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Postby Hobey Baker » Fri Jul 01 2:43 pm

Anyone watch tennis? Anyone interested in Wimbledon, US Open, French or Austrailian Opens? Agassi, Federer, Williams sisters or Maria Sharapova interest you? A place for talking tennis, its personalities, equipment and destinations.

Wimbledon update:

Federer into the finals for the third straight year. Longest winning streak since Borg. Roddick match in a rain delay.

Venus vs Davenport for the Womens championship.

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Postby Kessel Guy » Fri Jul 01 3:07 pm

I am a huge tennis guy. I grew up when nobody missed watching Wimbledon. Borg vs Mac, Mac vs Connors and the young Boris Becker were what it was all about. Sampras and Agassi followed.

Federer is the best I have ever seen. He has the whole game and moves as well as any player also. I hope Roddick makes it to the finals so we have contrasting styles.

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Postby Hobey Baker » Sun Jul 03 10:55 pm

I hope some of you closet tennis fans watched Wimbledon yesterday and today. If you watched Saturday, you probably wittnessed one of the best women's finals of all time. Venus beat Davenport in three sets, 9 - 7 in the third. If you watched today, you wittnessed an almost perfect match from the worlds number one player, Roger Federer. Federer had 45 winners and 9 unforced errors in his three set dismantling of Andy Roddick. Like Kessel guy said, he just might be the greatest player of all timeI.

If you don't watch tennis, take the time to watch Roger Federer. You will not be sorry and will be amazed at how good this guy is!

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Postby sherlock » Tue Jul 05 5:39 pm

Let me preface this by saying I am definitely NOT a tennis guy. I like to play for fun, but I don't follow the sport.

That said, Federer as the best ever? Wasn't Sampras number one in the world for most of the 90s? And I also think he won Wimbledon every year but one between like 1992 and 1999...

Maybe there is a case for Federer as the best ever, but he is only 23 right? It just seems like it is a little early...

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Postby Bert » Tue Jul 05 8:44 pm

Pete has 14 Grand Slam wins. I say he is the best. Yes people said he was boring but he could play tennis.

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Postby Elm Grove Gopher » Tue Jul 05 9:32 pm

I am not an expert, but a tennis hack. However, I think tennis is down overall. I think the Borg v Mac era was the best...Natase, Connors, Mac, Borg, Lendl....I'm sure others can come up with some more. Now there is not as much talent at the top.

In that era, no man would win 14 slam titles or be ranked #1 for that long...someone would take him out.

That being said, Federer is one of the best ever and could play with that group, but comparing stats across eras is tough in a sport like tennis.

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Postby Mr. W » Tue Jul 05 9:38 pm

Federer, much like Sampras, hasn't done anything on clay as of yet. It's still early in his career, but he's got to win the French, or at least perform well there consistently, to be considered one of the best ever. Bjorn Borg and Ivan Lendl proved they were winners on all surfaces. The power game of Sampras and Roddick vanish when they hit the clay, just like many clay court specialists cannot play their finesse game on hard and grass courts. The best ever must have a winning combination of the two styles, in my opinion.

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Postby Hobey Baker » Tue Jul 05 9:46 pm

Look, Federer is by far the greatest player of his generation and is now being compared and judged against the greats of the past. Borg and Sampras are the only other men to have won three consecutive Wimbledon titles in the last 60 years. Federer's overall game is better than Pete's. Federer is fitter and quicker than Sampras ever was. The serve obviously favors Pete.

Since June 2004, Federer is 98 - 5 (.951 winning percentage). He has won 15 titles on various grass, hard court, clay and indoor courts. Federer has won a record 21 finals matches in a row.

For those of you who don't remember, Federer beat Pete at Wimbledon to stop Sampras streak.

IMO, Federer is on his way to being the best ever.

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Postby Hobey Baker » Tue Jul 05 9:59 pm

Mr. W wrote:Federer, much like Sampras, hasn't done anything on clay as of yet. It's still early in his career, but he's got to win the French, or at least perform well there consistently, to be considered one of the best ever. Bjorn Borg and Ivan Lendl proved they were winners on all surfaces. The power game of Sampras and Roddick vanish when they hit the clay, just like many clay court specialists cannot play their finesse game on hard and grass courts. The best ever must have a winning combination of the two styles, in my opinion.


