a game. He won't be a first rounder any more and will slip to the second round watch and see. He is getting a reputation for being a lazy player in big games which is not a good way to go with the draft coming up. Lucia should revisit his decision to bring him in next year and send him to Juniors like he did with past players who have not stepped up in big games.

I'd be more than happy with Holl and Gardiner playing junior hockey next year and I do believe that is what will happen. I am particularly happy that Holl would be going there as I think he has real star potential with a year of junior.

I can see far more of a case made for Bjugstad to come in next season as he has the skill level (particularly the shot) to make the jump. Yes, he'll need to fill out physically (like most 18 year olds do)... but the choice is bring him in now and get an extra year of eligibility out of him that we probably wouldn't get if he played a year of junior. I can see why they would take their chances next year since the need to increase the goal scoring is there. One thing nobody can question is the kid can bury the puck. With that reach and his shot, he could be a nasty threat on the power play. The good thing for him is he will not be the #1 focus of the other team next season.

You are very narrow in scope if you think pro scouts only consider two games in assessing his future as a prospect. They pretty much watch him all season and they know what he can do. A one or two game stretch is not going to break a prospect. He pretty much singlehandly put Blaine in the state tourney with his 3rd period performance in the section final. Is that not a "big game"? Also, how can you consider a kid "lazy" when he is getting double shifted? Whether he ends up in the 1st or 2nd round is splitting hairs anyway.

[Hammy]

Maybe I don't fully understand the situation since I'm not a parent, but I find it kind of disturbing that he had to convince his dad to let him play hockey. I'd hope that decision was Mark's alone -- I can understand giving your two cents but ultimately it's up the kid.

Yeah, I have to admit that it made me feel sorry for the kid that his dad appeared to be pushing him in a direction that maybe wasn't his first choice. I'd think you'd want to let your son choose the sport he wants to pursue and leave it at that. But I guess better late than never in terms of the father letting his son's wishes win out.

[Greyeagle]

Maybe I don't fully understand the situation since I'm not a parent, but I find it kind of disturbing that he had to convince his dad to let him play hockey. I'd hope that decision was Mark's alone -- I can understand giving your two cents but ultimately it's up the kid.

Yeah, I have to admit that it made me feel sorry for the kid that his dad appeared to be pushing him in a direction that maybe wasn't his first choice. I'd think you'd want to let your son choose the sport he wants to pursue and leave it at that. But I guess better late than never in terms of the father letting his son's wishes win out.

Sadly I think it the world of parents Big Alt is the rule and not the exception.
Regardless of how Mark Alt arrived at his decision I am happy he stuck to his guns and first love (hockey).

[Gopher Fan n Sue Land]

Maybe I don't fully understand the situation since I'm not a parent, but I find it kind of disturbing that he had to convince his dad to let him play hockey. I'd hope that decision was Mark's alone -- I can understand giving your two cents but ultimately it's up the kid.

Yeah, I have to admit that it made me feel sorry for the kid that his dad appeared to be pushing him in a direction that maybe wasn't his first choice. I'd think you'd want to let your son choose the sport he wants to pursue and leave it at that. But I guess better late than never in terms of the father letting his son's wishes win out.

Sadly I think it the world of parents Big Alt is the rule and not the exception.
Regardless of how Mark Alt arrived at his decision I am happy he stuck to his guns and first love (hockey).

Having been a father for only 2 years, I'm clearly no expert, but I try to model my own father in that I allow my son to determine his own interests and will continue to do that. I think all fathers should pick up Andre Agassi's new book. Whether you like the guy or not, he really shows what it's like for a kid that has an over-demanding father.

[Ursa Major]

Holl, Bjugstad, and Gardiner need some time in Juniors before they play for the Gophers. Bjugstad did not help his stock in the state tournament. Blaine did not win a game. He won't be a first rounder any more and will slip to the second round watch and see. He is getting a reputation for being a lazy player in big games which is not a good way to go with the draft coming up. Lucia should revisit his decision to bring him in next year and send him to Juniors like he did with past players who have not stepped up in big games.

I'd be more than happy with Holl and Gardiner playing junior hockey next year and I do believe that is what will happen. I am particularly happy that Holl would be going there as I think he has real star potential with a year of junior.

