Gopher Basketball 2009-2010

[Zwak]

Apparently Royce has lots of buddies who are telling him that he is good enough to be "one and done", and he is listening.

[gopherguy06]

http://www.twincities.com/ci_13702493?source=most_viewed

Or shoplifting and then getting into a scuffle about it? You've got to be kidding me.

But a court document stated White received two misdemeanor citations for theft and fifth degree assault during an incident at 7:54 p.m. Oct. 13 at Macy's in Bloomington, Minn.

White's arraignment is scheduled for Nov. 17. Bostick was not mentioned in the document.

More details:
A Macy’s security officer confronted White, who was with three other males, and tried to handcuff the 6-foot-8, 240-pound power forward, who allegedly stole $100 worth of merchandise.

According to a police report, White pushed the security guard “down to the ground two times.” Bloomington officers eventually arrived and arrested White, who was released with a citation.

White was also issued a one-year trespass notice by security officials at the Mall of America, according to the police. Bloomington police Cmdr. Jim Ryan said people who commit the crimes that White’s been accused of don’t usually serve jail time.

[Border Gopher]

[Greyeagle]

Apparently Royce has lots of buddies who are telling him that he is good enough to be "one and done", and he is listening.

They should of clarified one year of college because he apparently is aiming for one year in the workhouse.

[dxmnkd316]

:dope:

i had the same reaction... ugh. this is awful news.

[Elm Grove Gopher]

Maybe his buddies said "None and done".

[Go4 Guy]

Who says todays youth are not on the fast track to success.... This stuff must kill Tubby....

[Handyman]

http://www.twincities.com/ci_13702493?source=most_viewed

Or shoplifting and then getting into a scuffle about it? You've got to be kidding me.

But a court document stated White received two misdemeanor citations for theft and fifth degree assault during an incident at 7:54 p.m. Oct. 13 at Macy's in Bloomington, Minn.

White's arraignment is scheduled for Nov. 17. Bostick was not mentioned in the document.

More details:
A Macy’s security officer confronted White, who was with three other males, and tried to handcuff the 6-foot-8, 240-pound power forward, who allegedly stole $100 worth of merchandise.

According to a police report, White pushed the security guard “down to the ground two times.” Bloomington officers eventually arrived and arrested White, who was released with a citation.

White was also issued a one-year trespass notice by security officials at the Mall of America, according to the police. Bloomington police Cmdr. Jim Ryan said people who commit the crimes that White’s been accused of don’t usually serve jail time.

Yank his scholarship and send him on his way. He had baggage before and it is obvious he has learned nothing. Cut ties now before it gets worse...it isnt like he hasnt had second chances before.

I am usually one for being patient but this kid has had issues for YEARS I dont want to waste time during the season this kid. If he will sit a season let him stay, since he wont because he feels he is the best there ever was, tell him to go to Europe and have a nice day.

[NYC Gopher fan]

Poor Tubby. Unlike some of our previous basketball coaches, it seems he really does want to do the right thing no matter what the consequences to the team are.

It's a shame that our two highest revenue sports continue to have trouble like this year after year. I know we're not the only school who does, but still.

[Handyman]

We will see if Tubby tries to do the right thing...I have a bad feeling he will suspend Royce for the exhibitions and maybe a regular season game and let it go after that. I admit that is the cynic in me but Royce was a 5 star recruit and huge get for Tubby as he was a local kid...I hope Tubby does the best thing for the program and keep this kid away from it for a long damned time. (if not permanently)

[monty]

How dare that security try to arrest one of us who is entitled to do anything he wants because he has talent. I'd rather they just roll out the red carpet and kneel at his feet.

[Handyman]

How dare that security try to arrest one of us who is entitled to do anything he wants because he has talent. I'd rather they just roll out the red carpet and kneel at his feet.

Royce has a few people on Gopherhole who seem to be talking that way. Apparently the mall cop shouldn't have stopped him from shoplifting or been upset that Royce pushed him around.

