Opponent Recruiting

[Feisty Golden Rodents]

John Gaudreau committed to Boston College today

[poisondart]

This kid is absolutely tiny and not in the Gerbe mode, I mean skinny and short, but if you've ever seen him play its a sight to behold. Best hockey sense I've seen in a very long time. Its really quite refreshing...he doesn't skate that well, he is not very strong and has a less than overpowering shot, yet I swear the kid could play in boots and still be a factor. He does have some of the best hands I've seen in a long time as well.

[Bash Brother]

I have heard JT Miller has backed out of his commitment to play for the SioUX

[FargoSiouxHater]

I have heard JT Miller has backed out of his commitment to play for the Sue

That is correct, going to the OHL.

[thedude]

I have heard JT Miller has backed out of his commitment to play for the Sue

That is correct, going to the OHL.

I saw yesterday that Miami De-Commit Connor Murphy hurt his meniscus and will miss the next few months. He signed with Sarnia in the OHL. Kid was hurt all through his career at the NTDP too.

[Hammy]

Sounds like Luke Voltin and Luke Johnson are headed to the Sioux.

[thedude]

Sounds like Luke Voltin and Luke Johnson are headed to the Sue.

Voltin will fit right in up there...

[Hammy]

Sounds like Luke Voltin and Luke Johnson are headed to the Sue.

Voltin will fit right in up there...

Yes, I've heard the same things you seem to be getting at (but I don't know enough to give specifics).

[george]

Sounds like Luke Voltin and Luke Johnson are headed to the Sue.

Voltin will fit right in up there...

Yes, I've heard the same things you seem to be getting at (but I don't know enough to give specifics).

Is he hostile and abusive?

[Gopherguy05]

Sounds like Luke Voltin and Luke Johnson are headed to the Sue.

Voltin will fit right in up there...

Yes, I've heard the same things you seem to be getting at (but I don't know enough to give specifics).

Is he hostile and abusive?

More likely likes to throw lawnmowers and spray urine indiscriminately....

[psych]

Sounds like Luke Voltin and Luke Johnson are headed to the Sue.

Voltin will fit right in up there...

Yes, I've heard the same things you seem to be getting at (but I don't know enough to give specifics).

Is he hostile and abusive?

More likely likes to throw lawnmowers and spray urine indiscriminately....

And wear no shoes in -30 degree weather. (Are we missing anything?)

[LeoPohl]

Yes, I've heard the same things you seem to be getting at (but I don't know enough to give specifics).

Is he hostile and abusive?

More likely likes to throw lawnmowers and spray urine indiscriminately....

And wear no shoes in -30 degree weather. (Are we missing anything?)

Relieve himself in elevators?

[dagies]

http://www.grandforksherald.com/event/article/id/213150/group/Sports/

“He’s a big strong, young man,” said Hill-Murray coach Bill Lechner, who had Voltin for the last two seasons. “He’s a very good skater, he has a nice shot, good hands, good feet. He has a good work ethic and he’s a very polite young man. Very quiet.”

You're probably right. That's what the neighbors always say to the investigative news reporter.

[SiouxFanatic]

You're probably right. That's what the neighbors always say to the investigative news reporter.

Gotta love defense mechanisms though. Haha.

[JDUBBS1280]

No surprise here, Quentin Shore commits to DU.

[LeoPohl]

No surprise here, Quentin Shore commits to DU.

For being in the middle of the country and a mile up they sure are putting together a good Shoreline.
(Cheesy, yes, but to good to pass up.)

[Greyeagle]

No surprise here, Quentin Shore commits to DU.

For being in the middle of the country and a mile up they sure are putting together a good Shoreline.
(Cheesy, yes, but to good to pass up.)

[george]

No surprise here, Quentin Shore commits to DU.

For being in the middle of the country and a mile up they sure are putting together a good Shoreline.
(Cheesy, yes, but to good to pass up.)

You're just mad that he beat you to the pun, aren't you?

[LeoPohl]

Not sure if I should do this or not, but yesterday marked the 25th anniversary of George Pelawa's death. For those who don't know his story, he starred at Bemidji HS, won Mister Hockey in 1986, and was about to start school at the University of North Dakota. Sadly, during his last days at home before leaving for Grand Forks, he was killed in an automobile accident just outside his home in the early morning hours of August 30th. I'm too young to remember, but those who saw him swear there has never been another quite like him.