I can see far more of a case made for Bjugstad to come in next season as he has the skill level (particularly the shot) to make the jump. Yes, he'll need to fill out physically (like most 18 year olds do)... but the choice is bring him in now and get an extra year of eligibility out of him that we probably wouldn't get if he played a year of junior. I can see why they would take their chances next year since the need to increase the goal scoring is there. One thing nobody can question is the kid can bury the puck. With that reach and his shot, he could be a nasty threat on the power play. The good thing for him is he will not be the #1 focus of the other team next season.

You are very narrow in scope if you think pro scouts only consider two games in assessing his future as a prospect. They pretty much watch him all season and they know what he can do. A one or two game stretch is not going to break a prospect. He pretty much singlehandly put Blaine in the state tourney with his 3rd period performance in the section final. Is that not a "big game"? Also, how can you consider a kid "lazy" when he is getting double shifted? Whether he ends up in the 1st or 2nd round is splitting hairs anyway.

Oh I forgot to mention he will only be eighteen next year when he arrives to play in the WCHA that is filled with 21 and 22 year old hockey players. Lucia needs to raise the standards for incoming players and stop surcoming to the pressure of loosing a "super" high school player. Remember Aaron Ness, Jordan Schroeder, David Fisher(Mr. Hockey), Patrick White, and Nick Leddy were "super" high school players and look what their point total production was this year. None of these kids were ready for play in the WCHA. Each of them should have spent a year in Juniors playing with older more experienced players to learn the skills older players offer. It is a huge jump to go from High School to a WCHA college hockey level and this coaching staff continues to make the same mistakes year after year. This is a major reason the program has slipped in stature in the last three years. The coaches keep looking for the quick fix the next incoming class will offer instead of considering the long term affect taking High School players will have on the program. The WCHA college level should not be treated as a stopping off ground for the NHL it should be treated as a level worthy of highly skilled, experienced players. I am tired of watching "super" high school players underachieve at the college level.

[Hammy]

I am tired of watching "super" high school players underachieve at the college level.

It's not that I don't understand the argument. In an ideal world, all of our guys would play a year of junior. But I don't see anything wrong with making the exception. Particularly if the player has some traits that fits a need right away.

If you look at next year's class, the vast majority of it has guys that have a year or two of junior hockey experience. I'd also suggest you take a harder look at this past year's roster... you'll see most of them had a year or two of juniors experience too. Which makes me wonder if you are in touch with the amount it has been done here in recent years. Your remarks really only fit a small number of guys.

[Esox]

Holl, Bjugstad, and Gardiner need some time in Juniors before they play for the Gophers. Bjugstad did not help his stock in the state tournament. Blaine did not win a game. He won't be a first rounder any more and will slip to the second round watch and see. He is getting a reputation for being a lazy player in big games which is not a good way to go with the draft coming up. Lucia should revisit his decision to bring him in next year and send him to Juniors like he did with past players who have not stepped up in big games.

I'd be more than happy with Holl and Gardiner playing junior hockey next year and I do believe that is what will happen. I am particularly happy that Holl would be going there as I think he has real star potential with a year of junior.

I can see far more of a case made for Bjugstad to come in next season as he has the skill level (particularly the shot) to make the jump. Yes, he'll need to fill out physically (like most 18 year olds do)... but the choice is bring him in now and get an extra year of eligibility out of him that we probably wouldn't get if he played a year of junior. I can see why they would take their chances next year since the need to increase the goal scoring is there. One thing nobody can question is the kid can bury the puck. With that reach and his shot, he could be a nasty threat on the power play. The good thing for him is he will not be the #1 focus of the other team next season.

You are very narrow in scope if you think pro scouts only consider two games in assessing his future as a prospect. They pretty much watch him all season and they know what he can do. A one or two game stretch is not going to break a prospect. He pretty much singlehandly put Blaine in the state tourney with his 3rd period performance in the section final. Is that not a "big game"? Also, how can you consider a kid "lazy" when he is getting double shifted? Whether he ends up in the 1st or 2nd round is splitting hairs anyway.

