Hammy wrote:IMO, Lebron has no balls. Maybe he'll get the rings and he'll have the money. But nobody is going to see him as among the very all time greats because of his lack of balls. He is a follower. Not a leader.

Hammy wrote:IMO, Lebron has no balls. Maybe he'll get the rings and he'll have the money. But nobody is going to see him as among the very all time greats because of his lack of balls. He is a follower. Not a leader.
Next Crosby wrote:Hammy wrote:IMO, Lebron has no balls. Maybe he'll get the rings and he'll have the money. But nobody is going to see him as among the very all time greats because of his lack of balls. He is a follower. Not a leader.
Who cares, rings and money are better.

Next Crosby wrote:Hammy wrote:IMO, Lebron has no balls. Maybe he'll get the rings and he'll have the money. But nobody is going to see him as among the very all time greats because of his lack of balls. He is a follower. Not a leader.
Who cares, rings and money are better.
BlueBandit24 wrote:Next Crosby wrote:Hammy wrote:IMO, Lebron has no balls. Maybe he'll get the rings and he'll have the money. But nobody is going to see him as among the very all time greats because of his lack of balls. He is a follower. Not a leader.
Who cares, rings and money are better.
He actually took less money to play in Miami. LeBron is the only one who has to live with his decision, and if he wants to chase a ring this early in his career, that's his choice. However, his legend is crushed. No longer will he be mentioned in the same breath as the all-time greats when his career is over. Call me old-fashioned, but I don't think any championship that Miami wins won't be very special; it all seems so carefully constructed. The journey to the destination will not be very fulfilling.
Dances With Gophers wrote:Next Crosby wrote:Hammy wrote:IMO, Lebron has no balls. Maybe he'll get the rings and he'll have the money. But nobody is going to see him as among the very all time greats because of his lack of balls. He is a follower. Not a leader.
Who cares, rings and money are better.
That's, like, the rallying cry for your entire generation.
Bushwood Gopher wrote:BlueBandit24 wrote:Next Crosby wrote:Hammy wrote:IMO, Lebron has no balls. Maybe he'll get the rings and he'll have the money. But nobody is going to see him as among the very all time greats because of his lack of balls. He is a follower. Not a leader.
Who cares, rings and money are better.
He actually took less money to play in Miami. LeBron is the only one who has to live with his decision, and if he wants to chase a ring this early in his career, that's his choice. However, his legend is crushed. No longer will he be mentioned in the same breath as the all-time greats when his career is over. Call me old-fashioned, but I don't think any championship that Miami wins won't be very special; it all seems so carefully constructed. The journey to the destination will not be very fulfilling.
I thought that too about the money originally but I've read reports where Cleveland & Miami worked out a sign and trade that allows LeBron to basically make the same max cap $$$ in Miami as he would've in Cleveland.
http://nba.fanhouse.com/2010/07/10/cavs ... aft-picks/
BlueBandit24 wrote:Next Crosby wrote:Hammy wrote:IMO, Lebron has no balls. Maybe he'll get the rings and he'll have the money. But nobody is going to see him as among the very all time greats because of his lack of balls. He is a follower. Not a leader.
Who cares, rings and money are better.
He actually took less money to play in Miami. LeBron is the only one who has to live with his decision, and if he wants to chase a ring this early in his career, that's his choice. However, his legend is crushed. No longer will he be mentioned in the same breath as the all-time greats when his career is over. Call me old-fashioned, but I don't think any championship that Miami wins won't be very special; it all seems so carefully constructed. The journey to the destination will not be very fulfilling.
Hobey Baker wrote:Handyman wrote:Do you guys really think he cares what Barkley or Jordan thinks? LeBron has money, and most likely is going to win a title or two, in the end he is happy as hell. All he wants is a title, that wasnt happening in Cleveland and everyone knew it.
You are right in saying "he doesn't care" but Lebron has damaged himself in mosts eyes and has tarnished the title he might win by making this move. The NBA elders basically are calling him out and saying he didn't do the right thing!!!
The other issue is that it could have happened in Cleveland. The team has gone to the finals and has been a power in the East. Probably needed a little more time to tweak the roster going back to Barkley's point .. make the guys come to you. He has made himself a a role player instead of "the man".