Look, Lendl did not win Wimbledon and Borg never won a US Open or an Austrailian. There have only been 4 or 5 players ever to win all the majors, the last being Andre Agassi. So winning on the different surfaces is important but doesn't make you the greatest. It is how you dominate your opponents and the players of your generation. Federer is clearly the best of his generation and only time will tell if he challenges Sampras overall record. Federer held 3 out 4 grand slams last year and has 1 this year with a chance to win two. He is 23 and already is being compared with the best ever. I like his chances!


There is a great article on ESPN (under tennis) written by Barry Lorge. He lays the case out pretty well with comments from some of the past greats.

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Postby Mr. W » Tue Jul 05 10:15 pm

So you're basically discounting the importance of clay court tennis? That's like a place kicker in the NFL who is outstanding indoors on turf, but struggles mightily outside on grass. I'd think the best kicker of all-time, whomever that may be, would be someone who could make field goals on turf and on grass.

Federer doesn't play the kind of power game that Roddick or Sampras play, but he's still fairly one-dimensional when it comes to the playing surface. I'm not saying he couldn't be the best ever, but he's got to do something on clay first.

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Postby Hobey Baker » Wed Jul 06 9:21 am

Look, Federer lost in the semi's at the French to the eventual champion, Nadal. So, I guess you are losing me with your one dimensional comments. He is 95 - 5 since June of 2004, which obviously means he has played more than one clay court tournament. I guess I just can't agree with your comment. Federer can play the groundie game or serve and volley. With his speed and fitness, clay isn't an issue. It will be tough for him to win the French, but not out of the question. Look at the last 25 years of Champions at the French and you will see some of the greats along with more no name title holders as opposed to Wimbledon, Australilian or US Open.

Sampras is considered the greatest of all time, but couldn't fight his way out a wet paper bag on the clay so what does that tell you about clay court tennis. It wasn't a factor in determining Pete's place in history.

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Postby Kessel Guy » Wed Jul 06 1:22 pm

W,

I don't know if you follow the game, but Federer is one of the greatest talents ever to play the game. Federer is 23 years old and already is being compared to the legends of the game. This guy is the real deal. He can play clay, owns grass ( he will make a run at Sampras's record) and obviously owns the hard court.

John Newcombe breaks it down this way. Serve advantage Sampras. Groundies favor Federer (especially back hand), serve return favors Federer, fitness favors Federer, court speed favors Federer and finally the volley is rated a draw.

Like Hobes said, people forget that Federer beat Sampras at Wimbledon when he was 18 or 19 years old and Sampras was at the peak of his game.

Only time will tell, but I like his chances too.

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Postby Hobey Baker » Sun Aug 14 9:20 pm

Nadal beat Agassi in three sets today to win his first hard court tournament, 6-3, 4-6,6-2.

Did anyone watch this match today?

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Postby Kessel Guy » Wed Aug 24 3:36 pm

Who is interested in the US Open? It is my favorite tennis event to watch. I love the fact that you get night matches. I love the NY crowd. I also love listening to Johnny Mac for two weeks straight. It is the best!!!

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Postby dock » Wed Aug 24 4:04 pm

I like the US open. I can lay in bed at nite and watch a little tennis before bed.

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Postby go4-chica » Wed Aug 24 9:22 pm

Andy Roddick is the Greatest Tennis Player! :D Hot as Hell too, I might add! GO A-RODD!
I hate Federer! :chainsaw:

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Postby Beauner » Wed Aug 24 9:31 pm

I disagree...Anna Kournikova is the best :pelvic_thrust2:

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Postby GopherHockeyFan » Wed Aug 24 11:20 pm

Beauner wrote:I disagree...Anna Kournikova is the best :pelvic_thrust2:


meh. Shes no Maria Sharapova. Beauty and skill.

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Postby Hobey Baker » Thu Aug 25 12:34 pm

I agree with Kessel Guy about Johnny Mac. He is the best in the business in any sport. I really enjoy the evening matches.