[panndder]

How dare that security try to arrest one of us who is entitled to do anything he wants because he has talent. I'd rather they just roll out the red carpet and kneel at his feet.

Royce has a few people on Gopherhole who seem to be talking that way. Apparently the mall cop shouldn't have stopped him from shoplifting or been upset that Royce pushed him around.

I think people who condone his behavior are extremely rare. I am a believer in rehabilitation, but he's 18 now and a public figure in his home state. He doesn't have many straws left.

[sunbone]

I have to laugh at the people who think this Mbakwe situation is an attempt at extortion. I don't think anybody is disputing that this girl got assaulted. So your theory is that she got attacked, got her cheek smashed in, then has the presence of mind to think...hmm...how can I cash in on this situation. So then she goes to a Juco basketball website, picks out the guy she thinks has the best pro future, and points to him as the culprit? All in the hopes that this kid who hasn't even played Division I college ball yet will pan out in the NBA and she will have a chance to cash in 3 years from now? Look, I have no idea if Mbakwe did it or not. The girl absolutely could be mistaken. But these conspiracy theories are patently absurd.

On White, I wish Tubby would have the guts to cut this kid loose now. I'm all for second chances but this kid is asking for his 5th or 6th chance before he even suits up. It just is not worth it.

[dxmnkd316]

I have to laugh at the people who think this Mbakwe situation is an attempt at extortion. I don't think anybody is disputing that this girl got assaulted. So your theory is that she got attacked, got her cheek smashed in, then has the presence of mind to think...hmm...how can I cash in on this situation.

Does Duke Lacrosse ring a bell?

[Handyman]

I have to laugh at the people who think this Mbakwe situation is an attempt at extortion. I don't think anybody is disputing that this girl got assaulted. So your theory is that she got attacked, got her cheek smashed in, then has the presence of mind to think...hmm...how can I cash in on this situation.

Does Duke Lacrosse ring a bell?

Duke Lacrosse was different...I am not saying MBakwe is guilty, but that girl was a stripper/hooker who was never assaulted by anyone let alone the people at the party. Not to mention Duke Lacrosse players tend to come from money, college basketball players don't. This girl was assaulted, I highly doubt she just randomly chose some guy because he plays basketball in college. The only possible money she could exhort would be from the U trying to cover it up, which they aren't doing. She will get nothing from him unless he is found guilty.

Maybe she is mistaken about who did it, I have no idea there but if you think she is trying to score money here I think you are a bit misguided.

[sunbone]

I have to laugh at the people who think this Mbakwe situation is an attempt at extortion. I don't think anybody is disputing that this girl got assaulted. So your theory is that she got attacked, got her cheek smashed in, then has the presence of mind to think...hmm...how can I cash in on this situation.

Does Duke Lacrosse ring a bell?

Handy pretty much made my points for me. You are completely comparing apples to oranges here. I don't think that there is any question that this girl was assaulted, the only question being is she mistaking who did it? Which is entirely possible. But I don't think she punched herself in the face and made up the whole thing to make some money. In fact, like I said before I think that theory is absurd.

[dxmnkd316]

Right, and i didn't mean to imply that she didn't get assaulted. That's obvious. And I'm not doubting a tall male on a bike was the one who did it. I'm just calling into question her credibility. I'm just saying that if this turns out like the duke lacrosse case in that they were actually innocent despite the "clear" case against them EARLY ON, it could hit the fan for maturi. Maybe not. Who knows. But to presuppose his guilt BEFORE a trial, BEFORE all of the evidence has been presented, and BEFORE a conviction is ridiculous at best. It's turning a win-lose situation into a lose-lose situation.