BlueBandit24 wrote:Next Crosby wrote:Hammy wrote:IMO, Lebron has no balls. Maybe he'll get the rings and he'll have the money. But nobody is going to see him as among the very all time greats because of his lack of balls. He is a follower. Not a leader.
Who cares, rings and money are better.
He actually took less money to play in Miami. LeBron is the only one who has to live with his decision, and if he wants to chase a ring this early in his career, that's his choice. However, his legend is crushed. No longer will he be mentioned in the same breath as the all-time greats when his career is over. Call me old-fashioned, but I don't think any championship that Miami wins will be very special; it all seems so carefully constructed. The journey to the destination will not be very fulfilling.

BlueBandit24 wrote:Bushwood Gopher wrote:BlueBandit24 wrote:Next Crosby wrote:Hammy wrote:IMO, Lebron has no balls. Maybe he'll get the rings and he'll have the money. But nobody is going to see him as among the very all time greats because of his lack of balls. He is a follower. Not a leader.
Who cares, rings and money are better.
He actually took less money to play in Miami. LeBron is the only one who has to live with his decision, and if he wants to chase a ring this early in his career, that's his choice. However, his legend is crushed. No longer will he be mentioned in the same breath as the all-time greats when his career is over. Call me old-fashioned, but I don't think any championship that Miami wins won't be very special; it all seems so carefully constructed. The journey to the destination will not be very fulfilling.
I thought that too about the money originally but I've read reports where Cleveland & Miami worked out a sign and trade that allows LeBron to basically make the same max cap $$$ in Miami as he would've in Cleveland.
http://nba.fanhouse.com/2010/07/10/cavs ... aft-picks/
Interesting. I never saw that. Nor did I apparently see the blatant double-negative I used in my post. Ouch.
Handyman wrote:Hobey Baker wrote:Handyman wrote:Do you guys really think he cares what Barkley or Jordan thinks? LeBron has money, and most likely is going to win a title or two, in the end he is happy as hell. All he wants is a title, that wasnt happening in Cleveland and everyone knew it.
You are right in saying "he doesn't care" but Lebron has damaged himself in mosts eyes and has tarnished the title he might win by making this move. The NBA elders basically are calling him out and saying he didn't do the right thing!!!
The other issue is that it could have happened in Cleveland. The team has gone to the finals and has been a power in the East. Probably needed a little more time to tweak the roster going back to Barkley's point .. make the guys come to you. He has made himself a a role player instead of "the man".
He tried, the free agents said no to going to Cleveland. Chris Bosh said it publically before signing with Miami. No one wants to play in that city, and it would take a lot for those players to be good enough to beat the Lakers.
And like Barkley should talk...I know everyone loves him because he says whats on his mind but he didn't go to play in Houston to be the star, he went there to try and win a title with Hakeem the Dream and Clyde Drexler. On this topic he is a complete fraud.
Next Crosby wrote:If Lebron wins one his case will be justified. I don't like the guy but I'm not gonna knock his decision.
Hammy wrote:Next Crosby wrote:If Lebron wins one his case will be justified. I don't like the guy but I'm not gonna knock his decision.
Guys of that ilk tend to be ultra-competitive and want to measure themselves among the all time greats. Their mentality/ego is just as much about what their legacy is. The very best of the best don't think like the average rube.
Lebron has been a complete clusterf**k when it comes to handling his situation this off-season. Yeah, he'll get his cash and he might get some rings if it works out. But he'll never be looked at in the same way as Jordan, Magic, Bird, etc because he has made himself look like he has to ride coattails to get over the hump. I recognize those all time greats had some very good players on their team too... the difference is they were the ones that stirred the drink for their team from day one and they stayed with that team through thick and thin. Especially Jordan.
Lebron looks like a guy who would prefer to defer to some other player who has already won a title than a guy who has the guts to "be the man" on his own.
Hobey Baker wrote:
Also, Lebron handled things so poorly (PR wise) that he will take a beating for a long time.

Handyman wrote:BlueBandit24 wrote:Next Crosby wrote:Hammy wrote:IMO, Lebron has no balls. Maybe he'll get the rings and he'll have the money. But nobody is going to see him as among the very all time greats because of his lack of balls. He is a follower. Not a leader.
Who cares, rings and money are better.
He actually took less money to play in Miami. LeBron is the only one who has to live with his decision, and if he wants to chase a ring this early in his career, that's his choice. However, his legend is crushed. No longer will he be mentioned in the same breath as the all-time greats when his career is over. Call me old-fashioned, but I don't think any championship that Miami wins will be very special; it all seems so carefully constructed. The journey to the destination will not be very fulfilling.
So then you feel the same way about Garnett winning one in Boston?