Oh I forgot to mention he will only be eighteen next year when he arrives to play in the WCHA that is filled with 21 and 22 year old hockey players. Lucia needs to raise the standards for incoming players and stop surcoming to the pressure of loosing a "super" high school player. Remember Aaron Ness, Jordan Schroeder, David Fisher(Mr. Hockey), Patrick White, and Nick Leddy were "super" high school players and look what their point total production was this year. None of these kids were ready for play in the WCHA. Each of them should have spent a year in Juniors playing with older more experienced players to learn the skills older players offer. It is a huge jump to go from High School to a WCHA college hockey level and this coaching staff continues to make the same mistakes year after year. This is a major reason the program has slipped in stature in the last three years. The coaches keep looking for the quick fix the next incoming class will offer instead of considering the long term affect taking High School players will have on the program. The WCHA college level should not be treated as a stopping off ground for the NHL it should be treated as a level worthy of highly skilled, experienced players. I am tired of watching "super" high school players underachieve at the college level.

Schroeder had 40 some points last year, he was ready and he showed it...........he regressed for some reason this season (Stoa gone and who knows what else), Leddy didn't post great point totals but I'm not complaining about his season, he did very well by me.........you can take those two off the your list, some others........I agree with you.

[Gopher Fan n Sue Land]

Schroeder had 40 some points last year, he was ready and he showed it...........he regressed for some reason this season (Stoa gone and who knows what else), Leddy didn't post great point totals but I'm not complaining about his season, he did very well by me.........you can take those two off the your list, some others........I agree with you.

I would add that Leddy's numbers (as is often the case with D-men) relies on forwards that can finish. We didn't have that this year. Leddy belongs in the WCHA as did Schroeder. I don't think you can compare Patrick White's potential when he was a Freshman with Bjugstad's.

[Ursa Major]

I am tired of watching "super" high school players underachieve at the college level.

It's not that I don't understand the argument. In an ideal world, all of our guys would play a year of junior. But I don't see anything wrong with making the exception. Particularly if the player has some traits that fits a need right away.

If you look at next year's class, the vast majority of it has guys that have a year or two of junior hockey experience. I'd also suggest you take a harder look at this past year's roster... you'll see most of them had a year or two of juniors experience too. Which makes me wonder if you are in touch with the amount it has been done here in recent years. Your remarks really only fit a small number of guys.

OK assuming I am out of touch, Schroeder led the team with 28 pts this was the lowest leading point output since 1962. To what do you attribute this low output? This is in a state where hockey players begin playing at age 2. This is a disgrace.

[BlueBandit24]

I think it's pretty simple: Some can make the jump (Leddy, McDonagh) and some can't (White, Fischer). Most here agree that we'd like to see more of a wait and see approach with some fringe prospects, which we have to an extent in my opinion; but there's still a ton of quality college prospects in the high school ranks, many of whom have the talent to step right into the WCHA. We're not the only school using 18 year olds...programs who attract high-level talent are generally younger.

[Gopher Fan n Sue Land]

We have a good mix of older Junior kids and HS kids coming in next year. And, to your point BB24, those "fringe prospects" are going to juniors next season - Gardiner et. al. So Ursa, I think you are seeing the changes you want.

[Gopher Puck]

Lucia would not have recruited Wilcox as a junior in high school to be a third-string goaltender. I'd like to see him in the USHL next year as a senior (so he'll have two years of USHL experience) to see what he can do with better teammates and against better competition, but most scouts seem to feel he has excellent potential.

As for Joel Vinneau, he hasn't committed yet. I'd guess he's waiting to see what happens with Kangas. If he bolts, I could see him committing. Otherwise, he'll probably go to Michigan.

I never thought of that. I also think he'll be able to play a lot better with a better D core around him. The one at SSP isn't that great. He also has to compete in the same conference as Hill STA and Matamedi. But yes he does have some potential if not a lot of it. After reading your post I agree completly with you.

[Gopher Puck]

Yeah, I think Wilcox has the potential to be better, but we are expecting him to come in right away and make a difference, he will either come in as a younger goalie and hopefully get chances to develop or play in the USHL for a few years. With Kangas and Patterson here now, plus the potenial of the canadian goalie, there is a lot that can still happen for the G position.

There is no way they will bring in a goalie that hasn't played junior hockey for at least one season. Bank on that

I wouldn't expect him to. I think he will be in the USHL for a few years, it all depends on Kangas/Patterson and if this Canadian signs (which depends on the forementioned goalies).

From what I've heard, Adam picked up some bad habits playing this year. These were either from lack of focus or frustration with the team. Either way, I think a year or two in the USHL will do him a world of good before he come to the Gophers.

Yah the D core around him isn't that great and the Offense is much better. I think he will a very soild goalie with a better D core around him in the USHL.

