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Postby Hammy » Mon 7/19/10 12:24 pm

IMO, Lebron has no balls. Maybe he'll get the rings and he'll have the money. But nobody is going to see him as among the very all time greats because of his lack of balls. He is a follower. Not a leader.
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Postby Dances With Gophers » Mon 7/19/10 2:18 pm

Hammy wrote:IMO, Lebron has no balls. Maybe he'll get the rings and he'll have the money. But nobody is going to see him as among the very all time greats because of his lack of balls. He is a follower. Not a leader.

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Re: Wolves / NBA:

Postby Next Crosby » Mon 7/19/10 4:36 pm

Hammy wrote:IMO, Lebron has no balls. Maybe he'll get the rings and he'll have the money. But nobody is going to see him as among the very all time greats because of his lack of balls. He is a follower. Not a leader.


Who cares, rings and money are better.
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Re: Wolves / NBA:

Postby Dances With Gophers » Mon 7/19/10 4:42 pm

Next Crosby wrote:
Hammy wrote:IMO, Lebron has no balls. Maybe he'll get the rings and he'll have the money. But nobody is going to see him as among the very all time greats because of his lack of balls. He is a follower. Not a leader.


Who cares, rings and money are better.

That's, like, the rallying cry for your entire generation. :no:
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Re: Wolves / NBA:

Postby BlueBandit24 » Mon 7/19/10 5:05 pm

Next Crosby wrote:
Hammy wrote:IMO, Lebron has no balls. Maybe he'll get the rings and he'll have the money. But nobody is going to see him as among the very all time greats because of his lack of balls. He is a follower. Not a leader.


Who cares, rings and money are better.


He actually took less money to play in Miami. LeBron is the only one who has to live with his decision, and if he wants to chase a ring this early in his career, that's his choice. However, his legend is crushed. No longer will he be mentioned in the same breath as the all-time greats when his career is over. Call me old-fashioned, but I don't think any championship that Miami wins will be very special; it all seems so carefully constructed. The journey to the destination will not be very fulfilling.
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Re: Wolves / NBA:

Postby Bushwood Gopher » Mon 7/19/10 5:12 pm

BlueBandit24 wrote:
Next Crosby wrote:
Hammy wrote:IMO, Lebron has no balls. Maybe he'll get the rings and he'll have the money. But nobody is going to see him as among the very all time greats because of his lack of balls. He is a follower. Not a leader.


Who cares, rings and money are better.


He actually took less money to play in Miami. LeBron is the only one who has to live with his decision, and if he wants to chase a ring this early in his career, that's his choice. However, his legend is crushed. No longer will he be mentioned in the same breath as the all-time greats when his career is over. Call me old-fashioned, but I don't think any championship that Miami wins won't be very special; it all seems so carefully constructed. The journey to the destination will not be very fulfilling.


I thought that too about the money originally but I've read reports where Cleveland & Miami worked out a sign and trade that allows LeBron to basically make the same max cap $$$ in Miami as he would've in Cleveland.

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Re: Wolves / NBA:

Postby Next Crosby » Mon 7/19/10 5:26 pm

Dances With Gophers wrote:
Next Crosby wrote:
Hammy wrote:IMO, Lebron has no balls. Maybe he'll get the rings and he'll have the money. But nobody is going to see him as among the very all time greats because of his lack of balls. He is a follower. Not a leader.


Who cares, rings and money are better.

That's, like, the rallying cry for your entire generation. :no:

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Cause winning and greed was started by our generation. :roll: Your showing your age with such an ignorant post.
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Re: Wolves / NBA:

Postby BlueBandit24 » Mon 7/19/10 5:27 pm

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BlueBandit24 wrote:
Next Crosby wrote:
Hammy wrote:IMO, Lebron has no balls. Maybe he'll get the rings and he'll have the money. But nobody is going to see him as among the very all time greats because of his lack of balls. He is a follower. Not a leader.


Who cares, rings and money are better.


He actually took less money to play in Miami. LeBron is the only one who has to live with his decision, and if he wants to chase a ring this early in his career, that's his choice. However, his legend is crushed. No longer will he be mentioned in the same breath as the all-time greats when his career is over. Call me old-fashioned, but I don't think any championship that Miami wins won't be very special; it all seems so carefully constructed. The journey to the destination will not be very fulfilling.


I thought that too about the money originally but I've read reports where Cleveland & Miami worked out a sign and trade that allows LeBron to basically make the same max cap $$$ in Miami as he would've in Cleveland.

http://nba.fanhouse.com/2010/07/10/cavs ... aft-picks/


Interesting. I never saw that. Nor did I apparently see the blatant double-negative I used in my post. Ouch.
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Re: Wolves / NBA:

Postby Next Crosby » Mon 7/19/10 5:32 pm

BlueBandit24 wrote:
Next Crosby wrote:
Hammy wrote:IMO, Lebron has no balls. Maybe he'll get the rings and he'll have the money. But nobody is going to see him as among the very all time greats because of his lack of balls. He is a follower. Not a leader.


Who cares, rings and money are better.


He actually took less money to play in Miami. LeBron is the only one who has to live with his decision, and if he wants to chase a ring this early in his career, that's his choice. However, his legend is crushed. No longer will he be mentioned in the same breath as the all-time greats when his career is over. Call me old-fashioned, but I don't think any championship that Miami wins won't be very special; it all seems so carefully constructed. The journey to the destination will not be very fulfilling.