If you don't bench him and he's not guilty no big deal (win).
If you don't bench him and he's guilty, you give him the boot and you're out a top recruit (lose).
If you bench him and he's not guilty, you just wasted half a year of experience and may have lost a game or two where you wouldn't have if Mbakwe was in (lose).
If you bench him and he's guilty, you give him the boot and you're out a top recruit (lose).

Of course, there's the possible media circus and distractions that could take place during the season if you don't bench him, but don't kid yourself, this would happen in any of the four scenarios.

Anyways, the real point I was trying to get at was that it's insane to hold him out indefinitely when he hasn't even been convicted of a damn thing. The only evidence made public so far is the victim's police statement. That's just not going to cut it in front of a jury when Mbakwe has witnesses that put him elsewhere during the time of the crime. Unless of course they can impeach the credibility of those witnesses, which is possible (again, we just don't know). In front of a grand jury or judge deciding whether or not to go to trial is a whole different ballgame (the old cliche "you can indict a ham sandwich for murder in front of a grand jury" comes to mind). I think SUMLaw could offer some additional insight into this.

Also, I also didn't say that the extortion is what I believe actually happened. I was merely offering it up as a possibility.

[Handyman]

I think Maturi and Tubby are doing the right thing...I dont want him playing until he is cleared. Sorry but that is just how it is. If he is cleared then he can play, until then he sits. The negatives of him playing and being a distraction outweigh the possible positives. I would rather lose a couple games while we wait than win games and then have him be convicted.

The U and Tubby are not held to the same standards as a court of law they can make whatever choice they want.

[sunbone]

I think Maturi and Tubby are doing the right thing...I dont want him playing until he is cleared. Sorry but that is just how it is. If he is cleared then he can play, until then he sits. The negatives of him playing and being a distraction outweigh the possible positives. I would rather lose a couple games while we wait than win games and then have him be convicted.

The U and Tubby are not held to the same standards as a court of law they can make whatever choice they want.

Damn Handy, you are on a roll. This is like 2 times this month I have agreed with you, hence you have been right twice this month. In a court of law you are presumed innocent, but that does not mean when you have a felony assault case pending you have a right to play hoops for the University of Minnesota. And DXM, I think you are backpedaling. It did seem like earlier you were implying that this could be a case of a completely made up incident based on extortion, now you admit that is ridiculous. Which it is. It is a case of he either did it, or it is mistaken identity. And if he didn't do it, it sucks for him that he is going to have to sit, but life isn't fair. Maybe my view of things is skewed because when I was a student we had that fine example of a human being named Mitch Lee representing the U on our basketball team and I would just as soon not go back to those days. I may be in the minority, but I would rather we finish 11th in the Big Ten than have guys like that on the team.

[dxmnkd316]

I think Maturi and Tubby are doing the right thing...I dont want him playing until he is cleared. Sorry but that is just how it is. If he is cleared then he can play, until then he sits. The negatives of him playing and being a distraction outweigh the possible positives. I would rather lose a couple games while we wait than win games and then have him be convicted.

The U and Tubby are not held to the same standards as a court of law they can make whatever choice they want.

Damn Handy, you are on a roll. This is like 2 times this month I have agreed with you, hence you have been right twice this month. In a court of law you are presumed innocent, but that does not mean when you have a felony assault case pending you have a right to play hoops for the University of Minnesota. And DXM, I think you are backpedaling. It did seem like earlier you were implying that this could be a case of a completely made up incident based on extortion, now you admit that is ridiculous. Which it is. It is a case of he either did it, or it is mistaken identity. And if he didn't do it, it sucks for him that he is going to have to sit, but life isn't fair. Maybe my view of things is skewed because when I was a student we had that fine example of a human being named Mitch Lee representing the U on our basketball team and I would just as soon not go back to those days. I may be in the minority, but I would rather we finish 11th in the Big Ten than have guys like that on the team.

read the post. i haven't backpedaled on anything. i said I think it's very suspect i never said i believed that was the case. I simply offered it up as a possible explanation for the threats thing. jeeze...