[streakygopher]

Maybe I don't fully understand the situation since I'm not a parent, but I find it kind of disturbing that he had to convince his dad to let him play hockey. I'd hope that decision was Mark's alone -- I can understand giving your two cents but ultimately it's up the kid.

Yeah, I have to admit that it made me feel sorry for the kid that his dad appeared to be pushing him in a direction that maybe wasn't his first choice. I'd think you'd want to let your son choose the sport he wants to pursue and leave it at that. But I guess better late than never in terms of the father letting his son's wishes win out.

Sadly I think it the world of parents Big Alt is the rule and not the exception.
Regardless of how Mark Alt arrived at his decision I am happy he stuck to his guns and first love (hockey).

Oy, does this mean more of the Loftquist-O'Brien father-behind-the-scenes thing?

[trixR4kids]

So is Walters coming in next year or playing more USHL?

[BlueBandit24]

So is Walters coming in next year or playing more USHL?

One more year in the USHL appears likely, barring any surprise forward departures.

[Hammy]

I am tired of watching "super" high school players underachieve at the college level.

It's not that I don't understand the argument. In an ideal world, all of our guys would play a year of junior. But I don't see anything wrong with making the exception. Particularly if the player has some traits that fits a need right away.

If you look at next year's class, the vast majority of it has guys that have a year or two of junior hockey experience. I'd also suggest you take a harder look at this past year's roster... you'll see most of them had a year or two of juniors experience too. Which makes me wonder if you are in touch with the amount it has been done here in recent years. Your remarks really only fit a small number of guys.

OK assuming I am out of touch, Schroeder led the team with 28 pts this was the lowest leading point output since 1962. To what do you attribute this low output? This is in a state where hockey players begin playing at age 2. This is a disgrace.

If you look on the next season thread in Gopher Hockey, I gave some opinions in there.
 
The point is you are dwelling on an area that isn't backed up a lot when you look at the present squad or the large majority of the incoming recruits. A pretty healthy percentage of them are (or will have) junior hockey experience.
 
I could get on board more with your point if there was more cases of players like this on the team. Six guys on past season's team did not have a full year of junior under their belt when they came here. We started the year with something like 27 players on the roster. In other words, it's not like a huge amount of the team fits the description you are talking about.
 
Look at next year's class... if we go by the projection Cardinal made (which I agree with is likely) 6 of the 8 have junior hockey experience of a year or more. The straight from HS hockey without junior experience really isn't as common as you are acting.

[FargoSiouxHater]

Has anyone heard/know if Marshall will be playing his senior year at Mahtomedi or going to the USHL???

[dryfly]

I hope you're right. Hopefully Lucia has the seeds to bench the highly talented underclassmen if the play isn't where it should be. It doesn't send much of a message to bench an under performing 3rd liner, an this team needs to be sent a clear, strong message.

I wish he practiced that philosophy with goalies more.

[dryfly]

BTW Ursa Major - I agree that all those 18 y/o kids would benefit from a year or even two in the juniors - no doubt about it. I think the problem the Gophers have is they don't have other good options at this point - they don't have other older blue chippers lined up to come in. Some okay players but nowhere near enough to come close to filling the holes so they either line up not-so-good older players remaining OR bring in the kids and hope they grow up fast.

There is a saying in business that if you didn't make your numbers this year its because you were screwing off last year - that is even more true in recruiting. The stable has some good looking young colts in it - precious few studs.

[Norm]

Lucia said on his radio show Monday night that they are bringing in three, possibly four forwards for next fall. He also named Haula and Condon by name as two of those four, so if you also include Larson and Serratore, who I believe are both out of options in terms of playing another year of juniors, there's your four right there without taking Bjugstad and Ambroz into account.

I would assume that Youso, Walters, Gardiner, and Isackson are all destined for juniors if Lucia's "three, possibly four" comment was the truth, though I don't know how it can be when you crunch the numbers.

Yea, I can't imagine how they'd only bring in four forwards. It seems like six is the minimum for next year. Lose four, add six, and you come up with the 17 forwards you mentioned. That would get the roster size up to 28, exactly where tDon wants it for next season.

So with 28 on the roster, which 6 will transfer out due to lack of playing time?

[dryfly]

So with 28 on the roster, which 6 will transfer out due to lack of playing time?

Let me guess... the ones who consistently don't play?