Same with the Yankee's and Cowboy's cause they buy their rings, I could give a rat's ass if LeBron and the Heat win 6 championships but to say they're greedy for wanting to win so down right laughable. If Lebron wins one his case will be justified. I don't like the guy but I'm not gonna knock his decision.
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Re: Wolves / NBA:

Postby Handyman » Mon 7/19/10 9:33 pm

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Handyman wrote:Do you guys really think he cares what Barkley or Jordan thinks? LeBron has money, and most likely is going to win a title or two, in the end he is happy as hell. All he wants is a title, that wasnt happening in Cleveland and everyone knew it.


You are right in saying "he doesn't care" but Lebron has damaged himself in mosts eyes and has tarnished the title he might win by making this move. The NBA elders basically are calling him out and saying he didn't do the right thing!!!

The other issue is that it could have happened in Cleveland. The team has gone to the finals and has been a power in the East. Probably needed a little more time to tweak the roster going back to Barkley's point .. make the guys come to you. He has made himself a a role player instead of "the man".


He tried, the free agents said no to going to Cleveland. Chris Bosh said it publically before signing with Miami. No one wants to play in that city, and it would take a lot for those players to be good enough to beat the Lakers.

And like Barkley should talk...I know everyone loves him because he says whats on his mind but he didn't go to play in Houston to be the star, he went there to try and win a title with Hakeem the Dream and Clyde Drexler. On this topic he is a complete fraud.
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Re: Wolves / NBA:

Postby Handyman » Mon 7/19/10 9:38 pm

BlueBandit24 wrote:
Next Crosby wrote:
Hammy wrote:IMO, Lebron has no balls. Maybe he'll get the rings and he'll have the money. But nobody is going to see him as among the very all time greats because of his lack of balls. He is a follower. Not a leader.


Who cares, rings and money are better.


He actually took less money to play in Miami. LeBron is the only one who has to live with his decision, and if he wants to chase a ring this early in his career, that's his choice. However, his legend is crushed. No longer will he be mentioned in the same breath as the all-time greats when his career is over. Call me old-fashioned, but I don't think any championship that Miami wins will be very special; it all seems so carefully constructed. The journey to the destination will not be very fulfilling.


So then you feel the same way about Garnett winning one in Boston? Because it is the same thing...Garnett approved the trade because Boston was going to bring in superstar players who could take the burden of being the star off of him. (because, face it, he wasnt a superstar he was a real good player on some mediocre to average teams) How much has that hurt him and his legacy since then? (it hasnt, he is even a bigger god now)

When Lebron retires he will be hated, but he will also be a hall of famer and champion (and record breaker) most likely. If people don't like him I am sure he will find a way to survive just like Derek Jeter does.

BTw I hate Lebron and how he (and Kobe) represents everything that is wrong with the NBA today. That said I think people are going over the top in their ripping of him.
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Re: Wolves / NBA:

Postby davescharf » Mon 7/19/10 10:55 pm

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Bushwood Gopher wrote:
BlueBandit24 wrote:
Next Crosby wrote:
Hammy wrote:IMO, Lebron has no balls. Maybe he'll get the rings and he'll have the money. But nobody is going to see him as among the very all time greats because of his lack of balls. He is a follower. Not a leader.


Who cares, rings and money are better.


He actually took less money to play in Miami. LeBron is the only one who has to live with his decision, and if he wants to chase a ring this early in his career, that's his choice. However, his legend is crushed. No longer will he be mentioned in the same breath as the all-time greats when his career is over. Call me old-fashioned, but I don't think any championship that Miami wins won't be very special; it all seems so carefully constructed. The journey to the destination will not be very fulfilling.


I thought that too about the money originally but I've read reports where Cleveland & Miami worked out a sign and trade that allows LeBron to basically make the same max cap $$$ in Miami as he would've in Cleveland.

http://nba.fanhouse.com/2010/07/10/cavs ... aft-picks/


Interesting. I never saw that. Nor did I apparently see the blatant double-negative I used in my post. Ouch.



I only know this because Mike and Mike seem to think no other sport exists besides basketball, but the sign and trade allows Lebron to get larger maximum raises every year (on a percentage basis) than if they hadn't done the sign and trade.
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Re: Wolves / NBA:

Postby Hobey Baker » Tue 7/20/10 1:11 pm

Handyman wrote:
Hobey Baker wrote:
Handyman wrote:Do you guys really think he cares what Barkley or Jordan thinks? LeBron has money, and most likely is going to win a title or two, in the end he is happy as hell. All he wants is a title, that wasnt happening in Cleveland and everyone knew it.


You are right in saying "he doesn't care" but Lebron has damaged himself in mosts eyes and has tarnished the title he might win by making this move. The NBA elders basically are calling him out and saying he didn't do the right thing!!!

The other issue is that it could have happened in Cleveland. The team has gone to the finals and has been a power in the East. Probably needed a little more time to tweak the roster going back to Barkley's point .. make the guys come to you. He has made himself a a role player instead of "the man".


He tried, the free agents said no to going to Cleveland. Chris Bosh said it publically before signing with Miami. No one wants to play in that city, and it would take a lot for those players to be good enough to beat the Lakers.

And like Barkley should talk...I know everyone loves him because he says whats on his mind but he didn't go to play in Houston to be the star, he went there to try and win a title with Hakeem the Dream and Clyde Drexler. On this topic he is a complete fraud.


