Pet Peeves

[Bash Brother]

I am only commenting on the people who believe that natural cures are better than modern medicine.

You people are making huge jumps.

You are as well. I said nothing about her religion--only the fact that she trashes science without understanding it.

EDIT: And actually, I have found the opposite to be true.

I assumed sin was a religious word, my bad.

[Armadillo]

I am only commenting on the people who believe that natural cures are better than modern medicine.

You people are making huge jumps.

You are as well. I said nothing about her religion--only the fact that she trashes science without understanding it.

EDIT: And actually, I have found the opposite to be true.

I assumed sin was a religious word, my bad.

Your mistake was in throwing ALL religion under the bus, not just the anti-medicine ones that are germane to this topic.

[Bash Brother]

I am only commenting on the people who believe that natural cures are better than modern medicine.

You people are making huge jumps.

You are as well. I said nothing about her religion--only the fact that she trashes science without understanding it.

EDIT: And actually, I have found the opposite to be true.

I assumed sin was a religious word, my bad.

Your mistake was in throwing ALL religion under the bus, not just the anti-medicine ones that are germane to this topic.

I thought that was assumed by what I was responding to. If that was misunderstood I apologize.

I believe that people who deny modern medicine by way of religion are ridiculous.

Are we all clear now?

[rowshkex]

I don't really care who doesn't believe in the USE of something because of theistic, atheistic, or other moral objections. What I was trying to get at was that the lady didn't UNDERSTAND it. If you understand clinical and scientific processes, then proceed to trash them based on your religious/spiritual/moral objections, no problem.

That being said, I wasn't aiming this at religion by any means--unless the religion is naivete or ignorance.

We're all good.

[kmd]

Didn't Wells Fargo require $25 billion or so of TARP money?

They didn't "require it." Like the rest, they were FORCED to take it an pay interest on it.

Gotcha.

New pet peeve. Apparently graduate research assistants being paid using grant money are not allowed to hold additional jobs. The assistantship pay is based on a "20 hour week", but it works out to working a slightly better than minimum wage job for 40 hours a week. So if I wanted to make extra money grading papers or delivering pizzas, or say teaching for a test prep company ( ) at night or on weekends, that's against the rules. I understand they want you focused on research while they are paying you, but this is ridiculous.

Welcome to the GA world pops.

My boss looked into it further, and apparently I am allowed to work, but only for 10 hours a week. I started poking around the University jobs board for something I could do on campus in my spare time to make a little extra cash, and the first gig that pops up is nude modeling for an art class. $15 an hour. And they will carve/paint/sketch my ass.

Both of my fellowships are the same way, except I can only take on an additional .25 assignment for pay if it's to get teaching experience. NSF tried to change that rule last year so you couldn't do anything else while on tenure, and so many people complained that they changed it back in less than a month or two.

Private tutoring is where the money is at. You may not be able to make it work so it happens during your free time on campus, but you'll make at least twice as much. Plus nobody's especially tracking your hours.

[Tee09]

I am only commenting on the people who believe that natural cures are better than modern medicine.

You people are making huge jumps.

You are as well. I said nothing about her religion--only the fact that she trashes science without understanding it.

EDIT: And actually, I have found the opposite to be true.

I assumed sin was a religious word, my bad.

I got more of a hippie/granola/gaia worshiping junk-science-believing vibe from it. The sort of woman who believes Jenny McCarthy about vaccines and spends a crap ton of money on holistic herbal remedies instead of just buying the damn Tylenol.

[Tee09]

Private tutoring is where the money is at. You may not be able to make it work so it happens during your free time on campus, but you'll make at least twice as much. Plus nobody's especially tracking your hours.

I'm looking into this too. Apparently $25/hr is considered reasonable, and some of the expensive ones push $60/hr.

[Bash Brother]

I am only commenting on the people who believe that natural cures are better than modern medicine.

You people are making huge jumps.

You are as well. I said nothing about her religion--only the fact that she trashes science without understanding it.

EDIT: And actually, I have found the opposite to be true.

I assumed sin was a religious word, my bad.

I got more of a hippie/granola/gaia worshiping junk-science-believing vibe from it. The sort of woman who believes Jenny McCarthy about vaccines and spends a crap ton of money on holistic herbal remedies instead of just buying the damn Tylenol.

I hate hippies, granola, gaia, junk-science, jenny mccarthy, herbal remedies, and people who think vaccines cause autism.