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Postby go4-chica » Fri Aug 26 12:55 pm

I was saying that Andy Roddick was the hottest MALE tennis player! :D Johnny Mac is great to listen to for those two weeks, I would agree there! :thumbup:

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Postby Hobey Baker » Mon Aug 29 10:11 am

How about Andre and Nike splitting. Andre is now with Addidas. That is like Tiger or Jordan leaving Nike. He has been identified with Nike tennis for 20 years!

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Postby Hobey Baker » Tue Aug 30 12:43 pm

US Open Tennis Action:

Agassi and Shirapova win last night in straights. Federer, Blake and Davenport win today. Roddick plays tonight a 7.

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Postby Kessel Guy » Tue Aug 30 10:05 pm

Roddick upset tonight! 7-6,7-6,7-6. It was Andy's Bday today, nice present.

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Postby jamwall » Tue Aug 30 10:53 pm

i recently saw a really intense tennis match between 2 horizontal lines!
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Postby Hobey Baker » Wed Aug 31 12:55 pm

I want to see how Nadal does in this tourney. I think the NY crowds will love him!

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Postby dock » Wed Aug 31 8:48 pm

Hobey Baker wrote:I want to see how Nadal does in this tourney. I think the NY crowds will love him!


I'm sorry, but the leotard top with capri pants look is ridiculous. He looks like a imbecile.

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excuse me, a man wearing a leotard top and capri pants???? i'm afraid the latest trends in cattur have gotten rather out of hand!
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Postby Hobey Baker » Thu Sep 01 12:25 am

i don't care about his looks, just how he plays!

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Postby Hobey Baker » Sun Sep 04 9:52 pm

Anybody watching this weekend? Just got back from the Open and had a blast! I saw Blake beat Nadal, Agassi's win over Burdych, stayed out late in Ashe to watch Ginepri win in five against Haas, witnessed Hewett beat Dent from the 5th row and finally saw Venus win the first set.

If you ever get a chance to go, go!

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Postby jamwall » Sun Sep 04 11:58 pm

Hobey Baker wrote:i don't care about his looks, just how he plays!


what if the fashion police interrupt one of his matches with tape measures and hair dryer's drawn.....and he's leading 6-2, 6-4, 3-1....what then?????????
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Postby Hobey Baker » Tue Sep 06 12:27 pm

Blake vs Agassi on Wed night, USA network.

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Postby Kessel Guy » Wed Sep 07 3:44 pm

Great article on ESPN today regarding Connors run in '91 and Agassi's run this year.

I hope Agassi wins tonight.

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Postby Bert » Wed Sep 07 4:27 pm

Go Blake

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Postby cavedog » Wed Sep 07 4:29 pm

I'll be happy with either winning...should be a good show

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Postby Goldy 79 » Wed Sep 07 11:21 pm

AMAZING MATCH

Agassi 3 3 6 6 7
Blake 6 6 3 3 6
Boom goes the Dynamite!
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Postby Hobey Baker » Thu Sep 08 10:27 am

Agassi looked like he was done midway thru the 3rd set. That was a lot of fun to see Andre comeback. It was his first comeback (being down two sets to none at the US Open) in his 20 year career there. How much fun was it to watch Agassi break Blake to stay alive and then go on to win in the tiebreak? What a match!

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Postby sagard » Thu Sep 08 10:31 am

Hobey Baker wrote:Agassi looked like he was done midway thru the 3rd set. That was a lot of fun to see Andre comeback. It was his first comeback (being down two sets to none at the US Open) in his 20 year career there. How much fun was it to watch Agassi break Blake to stay alive and then go on to win in the tiebreak? What a match!



Was it just me or did they cut to CSI @ 3-2 in the fifth? Talk about stupidity.

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Postby Goldy 79 » Thu Sep 08 10:37 am

They changed the programming over to the network stations. It shouldn't have been a shock, the announcers spoke about it on and off for 15 minutes leading up to the switch.

It just moved to channel 4.

Hobey - I could have sworn the announcers also said he had come back from 2 down at the US Open before.
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Postby Hobey Baker » Thu Sep 08 10:42 am

He has comeback down two zip in the other majors but was 0 - 12 at the US Open. It was a special night.

Hopefully Agassi can get to the finals. It will be awesome to see him play either Hewitt or Federer. Good TV!