[Hammy]

Has anyone heard/know if Marshall will be playing his senior year at Mahtomedi or going to the USHL???

Pretty sure it is still TBD.

[FargoSiouxHater]

So with 28 on the roster, which 6 will transfer out due to lack of playing time?

Let me guess... the ones who consistently don't play?

As previously stated, several guys like Miller and the recently signed Parenteau and Larson are kids that grew up dreaming to play here and wear the 'M'. IMO, lack of playing time won't send them out the door. Granted, they weren't blue-chip prospects coming in, so there options are that great, but they will stick around and fight/bust their butts every minute to try and get some ice time. How this will effect some of the others, remains to be seen.

[Slap Shot]

Perhaps Alt didn't deserve some of the comments made about his commitment to hockey.

[FargoSiouxHater]

This has probaby been discussed but I find at Alt's quote in the strib is very encouraging. I have suspected (and heard) for quite a while the old man was pushing football really hard despite the kid wanting to play hockey, this seems to confirm it,

From the strib:

Alt announced on Sunday that he will play for the Gophers hockey team this fall. Alt, who quarterbacked the Raiders to the 2009 Class 5A state football championship, was weighing a football offer from Iowa. His father, John, played at Iowa.

"It was a pretty hard-fought battle with him to let me play hockey," Mark Alt said. "But on my visit to Minnesota, he met with the coaches and got his questions answered. He's all for it now."

I completely agree with you here GE. Mulitple posters have been extremely critical on Alt, myself included. I think a major point that was overlooked was that he is just a 17-18 year old kid whose father is trying to persuade him to go to Iowa. It's unfortunate that this appears to be the case in this situation, but reassuring that he wanted to be a Gopher all along. I know I'll be one to welcome him to the program with open arms and I think he'll be a key addition to the blue line.

[Hammy]

I think Alt is owed an apology by those that bagged on him for not making a decision earlier and for questioning his commitment to hockey. I think it's clear that a lot was involved in the decision making process and that deep down he wanted to ge a Gopher.

I disagree that he is owed anything. He created that perception through his own remarks. In his interview with Sansevere just a month ago he said:

I'm going to wait until the NHL draft and see where I end up. If I go in the top two rounds or pretty high in the draft, it'll be hockey, no question. If I drop a few rounds, I might have to look at football. I still have the Iowa offer, which I'm considering.

Those weren't words put into his mouth by critics. It is easy for him to revise things now about what he really wanted to do but he certainly made remarks on his own that led to criticism

[Ursa Major]

I am tired of watching "super" high school players underachieve at the college level.

It's not that I don't understand the argument. In an ideal world, all of our guys would play a year of junior. But I don't see anything wrong with making the exception. Particularly if the player has some traits that fits a need right away.

If you look at next year's class, the vast majority of it has guys that have a year or two of junior hockey experience. I'd also suggest you take a harder look at this past year's roster... you'll see most of them had a year or two of juniors experience too. Which makes me wonder if you are in touch with the amount it has been done here in recent years. Your remarks really only fit a small number of guys.

OK assuming I am out of touch, Schroeder led the team with 28 pts this was the lowest leading point output since 1962. To what do you attribute this low output? This is in a state where hockey players begin playing at age 2. This is a disgrace.

If you look on the next season thread in Gopher Hockey, I gave some opinions in there.
 
The point is you are dwelling on an area that isn't backed up a lot when you look at the present squad or the large majority of the incoming recruits. A pretty healthy percentage of them are (or will have) junior hockey experience.
 
I could get on board more with your point if there was more cases of players like this on the team. Six guys on past season's team did not have a full year of junior under their belt when they came here. We started the year with something like 27 players on the roster. In other words, it's not like a huge amount of the team fits the description you are talking about.
 
Look at next year's class... if we go by the projection Cardinal made (which I agree with is likely) 6 of the 8 have junior hockey experience of a year or more. The straight from HS hockey without junior experience really isn't as common as you are acting.

I was asking what you attribute the low point output to this year, not to be on board with my assessment. The rest of the team did not step up and play well when Bariball and Matson went down and this was a mystery to me. There are some capable scorers on this team excluding Bariball and Matson. This might have been a contributing factor.

[Slap Shot]

Hammy - he was getting bagged on before that comment was made and clearly his position in the draft had nothing to do with it since he's already made it clear he's committed. He's no angel but some of the remarks were premature to be sure.