I enjoy tylenol, advil, ibuprofen, and doctors with M.D.'s

[dxmnkd316]

Discovery Channel's need to "re-narrate" the "Planet" series of documentaries.

[kmd]

Private tutoring is where the money is at. You may not be able to make it work so it happens during your free time on campus, but you'll make at least twice as much. Plus nobody's especially tracking your hours.

I'm looking into this too. Apparently $25/hr is considered reasonable, and some of the expensive ones push $60/hr.

Check to see if your department publishes a list of tutors. In my department, you just let them know at the beginning of the semester if you want to (and are legally able) to do private tutoring, and they give that list to any undergrads/parents that ask for a tutor. And if you do some other way to advertise...obviously parents in the richer suburbs are likely to pay you more. Somebody was telling me that in the rich suburbs of Los Angeles, you could get up to $100 an hour.

[rowshkex]

...Somebody was telling me that in the rich suburbs of Los Angeles, you could get up to $100 an hour.

...I could fly round trip, do four hours of tutoring, and make a little cash.

[The Rube]

The more you learn about science, the more you find out that religion is ridiculous.

[Bash Brother]

Because my opinion differs from yours I am trolling while you are posting legitimate comments?

I guess thats pretty much the GPL way.

[psych]

Because my opinion differs from yours I am trolling while you are posting legitimate comments?

I guess thats pretty much the GPL way.

[The Rube]

Because my opinion differs from yours I am trolling while you are posting legitimate comments?

I guess thats pretty much the GPL way.

It was a joke, son.

I grew up Roman Catholic, in a rather strict way. I have since stopped that path.

[Bash Brother]

Because my opinion differs from yours I am trolling while you are posting legitimate comments?

I guess thats pretty much the GPL way.

It was a joke, son.

I grew up Roman Catholic, in a rather strict way. I have since stopped that path.

In that case congrats. Its a big step in the right direction.

[Tee09]

Because my opinion differs from yours I am trolling while you are posting legitimate comments?

I guess thats pretty much the GPL way.

OOOHHHHHH Sparkly!

[Beauner]

Private tutoring is where the money is at. You may not be able to make it work so it happens during your free time on campus, but you'll make at least twice as much. Plus nobody's especially tracking your hours.

I'm looking into this too. Apparently $25/hr is considered reasonable, and some of the expensive ones push $60/hr.

Are you in the Minneapolis/St. Paul area? My grandpa owns/runs a tutoring franchise if you're interested in it. A couple other GPLers currently tutor for him.
PM me for more details

[h8red]

The more you learn about science, the more you find out that religion is ridiculous.

OOPS! Someone forgot the rule to NOT post about religion or politics. That means you owe us beer money. How much is determined by how many people want beer. You're screwed!

[sunbone]

The complete overuse of the hashtag.

[greydogg]

The complete overuse of the hashtag.

[Armadillo]

The complete overuse of the hashtag.

#huh?

[gopher wes]

Having an EEG hooked up to me until Friday.....ugh! I have only had it on since 10am and it is already driving me crazy.

Not to mention I look like an even bigger dork than I usually do...

[Golden FE Ranger]

The complete overuse of the hashtag.

I've made a point of not finding out what the hell it means.

[Bigbeer]

The more you learn about RELIGION, the more you find out that SCIENCE is ridiculous.

OOPS! Someone forgot the rule to NOT post about religion or politics. That means you owe us beer money. How much is determined by how many people want beer. You're screwed!

FYP...problem solved...

[Armadillo]

The more you learn about RELIGION, the more you find out that SCIENCE is ridiculous.

OOPS! Someone forgot the rule to NOT post about religion or politics. That means you owe us beer money. How much is determined by how many people want beer. You're screwed!

FYP...problem solved...

Now you've offended this scientist. You owe me beer.

[gopherguy13]

The complete overuse of the hashtag.

I've made a point of not finding out what the hell it means.

#YouWillLearnEventually

[Golden FE Ranger]

The complete overuse of the hashtag.

I've made a point of not finding out what the hell it means.

#YouWillLearnEventually

That adds to the mystery, and the fun of not knowing. It does sound ominous .

[Bash Brother]

If you do ever find out you will be disappointed.

[trixR4kids]

Ungrateful, impatient ER patients.