During the draft, ESPN did a piece on him.
For those who want to do a little research on him: bing

[thedude]

Not really opponent recruiting, but i wasn't sure where to put it. Connor Beaupre is trying out for the London Knights of the Ontario league.

[LeoPohl]

Not really opponent recruiting, but i wasn't sure where to put it. Connor Beaupre is trying out for the London Knights of the Ontario league.

Don's son? I miss the North Stars.

[JDUBBS1280]

Not sure if I should do this or not, but yesterday marked the 25th anniversary of George Pelawa's death. For those who don't know his story, he starred at Bemidji HS, won Mister Hockey in 1986, and was about to start school at the University of North Dakota. Sadly, during his last days at home before leaving for Grand Forks, he was killed in an automobile accident just outside his home in the early morning hours of August 30th. I'm too young to remember, but those who saw him swear there has never been another quite like him.

During the draft, ESPN did a piece on him.
For those who want to do a little research on him: bing

Helped Team Minnesota win that dramatic come from behind win over Michigan to take the title too. The team was coached by none other than Herb Brooks. What a player and what a tragedy.

http://books.google.com/books?id=n87sot ... an&f=false

[Feisty Golden Rodents]

Will Butcher made verbal commitment to Denver

[DrunkHockeyGuy]

You wonder sometimes if the bulldogs really won a title. Haven't landed a good recruit yet imho. I really feel our assistants since Rohlik can't hold his jock in the recruiting game. Really sucks.

[WPoS]

You wonder sometimes if the bulldogs really won a title. Haven't landed a good recruit yet imho. I really feel our assistants since Rohlik can't hold his jock in the recruiting game. Really sucks.

sorry to break your nuts, but a random title win after years/decadeds of medocricy doesn't equate to instant recruiting prowess.

W

[LeoPohl]

You wonder sometimes if the bulldogs really won a title. Haven't landed a good recruit yet imho. I really feel our assistants since Rohlik can't hold his jock in the recruiting game. Really sucks.

sorry to break your nuts, but a random title win after years/decadeds of medocricy doesn't equate to instant recruiting prowess.

W

There were coaches at Duluth who could recruit? Where was I when this happened?

Bowling Green, Northern Michigan, and Harvard also have a national title to their credit. RPI and Cornell have two (along with Colorado College and Maine). Michigan Tech and Lake Superior State have three (along with Michigan State). So by your logic Duluth should be able to recruit better than New Hampshire who have none; the same as BGSU, NMU, and Harvard; and half as well as RPI, Cornell, CC, and Maine? The kids know banners when they see them, regardless of what championship they're from.

[Golden FE Ranger]

Not to defend DHG, but I don't think it is unreasonable to expect that a new arena and a fresh NC would boost recruiting efforts. Making the MTU comparison is not valid, IMO. No different than speculating that the last few dismal seasons we have had could disrupt recruiting efforts a bit. With any luck, things will return to normal and MN can become elite again and UMTP can go back to mediocrity .

[DrunkHockeyGuy]

You wonder sometimes if the bulldogs really won a title. Haven't landed a good recruit yet imho. I really feel our assistants since Rohlik can't hold his jock in the recruiting game. Really sucks.

sorry to break your nuts, but a random title win after years/decadeds of medocricy doesn't equate to instant recruiting prowess.

W

Classic smug response. Just like being a national power I guess doesn't lead to getting or developing great recruits. But hey, thanks for starting serious conversations.

[DrunkHockeyGuy]

You wonder sometimes if the bulldogs really won a title. Haven't landed a good recruit yet imho. I really feel our assistants since Rohlik can't hold his jock in the recruiting game. Really sucks.

sorry to break your nuts, but a random title win after years/decadeds of medocricy doesn't equate to instant recruiting prowess.

W

There were coaches at Duluth who could recruit? Where was I when this happened?