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Postby Goldy 79 » Thu Sep 08 10:57 am

Hobey Baker wrote:He has comeback down two zip in the other majors but was 0 - 12 at the US Open. It was a special night.

Hopefully Agassi can get to the finals. It will be awesome to see him play either Hewitt or Federer. Good TV!


It would be great for himto go to the finals and run either one of those guys off the court, but I just don't know if Andre has enough gas in the tank to go the distance.

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Postby Hobey Baker » Thu Sep 08 11:01 am

Andre can beat Ginepri and Hewitt (tough groundie wars) but has minimal chance against Federer. Federer has a tough match against Nalbandian. Nalbandian has a winning record against Federer / has his number, so maybe Andre can win his third title if Nalbandian can pull the upset.

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Postby Demsdontgetit » Thu Sep 08 11:25 am

However, it should be duely noted that Agassi is the only one that has the returning capabilities to beat Federer. Hewitt has zero chance against Federer....however, it is fun watching that little b*&^h get run around the court. I hate Hewitt with a passion. I foresee Agassi having little trouble with Genepri....straight set victory, and then Andre facing Federer in the finals. Now THAT would be a great story, to see Andre beat a man many pick to be the most successful tennis player in history.

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Postby Hobey Baker » Thu Sep 08 11:42 am

His groundie game is capable of pushing Federer but not beating him. They went 5 sets a year ago at the Open and had a good match in Florida this year, but Federer's overall game is too big for Andre. Andre has little margin for error when he plays Roger.

Do you think the crowds will be going nuts on Sunday for this match?

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Postby sagard » Thu Sep 08 12:15 pm

Goldy 79 wrote:They changed the programming over to the network stations. It shouldn't have been a shock, the announcers spoke about it on and off for 15 minutes leading up to the switch.


DOH! That's what I get for not having the sound on. :)

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Postby Hobey Baker » Fri Sep 09 9:39 am

Federer cruises last night into the semis vs Hewitt. Agassi plays Ginepri.

Are we as fans pulling for the all Russian final? Sharapova vs Dimentiava. The all hottie final!

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Postby Goldy 79 » Fri Sep 09 9:59 am

I don't think I could handle watching that Russian women's final ;)
Those two ladies running around on the same court would be too much to handle
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blood pressure pills or a cold shower! :dance:

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Postby Hobey Baker » Sun Sep 11 8:07 pm

I hoped a lot of you watched Agassi vs Federer after the Vikes today. The first three sets are about as good as you are ever going to see. Agassi was awesome but not good enough to handle Federer. Agassi called Federer the best he has ever played. Agassi said with Sampras you had a place to get control and put things on your own terms, with Roger, there is no such place. Federer won in four sets: 6-3, 2-6, 7-6 (1), 6 -1.

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Postby Kessel Guy » Tue Jan 17 12:36 pm

Anybody watching the Austrailian Open on ESPN II? It is a good time to watch tennis becasue the matches are on from 9:30pm to 12:30 am. Did anyone see Serina get bounced?

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Postby Bert » Tue Jan 17 12:57 pm

Kessel Guy wrote:Anybody watching the Austrailian Open on ESPN II? It is a good time to watch tennis becasue the matches are on from 9:30pm to 12:30 am. Did anyone see Serina get bounced?
Umm Serina is in the 2nd round. Venus lost in the 1st

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Postby Kessel Guy » Tue Jan 17 1:04 pm

My mistake! Hewitt in a 5 setter and Hingis won.

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Postby Hobey Baker » Wed Jan 18 10:32 am

Blake and Roddick advance but fellow American Ginepri loses. Shirapova and Serena on track to play in the fourth round (both need to win 3rd round matches first).

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Postby Bushwood Gopher » Thu Jan 19 2:44 pm

Hewitt gets bounced in the 2nd round by Chela. Ouch.

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Postby Hobey Baker » Fri Jan 20 3:04 pm

Serena is done! Defending champ has bee outsted.

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Postby Kessel Guy » Sat Jan 21 12:24 pm

I have enjoyed watching the Hingis comeback. She looks good, healthy and fit. She has made the round of 16. It will be interesting becasue a lot of the top women are not in game shape or are injured.

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Postby Hobey Baker » Sun Jan 22 9:05 am

Roddick is bounced. Loses in 4 sets.