Seriously people, if you ever go to an ER, please, for the sake of everyone else, be polite and patient. It is selfish and annoying as hell if you keep looking at your watch when the physician is in the room examining you, and complaining about how long you've been in the ER. Please realize that it is ALWAYS busy in the ER, and labs, imaging, and medications TAKE TIME--not to mention people like you are the reason physicians don't get to take breaks in the ER.

I can't express enough how GD frustrating it is when people act this way in the ER...

Plus, it doesn't always matter who is there first. More serious cases go first.

Yeah, but get this--the lady had been here ONE HOUR and was already roomed, and her significant other had the gall to do the whole staring-at-the-watch thing several times while we were in the room. The physician asks, "You missing an appointment or something?", to which the person says, "No, but we've been here for an hour, so I'm timing you."

What a tool.

I think part of the problem is that certain people will go to the ER for some of the most non-life threatening issues. One lady at work's daughter had some type of ear pain and was crying so she took her to the ER . I try not to trivialize other people's problems but it's easy to see why the ER is so busy when you have people like her coming AND the people who actually need to be there.

[Tee09]

Ungrateful, impatient ER patients.

Seriously people, if you ever go to an ER, please, for the sake of everyone else, be polite and patient. It is selfish and annoying as hell if you keep looking at your watch when the physician is in the room examining you, and complaining about how long you've been in the ER. Please realize that it is ALWAYS busy in the ER, and labs, imaging, and medications TAKE TIME--not to mention people like you are the reason physicians don't get to take breaks in the ER.

I can't express enough how GD frustrating it is when people act this way in the ER...

Plus, it doesn't always matter who is there first. More serious cases go first.

Yeah, but get this--the lady had been here ONE HOUR and was already roomed, and her significant other had the gall to do the whole staring-at-the-watch thing several times while we were in the room. The physician asks, "You missing an appointment or something?", to which the person says, "No, but we've been here for an hour, so I'm timing you."

What a tool.

I think part of the problem is that certain people will go to the ER for some of the most non-life threatening issues. One lady at work's daughter had some type of ear pain and was crying so she took her to the ER . I try not to trivialize other people's problems but it's easy to see why the ER is so busy when you have people like her coming AND the people who actually need to be there.

A lot of times the kid's regular doctor will try to work you in if you just call. Even when their schedules are F-ed because inconsiderate jerks show up late and start a chain reaction of late appointments for everybody else for the rest of the day. My wife (a physician's daughter) hates that so much that we are always 20 minutes early to doctor appointments. The ladies at the check-in desk love her.

[Zwak]

Web page slide shows. Please put all the photos/images on one page please.

[Orion]

Web page slide shows. Please put all the photos/images on one page please.

This

[Armadillo]

To quote The Wedding Singer, "once again, things that could've been brought to my attention YESTERDAY!!!"

I'm going through something like this professionally, and oh man I am NOT a happy camper.

[rowshkex]

People who make Powerpoint slides, but don't align any text boxes or images--seriously people, it's actually a LOT EASIER if you just use the TEMPLATE BUTTONS Powerpoint ALREADY PROVIDES...

[Tee09]

People who make Powerpoint slides, but don't align any text boxes or images--seriously people, it's actually a LOT EASIER if you just use the TEMPLATE BUTTONS Powerpoint ALREADY PROVIDES...

Template buttons are for the weak.

When people use color schemes other than a solid white background with black text. I see right through your plan to distract me with colors and shapes.

[JC65]

On-call shifts and having to do WebEx support sessions for customers in Germany. Really, can't you wait until after noon your time to get support?

[Tee09]

On-call shifts and having to do WebEx support sessions for customers in Germany. Really, can't you wait until after noon your time to get support?

Right now I would love if one of our vendors had 24/7 support, as I have a very simple question that should be answered on their website, packaging, and documentation but isn't. I'm going to end up losing a day if I don't get an answer before 7 this morning.

[JC65]

On-call shifts and having to do WebEx support sessions for customers in Germany. Really, can't you wait until after noon your time to get support?

Right now I would love if one of our vendors had 24/7 support, as I have a very simple question that should be answered on their website, packaging, and documentation but isn't. I'm going to end up losing a day if I don't get an answer before 7 this morning.

Oh, we do 7x24 (for the right price of course) but these guys wanted to go home on Friday afternoon and pick it up again Monday morning (their time). And _now_ it's time-critical.

[h8red]

I get flustered when people say they are "flustrated" instead of "frustrated".