You serious right now? That's funny. I'm sure the gophers they past 3 years would have killed for Fontaine, either Connolly, Faulk, Mason Raymond, J.T. Brown (who was told by Lucia you're not good enough) and Stalock. All Rohlik recruits. But hey, guess those aren't recruits.

As for your logic on those other schools with titles, those don't hold water. Walking into a hour from a title 20 years old does nothing for you. But walking into a house with a recent title and new building should. How about some real discussion? And I'm the troll......

[Hammy]

You wonder sometimes if the bulldogs really won a title. Haven't landed a good recruit yet imho. I really feel our assistants since Rohlik can't hold his jock in the recruiting game. Really sucks.

I can't say I closely follow UMD's future depth chart for the next few years... have they already answered a healthy chunk of their needs? That certainly could be a part of it. I don't want to be too critical of any assistant's recruiting prowess because there are a lot of factors that go into it beyond how personable a guy is, etc. Although John Hill sucked IMO.

Even with the recent glory, it is still a tough battle to beat traditional powers for recruits. Not saying it can't be done ever but it is a tough situation to navigate.

[LeoPohl]

You wonder sometimes if the bulldogs really won a title. Haven't landed a good recruit yet imho. I really feel our assistants since Rohlik can't hold his jock in the recruiting game. Really sucks.

sorry to break your nuts, but a random title win after years/decadeds of medocricy doesn't equate to instant recruiting prowess.

W

There were coaches at Duluth who could recruit? Where was I when this happened?

You serious right now? That's funny. I'm sure the gophers they past 3 years would have killed for Fontaine, either Connolly, Faulk, Mason Raymond, J.T. Brown (who was told by Lucia you're not good enough) and Stalock. All Rohlik recruits. But hey, guess those aren't recruits.

As for your logic on those other schools with titles, those don't hold water. Walking into a hour from a title 20 years old does nothing for you. But walking into a house with a recent title and new building should. How about some real discussion? And I'm the troll......

And Anchorage got Curtis Glencross. Mankato got David Backes. Bowling Green got Kevin Bieksa. Ohio State got Ryan Kesler. Providence got Hal Gill, Western Michigan got Joe Corvo. Yale got Chris Higgins. Dartmouth got Lee Stepmniack. Your point is? Everyone gets good players at some point. Pretty much every school out there has a player in the NHL. Tell me when your program is the program to go to, or at least in the discussion.

So Lucia would have liked some of Duluth's recruits? And I suppose Sandelin wouldn't have liked Derek Forbort to stay in his own backyard? Or how about Brock Nelson, or Nick Bjugstad, or Erik Johnson, or Jonathan Toews, or Zach Parise, or Tom Gilbert, or Matt Carle, or Paul Stastny, or Thomas Vanek; or Brian Elliott, shall I continue?

And I was half-kidding when I said it.

[DrunkHockeyGuy]

Except the fact LeoPohl that you are talking a one player scenario. I named 5 players on a single seasons roster that I'm sure the gophers would have killed for. So your point is invalid.

[DrunkHockeyGuy]

You wonder sometimes if the bulldogs really won a title. Haven't landed a good recruit yet imho. I really feel our assistants since Rohlik can't hold his jock in the recruiting game. Really sucks.

I can't say I closely follow UMD's future depth chart for the next few years... have they already answered a healthy chunk of their needs? That certainly could be a part of it. I don't want to be too critical of any assistant's recruiting prowess because there are a lot of factors that go into it beyond how personable a guy is, etc. Although John Hill sucked IMO.

Even with the recent glory, it is still a tough battle to beat traditional powers for recruits. Not saying it can't be done ever but it is a tough situation to navigate.

Hammy

for this season, yes. Next season, some what. But there are plenty of blue chips being landed for next year and the year after, and we aren't getting them. We got those when Rohlik was the recruiter. Where we really are getting nothing from is Canada, and that was Rohlik's specialty. The new guys can't get feet in the door.

[WestCoastGopherGuy]

Except the fact LeoPohl that you are talking a one player scenario. I named 5 players on a single seasons roster that I'm sure the gophers would have killed for. So your point is invalid.

you just said lucia told jt brown he wasnt good enough for the U (which i highly doubt he told the kid)- and now you are saying hed kill for jt? are you arguing that the gophers were out-recruited by duluth here, or that duluth is failing at recruiting? you seem to be aruing both.. depending on the post. oh- and if duluth was a national powerhouse- the kids would be committing. simple as that. and you did get a verbal from adam johnson a few months back..