Please, Barkley did that at the end of his career like Malone did with the Lakers. They didn't move teams (unless traded) when they were dominating or MVP's. Was Bosh the only free agent who could have helped Cleveland?? What about making a trade. Cleveland won 120 games the last two regular seasons and wasn't far off. Remember Shaq got hurt before the playoffs started and wasn't full steam for the playoffs.

IMO, you are dead wrong on this. Cleveland was a contender and would have been every year as long as Lebron was on the team. As i said earlier, the team needed to be tweaked not over hauled.

Also, Lebron handled things so poorly (PR wise) that he will take a beating for a long time.
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Re: Wolves / NBA:

Postby Hammy » Tue 7/20/10 1:26 pm

Next Crosby wrote:If Lebron wins one his case will be justified. I don't like the guy but I'm not gonna knock his decision.


Guys of that ilk tend to be ultra-competitive and want to measure themselves among the all time greats. Their mentality/ego is just as much about what their legacy is. The very best of the best don't think like the average rube.

Lebron has been a complete clusterf**k when it comes to handling his situation this off-season. Yeah, he'll get his cash and he might get some rings if it works out. But he'll never be looked at in the same way as Jordan, Magic, Bird, etc because he has made himself look like he has to ride coattails to get over the hump. I recognize those all time greats had some very good players on their team too... the difference is they were the ones that stirred the drink for their team from day one and they stayed with that team through thick and thin. Especially Jordan.

Lebron looks like a guy who would prefer to defer to some other player who has already won a title than a guy who has the guts to "be the man" on his own.
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Re: Wolves / NBA:

Postby Hobey Baker » Tue 7/20/10 1:32 pm

Hammy wrote:
Next Crosby wrote:If Lebron wins one his case will be justified. I don't like the guy but I'm not gonna knock his decision.


Guys of that ilk tend to be ultra-competitive and want to measure themselves among the all time greats. Their mentality/ego is just as much about what their legacy is. The very best of the best don't think like the average rube.

Lebron has been a complete clusterf**k when it comes to handling his situation this off-season. Yeah, he'll get his cash and he might get some rings if it works out. But he'll never be looked at in the same way as Jordan, Magic, Bird, etc because he has made himself look like he has to ride coattails to get over the hump. I recognize those all time greats had some very good players on their team too... the difference is they were the ones that stirred the drink for their team from day one and they stayed with that team through thick and thin. Especially Jordan.

Lebron looks like a guy who would prefer to defer to some other player who has already won a title than a guy who has the guts to "be the man" on his own.


Well said and perfectly stated!

Lets look at Kobe. His titles early on were all about Shaq and the duo. His last couple are viewed as his becasue he was the man and it was his team. It has added to his stature in the game.
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Re: Wolves / NBA:

Postby Handyman » Tue 7/20/10 2:18 pm

Hobey Baker wrote:
Also, Lebron handled things so poorly (PR wise) that he will take a beating for a long time.


LeBron handled it like a moron, but no one will care in two years. Christ Kobe raped (allegedly...like OJ allegedly killed his wife) a girl and would fly from the trial to the Finals where people cheered him on. Now he is talked about as one of the greatest players of all time. No one cares. Why do you think Clem Haskins was cheered when he showed up at Williams Arena...fans conveniently forget the truth.

Who could Cleveland have gotten? Bosh said no, Wade wasnt going to leave Miami, Stoudamire signed with NY and they werent going to get Boozer. So who? Mike Miller? Sorry but when Bosh signed in Miami they moved past Miami, Boston was obviously better and so is Orlando. Lebron and a bunch of misfits isnt going to win a title...not when you face the Lakers out of the West.

And I say again, what is wrong with deferring? KG went to Boston and defers all the way to the Title and becomes a demigod. Is the only difference that Lebron held a ridiculous press conference/1 hour special about this? This smacks of the Sconnie fans that whined because Kessel made the announcement on TV.
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Re: Wolves / NBA:

Postby Slap Shot » Tue 7/20/10 7:04 pm

Handyman wrote:
BlueBandit24 wrote:
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Hammy wrote:IMO, Lebron has no balls. Maybe he'll get the rings and he'll have the money. But nobody is going to see him as among the very all time greats because of his lack of balls. He is a follower. Not a leader.


Who cares, rings and money are better.


He actually took less money to play in Miami. LeBron is the only one who has to live with his decision, and if he wants to chase a ring this early in his career, that's his choice. However, his legend is crushed. No longer will he be mentioned in the same breath as the all-time greats when his career is over. Call me old-fashioned, but I don't think any championship that Miami wins will be very special; it all seems so carefully constructed. The journey to the destination will not be very fulfilling.


So then you feel the same way about Garnett winning one in Boston?


If Garnett wasn't in management's ear demanding they bring in players that eventually would suck, and kept his mouth shut after he left while ignoring as much, I wouldn't care that he left and would have wished him well.
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Postby Handyman » Tue 7/20/10 11:23 pm

Garnett was a dick, it was covered up for years because the T-Wolves needed him to be the face of the franchise. That is why you still see people wearing Garnett Boston Jerseys. That said, he only gained legitimacy by going to Boston and being part of the Big 3. People dont look down on him for leaving Minnesota for the chance of a title. He is the exact same player he was, a good shooter, great defender and a guy who disappears in the 4th quarter but yet he has a ring so he is beloved. (I am talking elsewhere not here) In the end the average fan likes a winner.