UGH!

[Tee09]

I kinda miss finals week with actual final exams. Projects, reports, and presentations for work and school are way more of a PITA. It'd be nice to just study a little bit, show up for a couple hours, and be done with all the crap instead of not sleeping for a week.

[Bertogliat]

FebRUary

ROO

[gopherguy13]

FebRUary

ROO

Close. But it's May, not February.

[Armadillo]

I don't care if we're friends or not, if you work for a bank, you work for a bunch of criminals.

I'm so tired of coming out of every meeting with Wells Fargo feeling like I survived "new meat" day at Alcatraz.

[Beauner]

I'm so tired of coming out of every meeting with Wells Fargo feeling like I survived "new meat" day at Alcatraz.

That's a pleasant visual/thought...

[Tee09]

I don't care if we're friends or not, if you work for a bank, you work for a bunch of criminals.

I'm so tired of coming out of every meeting with Wells Fargo feeling like I survived "new meat" day at Alcatraz.

Show me on the doll where they put the credit card applications.

[Armadillo]

I don't care if we're friends or not, if you work for a bank, you work for a bunch of criminals.

I'm so tired of coming out of every meeting with Wells Fargo feeling like I survived "new meat" day at Alcatraz.

Show me on the doll where they put the credit card applications.

[g_manpucker]

I don't care if we're friends or not, if you work for a bank, you work for a bunch of criminals.

I'm so tired of coming out of every meeting with Wells Fargo feeling like I survived "new meat" day at Alcatraz.

I hate that every time when you go in a Wells Fargo there are completely new people there. Then they always try to drag you in their cubicle, "Let me look at your accounts and see where we can help you". You want to help...LEAVE ME THE ALONE!!!

[Tee09]

We have some family friends in a certain profession who constantly feel the need to tell everyone how underpaid and underappreciated they are, and how their job is the hardest and most important in the world, and you definitely couldn't do it, or you should just try to switch places for a day to see what they go through. Then when you call them out for their whining, they never fail to say they "do it because they love it." Really?

If your talents are underappreciated, by all means do something else or go somewhere else. If you feel you are being underpaid, go make more money doing something different. If your job is overwhelmingly hard to the point where you need to let everybody know that, maybe you should try something that fits your strengths better. Your job does not require you to mentally challenge yourself. You do not finish the day physically sore from your work. Nobody dies if you have a bad day at the office. I know plenty of people who have your job and have done it efficiently for years without complaining. You are not God's gift to the world because of your chosen career path.

[Beauner]

We have some family friends in a certain profession who constantly feel the need to tell everyone how underpaid and underappreciated they are, and how their job is the hardest and most important in the world, and you definitely couldn't do it, or you should just try to switch places for a day to see what they go through. Then when you call them out for their whining, they never fail to say they "do it because they love it." Really?

If your talents are underappreciated, by all means do something else or go somewhere else. If you feel you are being underpaid, go make more money doing something different. If your job is overwhelmingly hard to the point where you need to let everybody know that, maybe you should try something that fits your strengths better. Your job does not require you to mentally challenge yourself. You do not finish the day physically sore from your work. Nobody dies if you have a bad day at the office. I know plenty of people who have your job and have done it efficiently for years without complaining. You are not God's gift to the world because of your chosen career path.

Got some exotic dancers in your family huh?

[trixR4kids]

I don't care if we're friends or not, if you work for a bank, you work for a bunch of criminals.

I'm so tired of coming out of every meeting with Wells Fargo feeling like I survived "new meat" day at Alcatraz.

I hate that every time when you go in a Wells Fargo there are completely new people there. Then they always try to drag you in their cubicle, "Let me look at your accounts and see where we can help you". You want to help...LEAVE ME THE ALONE!!!

I worked at a bank and just finally got a new job in Eagan (no more living in WI yay!!!!). We had a quota for how many accounts needed to be opened per month/quarter/year for the branch and each teller. We also had to get at least one person to sit with the investment person so he could profile them. This was especially frustrating when 80% of the clients were 80 year olds who shouldn't be risking their money on investments and aren't interested in online banking. If the tellers didn't meet their referral goal they'd get angry messages from the manager and a verbal warning and eventually fired (this never happened at my bank but at bigger banks like Wells Fargo and Chase it probably does).

I know it's annoying as hell and it's more a problem of upper management being out of touch with their actual customers than anything. This was especially true at the bank where I worked.