[Cardinal]

He's saying Duluth was really good at it with their old assistant coach, but now that he's gone they are struggling.

[LeoPohl]

Except the fact LeoPohl that you are talking a one player scenario. I named 5 players on a single seasons roster that I'm sure the gophers would have killed for. So your point is invalid.

One player?
Which one player are you talking about? Bjugstad, Nelson, Forbort? You really don't think there are some players on other squads that Sandelin wouldn't like? I'm sure he'd happily pass on Bjugstad, Alt, Haula, Marshall, and Rau; no-one wants them, after all.

[beersong]

Do you even read what DHG writes or are you just out to rip on him? At least Hammy and Cardinal took the time to actually read his original post (which was ripping on post-Steve Rohlik UMD recruiting btw).

[LeoPohl]

He's saying Duluth was really good at it with their old assistant coach, but now that he's gone they are struggling.

I'd contend his point on that. They got some good talent, but most schools do. Outside of the freshman class of '05-'06, it's hard to name a freshman class that stood out compared to the top programs.

He also seemed to imply that a national title should automatically make kids want to go there instead of someplace else.
Like because they had a good four game run to end the season sixteen year old kids are going to go "Yippee-cayou-cayay, Duluth is so good. Who wants to go to North Dakota or Minnesota when I can go to Duluth" after looking at an arena with few championship banners hanging in it and sign ten future NHLers in the five months since winning the title. Some people just have a hard time putting things into perspective. Winning the national title was a good thing for the program, but it did little to affect the landscape of college hockey, NCHA aside, which could play another factor in a potential recruit holding off on a commitment. Why would a top player commit to a program in today's climate when he doesn't have to?

[LeoPohl]

Do you even read what DHG writes or are you just out to rip on him? At least Hammy and Cardinal took the time to actually read his original post (which was ripping on UMD btw).

I'm not ripping him; I'm arguing his points, which ripped me.

You mean this?

You wonder sometimes if the bulldogs really won a title. Haven't landed a good recruit yet imho. I really feel our assistants since Rohlik can't hold his jock in the recruiting game. Really sucks.

See my previous post. Winning a national title doesn't change the landscape of a program overnight. Now if Duluth starts winning any of the three championships it's eligible for on a regular basis, it will.

[beersong]

I don't think it's far-fetched to think that adding a brand new arena and a national title should at least maintain the level of recruits.

[LeoPohl]

I don't think it's far-fetched to think that adding a brand new arena and a national title should at least maintain the level of recruits.

The contrary was said where?

Here's a project for someone to do: Make a list of the recruits before the title game, along with their commitment dates. Do the same for the five month post championship era. Factor in roster spots and likely conference players available. Show a disparity and you'll have a point. Complaining that Amsoil's doors are still on their hinges five months after winning your first national title, and nine months after it opened, is a little ridiculous.

If in the next five years your recruits look like Anchorage's, you're on to something. Until then, have a little patience; the college hockey world does not revolve around you.

[psych]

I agree...with DHG and Beersong?

[LeoPohl]

I agree...with DHG and Beersong?

You're scaring me.

Edit: Duluth now joins Minnesota as the only programs I know where the team can win a national title and the fans still find something wrong with the coaches before the next season even begins. Must be "hereditary."

[Slap Shot]

This is one example where I don't find DHG to be off his rocker.

[dryfly]

UMD will be fine. They'll get plenty of good recruits and continue to be a total PITA for years to come.

The stuff that makes the rivalry fun.

[JDUBBS1280]

Speaking of UMD, I have heard some rumors (just rumors) lately that they are close to landing a commitment from Vinni Lettieri. That would certainly be a good get for them if true.

[LeoPohl]

Speaking of UMD, I have heard some rumors (just rumors) lately that they are close to landing a commitment from Vinni Lettieri. That would certainly be a good get for them if true.

And according to Hammy, he's one to watch for Minnesota. Ahhhhh, recruiting season.

