Headline News 2012

[Golden FE Ranger]

Depends what you mean by "we". It wasn't exactly popular when it started and it became even less popular as it went on.

You are kidding, right? Either that or you are being willfully ignorant.

[trixR4kids]

What exactly is your argument here?

[5 O.T.]

What exactly is your argument here?

Could be this:

Authorization for Use of Force against Terrorists Sept 14, 2001

House of Representatives voted 420 Ayes 1 Nay and 10 Not voting. The single nay was Barbara Lee D-CA.

Senate voted 98 Aye 0 Nay 2 Present Not Voting Jesse Helms-R, Larry Craig-R

Signed into law by President Bush on Sept 18, 2001

[Norm]

Hell, I still have some cans of the old R-12 that cars took in the 70's & 80's.

[trixR4kids]

What exactly is your argument here?

Could be this:

Authorization for Use of Force against Terrorists Sept 14, 2001

House of Representatives voted 420 Ayes 1 Nay and 10 Not voting. The single nay was Barbara Lee D-CA.

Senate voted 98 Aye 0 Nay 2 Present Not Voting Jesse Helms-R, Larry Craig-R

Signed into law by President Bush on Sept 18, 2001

The Authorization for Use of Military Force [1] is a joint resolution passed by the United States Congress on September 14, 2001, authorizing the use of United States Armed Forces against those responsible for the attacks on September 11, 2001. The authorization granted the President the authority to use all "necessary and appropriate force" against those whom he determined "planned, authorized, committed or aided" the September 11th attacks, or who harbored said persons or groups. The AUMF was signed by President George W. Bush on September 18, 2001.

Is not the Iraq war...

[Golden FE Ranger]

Is not the Iraq war...

This whole discussion began with discussion over events in Afghanistan. Approximately 88% of Americans supported military intervention "at the beginning."

[trixR4kids]

I don't think most people thought we'd be there over a decade later though. As it went on it became increasingly unpopular.

I was mostly talking about Iraq though.

At first glance, we are just fine with a long drawn out conflict with minimal daily casualties in exchange for never winning.

I was also responding to this, and expressing the sentiment that both wars are pretty unpopular right now.

[Slap Shot]

Is not the Iraq war...

This whole discussion began with discussion over events in Afghanistan. Approximately 88% of Americans supported military intervention "at the beginning."

YOU KNOW DAMN RIGHT!!!

(sorry, obscure KQ reference just came to mind. I agree with your response)

[The Rube]

Is not the Iraq war...

This whole discussion began with discussion over events in Afghanistan. Approximately 88% of Americans supported military intervention "at the beginning."

YOU KNOW DAMN RIGHT!!!

(sorry, obscure KQ reference just came to mind. I agree with your response)

NISH NISH!

[george]

Hope nobody's AC unit needs a Freon re-charge.

http://kstp.com/news/stories/S2683122.shtml?cat=1

I know where I can get about 40 lbs. of it.

Yeah, but pumping it out of your neighbor's unit is risky.

[5 O.T.]

What exactly is your argument here?

Could be this:

Authorization for Use of Force against Terrorists Sept 14, 2001

House of Representatives voted 420 Ayes 1 Nay and 10 Not voting. The single nay was Barbara Lee D-CA.

Senate voted 98 Aye 0 Nay 2 Present Not Voting Jesse Helms-R, Larry Craig-R

Signed into law by President Bush on Sept 18, 2001

The Authorization for Use of Military Force [1] is a joint resolution passed by the United States Congress on September 14, 2001, authorizing the use of United States Armed Forces against those responsible for the attacks on September 11, 2001. The authorization granted the President the authority to use all "necessary and appropriate force" against those whom he determined "planned, authorized, committed or aided" the September 11th attacks, or who harbored said persons or groups. The AUMF was signed by President George W. Bush on September 18, 2001.

Is not the Iraq war...

I wasn't referring to Iraq and neither was the Authorization I cited.

[trixR4kids]

At first glance, we are just fine with a long drawn out conflict with minimal daily casualties in exchange for never winning.

Again I was responding to this. I was saying that long drawn out conflicts were never exactly popular to begin with (in the post you quoted). I doubt nearly as many people are in favor of military action in Afghanistan if they knew it would last 13 years. And obviously if you ask people about military action in Afghanistan right after 9/11, you're gonna get a kneejerk reaction.

[Zwak]

Beer & wine sales (no hard liquor) at U arenas to be discussed this week by regents. Plan would be to sell beer & wine until the end of half time.

http://www.startribune.com/local/161873205.html

[gopher6]

17 year old loses arm to alligator

http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2012/07/10/te ... alligator/

[trixR4kids]

I'm impressed that he was able to swim away with one arm.

[5 O.T.]

At first glance, we are just fine with a long drawn out conflict with minimal daily casualties in exchange for never winning.