I don't think he did it personally. Things don't add up.

[sunbone]

After reading everything in Myron's blog today, he sounds guilty as hell.

http://www.startribune.com/blogs/685793 ... iUiacyKUUr

I don't see anything that suggests it was him. Sure she said tall black male, but I'm 6-4 and many shorter people (<5-8 or so, so >50% of the female population) guess that I am 6-6 when standing next to me in a well lit room. She did not have either of those advantages. Also she was off by 50 pounds. Even on that tall of a frame it's tough not to notice when someone adds or drops 50 pounds. Sure she picked him from the lineup, but this was subsequent to her picking him out on the team's website (and thus picking which picture she was to allege as her attacker).

Anytime someone is assaulted at night by a stranger and then says they're "100% Sure" when identifying their attacker is cause for alarm.

In case I sound like a Mbakwe apologist: If he did commit this crime I hope they pin 2nd degree assault on him and he receives a stiff sentence. I tend, however, to presume innocence.

That's exactly what I was thinking. So far this absolutely reeks of someone trying to hit the lawsuit jackpot a la the Duke Lacrosse case.

Ummm...read above DMX. I'm quoting you. If you would like to take back your ridiculous statement above, I'll retract mine.

[Gopherguy33]

I have to laugh at the people who think this Mbakwe situation is an attempt at extortion. I don't think anybody is disputing that this girl got assaulted. So your theory is that she got attacked, got her cheek smashed in, then has the presence of mind to think...hmm...how can I cash in on this situation. So then she goes to a Juco basketball website, picks out the guy she thinks has the best pro future, and points to him as the culprit? All in the hopes that this kid who hasn't even played Division I college ball yet will pan out in the NBA and she will have a chance to cash in 3 years from now? Look, I have no idea if Mbakwe did it or not. The girl absolutely could be mistaken. But these conspiracy theories are patently absurd.

You live in a bubble? Driving airplanes into skyscrapers was "patently absurd" before it happened.

I have a friend who works in the public defenders office. She tells me of things you wouldn't believe. Some are similar to this situation with Trevor. Getting punched by your boyfriend and blaming it on someone else happens regularly.(Not saying that is the case here) These women live in fear and think they will be killed. They say they were attacked. Its easier to lie about someone you don't know than it is to tell the truth about someone you fear.

My wife works at a retailer that had a lady come in on a Thursday for some Rock Band game that was half off or something in the Sunday add. She blew a gasket when it wasn't available in the store anymore and a rain check wasn't good enough for her. Says she needs it for her nephew's birthday or something. A few days later she calls the store and says she is in the hospital, she had a heart attack and she expected the retailer to pay her medical bills. Why? because she couldn't handle the fact that she didn't get her rock band game for her nephew. She filed the suit. Absurd, isn't it?

I am not saying anything did or didn't happen. To brush anything away like it has no possible merit is ignorant at best. We cant fathom some of the things that go on. Like smothering a grandchild. Beating your child to death or throwing them down the stairs because they wouldn't stop crying? All extremes I know, hitting a women like that isn't?

[SouthTexGopher]

Until guilt or innocence is proven in a court of law, people are just jumping to conclusions.

Many years ago...in a land known as Fort Hood (TX), I was a young 2LT serving in the 2AD. One of my friends was a young 1LT in the same division. One night, at a bar called Sandy's, he was approached by a young(er) female. He talked to her and was beginning to get friendly, but quickly rebuffed her once he learned that she was an enlisted soldier. She took it personally...and, knowing he was an officer, decided that it was a chance to really stick it to the officer corps. She made a very serious accusation, and nearly destroyed his career in the process. He was eventually cleared of the charge, but it put his career on hold for nearly a year. Thankfully, he's been able to make up time...and he's now a LTC.

My point is that we shouldn't assume guilt when it's not been proven. If it's proven, nail his to the wall. Until then, why destroy a young man with this? Heck, I could accuse a fellow GPLer of something heinous without proving it...does that mean he should be banned from the board immediately?