[JDUBBS1280]

Speaking of UMD, I have heard some rumors (just rumors) lately that they are close to landing a commitment from Vinni Lettieri. That would certainly be a good get for them if true.

And according to Hammy, he's one to watch for Minnesota. Ahhhhh, recruiting season.

And as a source, I trust Hammy more. Hope he is right

[LeoPohl]

Speaking of UMD, I have heard some rumors (just rumors) lately that they are close to landing a commitment from Vinni Lettieri. That would certainly be a good get for them if true.

And according to Hammy, he's one to watch for Minnesota. Ahhhhh, recruiting season.

And as a source, I trust Hammy more. Hope he is right

It would be interesting to have a Nanne anywhere else. Nanne and the "M" just go together.

[Golden FE Ranger]

Nanne and the "M" just go together.

[/quote][/quote]

Did not Sweet Lou from the Soo tell a certian Parise to go to ND?

[JDUBBS1280]

Nanne and the "M" just go together.

[/quote]

Did not Sweet Lou from the Soo tell a certian Parise to go to ND? [/quote]

That was Herb Brooks. And my understanding is that he didn't specifically tell him to play for UND. In short, he told Parise to go where he thought he had the best chance to win, and Parise thought that was UND.

[Greyeagle]

That was Herb Brooks. And my understanding is that he didn't specifically tell him to play for UND. In short, he told Parise to go where he thought he had the best chance to win, and Parise thought that was UND.

[JDUBBS1280]

That was Herb Brooks. And my understanding is that he didn't specifically tell him to play for UND. In short, he told Parise to go where he thought he had the best chance to win, and Parise thought that was UND.

Exactly

[LeoPohl]

Nanne and the "M" just go together.

Did not Sweet Lou from the Soo tell a certian Parise to go to ND?

That was Herb Brooks. And my understanding is that he didn't specifically tell him to play for UND. In short, he told Parise to go where he thought he had the best chance to win, and Parise thought that was UND.

That's okay. We got Vanek.

[Hammy]

Since this hasn't been updated in a little while, may as well put a few local kids (and one other of note) that made decisions in the last few months.

Labosky (BSM) - CC (SCSU was in on it too)
Besse (BSM) - Wisconsin (Bemidji and SCSU the other contenders)
Joe Schuldt (Tonka) - MTU
DePourcq (Penticton) - DU (Gophs had been interested at one point)
Eli May (Eagan) - Mankato (Bemidji and Maine were looking)
Wittchow (Burnsville/Waterloo) - Wisconsin

[Iceburg]

A familier name headed to Penn State

LINK

[Gopherguy05]

[gopher_ears]

Seem like a nice opportunity for the kid. I wish him well.

[gopherguy06]

Will be fun to play against him in a couple years. Seems like he has a good chance to start over there and be in a role he wants to be in

[Hammy]

A few more local names deciding recently.

Jared Thomas - Hermantown (UMD)
Jake Randolph - Duluth East (UNO)

Edit - Add Dom Toninato - Duluth East (UMD)

[centcougar07]

He's saying Duluth was really good at it with their old assistant coach, but now that he's gone they are struggling.

I'd contend his point on that. They got some good talent, but most schools do. Outside of the freshman class of '05-'06, it's hard to name a freshman class that stood out compared to the top programs.

He also seemed to imply that a national title should automatically make kids want to go there instead of someplace else.
Like because they had a good four game run to end the season sixteen year old kids are going to go "Yippee-cayou-cayay, Duluth is so good. Who wants to go to North Dakota or Minnesota when I can go to Duluth" after looking at an arena with few championship banners hanging in it and sign ten future NHLers in the five months since winning the title. Some people just have a hard time putting things into perspective. Winning the national title was a good thing for the program, but it did little to affect the landscape of college hockey, NCHA aside, which could play another factor in a potential recruit holding off on a commitment. Why would a top player commit to a program in today's climate when he doesn't have to?

You're an idiot if you say that winning a national title and having a brand new building does nothing for recruiting.

[psych]

He's saying Duluth was really good at it with their old assistant coach, but now that he's gone they are struggling.