Lebron looks like a tool now, and to be honest he is a tool, but if he helps the heat win no one will care in the end.
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Postby Bushwood Gopher » Wed 7/21/10 12:41 am

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/blog/ball_d ... nba,256186

This is a classic interview with Kahn on several levels, not the least of which is Chris Webber's line at the end of the video....
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Postby Handyman » Wed 7/21/10 11:36 am

Ya know if Glen Taylor actually cared about the team (or well more than 1000 people in this town) that might be a pretty big deal. Since none of that is true it will be vastly ignored.

Which is good for Kahn, in a real basketball market he would be burned at the stake.
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Postby Hobey Baker » Thu 7/22/10 11:05 am

How do we compare KG and LeBron? Are you comparing his attitude and actions behind the scene or the fact that he went to Boston?
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Postby Don Adams Wheel of Justice » Thu 7/22/10 11:20 am

Garnett was a dick, it was covered up for years because the T-Wolves needed him to be the face of the franchise.


This is true. A friend of mine had to deal with him when Garnett brought a sick pet to her vet clinic. Said he was a complete A-hole the whole time and never paid his bill.
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Postby Handyman » Thu 7/22/10 12:28 pm

Hobey Baker wrote:How do we compare KG and LeBron? Are you comparing his attitude and actions behind the scene or the fact that he went to Boston?


I am comparing the fact that both were thought of as stars, the "Man" so to speak, and then both took spots on new teams (Garnett approved the trade to Boston because they were going to make moves, Lebron his Sign and trade deal to Miami) so they could both not have the burden of being the #1 guy and hopefully win a title. It is the same scenario, they both left franchises that could win regular season games but not playoff games in towns that most NBA players would sooner avoid to go to teams with legit shots at winning.

Forget their personalities or that fact that both have egos the size of the IDS Tower this is about their motives. Garnett enhanced his legend by taking a backseat to Pierce and Allen and winning. The same will happen with Lebron. And a decade from now assuming the Heat win a couple, no one will care about his little ego driven BS or that he let Wade lead the team. That is just the nature of sports. Does anyone still hate Elway for his antics when he was drafted? What about Kobe? No one cares...winning is all that matters.
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Re: Wolves / NBA:

Postby sunbone » Thu 7/22/10 12:42 pm

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Hobey Baker wrote:How do we compare KG and LeBron? Are you comparing his attitude and actions behind the scene or the fact that he went to Boston?


I am comparing the fact that both were thought of as stars, the "Man" so to speak, and then both took spots on new teams (Garnett approved the trade to Boston because they were going to make moves, Lebron his Sign and trade deal to Miami) so they could both not have the burden of being the #1 guy and hopefully win a title. It is the same scenario, they both left franchises that could win regular season games but not playoff games in towns that most NBA players would sooner avoid to go to teams with legit shots at winning.

Forget their personalities or that fact that both have egos the size of the IDS Tower this is about their motives. Garnett enhanced his legend by taking a backseat to Pierce and Allen and winning. The same will happen with Lebron. And a decade from now assuming the Heat win a couple, no one will care about his little ego driven BS or that he let Wade lead the team. That is just the nature of sports. Does anyone still hate Elway for his antics when he was drafted? What about Kobe? No one cares...winning is all that matters.


I still hate Kobe and Elway. :wink:
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Re: Wolves / NBA:

Postby jallengarry » Thu 7/22/10 12:47 pm

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Lebron looks like a tool now, and to be honest he is a tool, but if he helps the heat win no one will care in the end.


Agreed. I don't buy that the legacy is crushed and he won't be considered amongst the great. What if Wade or Bosh had come to Cleveland? Then this would have been completely accepted b/c he would be "the man" and people "came to him"....please, it's the same collection of talent in the end. Let's face it Lebron isn't going to be riding anyone's coattails with his skills, he's a big, huge chunk of the coat, anywhere with anyone. This may be D Wade's team now, and DW may end up taking some huge shots, but Lebron will be an absolute beast. People are making it sound like he's gonna score 12-15 a game and have a few more assists.

Very, very few guys can win without a team around them, and I don't think any of those guys exist in the NBA right now. Mainly because the talent, league-wide and Worldwide, is much deeper now it's just hard to be that much better than your peers. A select few in history have been so, so dominant that you got the feeling no matter where they played they were going to be tough to beat. Wilt, Shaq, Magic, Bird, Jordan and maybe a select other few. The old C's vs Lakers was the NBAs finest moment b/c you and all-time greats...who both also had great supporting casts. MJ was the greatest b/c he was so dominant at his peak you got the feeling that he could almost win anywhere. Many other "great" players can go places and get really close...Malone, Lebron, Charles, etc...but nowadays...everybody needs a strong team. Cleveland wasn't strong enough. Maybe they could have built strength, but again, does it really matter if guys came there or he went to them. Hello??? Have you ever been to Cleveland...it blows.
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Postby Handyman » Thu 7/22/10 3:11 pm

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I still hate Kobe and Elway. :wink:


Yeah but that is because you are a Marino whore ;)

(I doubt that is true, but it sounded funny so I went with it!)
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Postby Slap Shot » Fri 7/23/10 6:36 pm

Handyman wrote:
Hobey Baker wrote:How do we compare KG and LeBron? Are you comparing his attitude and actions behind the scene or the fact that he went to Boston?


I am comparing the fact that both were thought of as stars, the "Man" so to speak, and then both took spots on new teams (Garnett approved the trade to Boston because they were going to make moves, Lebron his Sign and trade deal to Miami) so they could both not have the burden of being the #1 guy and hopefully win a title.


