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Postby momo » Thu Mar 29 4:12 pm

stan_5150 wrote:I do memory DVD's on the side and up until this past year I did one for my oldest's teams all the way through to this year...I ran out of time :(

Parents give me some pictures, I'll put some music to them and away we go! If you're interested let me know. :wink:

What program do you use? Windows movie maker?

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Postby Greyeagle » Thu Mar 29 4:25 pm

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stan_5150 wrote:I do memory DVD's on the side and up until this past year I did one for my oldest's teams all the way through to this year...I ran out of time :(

Parents give me some pictures, I'll put some music to them and away we go! If you're interested let me know. :wink:

What program do you use? Windows movie maker?


I used Movie Maker for my son's HS graduation - instead posting pictures on a board or something - and it's easy to learn and use.
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Re: Youth Hockey

Postby stan_5150 » Fri Mar 30 7:42 am

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stan_5150 wrote:I do memory DVD's on the side and up until this past year I did one for my oldest's teams all the way through to this year...I ran out of time :(

Parents give me some pictures, I'll put some music to them and away we go! If you're interested let me know. :wink:

What program do you use? Windows movie maker?


I used Movie Maker for my son's HS graduation - instead posting pictures on a board or something - and it's easy to learn and use.


I've been using a product called Pro Show Gold by a company called Photodex. (the link is for the latest/greatest).

http://www.photodex.com/proshow5

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Re: Youth Hockey

Postby george » Fri Sep 21 6:57 am

Anyone with opinions on the new AA class for PW and Bantam kids in MN Hockey? Seems to have a reasonable justification behind it to give smaller associations a shot at State A championships. Not sure how it will play out though....

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Postby PrideOnIce » Fri Sep 21 8:22 am

george wrote:Anyone with opinions on the new AA class for PW and Bantam kids in MN Hockey? Seems to have a reasonable justification behind it to give smaller associations a shot at State A championships. Not sure how it will play out though....



Is it to give the smaller association a shot at State or to ensure that more BIG association have a shot at State?

The logic that I cannot square in my own head is the AA/ A thing kicks in at playoffs. two separate playoff paths, focus seems to be on the end result - recognized by MN Hockey There seems to be a district accepted separation at the B level - B1/B2, but at playoff time they merge into one path for a single B playoff/state championship, focus seems to be on regular season.
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Postby Larch » Fri Sep 21 5:05 pm

They have said that because there really aren't many AA teams, that it would be tough to have a whole season of AA play only and even more travel for the outstate programs that will have AA teams. The one thing I seem to be finding is that some of the associations are going to have AA teams and A teams, not sure if that was the intention or not. Brainerd has said because they don't think they can fill a AA tourney, they won't be having one, I believe they are having a A tournament in both Pee Wees and Bantams though, which would mean they are having A teams at both levels. Blame it on Moorhead for running multeiple a teams the last few year. :biggrin2:

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Hammy wrote:Any people here with Pee Wee A players in the family?



Did when you posted this!
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Postby george » Mon Sep 24 11:00 am

Larch wrote:They have said that because there really aren't many AA teams, that it would be tough to have a whole season of AA play only and even more travel for the outstate programs that will have AA teams. The one thing I seem to be finding is that some of the associations are going to have AA teams and A teams, not sure if that was the intention or not. Brainerd has said because they don't think they can fill a AA tourney, they won't be having one, I believe they are having a A tournament in both Pee Wees and Bantams though, which would mean they are having A teams at both levels. Blame it on Moorhead for running multeiple a teams the last few year. :biggrin2:


I think the intent is to have the AA only really apply for District, Regions and State tourneys. Now District 6 has enough AA teams that they intend to run both AA and A seasons, but that is clearly the exception. I don't know if anyone is planning any AA tourneys. If they happen, they may be in D6.

I think one positive fallout is that it has forced the hands of some mega associations, like Edina, into having both AA and A teams. Essentially two A teams, that they have been reluctant to do. My kid plays in Edina and I have long thought we should have had more teams at higher levels instead of always going for the hardware.

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Re: Youth Hockey

Postby stan_5150 » Thu Sep 27 9:16 am

We start Bantam tryouts in Rosemount starting this evening. Tell all your children good luck and to have some fun.
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Postby george » Thu Sep 27 11:22 am

stan_5150 wrote:We start Bantam tryouts in Rosemount starting this evening. Tell all your children good luck and to have some fun.


We had bantam grading last Sunday at Edina with first scrimmages this weekend. About 134 kids for bantams, 168 for PW. The placement of bantams looks like they used a random number generator for placing the kids in groups instead of looking at how they actually skated in grading. I see a number of kids two levels off of where they should be, both ways. My kid is pretty close to where I thought he'd be. The scrimmages should be embarrassing or eye-opening for a lot of kids given where they got placed. :roll:

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Postby Neely » Thu Sep 27 11:58 am

stan_5150 wrote:We start Bantam tryouts in Rosemount starting this evening. Tell all your children good luck and to have some fun.


Yes, good luck to all. I must say I am so happy my kids don't have to go through this any longer. I loved watching them play youth but tryouts are truly a meat grinder for everyone.
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Postby GopherFan85 » Sat Dec 15 11:59 am

Reffing a Squirt hockey tournament this weekend.It's a 3 day, 4-guarantee tournament. Periods are 17 minutes, no overtime except for championship round. 8 teams and the scoring system is 3 for a win, 2 for a tie, 1 for a shut-out, 1 for period win, 0 for a period tie.

This is the first time that I have seen a scoring system like this, and also never seen a tournament use 17 minutes for Squirts. Anyone else seen anything similar.

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Postby george » Sun Dec 16 12:56 pm

GopherFan85 wrote:Reffing a Squirt hockey tournament this weekend.It's a 3 day, 4-guarantee tournament. Periods are 17 minutes, no overtime except for championship round. 8 teams and the scoring system is 3 for a win, 2 for a tie, 1 for a shut-out, 1 for period win, 0 for a period tie.

This is the first time that I have seen a scoring system like this, and also never seen a tournament use 17 minutes for Squirts. Anyone else seen anything similar.


17 minute stop time or run time? Even in Bantam it's a treat to have 15 min stop time periods, often only get 12 min stop time.

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Postby stan_5150 » Tue Dec 18 8:44 am

We did 17 minutes stop time as PeeWee's at a tournament but never as Squirts.....that is painful.
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Postby GopherFan85 » Tue Dec 18 8:31 pm

george wrote:
GopherFan85 wrote:Reffing a Squirt hockey tournament this weekend.It's a 3 day, 4-guarantee tournament. Periods are 17 minutes, no overtime except for championship round. 8 teams and the scoring system is 3 for a win, 2 for a tie, 1 for a shut-out, 1 for period win, 0 for a period tie.

This is the first time that I have seen a scoring system like this, and also never seen a tournament use 17 minutes for Squirts. Anyone else seen anything similar.


17 minute stop time or run time? Even in Bantam it's a treat to have 15 min stop time periods, often only get 12 min stop time.