[rowshkex]

Ungrateful Girl Update!

5:45pm: Test is set to begin. TA has to upload the test (Word document and submission page) to the website before we can download it.

5:46pm: UGG hops on Facebook at sends me a message:

"do you see the final??????????
it says its hidden still
i didnt get an email from her either
never mind"

This is in the span of about ten seconds.

Seriously, woman? She has no patience, among other things.

[Tee09]

We have some family friends in a certain profession who constantly feel the need to tell everyone how underpaid and underappreciated they are, and how their job is the hardest and most important in the world, and you definitely couldn't do it, or you should just try to switch places for a day to see what they go through. Then when you call them out for their whining, they never fail to say they "do it because they love it." Really?

If your talents are underappreciated, by all means do something else or go somewhere else. If you feel you are being underpaid, go make more money doing something different. If your job is overwhelmingly hard to the point where you need to let everybody know that, maybe you should try something that fits your strengths better. Your job does not require you to mentally challenge yourself. You do not finish the day physically sore from your work. Nobody dies if you have a bad day at the office. I know plenty of people who have your job and have done it efficiently for years without complaining. You are not God's gift to the world because of your chosen career path.

Got some exotic dancers in your family huh?

They are actually more down-to-earth folks and refer to themselves as "strippers" instead of "exotic dancers." Our "educator" friends, on the other hand... They don't know what they don't know.

[Armadillo]

Ungrateful Girl Update!

5:45pm: Test is set to begin. TA has to upload the test (Word document and submission page) to the website before we can download it.

5:46pm: UGG hops on Facebook at sends me a message:

"do you see the final??????????
it says its hidden still
i didnt get an email from her either
never mind"

This is in the span of about ten seconds.

Seriously, woman? She has no patience, among other things.

I think you might have a crush on her!

[Tee09]

Ungrateful Girl Update!

5:45pm: Test is set to begin. TA has to upload the test (Word document and submission page) to the website before we can download it.

5:46pm: UGG hops on Facebook at sends me a message:

"do you see the final??????????
it says its hidden still
i didnt get an email from her either
never mind"

This is in the span of about ten seconds.

Seriously, woman? She has no patience, among other things.

I think you might have a crush on her!

And he thinks it's good for society that she doesn't have to pay her way through school. Because ladybits, that's why.

[rowshkex]

Ungrateful Girl Update!

5:45pm: Test is set to begin. TA has to upload the test (Word document and submission page) to the website before we can download it.

5:46pm: UGG hops on Facebook at sends me a message:

"do you see the final??????????
it says its hidden still
i didnt get an email from her either
never mind"

This is in the span of about ten seconds.

Seriously, woman? She has no patience, among other things.

I think you might have a crush on her!

And he thinks it's good for society that she doesn't have to pay her way through school. Because ladybits, that's why.

Correction: I think it's good for society if women have scholarships to correct any existing deficits due to prejudicial practices. I don't think you could bribe me enough to say that for certain women...

[PrideOnIce]

We have some family friends in a certain profession who constantly feel the need to tell everyone how underpaid and underappreciated they are, and how their job is the hardest and most important in the world, and you definitely couldn't do it, or you should just try to switch places for a day to see what they go through. Then when you call them out for their whining, they never fail to say they "do it because they love it." Really?

If your talents are underappreciated, by all means do something else or go somewhere else. If you feel you are being underpaid, go make more money doing something different. If your job is overwhelmingly hard to the point where you need to let everybody know that, maybe you should try something that fits your strengths better. Your job does not require you to mentally challenge yourself. You do not finish the day physically sore from your work. Nobody dies if you have a bad day at the office. I know plenty of people who have your job and have done it efficiently for years without complaining. You are not God's gift to the world because of your chosen career path.

Got some exotic dancers in your family huh?

Guess Tee09's family friends profession.....Teachers?

[Don Adams Wheel of Justice]

The one that gets me is when I point out to my teacher friends that they only work 180 days a year they say, "well yeah but I have to correct papers on my own time". Really? I spend a crapload of time at work doing things I don't get paid for too. You don't hear me whining.

I'd say from personal experience that 90% of teachers teach because they get summers off and fat pensions. The other 10% actually have altruistic motives.