I'd contend his point on that. They got some good talent, but most schools do. Outside of the freshman class of '05-'06, it's hard to name a freshman class that stood out compared to the top programs.

He also seemed to imply that a national title should automatically make kids want to go there instead of someplace else.
Like because they had a good four game run to end the season sixteen year old kids are going to go "Yippee-cayou-cayay, Duluth is so good. Who wants to go to North Dakota or Minnesota when I can go to Duluth" after looking at an arena with few championship banners hanging in it and sign ten future NHLers in the five months since winning the title. Some people just have a hard time putting things into perspective. Winning the national title was a good thing for the program, but it did little to affect the landscape of college hockey, NCHA aside, which could play another factor in a potential recruit holding off on a commitment. Why would a top player commit to a program in today's climate when he doesn't have to?

You're an idiot if you say that winning a national title and having a brand new building does nothing for recruiting.

But you've never met LeoPohl in person, so how can you accuse him of being an idiot?

[Beauner]

He's saying Duluth was really good at it with their old assistant coach, but now that he's gone they are struggling.

I'd contend his point on that. They got some good talent, but most schools do. Outside of the freshman class of '05-'06, it's hard to name a freshman class that stood out compared to the top programs.

He also seemed to imply that a national title should automatically make kids want to go there instead of someplace else.
Like because they had a good four game run to end the season sixteen year old kids are going to go "Yippee-cayou-cayay, Duluth is so good. Who wants to go to North Dakota or Minnesota when I can go to Duluth" after looking at an arena with few championship banners hanging in it and sign ten future NHLers in the five months since winning the title. Some people just have a hard time putting things into perspective. Winning the national title was a good thing for the program, but it did little to affect the landscape of college hockey, NCHA aside, which could play another factor in a potential recruit holding off on a commitment. Why would a top player commit to a program in today's climate when he doesn't have to?

You're an idiot if you say that winning a national title and having a brand new building does nothing for recruiting.

But you've never met LeoPohl in person, so how can you accuse him of being an idiot?

[DrunkHockeyGuy]

He's saying Duluth was really good at it with their old assistant coach, but now that he's gone they are struggling.

I'd contend his point on that. They got some good talent, but most schools do. Outside of the freshman class of '05-'06, it's hard to name a freshman class that stood out compared to the top programs.

He also seemed to imply that a national title should automatically make kids want to go there instead of someplace else.
Like because they had a good four game run to end the season sixteen year old kids are going to go "Yippee-cayou-cayay, Duluth is so good. Who wants to go to North Dakota or Minnesota when I can go to Duluth" after looking at an arena with few championship banners hanging in it and sign ten future NHLers in the five months since winning the title. Some people just have a hard time putting things into perspective. Winning the national title was a good thing for the program, but it did little to affect the landscape of college hockey, NCHA aside, which could play another factor in a potential recruit holding off on a commitment. Why would a top player commit to a program in today's climate when he doesn't have to?

You're an idiot if you say that winning a national title and having a brand new building does nothing for recruiting.

A good "4 game run?" Wow, your distane for me is taking away your ability to be subjective at all. UMD was ranked #1 in the country for 3 weeks last year. I would say it was a hell of a season with a bad 8 game run in the middle and a bad Final 5 game. The rest of the season was great.

[Beauner]

A good "4 game run?" Wow, your distane for me is taking away your ability to be subjective at all. UMD was ranked #1 in the country for 3 weeks last year. I would say it was a hell of a season with a bad 8 game run in the middle and a bad Final 5 game. The rest of the season was great.

How dare you use logic like that! If you're not a Gopher it's a good 4 game run at the right time. Nothing more, nothing less. You know that.

[DrunkHockeyGuy]

A good "4 game run?" Wow, your distane for me is taking away your ability to be subjective at all. UMD was ranked #1 in the country for 3 weeks last year. I would say it was a hell of a season with a bad 8 game run in the middle and a bad Final 5 game. The rest of the season was great.

How dare you use logic like that! If you're not a Gopher it's a good 4 game run at the right time. Nothing more, nothing less. You know that.

Good point.

[GrandForksGopher]

A good "4 game run?" Wow, your distane for me is taking away your ability to be subjective at all. UMD was ranked #1 in the country for 3 weeks last year. I would say it was a hell of a season with a bad 8 game run in the middle and a bad Final 5 game. The rest of the season was great.