Stop time! In the third period every game that I was involved in or watched there was only one team that had any energy left and that was a Canadian team. I was also informed this weekend that this particular hockey organization voted down (by only 1 vote) have ALL their tournaments 20 minute stop time periods.

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Postby george » Wed Dec 19 7:42 am

GopherFan85 wrote:
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GopherFan85 wrote:Reffing a Squirt hockey tournament this weekend.It's a 3 day, 4-guarantee tournament. Periods are 17 minutes, no overtime except for championship round. 8 teams and the scoring system is 3 for a win, 2 for a tie, 1 for a shut-out, 1 for period win, 0 for a period tie.

This is the first time that I have seen a scoring system like this, and also never seen a tournament use 17 minutes for Squirts. Anyone else seen anything similar.


17 minute stop time or run time? Even in Bantam it's a treat to have 15 min stop time periods, often only get 12 min stop time.


Stop time! In the third period every game that I was involved in or watched there was only one team that had any energy left and that was a Canadian team. I was also informed this weekend that this particular hockey organization voted down (by only 1 vote) have ALL their tournaments 20 minute stop time periods.



Wow. Can't imagine what they were thinking. Also, can't imagine how they made any money on the tourney. Most associations use the tourney's as fund raisers, that's why they don't lengthen the games or guarantee 4 games, the ice time costs kill their profit. And, yeah, most players and certainly squirts can't skate that long with energy.

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Postby GopherFan85 » Mon Dec 31 10:02 pm

george wrote:
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george wrote:
GopherFan85 wrote:Reffing a Squirt hockey tournament this weekend.It's a 3 day, 4-guarantee tournament. Periods are 17 minutes, no overtime except for championship round. 8 teams and the scoring system is 3 for a win, 2 for a tie, 1 for a shut-out, 1 for period win, 0 for a period tie.

This is the first time that I have seen a scoring system like this, and also never seen a tournament use 17 minutes for Squirts. Anyone else seen anything similar.


17 minute stop time or run time? Even in Bantam it's a treat to have 15 min stop time periods, often only get 12 min stop time.


Stop time! In the third period every game that I was involved in or watched there was only one team that had any energy left and that was a Canadian team. I was also informed this weekend that this particular hockey organization voted down (by only 1 vote) have ALL their tournaments 20 minute stop time periods.



Wow. Can't imagine what they were thinking. Also, can't imagine how they made any money on the tourney. Most associations use the tourney's as fund raisers, that's why they don't lengthen the games or guarantee 4 games, the ice time costs kill their profit. And, yeah, most players and certainly squirts can't skate that long with energy.


Actually I think tournaments are becoming more profitable for associations. I've seen a lot places that have the typical reg. fee and then a "gate fee" where teams are charged an extra $250 - 350 per team which then takes care of parents having to pay for admittance. The guaranteed games is usually 3, sometimes 4 depending on the tournament structure.

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Postby GopherFan85 » Mon Dec 31 10:11 pm

USA Hockey Rule Change Proposals for 2013

If anyone is interested here are the proposals that came through to USA Hockey this year. On the left is the current rule, on the right is the proposed change(s), and on the bottom of each proposal it give the recommendation and the rationale for the recommendation. These proposals will be voted on during the Annual Congress of USA Hockey, I believe it will be in June, so we'll see how the recommendations come out.

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Postby Beauner » Tue Jan 01 10:31 am

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Actually I think tournaments are becoming more profitable for associations. I've seen a lot places that have the typical reg. fee and then a "gate fee" where teams are charged an extra $250 - 350 per team which then takes care of parents having to pay for admittance. The guaranteed games is usually 3, sometimes 4 depending on the tournament structure.


This is what MBT does for baseball. The hosting community usually charges a 300-350 dollar gate fee so parents don't have to pay to watch the individual games, and then teams get 3 guaranteed games. The gate fee usually covers field maintenance supplies and then allows the host community to purchase concessions and sell the concessions at profit.
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GopherFan85 wrote:
george wrote:
GopherFan85 wrote:
george wrote:
GopherFan85 wrote:Reffing a Squirt hockey tournament this weekend.It's a 3 day, 4-guarantee tournament. Periods are 17 minutes, no overtime except for championship round. 8 teams and the scoring system is 3 for a win, 2 for a tie, 1 for a shut-out, 1 for period win, 0 for a period tie.

This is the first time that I have seen a scoring system like this, and also never seen a tournament use 17 minutes for Squirts. Anyone else seen anything similar.


17 minute stop time or run time? Even in Bantam it's a treat to have 15 min stop time periods, often only get 12 min stop time.


Stop time! In the third period every game that I was involved in or watched there was only one team that had any energy left and that was a Canadian team. I was also informed this weekend that this particular hockey organization voted down (by only 1 vote) have ALL their tournaments 20 minute stop time periods.



Wow. Can't imagine what they were thinking. Also, can't imagine how they made any money on the tourney. Most associations use the tourney's as fund raisers, that's why they don't lengthen the games or guarantee 4 games, the ice time costs kill their profit. And, yeah, most players and certainly squirts can't skate that long with energy.


Actually I think tournaments are becoming more profitable for associations. I've seen a lot places that have the typical reg. fee and then a "gate fee" where teams are charged an extra $250 - 350 per team which then takes care of parents having to pay for admittance. The guaranteed games is usually 3, sometimes 4 depending on the tournament structure.


The reasons for the gate fee are; the host association doesn't have to have volunteers manning the front door collecting gate fees, and the parents now pay for Grandma and Grandpa to come watch Johnny and Sally play.

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Postby GopherFan85 » Fri Mar 01 5:26 pm

I know this is a week late but the Fargo Squirt International was played last weekend and it was a great tournament. 128 teams in town for a weekend and 300 plus games. Best of all, from what I reffed and from other refs I talked to, that most teams and coaches were relaxed and well behaved making the tournament even more enjoyable.


Shameless plug...registration for next years tournament is now open for next years event. This year there was over 170 applications. 5 game guarantee.There was discussion of breaking up the tournament into 2 weekends, 1 each for A and B, for the tournament that just concluded. Maybe that is in discussion for next year. If they do that I would guess they would try and expand the tournament in regards to the number of teams.

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Postby Tanner » Sat Mar 02 11:02 am

GopherFan85 wrote:I know this is a week late but the Fargo Squirt International was played last weekend and it was a great tournament. 128 teams in town for a weekend and 300 plus games. Best of all, from what I reffed and from other refs I talked to, that most teams and coaches were relaxed and well behaved making the tournament even more enjoyable.


Shameless plug...registration for next years tournament is now open for next years event. This year there was over 170 applications. 5 game guarantee.There was discussion of breaking up the tournament into 2 weekends, 1 each for A and B, for the tournament that just concluded. Maybe that is in discussion for next year. If they do that I would guess they would try and expand the tournament in regards to the number of teams.


By far the best tournament I participated in, I remember we played Patrick Roy's son's team and Patrick actually actually came up to watch the games. Lucky enough I got his autograph it was pretty cool!