[dxmnkd316]

After reading everything in Myron's blog today, he sounds guilty as hell.

http://www.startribune.com/blogs/685793 ... iUiacyKUUr

I don't see anything that suggests it was him. Sure she said tall black male, but I'm 6-4 and many shorter people (<5-8 or so, so >50% of the female population) guess that I am 6-6 when standing next to me in a well lit room. She did not have either of those advantages. Also she was off by 50 pounds. Even on that tall of a frame it's tough not to notice when someone adds or drops 50 pounds. Sure she picked him from the lineup, but this was subsequent to her picking him out on the team's website (and thus picking which picture she was to allege as her attacker).

Anytime someone is assaulted at night by a stranger and then says they're "100% Sure" when identifying their attacker is cause for alarm.

In case I sound like a Mbakwe apologist: If he did commit this crime I hope they pin 2nd degree assault on him and he receives a stiff sentence. I tend, however, to presume innocence.

That's exactly what I was thinking. So far this absolutely reeks of someone trying to hit the lawsuit jackpot a la the Duke Lacrosse case.

Ummm...read above DMX. I'm quoting you. If you would like to take back your ridiculous statement above, I'll retract mine.

First, DMX is a no talent ass clown.

Second, I guess I retract the statement quoted above. Not sure why I phrased it like that. I don't think that it's for sure that's what she's doing here, although, I still believe it's a possibility (albeit a small one). Good call.

I still stand by the statement that I don't believe he did it given the evidence that has been released. I also stand by my belief that Maturi should not have suspended him yet until this case either get settled or the dust dies down and it becomes more clear.

[dxmnkd316]

Heck, I could accuse a fellow GPLer of something heinous without proving it...does that mean he should be banned from the board immediately?

First you call me a commie, and then you want me banned?

[trixR4kids]

First, DMX is a no talent ass clown.

Now this is the only thing I disagree with. Dude had at least one great album.

[Golden FE Ranger]

I have to agree with those who say Maturi did the right thing here. It is unfortunate for Mbakwe if he is innocent, and I really feel bad for him if that is the case. The University, however, can not afford to have a person charged with a felony on the floor at the barn. It is a PR disaster in the making. Like some have said, it is a privilege to play basketball, not a right. I hope that Mbakwe is innocent, and he can return ASAP, but until the court clears him, Maturi is doing what is in the best interest of the University of Minnesota - and that is his charge.

[Dances With Gophers]

If you bench him and he's not guilty, you just wasted half a year of experience and may have lost a game or two where you wouldn't have if Mbakwe was in (lose).
If you bench him and he's guilty, you give him the boot and you're out a top recruit (lose).

I disagree. I'd consider this a 'win' insofar that it sends the message that there are more important things in life than basketball, and that winning at any/all costs (see: Urban Meyer's initial 'punishment' of Spikes) is not the Minnesota way. At least, it shouldn't be esp. with Tubby at the helm.

[dxmnkd316]

Maturi is doing what is in the best interest of the University of Minnesota

There's a first time for everything I suppose...

[Golden FE Ranger]

Maturi is doing what is in the best interest of the University of Minnesota

There's a first time for everything I suppose...

How about bringing in Tubby? You have to give him at least two checks in the positive column . I know I probably fall into the minority on this, like many other things, but I think Maturi has done and continues to do a solid job for the U of M.

[dxmnkd316]

Maturi is doing what is in the best interest of the University of Minnesota

There's a first time for everything I suppose...

How about bringing in Tubby? You have to give him at least two checks in the positive column . I know I probably fall into the minority on this, like many other things, but I think Maturi has done and continues to do a solid job for the U of M.

No I agree. He's doing a pretty fine job over the past couple years. I just couldn't help myself.