How dare you use logic like that! If you're not a Gopher it's a good 4 game run at the right time. Nothing more, nothing less. You know that.

[gopherguy13]

He's saying Duluth was really good at it with their old assistant coach, but now that he's gone they are struggling.

I'd contend his point on that. They got some good talent, but most schools do. Outside of the freshman class of '05-'06, it's hard to name a freshman class that stood out compared to the top programs.

He also seemed to imply that a national title should automatically make kids want to go there instead of someplace else.
Like because they had a good four game run to end the season sixteen year old kids are going to go "Yippee-cayou-cayay, Duluth is so good. Who wants to go to North Dakota or Minnesota when I can go to Duluth" after looking at an arena with few championship banners hanging in it and sign ten future NHLers in the five months since winning the title. Some people just have a hard time putting things into perspective. Winning the national title was a good thing for the program, but it did little to affect the landscape of college hockey, NCHA aside, which could play another factor in a potential recruit holding off on a commitment. Why would a top player commit to a program in today's climate when he doesn't have to?

You're an idiot if you say that winning a national title and having a brand new building does nothing for recruiting.

But you've never met LeoPohl in person, so how can you accuse him of being an idiot?

[LeoPohl]

He's saying Duluth was really good at it with their old assistant coach, but now that he's gone they are struggling.

I'd contend his point on that. They got some good talent, but most schools do. Outside of the freshman class of '05-'06, it's hard to name a freshman class that stood out compared to the top programs.

He also seemed to imply that a national title should automatically make kids want to go there instead of someplace else.
Like because they had a good four game run to end the season sixteen year old kids are going to go "Yippee-cayou-cayay, Duluth is so good. Who wants to go to North Dakota or Minnesota when I can go to Duluth" after looking at an arena with few championship banners hanging in it and sign ten future NHLers in the five months since winning the title. Some people just have a hard time putting things into perspective. Winning the national title was a good thing for the program, but it did little to affect the landscape of college hockey, NCHA aside, which could play another factor in a potential recruit holding off on a commitment. Why would a top player commit to a program in today's climate when he doesn't have to?

You're an idiot if you say that winning a national title and having a brand new building does nothing for recruiting.

#1. Nice to bring up a topic from how many months ago?
#2. I never said national titles and new buildings did nothing for recruiting. I said that it doesn't automatically turn a program from an also-ran to elite level.

[LeoPohl]

He's saying Duluth was really good at it with their old assistant coach, but now that he's gone they are struggling.

I'd contend his point on that. They got some good talent, but most schools do. Outside of the freshman class of '05-'06, it's hard to name a freshman class that stood out compared to the top programs.

He also seemed to imply that a national title should automatically make kids want to go there instead of someplace else.
Like because they had a good four game run to end the season sixteen year old kids are going to go "Yippee-cayou-cayay, Duluth is so good. Who wants to go to North Dakota or Minnesota when I can go to Duluth" after looking at an arena with few championship banners hanging in it and sign ten future NHLers in the five months since winning the title. Some people just have a hard time putting things into perspective. Winning the national title was a good thing for the program, but it did little to affect the landscape of college hockey, NCHA aside, which could play another factor in a potential recruit holding off on a commitment. Why would a top player commit to a program in today's climate when he doesn't have to?

You're an idiot if you say that winning a national title and having a brand new building does nothing for recruiting.

A good "4 game run?" Wow, your distane for me is taking away your ability to be subjective at all. UMD was ranked #1 in the country for 3 weeks last year. I would say it was a hell of a season with a bad 8 game run in the middle and a bad Final 5 game. The rest of the season was great.

#1. Well, I'd hope I could be objective instead of subjective.
#2. You finished fourth in your own conference standings.
#3. You failed to win a game in the Final Five, losing to Bemidji.
#4. Your own coach said that you were lucky to start the season with all the overtime winners and without them your season could have been very different.
#5. Nobody outside your own fanbase thought that you were even the best team in your own conference last season because...
#6. ...the team everyone regarded as easily the best had a night of horrible luck and inexplicably lost the game before instead of facing you, a team that they treated as their own personal b!tch throughout the season, for the championship.