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Postby george » Mon Mar 11 11:25 am

By the way, all the State tournaments are this coming weekend, you can find them all listed here:
http://www.minnesotahockey.org/page/sho ... u-jr-gold-

Some of the best will be in Edina at Braemar as the Bantam and Peewee AA's will be played there.

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Postby Iceburg » Thu Mar 14 9:16 am

george wrote:By the way, all the State tournaments are this coming weekend, you can find them all listed here:
http://www.minnesotahockey.org/page/sho ... u-jr-gold-

Some of the best will be in Edina at Braemar as the Bantam and Peewee AA's will be played there.


George, hope to get over to Braemar for some of the bantam tournament. Heard that Keiffer Bellows may have been hurt in the regionals and will not be playing this weekend, have you heard that?
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Postby george » Thu Mar 14 10:45 am

Iceburg wrote:
george wrote:By the way, all the State tournaments are this coming weekend, you can find them all listed here:
http://www.minnesotahockey.org/page/sho ... u-jr-gold-

Some of the best will be in Edina at Braemar as the Bantam and Peewee AA's will be played there.


George, hope to get over to Braemar for some of the bantam tournament. Heard that Keiffer Bellows may have been hurt in the regionals and will not be playing this weekend, have you heard that?


I did hear it too, but have not confirmed it. Since my son moved to Benilde my pipeline to Edina hockey isn't what it was. :oops:

Maybe I'll text one of the BAA dads I know. I know Brian Bellows but not well enough to ask that.

ETA: Was told Bellows is OK, will play.

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Rule change year for USA Hockey (changes in place for 2013-2014 through 2016-2017) Rule Change Document

Listed in no order in terms of significance: (also didn't list some of the smaller changes)

--> Protective Equipment: Now acknowledging the expiration date on HECC helmets and making it a responsibility of players to get a certified (non-expired) helmet.

--> Misconducts: 2nd Misconduct penalty is now a Game Misconduct. There was no limit prior to this.

--> Certain majors will now after their 3rd occurrence will result in a suspensions, and also now will suspend a coach after 3 majors in one game by a team.

--> Officials are now required to wear half-shield visors.

--> The following penalties are now 2 minutes + 10 minute misconduct at minimum.
--> Checking from Behind, Charging, Boarding and Head Contact

--> Tripping: USA Hockey has now added language specific to "slew-footing"



I have not heard if Minnesota will change their rules for Boarding and Checking from Behind back to 2 minutes as a minimum. I would say NO on checking from behind, but YES on boarding.

I am glad to see that USA Hockey has made it mandatory for visors to be worn for officials. I don't really think the HECC-current helmets should have been done. Is that going to be on the officials to check and make sure players have them prior to a game? Just stupid I think. On the majors I think it is good to go after the majors so that players get the message to not being stupid. Even if Minnesota doesn't change their 5-minute Majors for Checking from Behind or Boarding I think it will help to really make players aware of their hitting. Also, the suspension of coaches is a good idea because if a player or players get 1 or 2 in a game I think there is some responsibility on the coach to be proactive on that end.

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What's all this hubbub I hear about Slew hoofing? Why back in my day, if Slew wanted to hoof around the track nobody said a word about it. Hoof to the left, hoof the right if Slew wanted to, can't always get around at a full trot. Let them hoof they want to.



















































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Postby Larch » Mon Aug 12 10:20 pm

GopherFan85 wrote:Rule change year for USA Hockey (changes in place for 2013-2014 through 2016-2017) Rule Change Document

Listed in no order in terms of significance: (also didn't list some of the smaller changes)

--> Protective Equipment: Now acknowledging the expiration date on HECC helmets and making it a responsibility of players to get a certified (non-expired) helmet.

--> Misconducts: 2nd Misconduct penalty is now a Game Misconduct. There was no limit prior to this.

--> Certain majors will now after their 3rd occurrence will result in a suspensions, and also now will suspend a coach after 3 majors in one game by a team.

--> Officials are now required to wear half-shield visors.

--> The following penalties are now 2 minutes + 10 minute misconduct at minimum.
--> Checking from Behind, Charging, Boarding and Head Contact

--> Tripping: USA Hockey has now added language specific to "slew-footing"



I have not heard if Minnesota will change their rules for Boarding and Checking from Behind back to 2 minutes as a minimum. I would say NO on checking from behind, but YES on boarding.

I am glad to see that USA Hockey has made it mandatory for visors to be worn for officials. I don't really think the HECC-current helmets should have been done. Is that going to be on the officials to check and make sure players have them prior to a game? Just stupid I think. On the majors I think it is good to go after the majors so that players get the message to not being stupid. Even if Minnesota doesn't change their 5-minute Majors for Checking from Behind or Boarding I think it will help to really make players aware of their hitting. Also, the suspension of coaches is a good idea because if a player or players get 1 or 2 in a game I think there is some responsibility on the coach to be proactive on that end.


As an official who wears a visor, I don't like the fact they are making it mandatory. I like it, but many guys I know have tried and didn't like it. They understand it's safer for them and I've even seen guys get cut, but they feel they call a better game and can see better. I'm sure they will get used them, some will quit. The rough draft came out in late winter and it doesn't look like the changed anything from that.

Minnesota High School Hockey will also be requiring half shields as well this year.

Last I heard is that Minnesota is staying with the Majors for CFB and Boarding, but you never know until it comes out. I believe USA Hockey is using Minnesota as a test before they decide to up the ante on CFB and Boarding. I'm guessing with most refs, we will only check the HECC dates if asked to by a coach.

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Postby GopherFan85 » Thu Aug 15 8:26 am

Larch wrote:
GopherFan85 wrote:Rule change year for USA Hockey (changes in place for 2013-2014 through 2016-2017) Rule Change Document

Listed in no order in terms of significance: (also didn't list some of the smaller changes)

--> Protective Equipment: Now acknowledging the expiration date on HECC helmets and making it a responsibility of players to get a certified (non-expired) helmet.

--> Misconducts: 2nd Misconduct penalty is now a Game Misconduct. There was no limit prior to this.

--> Certain majors will now after their 3rd occurrence will result in a suspensions, and also now will suspend a coach after 3 majors in one game by a team.

--> Officials are now required to wear half-shield visors.

--> The following penalties are now 2 minutes + 10 minute misconduct at minimum.
--> Checking from Behind, Charging, Boarding and Head Contact

--> Tripping: USA Hockey has now added language specific to "slew-footing"



I have not heard if Minnesota will change their rules for Boarding and Checking from Behind back to 2 minutes as a minimum. I would say NO on checking from behind, but YES on boarding.

I am glad to see that USA Hockey has made it mandatory for visors to be worn for officials. I don't really think the HECC-current helmets should have been done. Is that going to be on the officials to check and make sure players have them prior to a game? Just stupid I think. On the majors I think it is good to go after the majors so that players get the message to not being stupid. Even if Minnesota doesn't change their 5-minute Majors for Checking from Behind or Boarding I think it will help to really make players aware of their hitting. Also, the suspension of coaches is a good idea because if a player or players get 1 or 2 in a game I think there is some responsibility on the coach to be proactive on that end.