Garnett was a dick, it was covered up for years because the T-Wolves needed him to be the face of the franchise.
Hobey Baker wrote:How do we compare KG and LeBron? Are you comparing his attitude and actions behind the scene or the fact that he went to Boston?

Handyman wrote:Hobey Baker wrote:How do we compare KG and LeBron? Are you comparing his attitude and actions behind the scene or the fact that he went to Boston?
I am comparing the fact that both were thought of as stars, the "Man" so to speak, and then both took spots on new teams (Garnett approved the trade to Boston because they were going to make moves, Lebron his Sign and trade deal to Miami) so they could both not have the burden of being the #1 guy and hopefully win a title. It is the same scenario, they both left franchises that could win regular season games but not playoff games in towns that most NBA players would sooner avoid to go to teams with legit shots at winning.
Forget their personalities or that fact that both have egos the size of the IDS Tower this is about their motives. Garnett enhanced his legend by taking a backseat to Pierce and Allen and winning. The same will happen with Lebron. And a decade from now assuming the Heat win a couple, no one will care about his little ego driven BS or that he let Wade lead the team. That is just the nature of sports. Does anyone still hate Elway for his antics when he was drafted? What about Kobe? No one cares...winning is all that matters.
Handyman wrote:
Lebron looks like a tool now, and to be honest he is a tool, but if he helps the heat win no one will care in the end.
sunbone wrote:
I still hate Kobe and Elway.

Handyman wrote:Hobey Baker wrote:How do we compare KG and LeBron? Are you comparing his attitude and actions behind the scene or the fact that he went to Boston?
I am comparing the fact that both were thought of as stars, the "Man" so to speak, and then both took spots on new teams (Garnett approved the trade to Boston because they were going to make moves, Lebron his Sign and trade deal to Miami) so they could both not have the burden of being the #1 guy and hopefully win a title.
jallengarry wrote:Kahn fined $50,000 for talk of Beasley’s drug use
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=AjmlvB85cZiXcq.eEOVffag5nYcB?slug=ap-timberwolves-kahnfined

Hobey Baker wrote:Reports and rumors out there that TMac and Shaq are interested in joining Miami.

The video of the 20-year-old NBA Rookie of the Year was shot from a plane on Memorial Day weekend.
After being stopped by police, Evans was arrested at gunpoint.

Dances With Gophers wrote:Kings' Evans caught at 120-130 mphThe video of the 20-year-old NBA Rookie of the Year was shot from a plane on Memorial Day weekend.
After being stopped by police, Evans was arrested at gunpoint.
At gunpoint? Really?

gopherguy06 wrote:Shaq signs with Celtics..
gopherguy06 wrote:Shaq signs with Celtics..
Rubio dismissed the notion that he did not want to play for Minnesota, one of the league’s smaller markets.
“Everyone is talking like Minneapolis is not a good city to live, but I think that it’s a great city to live,” he said. “O.K., the weather is not so good. But there’s a lot of things to do there, a lot of sports to watch and centers to go. I think it’s a great city.”

CLEVELAND, Ohio -- It was horrible timing by a company called Perfect Timing Inc.
The Wisconsin company printed and shipped a 2011 Cleveland Cavaliers calendar featuring LeBron James on the cover
psych wrote:Dances With Gophers wrote:Kings' Evans caught at 120-130 mphThe video of the 20-year-old NBA Rookie of the Year was shot from a plane on Memorial Day weekend.
After being stopped by police, Evans was arrested at gunpoint.
At gunpoint? Really?
They didn't arrest him at gunpoint because he is black did they? Oh wait, they did.![]()
st8ofhockey wrote:
All you need to know:CLEVELAND, Ohio -- It was horrible timing by a company called Perfect Timing Inc.
The Wisconsin company printed and shipped a 2011 Cleveland Cavaliers calendar featuring LeBron James on the cover
Golden FE Ranger wrote:psych wrote:Dances With Gophers wrote:Kings' Evans caught at 120-130 mphThe video of the 20-year-old NBA Rookie of the Year was shot from a plane on Memorial Day weekend.
After being stopped by police, Evans was arrested at gunpoint.
At gunpoint? Really?
They didn't arrest him at gunpoint because he is black did they? Oh wait, they did.![]()
I would like you to explain how you know this.