Makes me wonder that if Stehpon new Garnett didn't want to be, "the man" would he have decided to stick around? :P
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Postby psych » Fri 7/23/10 9:10 pm

jallengarry wrote:Kahn fined $50,000 for talk of Beasley’s drug use

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=AjmlvB85cZiXcq.eEOVffag5nYcB?slug=ap-timberwolves-kahnfined


:shock: Should we have a poll for what is more surprising: David Fischer not making the Canadiens team or Kahn being fined by the NBA? :wink:
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Postby Greyeagle » Sat 7/24/10 7:34 am

I'd make fun of the 'wolves but since I'm a Gopher hockey fan it would be hypocritical. :dance:
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Postby Handyman » Sat 7/24/10 1:31 pm

Dude Hamline Hockey can mock the Wolves and their ability to lower the bar ;)
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Postby Hobey Baker » Mon 7/26/10 3:12 pm

Reports and rumors out there that TMac and Shaq are interested in joining Miami.
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Postby dxmnkd316 » Mon 7/26/10 3:14 pm

Hobey Baker wrote:Reports and rumors out there that TMac and Shaq are interested in joining Miami.


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Postby Handyman » Mon 7/26/10 9:19 pm

The Shaq rumor has been out there for a while...the Heat would be morons to get TMac he is not a winner.

He should sign with the Wolves ;)
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Postby Dances With Gophers » Sun 8/01/10 12:41 pm

Kings' Evans caught at 120-130 mph

The video of the 20-year-old NBA Rookie of the Year was shot from a plane on Memorial Day weekend.

After being stopped by police, Evans was arrested at gunpoint.


At gunpoint? Really? :no:
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Postby psych » Sun 8/01/10 1:05 pm

Dances With Gophers wrote:Kings' Evans caught at 120-130 mph

The video of the 20-year-old NBA Rookie of the Year was shot from a plane on Memorial Day weekend.

After being stopped by police, Evans was arrested at gunpoint.


At gunpoint? Really? :no:


They didn't arrest him at gunpoint because he is black did they? Oh wait, they did. :gunman: :shakehead:
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Postby gopherguy06 » Wed 8/04/10 9:48 am

Shaq signs with Celtics..
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Postby Slap Shot » Wed 8/04/10 5:56 pm

gopherguy06 wrote:Shaq signs with Celtics..


Now I can't like the Celtics? :anger:
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Postby Armadillo » Wed 8/04/10 7:03 pm

gopherguy06 wrote:Shaq signs with Celtics..


And he's now played for 1/5th of the NBA. When do the Wolves get their crack?
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Postby Dances With Gophers » Sun 8/29/10 4:59 pm

Ricky Rubio at 19: The Prodigy Is Coming of Age
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Rubio dismissed the notion that he did not want to play for Minnesota, one of the league’s smaller markets.

“Everyone is talking like Minneapolis is not a good city to live, but I think that it’s a great city to live,” he said. “O.K., the weather is not so good. But there’s a lot of things to do there, a lot of sports to watch and centers to go. I think it’s a great city.”
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Postby gopherguy06 » Wed 9/15/10 10:07 am

Anyone see the long email that Kahn sent out?

Hidden Content...
Dear Fans:

As training camp approaches, I know many of you are anxious to see what this coming season will bring. We'll be better this season, but you're no doubt wondering: How much better? Fair question. And because you are vested partners in our organization and members of our Pack, I feel it's important to share with you how this busy offseason has helped our team.

At this point, I can safely say that the rebuilding of the Timberwolves roster is, at long last, nearly complete.

Well, come to think of it, it hasn't taken that long.

But I recognize it's been several seasons since our team contended for a playoff spot and you'd like results now.

Me, too.

Nevertheless, to build a team to win at the highest level, it takes time. Band-Aids and shortcuts typically aren't lasting in the NBA.

During the last 14 months, we have added several pieces to our ballclub: perimeter shooting, athleticism and length to the roster, and all while maintaining our youth. Just as important, we have done so with an eye toward adding more talent by choosing to operate under the salary cap.

The reality is, we are still lacking a dominant player - our version of Kobe Bryant, Dwyane Wade or Kevin Durant - and that will remain an item at the top of the To-Do list.

It's possible this player could emerge from within the roster. Nearly every player on our team has his best days ahead of him. Some could make an All-Star team during their careers and one has already become an impact player on the USA Men's National Team in this year's FIBA World Championships. We also have eight players currently on the roster who were selected in the top-seven of their respective drafts: Michael Beasley, Kevin Love, Wes Johnson, Jonny Flynn, Darko Milicic, Corey Brewer, Martell Webster and Ricky Rubio.

The average age of those eight players is 22.

However, if one of our players fails to emerge, we will be prepared to find more talent for our team - and we will seek a singular move rather than a series of moves, as we did these last 14 months.

Hence, the desire to operate under the salary cap.

Just as we took advantage of Miami needing to move Michael Beasley to a "room" team on short notice, I am hopeful other opportunities will come across our desk at three specific periods during the next several months:

# Before the 2011 trading deadline, when teams that are over the tax line and not playing up to their capability seek to move a star player as the first step of a rebuild;

# During the 2011 draft period, when some teams will be seeking to move salary to create room for free agency (although the class of 2011 is not nearly as attractive as the class of 2010); and

# Immediately following the announcement of the new collective bargaining agreement, in whatever form it may take.

It's been about 14 months since I took the job as President of Basketball Operations. Upon my hiring, I laid out a plan.