As an official who wears a visor, I don't like the fact they are making it mandatory. I like it, but many guys I know have tried and didn't like it. They understand it's safer for them and I've even seen guys get cut, but they feel they call a better game and can see better. I'm sure they will get used them, some will quit. The rough draft came out in late winter and it doesn't look like the changed anything from that.

Minnesota High School Hockey will also be requiring half shields as well this year.

Last I heard is that Minnesota is staying with the Majors for CFB and Boarding, but you never know until it comes out. I believe USA Hockey is using Minnesota as a test before they decide to up the ante on CFB and Boarding. I'm guessing with most refs, we will only check the HECC dates if asked to by a coach.


I agree that some will hang up the whistle because of the visor rule. It took me sometime to adjust to wearing one but like it now. I thought the rough draft voted it down but I could be thinking of something else.

Like I said I think Minnesota Hockey will stay with the Major plus misconduct. I think they would have to have a good reasoning to keep Boarding at Major and not increase the others to Majors. I say that because with USA Hockey increasing boarding, charging and head contact it would seem that USA Hockey sees these penalties as equal in conduct.

One rule change that didn't happen that I heard was wanted, by myself included, was face-offs to be conducted at one of the nine dots and not along the imaginary line connecting the end zone dots.

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GopherFan85 wrote:Rule change year for USA Hockey (changes in place for 2013-2014 through 2016-2017) Rule Change Document

Listed in no order in terms of significance: (also didn't list some of the smaller changes)

--> Protective Equipment: Now acknowledging the expiration date on HECC helmets and making it a responsibility of players to get a certified (non-expired) helmet.

--> Misconducts: 2nd Misconduct penalty is now a Game Misconduct. There was no limit prior to this.

--> Certain majors will now after their 3rd occurrence will result in a suspensions, and also now will suspend a coach after 3 majors in one game by a team.

--> Officials are now required to wear half-shield visors.

--> The following penalties are now 2 minutes + 10 minute misconduct at minimum.
--> Checking from Behind, Charging, Boarding and Head Contact

--> Tripping: USA Hockey has now added language specific to "slew-footing"



I have not heard if Minnesota will change their rules for Boarding and Checking from Behind back to 2 minutes as a minimum. I would say NO on checking from behind, but YES on boarding.

I am glad to see that USA Hockey has made it mandatory for visors to be worn for officials. I don't really think the HECC-current helmets should have been done. Is that going to be on the officials to check and make sure players have them prior to a game? Just stupid I think. On the majors I think it is good to go after the majors so that players get the message to not being stupid. Even if Minnesota doesn't change their 5-minute Majors for Checking from Behind or Boarding I think it will help to really make players aware of their hitting. Also, the suspension of coaches is a good idea because if a player or players get 1 or 2 in a game I think there is some responsibility on the coach to be proactive on that end.


As an official who wears a visor, I don't like the fact they are making it mandatory. I like it, but many guys I know have tried and didn't like it. They understand it's safer for them and I've even seen guys get cut, but they feel they call a better game and can see better. I'm sure they will get used them, some will quit. The rough draft came out in late winter and it doesn't look like the changed anything from that.

Minnesota High School Hockey will also be requiring half shields as well this year.

Last I heard is that Minnesota is staying with the Majors for CFB and Boarding, but you never know until it comes out. I believe USA Hockey is using Minnesota as a test before they decide to up the ante on CFB and Boarding. I'm guessing with most refs, we will only check the HECC dates if asked to by a coach.


I agree that some will hang up the whistle because of the visor rule. It took me sometime to adjust to wearing one but like it now. I thought the rough draft voted it down but I could be thinking of something else.

Like I said I think Minnesota Hockey will stay with the Major plus misconduct. I think they would have to have a good reasoning to keep Boarding at Major and not increase the others to Majors. I say that because with USA Hockey increasing boarding, charging and head contact it would seem that USA Hockey sees these penalties as equal in conduct.

One rule change that didn't happen that I heard was wanted, by myself included, was face-offs to be conducted at one of the nine dots and not along the imaginary line connecting the end zone dots.


Minnesota has decided to change back to the USA Hockey Rules. The only difference between ND and MN now will be that Minnesota will have 1 1/2 minute minor penalties for periods 15 mins or less.

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I am trying to decide if I should get involved in something. Last season my son played Bantam B2. Had a coach who is a nice younger guy who coached with three of his buddies. They all played high school hockey together and all were in their first year of coaching. We had a mess of a team. Some real talent and some real head cases (the most talented kid was the biggest head case - and his dad was worse). Season really fell apart due to the head cases. Coach bore some responsibility as he was too slow to discipline the kids.

Now this same coach is coaching BB2 again, they are winning almost all games, usually by big margins. We know some of the kids on the team. The problem is the kids are not having much fun. The coach has become a monster disciplinarian. Kids talk in practice - skate herbies, etc. I'm wondering if I should call and talk to the coach about this. One of the other dads from last year's team is now on the board. I could also call him and suggest that someone from the board have a word with the coach.

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george wrote:I am trying to decide if I should get involved in something. Last season my son played Bantam B2. Had a coach who is a nice younger guy who coached with three of his buddies. They all played high school hockey together and all were in their first year of coaching. We had a mess of a team. Some real talent and some real head cases (the most talented kid was the biggest head case - and his dad was worse). Season really fell apart due to the head cases. Coach bore some responsibility as he was too slow to discipline the kids.

Now this same coach is coaching BB2 again, they are winning almost all games, usually by big margins. We know some of the kids on the team. The problem is the kids are not having much fun. The coach has become a monster disciplinarian. Kids talk in practice - skate herbies, etc. I'm wondering if I should call and talk to the coach about this. One of the other dads from last year's team is now on the board. I could also call him and suggest that someone from the board have a word with the coach.


A very bright coach once told me "The 'fun factor' must be greater or higher than the 'intensity factor'. " Fun>intensity=a game Fun<intensity=a sport. Obviously, with kids and association hockey these factors scales are all over the map. I believe the coach's job in association hockey is to find that 'fun factor' and keep it ahead of the 'intensity factor'. The balance of making things fun and feeding the intensity appetites of all players, all while improving the kids skills and understanding of the game is difficult.

I'd talk to the dad from last year and get his take and go from there. Most of these kids will be future coaches and hockey association parents. I'd think the goal is keep most playing the 'game'.
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george wrote:I am trying to decide if I should get involved in something. Last season my son played Bantam B2. Had a coach who is a nice younger guy who coached with three of his buddies. They all played high school hockey together and all were in their first year of coaching. We had a mess of a team. Some real talent and some real head cases (the most talented kid was the biggest head case - and his dad was worse). Season really fell apart due to the head cases. Coach bore some responsibility as he was too slow to discipline the kids.

Now this same coach is coaching BB2 again, they are winning almost all games, usually by big margins. We know some of the kids on the team. The problem is the kids are not having much fun. The coach has become a monster disciplinarian. Kids talk in practice - skate herbies, etc. I'm wondering if I should call and talk to the coach about this. One of the other dads from last year's team is now on the board. I could also call him and suggest that someone from the board have a word with the coach.