Armadillo wrote:Golden FE Ranger wrote:psych wrote:Dances With Gophers wrote:Kings' Evans caught at 120-130 mphThe video of the 20-year-old NBA Rookie of the Year was shot from a plane on Memorial Day weekend.
After being stopped by police, Evans was arrested at gunpoint.
At gunpoint? Really?
They didn't arrest him at gunpoint because he is black did they? Oh wait, they did.![]()
I would like you to explain how you know this.
Border Gopher wrote:Toughest. Project. Ever.
And I really do mean that.
Golden FE Ranger wrote:Border Gopher wrote:Toughest. Project. Ever.
And I really do mean that.
What was that class again, Magic 301?
gopherhockeyfan7 wrote:There are 15 total games so if you attend most or all of the games it's a pretty good deal.
st8ofhockey wrote:gopherhockeyfan7 wrote:There are 15 total games so if you attend most or all of the games it's a pretty good deal.
I love how $2 a game is still a tough sell with the lumber pups

Slap Shot wrote:82-1
Next Crosby wrote:Slap Shot wrote:82-1
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NBA plays 83 games? 81-1 sounds more like it.
st8ofhockey wrote:Next Crosby wrote:Slap Shot wrote:82-1
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NBA plays 83 games? 81-1 sounds more like it.
What is this NBA you speak of? I did a Google Search and something came up about Nitrobenzyl Alcohol and the National Bank Act of 1865...
sunbone wrote:st8ofhockey wrote:Next Crosby wrote:Slap Shot wrote:82-1
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NBA plays 83 games? 81-1 sounds more like it.
What is this NBA you speak of? I did a Google Search and something came up about Nitrobenzyl Alcohol and the National Bank Act of 1865...
I think anybody that knows how many games are in an NBA season should be banned from this board.
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st8ofhockey wrote:I thin Jup needs to ammend the site registration page:![]()
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“I am aware there was a major miscommunication regarding something I said on the court last night. My comment to Charlie Villanueva was in fact ‘You are cancerous to your team and our league.’ I would never be insensitive to the brave struggle that cancer patients endure. I have lost loved ones to this deadly disease and have a family member currently undergoing treatment. I would never say anything that distasteful. The game of life is far bigger than the game of basketball.”
The Magic won 128-86, the largest margin of defeat in team history.

Zwak wrote:Charlie Villanueva tweeted that KG referred to him as a cancer patient during a game. KG released the following statement in response.“I am aware there was a major miscommunication regarding something I said on the court last night. My comment to Charlie Villanueva was in fact ‘You are cancerous to your team and our league.’ I would never be insensitive to the brave struggle that cancer patients endure. I have lost loved ones to this deadly disease and have a family member currently undergoing treatment. I would never say anything that distasteful. The game of life is far bigger than the game of basketball.”
Yep, that statement totally sounds like something KG would say. No help from a publicist there.
sunbone wrote:Zwak wrote:Charlie Villanueva tweeted that KG referred to him as a cancer patient during a game. KG released the following statement in response.“I am aware there was a major miscommunication regarding something I said on the court last night. My comment to Charlie Villanueva was in fact ‘You are cancerous to your team and our league.’ I would never be insensitive to the brave struggle that cancer patients endure. I have lost loved ones to this deadly disease and have a family member currently undergoing treatment. I would never say anything that distasteful. The game of life is far bigger than the game of basketball.”
Yep, that statement totally sounds like something KG would say. No help from a publicist there.
Yeah, that explanation was ridiculous. And KG is definitely an a-hole. But does anybody else feel like Villanueva is a total weinie for ratting KG out? All sorts of stuff gets said in the heat of the battle, no need to cry about it.
Jupiter wrote:I am not an NBA fan at all and rarely come in here. But....
This is the oldest "active" thread on GPL. It goes back to May 03, 2005.
MINNEAPOLIS -- Kevin Love grabbed a franchise-record 31 rebounds and scored 31 points, the NBA's first 30-30 game in 28 years, and the Minnesota Timberwolves rallied from a 21-point, third-quarter deficit to stun the New York Knicks 112-103 on Friday night.
Love grabbed 15 boards in the third quarter alone to will the Timberwolves to victory. Moses Malone was the last player to do it with 32 points and 38 rebounds for Houston against Seattle in 1982.

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