However, before bringing in tubby and brewster (despite him not sending us to the rose bowl after one year ) you'd have been hard pressed to find someone who liked the guy.

[Golden FE Ranger]

No I agree. He's doing a pretty fine job over the past couple years. I just couldn't help myself.

However, before bringing in tubby and brewster (despite him not sending us to the rose bowl after one year ) you'd have been hard pressed to find someone who liked the guy.

Yea, I have to admit bias. Maturi grew up just down the street, albeit at a different time, but us silly small town folk tend to stick together . Chisholm also boasts a member of the board of regents. Bias aside, I think it would be hard to find someone who works harder or is more devoted to the University than Maturi. The hours he puts in and the event schedule he keeps is pretty impressive.

[Handyman]

Until guilt or innocence is proven in a court of law, people are just jumping to conclusions.

Many years ago...in a land known as Fort Hood (TX), I was a young 2LT serving in the 2AD. One of my friends was a young 1LT in the same division. One night, at a bar called Sandy's, he was approached by a young(er) female. He talked to her and was beginning to get friendly, but quickly rebuffed her once he learned that she was an enlisted soldier. She took it personally...and, knowing he was an officer, decided that it was a chance to really stick it to the officer corps. She made a very serious accusation, and nearly destroyed his career in the process. He was eventually cleared of the charge, but it put his career on hold for nearly a year. Thankfully, he's been able to make up time...and he's now a LTC.

My point is that we shouldn't assume guilt when it's not been proven. If it's proven, nail his to the wall. Until then, why destroy a young man with this? Heck, I could accuse a fellow GPLer of something heinous without proving it...does that mean he should be banned from the board immediately?

Umm...who the hell is assuming he is guilty? And spare me the melodrama his life wont be ruined if he is found innocent. He will be eligible to play the next day and by next season no one will remember or care. They havent revoked his scholarship or kicked him out of school they have suspended him pending the outcome of his trial. This happens all the time in all walks of life Tubby has ever right to do it to.

I hope he is innocent, and I have yet to say a disparaging word about him but I don't want him on the court while this is going on. Let him stay in school and maybe practice with the team but that is it. The U is more important than Mbawke.

It isnt like the U hasn't been in trouble before...they need to avoid as much negative press as possible. Ask Jim Dutcher what he thinks the U should do about this...

[Dances With Gophers]

Finally found video of that dunk. Sick.

[F Da Sue]

Will we have enough players out of jail to fill a full team at the start of the season?

[GopherRube21]

Did I read correctly that Jay Bilas had us ranked #13 (#25 overall in the ESPN Poll)???


You would think with the talent and skill we have on the basketball team this year, we could actually do something in the Big Ten, but all the trouble that has happened has to hurt our chances...

[Blindside]

You would think with the talent and skill we have on the basketball team this year, we could actually do something in the Big Ten, but all the trouble that has happened has to hurt our chances...

Losing Mbakwe and White certainly doesn't help, but the hoops team still returns all of its key members from a tournament squad and the big men are a year older and stronger. Plus, we add a couple of quality recruits in Rodney Williams and Justin Cobbs. I'm still optimistic that this team can make some noise and be a player in the Big 10. Getting White or Mbakwe during the year would be a huge boost, but I am excited about this team's prospects without them.

[Maxwell]

Will we have enough players out of jail to fill a full team at the start of the season?

Who's in jail?

[MATT]

Will we have enough players out of jail to fill a full team at the start of the season?

Who's in jail?

White soon? myron tweet:

Police are investigating Royce White as a possible suspect in an on-campus theft Sat. night, according to university officials.

[dxmnkd316]

Will we have enough players out of jail to fill a full team at the start of the season?

Who's in jail?

White soon? myron tweet:

Police are investigating Royce White as a possible suspect in an on-campus theft Sat. night, according to university officials.

son of a I hope this isn't true. If it is give this kid the axe. Everyone is given a second chance. He's burned his up.