First, we would become a running team - it's what the fans want to watch and the players want to play. Every player we have considered adding to our roster is first evaluated based upon his ability to play an up-tempo style, and then we look for the attributes that we have been lacking: size, shooting and athleticism.

Second, we would in all likelihood become younger - that we might have to take a step backward before moving forward in order to build a team that could compete for a number of years. The decision in particular to trade Randy Foye and Mike Miller for the fifth pick in the 2009 draft no doubt cost us a handful of wins last season, but it also presented us the opportunity to draft Rubio, who doesn't turn 20 until October and who we expect to have join us in 2011.

Third, we wouldn't be outworked - that we would instill a culture in basketball operations where management, coaches and players were accountable and expected to work around the clock — around the year, really — on reviving this franchise.

Fourth, we would be as transparent as possible in making these changes and explaining the reasoning behind them. Hence, this latest letter.

Without exception, every personnel move that was made this past summer was in keeping with the vision I described in late May 2009. On the night of the draft, we added young, athletic wing players who can run and shoot in Wesley, Martell and Lazar Hayward, to complement Corey Brewer and Wayne Ellington.

Wesley was the Big East Player of the Year last season for Syracuse and was considered the best pure wing in the draft.

Martell, who is only 23 even though this will be his sixth NBA season, has been a starter for the Trail Blazers in the past. Martell often was used as a spot-up 3-point shooter in Portland but we believe he can do more things when asked.

In July, we re-signed 7-foot Darko Milicic and brought aboard 6-10 Nikola Pekovic, both of whom can change ends quickly and play at the fast pace we want. Darko turned 25 this summer and Nikola is 24 - still young, but with the necessary maturity to compete against other big men in this league.

Last season Darko earned $7.5 million in the final year of a four-year deal. He took almost a 50 percent paycut to return to the NBA. He wants to be here and we want him here. There simply aren't many centers of his size and athleticism who are capable of playing an all-around game.

Telling Darko how important he could be to our future while offering him a contract that represents a major paycut was a delicate dance. Darko understood this, too, and thus was willing to allow us some financial protection in the final year of his deal if things didn't work out. But let me be clear: we think they will work out.

Later in free agency, we took advantage of our cap room to acquire Beasley for a pair of second-round picks. Michael was the No. 1 prospect in his high school class of 2007 and averaged 26 points and 12 rebounds in his one season of college basketball at Kansas State. He is only 21, with just two years under his belt, and may prove to be our most talented player - perhaps even a 20-and-10 player. He could blossom here under Kurt's tutelage.

We also felt the time was right to trade Al Jefferson. We will miss Al. Kurt and I want this team to run and flow into a halfcourt offense that features passing and ball movement, with all five players capable of making plays for others. Though capable of playing in this offense, it doesn't play well to Al's strengths. Most important, Al would have impacted the playing time of Love, Milicic and Pekovic (and, as it developed, Beasley).

Finally, we added Luke Ridnour during free agency for a variety of reasons. Luke is more of a push-the-pace player than Ramon Sessions and also has several seasons of experience. He did a magnificent job last season both playing and mentoring Brandon Jennings in Milwaukee. I anticipate him challenging for significant playing time but also having the ability to mentor Jonny Flynn and, eventually, Rubio.

We are now a deep team, with quality backups at nearly every position. But we remain young, perhaps even the youngest team in the league. It's highly unlikely we will challenge for the NBA championship this season, but I believe we now have a collection of talent that could form most of a core nucleus that has its best days ahead.

We will be a better team next season: better because we have more shooting, athleticism and length. Better because our coaches have a year together under their collective belts. And better because we are driven to upgrade our defense, which, frankly, was abysmal last season.

Our players and coaches have been working relentlessly this offseason. All of them. We are committed to being all we can be, as soon as possible, but knowing that our best days are still to come.

Thanks for your patience.

David Kahn

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Postby Zwak » Wed 9/15/10 1:03 pm

Lebron goes from one of the most liked athletes to the 7th least liked athlete.

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Postby pjoyn » Thu 9/30/10 4:20 pm

Race played role in The Decision

No $hit. No white player would have been given an hour to tell the world where he was playing next.
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Postby SouthTexGopher » Wed 10/13/10 2:16 pm

Yes, it's real.

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Postby st8ofhockey » Wed 10/13/10 2:23 pm

SouthTexGopher wrote:Yes, it's real.

Link

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All you need to know:

CLEVELAND, Ohio -- It was horrible timing by a company called Perfect Timing Inc.

The Wisconsin company printed and shipped a 2011 Cleveland Cavaliers calendar featuring LeBron James on the cover
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Postby Golden FE Ranger » Wed 10/13/10 2:24 pm

psych wrote:
Dances With Gophers wrote:Kings' Evans caught at 120-130 mph

The video of the 20-year-old NBA Rookie of the Year was shot from a plane on Memorial Day weekend.

After being stopped by police, Evans was arrested at gunpoint.


At gunpoint? Really? :no:


They didn't arrest him at gunpoint because he is black did they? Oh wait, they did. :gunman: :shakehead:


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Postby SouthTexGopher » Wed 10/13/10 2:41 pm

st8ofhockey wrote:
SouthTexGopher wrote:Yes, it's real.

Link

:evil_laugh: Image :evil_laugh: Image :evil_laugh:

Image



All you need to know:

CLEVELAND, Ohio -- It was horrible timing by a company called Perfect Timing Inc.