[5 O.T.]

I think Alt is owed an apology by those that bagged on him for not making a decision earlier and for questioning his commitment to hockey. I think it's clear that a lot was involved in the decision making process and that deep down he wanted to ge a Gopher.

I disagree that he is owed anything. He created that perception through his own remarks. In his interview with Sansevere just a month ago he said:

I'm going to wait until the NHL draft and see where I end up. If I go in the top two rounds or pretty high in the draft, it'll be hockey, no question. If I drop a few rounds, I might have to look at football. I still have the Iowa offer, which I'm considering.

Those weren't words put into his mouth by critics. It is easy for him to revise things now about what he really wanted to do but he certainly made remarks on his own that led to criticism

Wasn't that interview kind of a cut and paste type of presentation? If I remember correctly it was kind of a people magazine type of interview that oftentimes is massaged to convey something other than what is said or how it was said.

I especially don't put much stock in a guy like Sansevere because like Reusse, he tends to be a guy that wants to stir the pot. Considering how pathetic newspaper readership is nowadays guys like Sansavere have a motivation to present an interview like this in such a way as to try and get as many eyeballs as possible. By either shading or twisting Alt's words he can certainly create a different impression compared to how Alt may have really felt or how he might have said something in response to a question.

Happy to have him on board.

[Hammy]

Hammy - he was getting bagged on before that comment was made and clearly his position in the draft had nothing to do with it since he's already made it clear he's committed. He's no angel but some of the remarks were premature to be sure.

I guess I am not sure why people should feel sorry when he was wishy washy about it and his statements back that up. The Sansevere quote was just an example. It's not like that was the only thing he ever did to make people have such a perception prior to that.

Yes, he ultimately decided on hockey (which was the wise decision since the chance for making money are better for him) but let's not act like there was no reason to criticize when it was ongoing. The comments were fair given his own words/actions.

[g_manpucker]

I was someone who was a fan of both sports teams he was deciding on and I wanted an answer so he would get off the fence. To me it made way more sense for him to play hockey and contribute right away rather than ride the pine at Iowa and the only contributions might be just being a good teammate until your time MIGHT come to see some time on the field. Besides the only offer Iowa gave to him was a grayshirt offer which isn't a big stamp of confidence from them on wanting his services.

[Slap Shot]

Hammy - he was getting bagged on before that comment was made and clearly his position in the draft had nothing to do with it since he's already made it clear he's committed. He's no angel but some of the remarks were premature to be sure.

I guess I am not sure why people should feel sorry when he was wishy washy about it and his statements back that up. The Sansevere quote was just an example. It's not like that was the only thing he ever did to make people have such a perception prior to that.

I'm not asking anyone to feel sorry for him I'm saying he shouldn't have been ripped on given he was just kid with a tough decision to make. Far be it for someone his age to think long and hard about making the right decision - a lot of adults could learn from that.

[dryfly]

Perhaps Alt didn't deserve some of the comments made about his commitment to hockey.

I don't think people here [with the exception of one lost soul Hawkeye fan] understands the attraction of Hawkeye football - I lived there the years Alt's father played under Fry - I can see why the old man would at a minimum pressure the kid to go to Iowa City [if not absolutely INSIST]. In honesty - I'm more than a little surprised he even let the kid PLAY hockey in the later years for fear he might get hurt.

I don't argue with the collective meme that he'd do better in hockey - just saying I sure understood the pressures & temptations he was under.

Also - I know more than a few Hawkeye fans [do business down there A LOT] - few of them even know D1 hockey exists. They can't figure out for the life of them why he even plays hockey at all - to them it makes more sense to walk on at Iowa and 'experience' winning Big Ten football even if it's from the sidelines than to take a scholarship for a 'minor sport' somewhere else. Not saying that's right - just trying to explain the pressures. If people understood that then they might have cut him some slack.

[g_manpucker]

Perhaps Alt didn't deserve some of the comments made about his commitment to hockey.

I don't think people here [with the exception of one lost soul Hawkeye fan] understands the attraction of Hawkeye football - I lived there the years Alt's father played under Fry - I can see why the old man would at a minimum pressure the kid to go to Iowa City [if not absolutely INSIST]. In honesty - I'm more than a little surprised he even let the kid PLAY hockey in the later years for fear he might get hurt.