[Bertogliat]

He's saying Duluth was really good at it with their old assistant coach, but now that he's gone they are struggling.

I'd contend his point on that. They got some good talent, but most schools do. Outside of the freshman class of '05-'06, it's hard to name a freshman class that stood out compared to the top programs.

He also seemed to imply that a national title should automatically make kids want to go there instead of someplace else.
Like because they had a good four game run to end the season sixteen year old kids are going to go "Yippee-cayou-cayay, Duluth is so good. Who wants to go to North Dakota or Minnesota when I can go to Duluth" after looking at an arena with few championship banners hanging in it and sign ten future NHLers in the five months since winning the title. Some people just have a hard time putting things into perspective. Winning the national title was a good thing for the program, but it did little to affect the landscape of college hockey, NCHA aside, which could play another factor in a potential recruit holding off on a commitment. Why would a top player commit to a program in today's climate when he doesn't have to?

You're an idiot if you say that winning a national title and having a brand new building does nothing for recruiting.

A good "4 game run?" Wow, your distane for me is taking away your ability to be subjective at all. UMD was ranked #1 in the country for 3 weeks last year. I would say it was a hell of a season with a bad 8 game run in the middle and a bad Final 5 game. The rest of the season was great.

#1. Well, I'd hope I could be objective instead of subjective.
#2. You finished fourth in your own conference standings.
#3. You failed to win a game in the Final Five, losing to Bemidji.
#4. Your own coach said that you were lucky to start the season with all the overtime winners and without them your season could have been very different.
#5. Nobody outside your own fanbase thought that you were even the best team in your own conference last season because...
#6. ...the team everyone regarded as easily the best had a night of horrible luck and inexplicably lost the game before instead of facing you, a team that they treated as their own personal b!tch throughout the season, for the championship.

Well, except for those reasons.....

[Chris Eckes]

There's no question that NoDak was FAR AND AWAY the best team in the country last year. That being said, hats off to our little brother for beating all the teams they faced in the NCAAs. Not every champion is the best team in the country so it would be foolish to argue that just because a team won the title means they were the best team that year. To me, last year's UMD team proves that a really good #1 line and a hot goalie can carry you to the promised land - reminds me of a team playing some three hours south of AmsOil this season, so I'm not going to bash too much because I know I'd take a "cheap" national title this year for the Gophers!

Also (I was going to let it go until it got quoted and brought up again), the word is disdain.

[DrunkHockeyGuy]

Wow, a whole 2 points, 1 win from 2nd place. I know, 4th place is horrible when seperated by one win! Watch out, only 1st plae teams are good I guess!

Of course our coach said we were LUCKY to win OT games, every coach says that to not give other teams bulletin board material. Wake up and follow a press conference once in a while.

Wait, we lost the play in game at the Final 5?!?!?!? Because that never happens in a 1 and done scenario.

Honeslty maybe Jup can change your name to "pohlsmoker" because you smoke some good stuff at your place!

No matter how bad a team you are playing may be, teams still lose those games. The good teams find a way to not lose those games. I.E Northeaster, Vermont, Tech at home....shall I keep going?

[LeoPohl]

Wow, a whole 2 points, 1 win from 2nd place. I know, 4th place is horrible when seperated by one win! Watch out, only 1st plae teams are good I guess!

Of course our coach said we were LUCKY to win OT games, every coach says that to not give other teams bulletin board material. Wake up and follow a press conference once in a while.

Wait, we lost the play in game at the Final 5?!?!?!? Because that never happens in a 1 and done scenario.

Honeslty maybe Jup can change your name to "pohlsmoker" because you smoke some good stuff at your place!

No matter how bad a team you are playing may be, teams still lose those games. The good teams find a way to not lose those games. I.E Northeaster, Vermont, Tech at home....shall I keep going?

You never cease to amaze me.

That being said, it's good to see Duluth doing well for a second season in a row.

[beersong]

3 wins away from 20+ wins for the 4th straight season. 87-44-18 over the last four years, but by all means, keep living in your fantasy world where UMD is always "lucky" to win.