[Bertogliat]

The one that gets me is when I point out to my teacher friends that they only work 180 days a year they say, "well yeah but I have to correct papers on my own time". Really? I spend a crapload of time at work doing things I don't get paid for too. You don't hear me whining.

I'd say from personal experience that 90% of teachers teach because they get summers off and fat pensions. The other 10% actually have altruistic motives.

Fat pensions? No. I think I read an article recently that said the average is $1300 per mo.
And, I think they pay into the pensions like I do for 401k. But unlike 401K the union chooses the investment and pays out pensions based on how the investments perform. So I think they pay 6% or so, no more or less and get paid out based on the pool.

If they want more retirement money they can invest in a 403B, which many choose to do. You don't see too many people go into teaching because it is an awesome lifestyle. I think the teachers in my district have been on a pay freeze for 3 or 4 years.

[Handyman]

I'd say from personal experience that 90% of teachers teach because they get summers off and fat pensions. The other 10% actually have altruistic motives.

Obvious Troll is obvious...

[sunbone]

My Dad taught for 40 years. I would think with these fat pensions everyone talks about he would be living a little more high off the hog than he is right now. I grew up around teachers and never heard one of them whining about pay or benefits. I won't even go into the "summer off" myth because I didn't know any teachers that didn't have a second job during the summer months. Weird how all of these people that have problems with teachers seem to find this huge group of them that whine about their jobs and spend summers sitting on their asses when most of us who have spent the most time around teachers never see it. Almost makes one wonder if some people are being disingenous because for some reason they have an agenda.

[Beauner]

My Dad taught for 40 years. I would think with these fat pensions everyone talks about he would be living a little more high off the hog than he is right now. I grew up around teachers and never heard one of them whining about pay or benefits. I won't even go into the "summer off" myth because I didn't know any teachers that didn't have a second job during the summer months. Weird how all of these people that have problems with teachers seem to find this huge group of them that whine about their jobs and spend summers sitting on their asses when most of us who have spent the most time around teachers never see it. Almost makes one wonder if some people are being disingenous because for some reason they have an agenda.

A buddy of mine is teaching 7th-12th graders in a small SD high school and is working 2 jobs WHILE teaching. He teaches during the day, and when he's out of school he goes to work at a golf course. He then works both days on weekends, usually 10-12 hour shifts.
Haven't heard him complain once about the pay or the hours. In fact, the only time I ever heard him say anything bad about it is when the kids wouldn't shut up when he was trying to give them a review for their test.

[Kelly Red]

My Dad taught for 40 years. I would think with these fat pensions everyone talks about he would be living a little more high off the hog than he is right now. I grew up around teachers and never heard one of them whining about pay or benefits. I won't even go into the "summer off" myth because I didn't know any teachers that didn't have a second job during the summer months. Weird how all of these people that have problems with teachers seem to find this huge group of them that whine about their jobs and spend summers sitting on their asses when most of us who have spent the most time around teachers never see it. Almost makes one wonder if some people are being disingenous because for some reason they have an agenda.

Both of my parents were teachers; JH biology and kindergarden. They didn't get paid in the summer. They got paid for the 9 months they worked and had to budget on their own to cover the summer months. My mom took care of us during the summer and my dad worked as a house painter/shingler with 2 other teachers in the summer. I don't think I knew a single teacher who sat on their ass for 3 months, most picked up jobs and continued to work.

[Handyman]

Well to be fair to those that think teachers are the problem...methinks some of them probably are dealing with rich suburbanite school districts where things are a bit different. No one who knows anyone that teaches in a city school or even some of the first ring suburbs is thinking that those people are living the sweet life.

I have a buddy who teaches in the Robbinsdale 281 district (our old district that used to be decently affluent before Wayzata got their new school) and to make ends meet he works in a youth group for a synagogue (he was assistant youth director a salaried position) he helped in a theatre department at another school and works weekends at a restaurant. As an on-call bartender/sub for the time being I live a better life than he does in many ways. He never complains either.

But yeah...we are all a bunch of whiney asses burning hundred dollar bills working part time if you listen to some people.

[WPoSforever]

I want to a high school in a smaller town and got to know a lot of the teachers outside of school and also have many friends going into teaching. There are many people that enjoy what they do a lot and never complain about pay and hours, but I have a hard time believing that some of you never heard a teacher complain about work/hours. Majority of the ones I know also do not work in the summer. I will put a disclaimer: I went to high school in Wisconsin.