George, if you have a concern worth voicing....I recommend you talk to the coach directly, since your son played for him last year and you know him personally (at least on some level). Kids should be having fun playing at any youth level, period, but there has to be a level of discipline too.

Getting anybody on the Board involved should be a last resort...because mountains tend to get made out of mole hills...when you get hockey board members involved in anything that may be viewed in a subjective manner. Just my opinion.

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bearpaw28 wrote:George, if you have a concern worth voicing....I recommend you talk to the coach directly, since your son played for him last year and you know him personally (at least on some level). Kids should be having fun playing at any youth level, period, but there has to be a level of discipline too.

Getting anybody on the Board involved should be a last resort...because mountains tend to get made out of mole hills...when you get hockey board members involved in anything that may be viewed in a subjective manner. Just my opinion.


If I didn't know the coach pretty well I wouldn't even think of getting involved. It's only because I got to know him pretty well with all the mess we had last year. I was team manager and trying to help as much as I could.

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Talk to him straight up; As a friend.
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Bladepuller wrote:Talk to him straight up; As a friend.


Agree, when I was a young baseball coach having a former parent come and give some friendly advice (not tell me what to do) was quite helpful. If he is really interested in becoming a better coach then he will accept your advice with open arms. If he's already stuck in his ways then there is no hope.
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Postby gopher_fan_in_sue_land » Thu Dec 26 8:27 am

If you are honestly concerned about the lack of enjoyment of ALL the kids on the team (i.e., be sure it isn't just your kid who is down on things), I think you should kindly discuss the matter with the coach in a non-confrontational manner. The big thing in my mind, is to remind the coach that these are 13-14 year old kids, and they are playing Bantam B2 hockey. Most of them are never going to make an A team or a Varsity roster. Having fun playing the game of hockey is the sole "take away" for these kids at this point. I.e., encourage the coach to keep it structured, try to win, but most of all, keep it fun.

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Ever wondered what USA Hockey's interruption of the rules are?

Click the following link: Video Clip of the Week

It's helpful for all to see how USA Hockey interrupts the rules. If you view any of them lets hear your comments. I think it would be an interesting dialogue about the rules.

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So I am coaching my son's Termite team this year, I was kind of roped into it, but turns out I like being out there with the kids, talking to them, helping them learn the game and seeing them get better each week.

My question is if I end up wanting to continue coaching, from what I am finding out, I have to go and take a bunch of certification classes through USA hockey. While I understand the need for some consistency, I think most of it is a joke, especially having every single practice mapped out...with dumb drills. Kids don't really need to stick handle a tire with they are 5 & 6.

Is there any point when you don't have to take these courses in order to coach? While I don't necessarily need to follow my son, the idea of coaching Squirt, Peewee or a Bantam team is appealing to me.
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MNGophers29 wrote:Is there any point when you don't have to take these courses in order to coach? While I don't necessarily need to follow my son, the idea of coaching Squirt, Peewee or a Bantam team is appealing to me.


The higher you go in coaching the higher the price of poker. IIRC you are required to hve Level 3 by the time you coach PeeWees and it's required for all levels.

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MNGophers29 wrote:Is there any point when you don't have to take these courses in order to coach? While I don't necessarily need to follow my son, the idea of coaching Squirt, Peewee or a Bantam team is appealing to me.


The higher you go in coaching the higher the price of poker. IIRC you are required to hve Level 3 by the time you coach PeeWees and it's required for all levels.

This is the puck.....


Now you have to take the on-line modules which are quite time consuming from what I was told.

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The rules have changed in the last few years. Now every new coach must attend a coaching clinic every year until they reach level 3. You can not move up more than 1 level in a year. So you would need to attended a level 1 this year, level 2 next year and level 3 the year after. Once at level 3 that level is good for 2 years and you can take a online class to recertify two times. After that you are required to go to a level 4. Once you get your level 4 you are no longer required to go to a coaching clinic

Like george mentioned then you need to take the online modules for the age level you are coaching. These are time consuming and boring but once you finish it you never have to do it again.

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freighttrain wrote:The rules have changed in the last few years. Now every new coach must attend a coaching clinic every year until they reach level 3. You can not move up more than 1 level in a year. So you would need to attended a level 1 this year, level 2 next year and level 3 the year after. Once at level 3 that level is good for 2 years and you can take a online class to recertify two times. After that you are required to go to a level 4. Once you get your level 4 you are no longer required to go to a coaching clinic

Like george mentioned then you need to take the online modules for the age level you are coaching. These are time consuming and boring but once you finish it you never have to do it again.

My other issue is that the clinics that are required are 8 hours, usually on a Sunday. I work 70 hours per week and Sundays are often my only day off. I get why they do it, but I also see how since it is still volunteer at this point, many people shying away from it for this reason.
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freighttrain wrote:The rules have changed in the last few years. Now every new coach must attend a coaching clinic every year until they reach level 3. You can not move up more than 1 level in a year. So you would need to attended a level 1 this year, level 2 next year and level 3 the year after. Once at level 3 that level is good for 2 years and you can take a online class to recertify two times. After that you are required to go to a level 4. Once you get your level 4 you are no longer required to go to a coaching clinic

Like george mentioned then you need to take the online modules for the age level you are coaching. These are time consuming and boring but once you finish it you never have to do it again.

My other issue is that the clinics that are required are 8 hours, usually on a Sunday. I work 70 hours per week and Sundays are often my only day off. I get why they do it, but I also see how since it is still volunteer at this point, many people shying away from it for this reason.


Yeah. Our association used to be able to run their own clinics and cover multiple levels in one 4 hour session. Now guys have to travel and pay more and spend 8 hours in them. Going to have a harder and harder time finding coaches, especially non-parent coaches for the higher level teams.

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MNGophers29 wrote:So I am coaching my son's Termite team this year, I was kind of roped into it, but turns out I like being out there with the kids, talking to them, helping them learn the game and seeing them get better each week.

My question is if I end up wanting to continue coaching, from what I am finding out, I have to go and take a bunch of certification classes through USA hockey. While I understand the need for some consistency, I think most of it is a joke, especially having every single practice mapped out...with dumb drills. Kids don't really need to stick handle a tire with they are 5 & 6.

Is there any point when you don't have to take these courses in order to coach? While I don't necessarily need to follow my son, the idea of coaching Squirt, Peewee or a Bantam team is appealing to me.



Frightrain nailed the basic current rule structure. I have my Level 2 and coach both my boys squirt and mite teams and am involved with our local association. You only need to take one clinic a year, and we're lucky that with all the hockey in our area(at least for me living in the Twin Cities) they have a bunch of dates from Sep,. to Dec. each year for each level at different locations around town- with any sort of planning you should be able to get to one. To also add some background to what to he said is the reason that we all have to do these Coaching Education Clinics and online modules each year involves the relationship between your local hockey association, Minnesota Hockey, and in turn the one calling all the shots - USA Hockey. USA Hockey makes policy, and provides a lot of the funding to , in our case, Minnesota Hockey, who is the governing body for our state. As part of membership to Minnesota Hockey, associations are instructed to follow USA Hockey policy......probably since that's where a good chunk of the funding comes from.