The Wisconsin company printed and shipped a 2011 Cleveland Cavaliers calendar featuring LeBron James on the cover


The name of the company makes it even better. This story is a gift that keeps on giving. :mrgreen:


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Postby Armadillo » Wed 10/13/10 4:24 pm

Golden FE Ranger wrote:
psych wrote:
Dances With Gophers wrote:Kings' Evans caught at 120-130 mph

The video of the 20-year-old NBA Rookie of the Year was shot from a plane on Memorial Day weekend.

After being stopped by police, Evans was arrested at gunpoint.


At gunpoint? Really? :no:


They didn't arrest him at gunpoint because he is black did they? Oh wait, they did. :gunman: :shakehead:


I would like you to explain how you know this.

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Postby Next Crosby » Wed 10/13/10 4:49 pm

Armadillo wrote:
Golden FE Ranger wrote:
psych wrote:
Dances With Gophers wrote:Kings' Evans caught at 120-130 mph

The video of the 20-year-old NBA Rookie of the Year was shot from a plane on Memorial Day weekend.

After being stopped by police, Evans was arrested at gunpoint.


At gunpoint? Really? :no:


They didn't arrest him at gunpoint because he is black did they? Oh wait, they did. :gunman: :shakehead:


I would like you to explain how you know this.

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Postby SouthTexGopher » Wed 10/13/10 5:48 pm

If you watch the video, you'll clearly see that the police also engaged in racial profiling of the white guy who was arrested at the same time. Here's a link to the video.

To save you time, fast forward to 9:24 of the video.

Reckless driving, followed by a long pursuit will generally result in officers who are (a) upset and (b) concerned about their safety when they finally pull the car over (or get it to stop).


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Postby gopherhockeyfan7 » Tue 10/19/10 4:28 pm

(This message was also posted in the tickets thread)

Hey everybody,

I'm currently taking a sport sales class at the U and a project assigned to us is to sell tickets to Timberwolves games. Obviously the team hasn't performed well the past couple of years, but because of this you can go to games for a relatively cheap price and still have a good time (whether it be at the game or happy hour at the restaurants/bars). Plus with a young team you never know what you'll get.

The main package we are selling are aimed at current college students. College students can buy a t-shirt for $30 and that shirt will get you into all of the college night games (wednesday night home games). There are 15 total games so if you attend most or all of the games it's a pretty good deal. You would just need to wear the shirt to the game and bring a college ID. Also, the first 100 students to arrive get upgraded to the lower bowl of the arena.

We can also sell single game tickets to almost every game to anybody and avoid ticketmaster fees as well. The only games that are restricted are the Heat, Lakers, and Celtics games (they require a 10 game pack).

If you're interested on attending a game or buying a t-shirt and want to help out a current U of M student, feel free to shoot me a pm and I'll give you my email and all of the information you need.

Thanks!
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Postby Border Gopher » Tue 10/19/10 4:46 pm

Toughest. Project. Ever.

And I really do mean that. 8)
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Postby Golden FE Ranger » Tue 10/19/10 4:49 pm

Border Gopher wrote:Toughest. Project. Ever.

And I really do mean that. 8)


What was that class again, Magic 301?
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Postby Border Gopher » Tue 10/19/10 4:51 pm

I'm being serious! Who wants to pay money to see the Timberwolves!
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Postby gopherhockeyfan7 » Tue 10/19/10 8:08 pm

Golden FE Ranger wrote:
Border Gopher wrote:Toughest. Project. Ever.

And I really do mean that. 8)


What was that class again, Magic 301?


Yeah pretty much :crazy: :ahhh: :lol:

I get the point behind it though. As a Sport Management major, it's likely that I'll start out in sales and work my way to a better job.
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Postby st8ofhockey » Wed 10/20/10 8:09 am

gopherhockeyfan7 wrote:There are 15 total games so if you attend most or all of the games it's a pretty good deal.


I love how $2 a game is still a tough sell with the lumber pups :D
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Postby Dances With Gophers » Wed 10/20/10 10:12 am

st8ofhockey wrote:
gopherhockeyfan7 wrote:There are 15 total games so if you attend most or all of the games it's a pretty good deal.


I love how $2 a game is still a tough sell with the lumber pups :D

I'll go further. You couldn't PAY me $20 to watch the game for free, even if you threw in free parking, a beer, nachos, and popcorn. I can find better things to do with 4 hours (incl. transportation) of my life. Like change my daughter's diapers, do a load of laundry, and read the latest news online.
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Postby Next Crosby » Mon 10/25/10 10:41 pm



New Lebron commercial.
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Postby Next Crosby » Tue 10/26/10 12:38 pm

I'm not a big basketball fan but I gotta say I'm looking forward to watching the Heat vs. Celtics tonight, should be a entertaining game.
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Postby UncleZeb » Fri 10/29/10 9:35 pm

T-Pups with a big win over the bucks, was quite entertaining with the new talent on the team.
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Postby Slap Shot » Sat 10/30/10 8:06 am

82-1
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Postby Next Crosby » Sat 10/30/10 10:46 am

Slap Shot wrote:82-1


:confused2:

NBA plays 83 games? 81-1 sounds more like it.
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Postby st8ofhockey » Sat 10/30/10 10:54 am

Next Crosby wrote:
Slap Shot wrote:82-1


:confused2:

NBA plays 83 games? 81-1 sounds more like it.