I don't argue with the collective meme that he'd do better in hockey - just saying I sure understood the pressures & temptations he was under.

Also - I know more than a few Hawkeye fans [do business down there A LOT] - few of them even know D1 hockey exists. They can't figure out for the life of them why he even plays hockey at all - to them it makes more sense to walk on at Iowa and 'experience' winning Big Ten football even if it's from the sidelines than to take a scholarship for a 'minor sport' somewhere else. Not saying that's right - just trying to explain the pressures. If people understood that then they might have cut him some slack.

As the lost soul Hawkeye fan I would agree with the pressures on Daddy Alt towards his son from the Iowa Alumni. Iowa Alumni that funnel millions into the Hawkeye football program is not that different than the Gopher Alumni that suport Gopher Hockey, they would do almost anything to be successful. There are a couple of big contributors from my home town in Iowa that have paid for major renovations at both Kinnick (owners of Kum&Go renovated the south entrance and ped mall area) and Carver Hawkeye Arena (Dale Howard donated most of the money for the internal renovations going on now). Those contributors do business with former players to this day (Dale Howard owns a car dealership which he sells many cars to former players) so the pressure they must put on former players to have their children like in this instance of John Alt with his son Mark had to be tremendous.

I sort of forgot about that side of the arguement when I was complaining wanting Mark to make up his mind. In the end I am certain that he made the right decision and I believe Kirk Ferentz did him a service by not offering him a full scholarship which allowed him the time to make the right decision.

[dryfly]

Perhaps Alt didn't deserve some of the comments made about his commitment to hockey.

I sort of forgot about that side of the arguement when I was complaining wanting Mark to make up his mind. In the end I am certain that he made the right decision and I believe Kirk Ferentz did him a service by not offering him a full scholarship which allowed him the time to make the right decision.

I kind of guessed that.

BTW - for other people here who don't get how much more crazy Hawkeye football is than ANYTHING U of MN - including hockey - hows this... I was a supervisor at one of the major corn wet mills in Cedar Rapids. One of my workers [just a factory worker] paid U of I $2000 every year gift money to be sure he got his tickets. He then had to BUY the tickets - that was extra. They were good seats but still back in the early 1980s, in a recession just like now, that was a lot of money. If I recall I bought an Ford Escort [sad I know - but I needed a car] back then NEW for something like $5000. The guy didn't even complain about the 'gift' - it was for a good cause. That was BEFORE Fry's first trip to the Rose Bowl!!!

People here have no idea the pressure Alt must have been under to grow up in the shadow of his old man and then make this [probably the right] choice. No one down there will get it - no one.

And yes Ferentz did him a favor - he is an unbelievably class act.

[g_manpucker]

Perhaps Alt didn't deserve some of the comments made about his commitment to hockey.

I sort of forgot about that side of the arguement when I was complaining wanting Mark to make up his mind. In the end I am certain that he made the right decision and I believe Kirk Ferentz did him a service by not offering him a full scholarship which allowed him the time to make the right decision.

I kind of guessed that.

BTW - for other people here who don't get how much more crazy Hawkeye football is than ANYTHING U of MN - including hockey - hows this... I was a supervisor at one of the major corn wet mills in Cedar Rapids. One of my workers [just a factory worker] paid U of I $2000 every year gift money to be sure he got his tickets. He then had to BUY the tickets - that was extra. They were good seats but still back in the early 1980s, in a recession just like now, that was a lot of money. If I recall I bought an Ford Escort [sad I know - but I needed a car] back then NEW for something like $5000. The guy didn't even complain about the 'gift' - it was for a good cause. That was BEFORE Fry's first trip to the Rose Bowl!!!

People here have no idea the pressure Alt must have been under to grow up in the shadow of his old man and then make this [probably the right] choice. No one down there will get it - no one.

And yes Ferentz did him a favor - he is an unbelievably class act.

[BlueBandit24]

Holl picked up a pair of assists for Omaha tonight, and it looked like he was getting ample time on both the power play and the penalty kill. Nice to see him logging some productive minutes in the USHL.

[mplspuckguy]

Perhaps Alt didn't deserve some of the comments made about his commitment to hockey.

I don't think people here [with the exception of one lost soul Hawkeye fan] understands the attraction of Hawkeye football - I lived there the years Alt's father played under Fry - I can see why the old man would at a minimum pressure the kid to go to Iowa City [if not absolutely INSIST]. In honesty - I'm more than a little surprised he even let the kid PLAY hockey in the later years for fear he might get hurt.