With that said, local associations realize they don't want to scare away potential coaches who are just starting, so they (rightfully) allow coaches like you to be on the ice without your certification. Your kids are not yet of the age that they are traveling to out of town tourneys where coaching credentials come into play, or are in competitive situations, etc.... so it ends up being a non-issue. Not only that that but your local assoc. also probably realizes that some kids that age just need mom or dad around.....so as long as you have a helmet you can be out there.

Don't give up on coaching yet - I grew up around the game and thought exactly as you 6 years ago when my oldest started but I have changed my tune and I use the tools that USA hockey provides online all the time - which requires a coaching certification to gain access to. You referenced the practice plans - make sure the ones you are using are designated for that age. The ones I use for mites from USA Hockey are mostly drills (stations) like playing tag, keep away, obstacle courses, skate around the cones, kick a soccer ball, etc, - very age specific stuff. Mites (or for sure termites)probably should not be doing much with pucks and stickhandling. Also, there's nothing that mandates that you have to use all those drills every practice - you can do what you want but you have access to them when you need them. I use them all the time - no matter how much you know the game when you are on the ice 5 nights a week you run out of ideas to keep things fresh for kids. I'm on the USA Hockey website a couple of times a week during the season looking for fun drills and ideas for the kids to do - I'm sure I would not be as good a coach if I didn't utilize what they offer.

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These are typically scheduled for 8 hours. I've never had an instructor drag one on longer than 4.

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State Bantam AA tournament this weekend in Rogers (BRACKET). I usually try to get out to see what's coming up, but not sure if I can fit it in this weekend. Teams making the tournament this year are Stillwater, Eden Prairie, Woodbury, Hermantown, Elk River, Edina, Grand Rapids and White Bear Lake.
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The certification process is very frustrating as I can attest. I am attending the one the NCHC is putting on next weekend to get a level upgrade. They are giving me tickets to that other tourney at the Target Center for attending. Hoping I can find anyone that will buy my tickets to recoup a little bit of the cost for the certification. Spending over $100 per year to volunteer as a mite coach is a bit out of whack but hey, I help fund the NDTP that my kid and all the kids I coach will likely never be a part of.

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gophsb2b wrote:The certification process is very frustrating as I can attest. I am attending the one the NCHC is putting on next weekend to get a level upgrade. They are giving me tickets to that other tourney at the Target Center for attending. Hoping I can find anyone that will buy my tickets to recoup a little bit of the cost for the certification. Spending over $100 per year to volunteer as a mite coach is a bit out of whack but hey, I help fund the NDTP that my kid and all the kids I coach will likely never be a part of.


For purposes of retaining current coaches and especially recruiting new one's, a growing trend in youth hockey associations is to cover costs for coaches USA/MN hockey registration fee's (annually $40.00 and $10.00) and the clinic fee ($40 or $50.00). Our association is mid-size to small ( about 360 kids) and we cover both fee's. If yours does not, you should rally your coaches to demand it - it has helped us keep good coaches in the game, and our numbers of new coaches have grown at a higher rate than when we didn't cover costs.

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I believe most associations will at the very least reimburse for registration.

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I have my level 3 and can recertify in the fall online to keep coaching and our association does reimburse our costs. The ADM practices are actually designed to keep the kids interested and involved in the game. When I was the head coach I did throw out the items I did not like and modified others.

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Keep in mind you can only re-certify online twice. Then I believe you are forced to go to Level 4

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Bash Brother wrote:Keep in mind you can only re-certify online twice. Then I believe you are forced to go to Level 4


That is correct.

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Iceburg wrote:State Bantam AA tournament this weekend in Rogers (BRACKET). I usually try to get out to see what's coming up, but not sure if I can fit it in this weekend. Teams making the tournament this year are Stillwater, Eden Prairie, Woodbury, Hermantown, Elk River, Edina, Grand Rapids and White Bear Lake.


Stillwater vs. Grand Rapids for the Bantam AA State title (Sunday at 2pm).

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My brother is an assistant coach for the SLP (in essence all BSM kids) JR A Gold team. They played Edina yesterday in the state semus. Apparently the Edina team has 3 kids that were on the Varsity last season. Talk about depth.

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Slap Shot wrote:My brother is an assistant coach for the SLP (in essence all BSM kids) JR A Gold team. They played Edina yesterday in the state semus. Apparently the Edina team has 3 kids that were on the Varsity last season. Talk about depth.


My kid tried out for the team your brother assists for.

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george wrote:
Slap Shot wrote:My brother is an assistant coach for the SLP (in essence all BSM kids) JR A Gold team. They played Edina yesterday in the state semus. Apparently the Edina team has 3 kids that were on the Varsity last season. Talk about depth.


My kid tried out for the team your brother assists for.


Did I say brother? I meant just some dude I know.

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Slap Shot wrote:My brother is an assistant coach for the SLP (in essence all BSM kids) JR A Gold team. They played Edina yesterday in the state semus. Apparently the Edina team has 3 kids that were on the Varsity last season. Talk about depth.


Edina's JR Gold A team a few years back had 5 or 6 kids that saw varsity time and got cut as seniors. They walked through the Jr Gold A league that year.

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They also had a lot of fans at the game. When they scored to go up 1-0 late in the third it actually got pretty loud.

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Postby freighttrain » Mon Mar 17 9:39 pm

Slap Shot wrote:They also had a lot of fans at the game. When they scored to go up 1-0 late in the third it actually got pretty loud.


I coach at the J Gold level. Some of these teams can have a pretty big following. The team I coached back in 2007 won the J Gold B state championship. It was held at Highland arena and between our fans and our opponents fans we filled it with over 500 fans for both the semifinal and final game. It got pretty loud in there when one of us scored.

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Re: Youth Hockey

Postby george » Tue Mar 18 6:39 am

freighttrain wrote:
Slap Shot wrote:My brother is an assistant coach for the SLP (in essence all BSM kids) JR A Gold team. They played Edina yesterday in the state semus. Apparently the Edina team has 3 kids that were on the Varsity last season. Talk about depth.


Edina's JR Gold A team a few years back had 5 or 6 kids that saw varsity time and got cut as seniors. They walked through the Jr Gold A league that year.


That was two years ago, I believe. They walked through it until the State. They had a brawl in the quarter or semi-final and lost several kids to fighting suspension then lost the State final while quite short-handed.

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Re: Youth Hockey

Postby bearpaw28 » Tue Mar 18 7:23 am

George...do you think (either or both) Bellows or Wait will leave if they get an NTDP U17 team invite for next season?

I see Anderson going for sure (he very likely gets invited)...not sure on Lindgren (also very likely invited) because he's already on the Shattuck Prep team, in a favorable situation. I also think Hellickson has a decent shot of being invited to join the team. A dark horse is Tufte at 6'4" tall, NTDP sometimes invites what they view as a project type player (like they did with Collins from BSM).