What is this NBA you speak of? I did a Google Search and something came up about Nitrobenzyl Alcohol and the National Bank Act of 1865...
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Postby sunbone » Sat 10/30/10 11:00 am

st8ofhockey wrote:
Next Crosby wrote:
Slap Shot wrote:82-1


:confused2:

NBA plays 83 games? 81-1 sounds more like it.


What is this NBA you speak of? I did a Google Search and something came up about Nitrobenzyl Alcohol and the National Bank Act of 1865...


I think anybody that knows how many games are in an NBA season should be banned from this board.
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Postby Next Crosby » Sat 10/30/10 11:07 am

sunbone wrote:
st8ofhockey wrote:
Next Crosby wrote:
Slap Shot wrote:82-1


:confused2:

NBA plays 83 games? 81-1 sounds more like it.


What is this NBA you speak of? I did a Google Search and something came up about Nitrobenzyl Alcohol and the National Bank Act of 1865...


I think anybody that knows how many games are in an NBA season should be banned from this board.

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I thin Jup needs to ammend the site registration page: :mrgreen: :wink:

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st8ofhockey wrote:I thin Jup needs to ammend the site registration page: :mrgreen: :wink:

POLITICS, RELIGION, and BASKETBALL:
Please refrain from talking about any of these. I am not trying to prevent your 1st amendment rights, I just think it's a good idea to keep it off of the board. I have found that people discussing politics, religion, and roundball on message boards always turns in to flame fests and even hate. If people could have mature discussions, I would allow it, but we all know that will never happen. We have all seen it. Well I want to prevent it. So please refrain from discussing those topics. It's for our own good.

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Postby Zwak » Wed 11/03/10 5:56 pm

Charlie Villanueva tweeted that KG referred to him as a cancer patient during a game. KG released the following statement in response.
“I am aware there was a major miscommunication regarding something I said on the court last night. My comment to Charlie Villanueva was in fact ‘You are cancerous to your team and our league.’ I would never be insensitive to the brave struggle that cancer patients endure. I have lost loved ones to this deadly disease and have a family member currently undergoing treatment. I would never say anything that distasteful. The game of life is far bigger than the game of basketball.”


Yep, that statement totally sounds like something KG would say. No help from a publicist there. :no:
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Postby Dances With Gophers » Wed 11/03/10 11:51 pm

Wednesday's 42-point loss is the most lopsided in team history
Pretty impressive!
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Postby sunbone » Thu 11/04/10 9:27 am

Zwak wrote:Charlie Villanueva tweeted that KG referred to him as a cancer patient during a game. KG released the following statement in response.
“I am aware there was a major miscommunication regarding something I said on the court last night. My comment to Charlie Villanueva was in fact ‘You are cancerous to your team and our league.’ I would never be insensitive to the brave struggle that cancer patients endure. I have lost loved ones to this deadly disease and have a family member currently undergoing treatment. I would never say anything that distasteful. The game of life is far bigger than the game of basketball.”


Yep, that statement totally sounds like something KG would say. No help from a publicist there. :no:


Yeah, that explanation was ridiculous. And KG is definitely an a-hole. But does anybody else feel like Villanueva is a total weinie for ratting KG out? All sorts of stuff gets said in the heat of the battle, no need to cry about it.
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Postby Border Gopher » Thu 11/04/10 9:32 am

sunbone wrote:
Zwak wrote:Charlie Villanueva tweeted that KG referred to him as a cancer patient during a game. KG released the following statement in response.
“I am aware there was a major miscommunication regarding something I said on the court last night. My comment to Charlie Villanueva was in fact ‘You are cancerous to your team and our league.’ I would never be insensitive to the brave struggle that cancer patients endure. I have lost loved ones to this deadly disease and have a family member currently undergoing treatment. I would never say anything that distasteful. The game of life is far bigger than the game of basketball.”


Yep, that statement totally sounds like something KG would say. No help from a publicist there. :no:


Yeah, that explanation was ridiculous. And KG is definitely an a-hole. But does anybody else feel like Villanueva is a total weinie for ratting KG out? All sorts of stuff gets said in the heat of the battle, no need to cry about it.


Agreed. This is a total non-story.
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Postby Jupiter » Thu 11/04/10 9:41 am

I am not an NBA fan at all and rarely come in here. But....

This is the oldest "active" thread on GPL. It goes back to May 03, 2005.
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Postby Gopherguy05 » Thu 11/04/10 11:21 am

Jupiter wrote:I am not an NBA fan at all and rarely come in here. But....

This is the oldest "active" thread on GPL. It goes back to May 03, 2005.


Thats just because you can fit 5 years of NBA chatter into the same amount of space as 2 months of hockey chatter......
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Postby minnhkyruls » Thu 11/04/10 12:11 pm

Can the state of Minnesota put the t-pups on waivers?
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Postby Dances With Gophers » Fri 11/12/10 11:39 pm

Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, Robert Parish, Moses Malone...Kevin Love :confused2:

Kevin Love posts NBA's 1st 30-30 game in 28 years

MINNEAPOLIS -- Kevin Love grabbed a franchise-record 31 rebounds and scored 31 points, the NBA's first 30-30 game in 28 years, and the Minnesota Timberwolves rallied from a 21-point, third-quarter deficit to stun the New York Knicks 112-103 on Friday night.

Love grabbed 15 boards in the third quarter alone to will the Timberwolves to victory. Moses Malone was the last player to do it with 32 points and 38 rebounds for Houston against Seattle in 1982.
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