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Postby Hobey Baker » Sun Jan 29 5:26 pm

Federer wins Austrailian Open. This guy is a machine! Mauresmo wins the women's title.

Federer is half way to tying Pete's 14 Grand Slam titles.

Roger has now won 3 Grand Slams in a row. If he wins the French, will they call it the Roger Slam because he will hold all four major titles at one time but not in the same calendar year?

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Postby Kessel Guy » Tue Feb 07 9:40 pm

Anyone see Hingis knockoff Shirapova?

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Postby Hobey Baker » Wed Feb 15 8:40 am

USA advances in Davis Cup, with a 4 - 1 victory over Romania. Next up is Chile.

Anyone see that at age 47, Johnny Mac is making a comeback in an ATP tournament this week (doubles only)? He is playing doubles with Jonas Bjorkman.

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Postby Kessel Guy » Fri Feb 17 3:35 pm

Mac wins his match 6 - 3, 6 -3.

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Postby Hobey Baker » Sun Feb 19 9:27 am

I saw that Johnny Mac won his second match with Bjorkman. I used to love watching this guy play.

At age 47, John McEnroe is back in the winners circle. Bjorkman and McEnroe teamed to win the event in San Jose.

Great story and good for tennis. I hope he plays Wimbledon and the US Open (obviously he needs the right partner).

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Postby Kessel Guy » Sat Mar 04 4:06 pm

Nadal beat Federer to win Dubai. The loss ended Federer's 56 match hard court winning streak.

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Postby Hobey Baker » Tue Mar 14 12:02 pm

Did anyone see that Borg is selling his 5 Wimbeldon trophies and a couple of autograpghed raquets that he used because of financial issues? Agassi is looking at putting a group together to buy the trophies. Agassi doesn't want the trophies getting into the wrong hands. He feels that the only way to get the trophy is to win it, not buy it. Obviouly Andre is thinking of putting the trophies into a museum.

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Postby Kessel Guy » Sun Apr 09 8:22 am

Bryan brothers win to give the US a 2 -1 lead in the Davis Cup this weekend.

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Postby Hobey Baker » Sun May 14 3:48 pm

Nadal beats Federer again and wins his 53th straight match on the clay.

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Postby dock » Sun May 21 1:13 pm

Nice story/comback for Martina Hingis as she wins the Italian Open.

http://sports.yahoo.com/ten

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Postby Hobey Baker » Tue May 30 1:23 pm

Roddick out of the French. After losing the first two sets, Roddick retired in the third with and ankle injury.

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Postby Ben » Tue May 30 1:30 pm

To quote the detestable Phil Jackson yet again, "Meow, meow."

Take your whoopin like a man.

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Postby Hobey Baker » Wed May 31 11:31 am

Federer reaches the third round of the French Open.

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Postby Hobey Baker » Wed Jun 07 3:39 pm

Top 4 seeds reach the semi's of the French (first time since 1985). I am hoping for a Nadal v Federer final.

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Postby GopherRube21 » Wed Jun 07 4:22 pm

Hobey Baker wrote:Top 4 seeds reach the semi's of the French (first time since 1985). I am hoping for a Nadal v Federer final.




I hear ya there, I am thinking we are all hoping for that final, cuz it will be one hell of a final for the French Open

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Postby Hobey Baker » Fri Jun 09 2:26 pm

French Open Final! Nadal v Federer. Sunday Morning! Even if you are not a tennis fan, check this out. It should be great viewing.

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Postby GopherRube21 » Fri Jun 09 2:28 pm

Hobey Baker wrote:French Open Final! Nadal v Federer. Sunday Morning! Even if you are not a tennis fan, check this out. It should be great viewing.




We all got our wish :D . . . this will be one hell of a final and like you said if your not a fan, it's still a hell of a show to see this

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Postby Hobey Baker » Sat Jun 10 8:16 am

8:00 am on NBC.

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Postby Hobey Baker » Sun Jun 11 12:13 pm

Nadal in 4 sets. Nadal was tough and kept the pressure on Federer. I thought Federer was not aggressive enough. Nadal's record vs Federer is 6 - 1. The six wins are on clay courts and the lone loss on the hard court.


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