I don't argue with the collective meme that he'd do better in hockey - just saying I sure understood the pressures & temptations he was under.

Also - I know more than a few Hawkeye fans [do business down there A LOT] - few of them even know D1 hockey exists. They can't figure out for the life of them why he even plays hockey at all - to them it makes more sense to walk on at Iowa and 'experience' winning Big Ten football even if it's from the sidelines than to take a scholarship for a 'minor sport' somewhere else. Not saying that's right - just trying to explain the pressures. If people understood that then they might have cut him some slack.

Now I understand why you're such a great hockey mind!

[Hammy]

Holl earns USHL Defensive Player of the Week in his first week back with Omaha.

http://www.ushl.com/news/story.cfm?id=3121

[Don Adams Wheel of Justice]

Is Justin's last name pronounced "Hole" or "Hall"?

[Chris Eckes]

Pronounced Hall like Cretin-Derham Hall

[BlueBandit24]

Or like former Gopher football player Justin Hall.

[Don Adams Wheel of Justice]

Danka.

[sb24]

http://www.thepipelineshow.com/clips/se ... d_Mar9.mp3
Looked a bit, not sure If this has been posted.

[Ursa Major]

So far we have lost Flynn, Fisher, Schack, Lucia, Carmen and Schroeder for 2011-2010. Does anyone know for sure who is being brought in next year to replace this Senior Class and JS?

[BlueBandit24]

So far we have lost Flynn, Fisher, Schack, Lucia, Carmen and Schroeder for 2011-2010. Does anyone know for sure who is being brought in next year to replace this Senior Class and JS?

Nothing for sure yet. But the consensus seems to be these 9 thus far:

F Seth Ambroz
F Nick Bjugstad
F Nate Condon
F Erik Haula
F Jared Larson
F Tom Serratore
D Mark Alt
D Jake Parenteau
D Nate Schmidt

[5mn Major]

So far we have lost Flynn, Fisher, Schack, Lucia, Carmen and Schroeder for 2011-2010. Does anyone know for sure who is being brought in next year to replace this Senior Class and JS?

Nothing for sure yet. But the consensus seems to be these 9 thus far:

F Seth Ambroz
F Nick Bjugstad
F Nate Condon
F Erik Haula
F Jared Larson
F Tom Serratore
D Mark Alt
D Jake Parenteau
D Nate Schmidt

Soo...Larson, Serratore and Parenteau are less scholies than walkons?

[junti]

Never had the chance to see Ambroz play live....can someone tell me what exactly he brings to the table? Just checked out the stats on hockeydb...just a hair under a PPG and about even in Gs and As. Looks like a big kid with a lot of PIMs. So is this kid a big old school guy who is gonna mix it up everywhere on the ice AND be a contributor on the scoresheet too? Just a little nervous based on the track record of guys like Hansen and the like who had good stats in the USHL and so far haven't done squat.

I like the fact that we have guys who are teammates in the USHL now coming this way...Holl (now anyway), Amroz and Haula in Omaha. Schmidt and Condon in Fargo. Then a mix of guys like Larson, Serratore and Parenteau who are gonna be 21 YO freshman if I am correct.

Anyway...thanks guys.

[thedude]

Never had the chance to see Ambroz play live....can someone tell me what exactly he brings to the table? Just checked out the stats on hockeydb...just a hair under a PPG and about even in Gs and As. Looks like a big kid with a lot of PIMs. So is this kid a big old school guy who is gonna mix it up everywhere on the ice AND be a contributor on the scoresheet too? Just a little nervous based on the track record of guys like Hansen and the like who had good stats in the USHL and so far haven't done squat.

I like the fact that we have guys who are teammates in the USHL now coming this way...Holl (now anyway), Amroz and Haula in Omaha. Schmidt and Condon in Fargo. Then a mix of guys like Larson, Serratore and Parenteau who are gonna be 21 YO freshman if I am correct.

Anyway...thanks guys.

I don't think Ambroz's stats are indicative of his play. He was the youngest player in the USHL last season. He'll be a big power forward, but he's still only 16...Next season i see him in a 3rd/4th line grinder role until he adjusts to playing in the WCHA, he'll be one heck of a player. Can't wait to see him progress!