[Don Adams Wheel of Justice]

I know a lot of teachers. I don't know any who work in the summer except for a couple who run weight rooms or do some summer coaching. The rest of them play golf most days.

In my line of work (financial services) I have worked with many teachers over the years who have retired at age 55 with nice pensions, 6 figure retirement acccounts, and lake cabins.

I'm sure a lot of brand new teachers are having a hard time finding jobs or work multiple jobs. But to think that a majority of teachers scrape by check to check would require me to disbelieve my own experiences.

[SouthTexGopher]

Just a comment from an employer's perspective...

Teachers are overpaid. Period.

Do we have a nationwide problem filling teaching positions? No. Until we have a 5+% vacancy rate in filling teaching positions, we're probably paying them too much.

[rowshkex]

Just a comment from an employer's perspective...

Teachers are overpaid. Period.

Do we have a nationwide problem filling teaching positions? No. Until we have a 5+% vacancy rate in filling teaching positions, we're probably paying them too much.

I'd rather pay them more despite the low vacancy rate, because I value them more than other jobs.

[Tee09]

Just a comment from an employer's perspective...

Teachers are overpaid. Period.

Do we have a nationwide problem filling teaching positions? No. Until we have a 5+% vacancy rate in filling teaching positions, we're probably paying them too much.

I'd rather pay them more despite the low vacancy rate, because I value them more than other jobs.

So you'd pay them more (of other people's money) than you need to?

And why would you value them more than other jobs? There are plenty of important jobs, but, and this is part of the point of my original pet peeve, teachers seem to think they are special in this regard.

[HockeyBum]

Just a comment from an employer's perspective...

Teachers are overpaid. Period.

Do we have a nationwide problem filling teaching positions? No. Until we have a 5+% vacancy rate in filling teaching positions, we're probably paying them too much.

I've always been amazed at how supply and demand apparently doesn't apply to the teaching profession. We hear that teachers are so underpaid (which isn't true), yet there is a surplus of teachers.

My sister has been a teacher in the Anoka-Hennepin school district for 15+ years. She makes a lot more than I do, and she has summers off to boot. Nice work if you can get it.

[Gopherguy05]

Just a comment from an employer's perspective...

Teachers are overpaid. Period.

Do we have a nationwide problem filling teaching positions? No. Until we have a 5+% vacancy rate in filling teaching positions, we're probably paying them too much.

I'd rather pay them more despite the low vacancy rate, because I value them more than other jobs.

So you'd pay them more (of other people's money) than you need to?

And why would you value them more than other jobs? There are plenty of important jobs, but, and this is part of the point of my original pet peeve, teachers seem to think they are special in this regard.

Yes, but unless you were taught well by a good teacher, chances are you aren't going to be anywhere close to qualified for one of those other important jobs.

[sunbone]

I know a cop who retired after only 25 years. And he has a cabin. It also doesn't seem like there are a ton of police officer jobs in this area going unfilled. I guess the only conclusion I can draw from this limited anecdotal experience is that police officers are way overpaid. Not to mention the obscene benefits they get.

[Bigbeer]

I'd say teachers pay is just about right. If you have to work a second job, it's by your choice whether it's cause you're a busybody or thru poor financial decisions. And don't complain about having to work a second job when you buy a new car every 5 years or whatever else you do to keep up with the Joneses American dream.

On the other side, I'd say chasing around 1st graders can probably be pretty exhausting. And dealing with moronic teenagers is probably mentally exhausting. Throw in half assed parents who think their kids can do no wrong and blame you for their sh**ty to non-existenent parenting and I'd say they're probably paid reasonably.

[Don Adams Wheel of Justice]

I know a cop who retired after only 25 years. And he has a cabin. It also doesn't seem like there are a ton of police officer jobs in this area going unfilled. I guess the only conclusion I can draw from this limited anecdotal experience is that police officers are way overpaid. Not to mention the obscene benefits they get.

You're not actually comparing a teacher's job to a police officer, are you?

[Gopherguy05]

I know a cop who retired after only 25 years. And he has a cabin. It also doesn't seem like there are a ton of police officer jobs in this area going unfilled. I guess the only conclusion I can draw from this limited anecdotal experience is that police officers are way overpaid. Not to mention the obscene benefits they get.

You're not actually comparing a teacher's job to a police officer, are you?

If you don't listen to one for the first part of your life, chances are you will be seeing a lot of the other the second part of your life.....