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Re: Youth Hockey

Postby george » Tue Mar 18 12:07 pm

bearpaw28 wrote:George...do you think (either or both) Bellows or Wait will leave if they get an NTDP U17 team invite for next season?

I see Anderson going for sure (he very likely gets invited)...not sure on Lindgren (also very likely invited) because he's already on the Shattuck Prep team, in a favorable situation. I also think Hellickson has a decent shot of being invited to join the team. A dark horse is Tufte at 6'4" tall, NTDP sometimes invites what they view as a project type player (like they did with Collins from BSM).


I have no idea right now. Some of the Edina kids who know them are assuming they are already gone. I just don't know how the parents will view it. Both are pretty immature and Bellows already tried SSM and bailed after about 3 weeks. Wait's dad, I think, would have him packed tomorrow, his mom may have other ideas. :wink: Bellows may be similar. I don't think I'll be making any specific calls, but if I run into the parents or kids, I'll ask.

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Re: Youth Hockey

Postby Riff Raff » Tue Mar 18 1:54 pm

All the Edina talk here got me thinking that now that the state tourney's are over I thought I see how they did at the youth levels. Coaching against them I know they are strong top to bottom but what I found is incredible.

http://www.minnesotahockey.org/page/show/84996-state-tournaments

Going down the list of all state tourneys below is how Edina fared:

Boys
Jr Gold A - 2nd
Jr Gold B - 1st and 2nd (their 2 teams played each other in the championship)
Jr Gold U16 - consolation (again their 2 teams played each other)

Bantam AA - 3rd
Bantam A - lost in consolation championship
Bantam B - did not make state

Pee Wee AA - 1st
Pee Wee A - lost in consolation championship
Pee Wee B - 2nd

Squirts - don't have state tourney but FWIW how they did in their district tourney:
Squirt A - 1st and 2nd ( their 2 teams played each other)
Squirt B - 1st

Girls
U 19B - consolation champs
U 14 A - 2nd
U 14 B - 1st
U12 A - 3rd

Of the leagues in which Edina had a team that competed in which there was a state tourney held, only their Bantam B team did not come out of their district and every other team won at least one game at state.

EDIT- Jr Gold U16 corrected - thanks George
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Re: Youth Hockey

Postby Bonin21 » Tue Mar 18 2:01 pm

So much cake. I noticed Lakeville North has made the state tournament in almost every big sport this year. They won't be a feel good story for long. The new EP?

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Re: Youth Hockey

Postby george » Tue Mar 18 2:14 pm

Riff Raff wrote:All the Edina talk here got me thinking that now that the state tourney's are over I thought I see how they did at the youth levels. Coaching against them I know they are strong top to bottom but what I found is incredible.

http://www.minnesotahockey.org/page/show/84996-state-tournaments

Going down the list of all state tourneys below is how Edina fared:

Boys
Jr Gold A - 2nd
Jr Gold B - 1st and 2nd (their 2 teams played each other in the championship)
Jr Gold U16 - 1st and 2nd (again their 2 teams played each others the championship)

Bantam AA - 3rd
Bantam A - lost in consolation championship
Bantam B - did not make state

Pee Wee AA - 1st
Pee Wee A - lost in consolation championship
Pee Wee B - 2nd

Squirts - don't have state tourney but FWIW how they did in their district tourney:
Squirt A - 1st and 2nd ( their 2 teams played each other)
Squirt B - 1st

Girls
U 19B - consolation champs
U 14 A - 2nd
U 14 B - 1st
U12 A - 3rd

Of the leagues in which Edina had a team that competed in which there was a state tourney held, only their Bantam B team did not come out of their district and every other team won at least one game at state.


The U16 teams played each other for the Consolation title, not 1st and 2nd. Pretty disappointing that there were 15 teams to State and only 4 titles (if you include high school). They had more state titles last year.

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Re: Youth Hockey

Postby GopherFan85 » Mon Jul 07 8:00 pm

Fargo Youth Hockey has changed up some of their tournaments this year. They had the Girls International Tournament that had 10U, 12U, 14U, and 19U all in one weekend. Now they have the 10 and 12U tournaments first weekend of January, and 14U late January and no 19U tournament (no suprise on the 19U tournament they only had like 6-7 teams last year.

Biggest surprise :update:

The biggest money tournament for the Fargo Youth Hockey will be different. The Squirt International after 30 years of having one big weekend will be broken up. The setup will now be:

C/B2 will consist of 32 teams on the weekend of February 13th -15th. (4 game guarantee, most play 5) $600 entry with gate fee $25 per player


B level will have 64 teams February 20th - 22nd. (5 games, most play 6 games) $995 entry and $40 per player for gate

A level will have 80 teams February 27th - March 1st. (5 games, most play 6) $995 entry and $40 per player for gate



Most people, I think, wanted a seperate A & B tournament weekend. I wonder how having 3 weekends will go over. E

I have a feeling things will change after this year given that Moorhead and Fargo have tournaments running at the same time 4 weekends in a row.



Any thoughts on the change to the Squirt International Tournament?

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Re: Youth Hockey

Postby MNGophers29 » Wed Oct 01 10:29 pm

GopherFan85 wrote:Fargo Youth Hockey has changed up some of their tournaments this year. They had the Girls International Tournament that had 10U, 12U, 14U, and 19U all in one weekend. Now they have the 10 and 12U tournaments first weekend of January, and 14U late January and no 19U tournament (no suprise on the 19U tournament they only had like 6-7 teams last year.

Biggest surprise :update:

The biggest money tournament for the Fargo Youth Hockey will be different. The Squirt International after 30 years of having one big weekend will be broken up. The setup will now be:

C/B2 will consist of 32 teams on the weekend of February 13th -15th. (4 game guarantee, most play 5) $600 entry with gate fee $25 per player


B level will have 64 teams February 20th - 22nd. (5 games, most play 6 games) $995 entry and $40 per player for gate

A level will have 80 teams February 27th - March 1st. (5 games, most play 6) $995 entry and $40 per player for gate



Most people, I think, wanted a seperate A & B tournament weekend. I wonder how having 3 weekends will go over. E

I have a feeling things will change after this year given that Moorhead and Fargo have tournaments running at the same time 4 weekends in a row.



Any thoughts on the change to the Squirt International Tournament?

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Re: Youth Hockey

Postby Tiggsy » Thu Oct 02 7:24 am

I think I need some input from people who may have gone through similar situations.

My boy is playing his last year of mites this year and was offered the opportunity to try out for the squirt C team. I know I'm jumping way ahead of myself because there is a pretty good chance he wouldn't make it, but on the off chance he is offered a spot I need to determine if it is a good idea. He's a decent player so he definitely won't get blown out of the rink, but not many of his friends who are also very good are even going to the tryouts. The thought I keep hearing is that on the C team, you are not going to get very skilled players so it may hold him back development wise versus playing on the advanced mite team. The cost is of course another reason not to do it as squirts pay at least 3-5x the mite fees.

Since most of his friends are not doing it, the one positive thing I can see is it will teach him more team skills. Mites has been almost strictly individual skills. That was on full display during a jamboree when some other mite teams came to town and sort of made our kids look bad. Only thing that saved us was many breakaway goals with some impressive individual efforts.