[Armadillo]

Will we have enough players out of jail to fill a full team at the start of the season?

Who's in jail?

White soon? myron tweet:

Police are investigating Royce White as a possible suspect in an on-campus theft Sat. night, according to university officials.

son of a I hope this isn't true. If it is give this kid the axe. Everyone is given a second chance. He's burned his up.

In record time, too.

[Handyman]

He has had more than 2 chances...he was kicked out of DeLasalle, kicked out of the U dorms, had the shoplifting incident and now maybe this new theft...and that is just what has been made public. If he plays a minute in maroon and gold I will lose a lot of respect for Tubby.

[Ballz]

I went to the exhibition game last night (free tickets ) and from what I saw I am seriously questioning whether we need any of the three suspended players. Granted they've only beat up on UMD and MSU-Moorhead thus far, but I think they've already developed a lot of chemistry and I know the Tubby Defense will be wreaking havoc. Getting better play from Nolan and adding Cobbs at point has pushed Joseph over to the 2 (I think his more natural position) and he's shot really well in the exhibitions. Sampson and Iverson appear improved already as well.

I'm actually pretty excited for this season. I just wish these negative distractions would stop.

[dxmnkd316]

I really hope this is a misunderstanding or a case of mistaken identity.

[Handyman]

I really hope this is a misunderstanding or a case of mistaken identity.

For his sake me too...forget the team I dont want to see anyone screw up a golden opportunity and it would seem that is just what he is doing. Someone needs to get to this kid and explain how close he is to blowing his chance to be something special (whether here at the U or anywhere) before it is too late. I know the NBA has a horrid reputation when it comes to this stuff but teams wont tolerate this crap from a kid who hasnt proven anything. He needs to shape up and do it fast!

[dxmnkd316]

F K

http://downwithgoldy.blogspot.com/2009/ ... -ours.html

Magic Johnson, yes, THE Magic Johnson took a trip to the U during his senior year in HS and he called it "'the best recruiting visit I took' but that he 'just couldn't go anywhere other than Michigan or Michigan State.'"

[murrster]

I really hope this is a misunderstanding or a case of mistaken identity.

For his sake me too...forget the team I dont want to see anyone screw up a golden opportunity and it would seem that is just what he is doing. Someone needs to get to this kid and explain how close he is to blowing his chance to be something special (whether here at the U or anywhere) before it is too late. I know the NBA has a horrid reputation when it comes to this stuff but teams wont tolerate this crap from a kid who hasnt proven anything. He needs to shape up and do it fast!

I'm sure Tubby has let him know. There's only so much people can do. If he can't figure it out after all the crap he's pulled, he likely never will.

[Ballz]

I really hope this is a misunderstanding or a case of mistaken identity.

For his sake me too...forget the team I dont want to see anyone screw up a golden opportunity and it would seem that is just what he is doing. Someone needs to get to this kid and explain how close he is to blowing his chance to be something special (whether here at the U or anywhere) before it is too late. I know the NBA has a horrid reputation when it comes to this stuff but teams wont tolerate this crap from a kid who hasnt proven anything. He needs to shape up and do it fast!

I'm sure Tubby has let him know. There's only so much people can do. If he can't figure it out after all the crap he's pulled, he likely never will.

The latest news is that apparently he was spotted that night in the dorm with some buddies around the time the theft of someone's laptop took place and that he may have only been implicated because he was simply a "usual suspect." Take it FWIW. Tubby is a guy that I have a ton of respect for and I fully expect his leash is as short as physically possible right now and I hope he doesn't see the floor until after the 76 classic and @Miami games.

[Six Hole]

Asking here because I'm terrified of GopherHole.

Does Royce have a big posse? Are these guys with him constantly? I assume they're not students at the U? I heard one of the guys with him at Macy's was arrested on a felony warrant, and I've heard/read tons of references to him hanging out with the wrong people.

Anyone have any insight?