So, any thoughts or advice on this one? Advanced/upper mites or squirt C where he'd be one of the youngest players out there?

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Re: Youth Hockey

Postby Riff Raff » Thu Oct 02 10:01 am

Tiggsy wrote:I think I need some input from people who may have gone through similar situations.

My boy is playing his last year of mites this year and was offered the opportunity to try out for the squirt C team. I know I'm jumping way ahead of myself because there is a pretty good chance he wouldn't make it, but on the off chance he is offered a spot I need to determine if it is a good idea. He's a decent player so he definitely won't get blown out of the rink, but not many of his friends who are also very good are even going to the tryouts. The thought I keep hearing is that on the C team, you are not going to get very skilled players so it may hold him back development wise versus playing on the advanced mite team. The cost is of course another reason not to do it as squirts pay at least 3-5x the mite fees.

Since most of his friends are not doing it, the one positive thing I can see is it will teach him more team skills. Mites has been almost strictly individual skills. That was on full display during a jamboree when some other mite teams came to town and sort of made our kids look bad. Only thing that saved us was many breakaway goals with some impressive individual efforts.

So, any thoughts or advice on this one? Advanced/upper mites or squirt C where he'd be one of the youngest players out there?


Interesting.......It is unusual that an association would have a mite "tryout" for a Squirt C team - I have never heard of that. Most of the time kids move up early either because the parent wants them to or the association asks kids to move up due to the need need to fill squirt teams.

First of all, welcome to youth sports. If this boy is your oldest this is probably the first of many decisions you'll be faced with that will burden you with the feeling that his hockey future is on the line. Know that your decision this year probably will not matter much 5 years from now.

Whatever you decide, don't underestimate the jump in talent from mites to squirts. Even from Upper Mites to Squirt C. Squirts are 1-2 years older than your son and generally have been playing longer - kids make huge improvements at that age from year to year. If your goal is his development, at his age I can't see how playing with older kids would ever stunt his development, (like the younger sibling that grows up competing against older siblings and becomes the best of the bunch scenario). I also don't see a stunt in development considering that in most associations squirts get double the ice time then mites (thus your point about the cost increase). The fact is kids improve every time they lace up their skates. More ice = improvement. With all that said, it's super, super, super, important to keep it fun for your kid. IMO I'd be a mistake to move up if he's a type that would be better with his buddies. Moving up will backfire if he is not having fun. Kids that are having fun no matter the level will have the drive to want to get better, and the kids that don't end up shooting free throws instead of backhands :D

Feel free to pm if you want if you have further questions - I coach both my boys teams, serve on our hockey board, and work with MN Hockey on mite development programs
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Re: Youth Hockey

Postby george » Thu Oct 02 11:10 am

One comment I would make on this move up is to note that most squirt C teams are parent coached. This may not be a bad thing, but it could be. Some of the parent coaches my kid had were good, some OK and some pretty bad. Hopefully the association has some decent coaches working with the upper mites.

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Re: Youth Hockey

Postby PrideOnIce » Thu Oct 02 11:42 am

Riff Raff wrote:
Tiggsy wrote:I think I need some input from people who may have gone through similar situations.

My boy is playing his last year of mites this year and was offered the opportunity to try out for the squirt C team. I know I'm jumping way ahead of myself because there is a pretty good chance he wouldn't make it, but on the off chance he is offered a spot I need to determine if it is a good idea. He's a decent player so he definitely won't get blown out of the rink, but not many of his friends who are also very good are even going to the tryouts. The thought I keep hearing is that on the C team, you are not going to get very skilled players so it may hold him back development wise versus playing on the advanced mite team. The cost is of course another reason not to do it as squirts pay at least 3-5x the mite fees.

Since most of his friends are not doing it, the one positive thing I can see is it will teach him more team skills. Mites has been almost strictly individual skills. That was on full display during a jamboree when some other mite teams came to town and sort of made our kids look bad. Only thing that saved us was many breakaway goals with some impressive individual efforts.

So, any thoughts or advice on this one? Advanced/upper mites or squirt C where he'd be one of the youngest players out there?


Interesting.......It is unusual that an association would have a mite "tryout" for a Squirt C team - I have never heard of that. Most of the time kids move up early either because the parent wants them to or the association asks kids to move up due to the need need to fill squirt teams.

Fist of all, welcome to youth sports. If this boy is your oldest this is probably the first of many decisions you'll be faced with that will burden you with the feeling that his hockey future is on the line. Know that your decision this year probably will not matter much 5 years from now.

Whatever you decide, don't underestimate the jump in talent from mites to squirts. Even from Upper Mites to Squirt C. Squirts are 1-2 years older than your son and generally have been playing longer - kids make huge improvements at that age from year to year. If your goal is his development, at his age I can't see how playing with older kids would ever stunt his development, (like the younger sibling that grows up competing against older siblings and becomes the best of the bunch scenario). I also don't see a stunt in development considering that in most associations squirts get double the ice time then mites (thus your point about the cost increase). The fact is kids improve every time they lace up their skates. More ice = improvement. With all that said, it's super, super, super, important to keep it fun for your kid. IMO I'd be a mistake to move up if he's a type that would be better with his buddies. Moving up will backfire if he is not having fun. Kids that are having fun no matter the level will have the drive to want to get better, and the kids that don't end up shooting free throws instead of backhands :D

Feel free to pm if you want if you have further questions - I coach both my boys teams, serve on our hockey board, and work with MN Hockey on mite development programs

Question for Tiggs. How big is the association? What district?
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Re: Youth Hockey

Postby Greyeagle » Thu Oct 02 11:43 am

I suspect it's a number thing?

I would not do it as I think playing at the right age group & with friends is important.

I also believe any player who moves up needs to have approval via the distict....not a problem unless you're waiving into another association.
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Re: Youth Hockey

Postby Tiggsy » Thu Oct 02 12:24 pm

We're in district 8 and pretty good sized.

It sure sounds like a numbers thing just to round out the teams. We were told they would likely take 4-8 kids depending on how the teams shake out.

Looks like the biggest positive was pointed out by Riff Raff... much more ice time. That's what I am wrestling with, and what he will wrestle with too as I obviously don't want to push him too hard one direction. It's a pretty good positive, but not sure if that is enough to justify everything else. I have no clue about coaches. The lower mite coaches last year were meh... but the upper ones have seemed better. No indication on squirts coaching at all.

EDIT: some additional information. Last year was the associations first year of a 3-day a week program. They didn't work out the bugs and cost was high so he stuck with the 2-day a week. Looks like they are much more organized this year, so he will definitely play 3-day and try out for the top mite team as well. So the ice time may not be as far off as I originally thought. Games will be the big lacking thing that squirts does have.

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Re: Youth Hockey

Postby DE Waseca » Thu Oct 02 2:45 pm

Moved my kid to squirt C from mites. Only 2 kids did. After looking back on it, no difference. Squirts cost more plus travel. Would keep him in mites if I had a do over.


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