Again I was responding to this. I was saying that long drawn out conflicts were never exactly popular to begin with (in the post you quoted). I doubt nearly as many people are in favor of military action in Afghanistan if they knew it would last 13 years. And obviously if you ask people about military action in Afghanistan right after 9/11, you're gonna get a kneejerk reaction.

Yeah, you're right, it was a kneejerk reaction.

[phish]

At first glance, we are just fine with a long drawn out conflict with minimal daily casualties in exchange for never winning.

Again I was responding to this. I was saying that long drawn out conflicts were never exactly popular to begin with (in the post you quoted). I doubt nearly as many people are in favor of military action in Afghanistan if they knew it would last 13 years. And obviously if you ask people about military action in Afghanistan right after 9/11, you're gonna get a kneejerk reaction.

Yeah, you're right, it was a kneejerk reaction.

Not sure what the point of your post is. All Trix said was that if you asked someone about military action shortly after 9/11 you will get a kneejerk reaction and he's 100% right. Emotion is too high, of course everyone is gung ho about taking military action at that time. Even liberal hippies like myself.

[trixR4kids]

I think most people wanted REVENGE and saw this as an opportunity to do that. Without really thinking through the other parts of the plan.

Even liberal hippies like myself.

Thus 88%.

[5 O.T.]

At first glance, we are just fine with a long drawn out conflict with minimal daily casualties in exchange for never winning.

Again I was responding to this. I was saying that long drawn out conflicts were never exactly popular to begin with (in the post you quoted). I doubt nearly as many people are in favor of military action in Afghanistan if they knew it would last 13 years. And obviously if you ask people about military action in Afghanistan right after 9/11, you're gonna get a kneejerk reaction.

Yeah, you're right, it was a kneejerk reaction.

Not sure what the point of your post is. All Trix said was that if you asked someone about military action shortly after 9/11 you will get a kneejerk reaction and he's 100% right. Emotion is too high, of course everyone is gung ho about taking military action at that time. Even liberal hippies like myself.

I interpreted Trix's use of the term "kneejerk" as characterizing in a disparaging way our military response to an act of war. We attacked Afghanistan nearly a month after we were attacked. Not like we really rushed into it. Not too sure where he got the 13 years in Afghanistan from either since it will be 11 years in October.

[sec 16 row16 seat 16 17]

Senser joe was probably at the restaurant looking for a new woman.

[5 O.T.]

Doctors unhappy with Obamacare: 83% of Doctors surveyed responded that they have considered quitting the medical profession over Obamacare.

http://www.doctorsandpatients.org/resou ... -june-2012

[rowshkex]

Doctors unhappy with Obamacare: 83% of Doctors surveyed responded that they have considered quitting the medical profession over Obamacare.

http://www.doctorsandpatients.org/resou ... -june-2012

The survey methodology there seems incredibly poor (including the meager response rate--often a direct indication that it is the vocal minority that speaks out, ESPECIALLY considering this is raw data and NOT adjusted for based on physician demographics), and many of the questions there are unfairly broad and unclear. In addition, the 83% you mention does NOT indicate the ACA as the reason--it simply says "current changes", and if you keep track of health care AT ALL, there are a multitude of other significant changes that the Affordable Care Act does NOT address that actually affects practice significantly MORE than the ACA.

Not only that, but people who use "Obamacare" in survey methodology are typically more conservative anyway...

Just a warning to anyone who reads this.

[jallengarry]

Wow...just when I thought you couldn't amaze me anymore O.T. This is so incredible misleading and a joke.

[psych]

Doctors unhappy with Obamacare: 83% of Doctors surveyed responded that they have considered quitting the medical profession over Obamacare.

http://www.doctorsandpatients.org/resou ... -june-2012

The survey methodology there seems incredibly poor (including the meager response rate--often a direct indication that it is the vocal minority that speaks out, ESPECIALLY considering this is raw data and NOT adjusted for based on physician demographics), and many of the questions there are unfairly broad and unclear. In addition, the 83% you mention does NOT indicate the ACA as the reason--it simply says "current changes", and if you keep track of health care AT ALL, there are a multitude of other significant changes that the Affordable Care Act does NOT address that actually affects practice significantly MORE than the ACA.

Not only that, but people who use "Obamacare" in survey methodology are typically more conservative anyway...

Just a warning to anyone who reads this.

This actually sums up exactly what I was going to say, only more succinctly, and since you are in that field (and not a flaming liberal ), your post carries more weight around here. Well done.

[5 O.T.]

Wow...just when I thought you couldn't amaze me anymore O.T. This is so incredible misleading and a joke.

Why do you say that? Just linking to a survey of medical professionals and mentioning a bullet point from the survey. What's the problem?

[trixR4kids]

At first glance, we are just fine with a long drawn out conflict with minimal daily casualties in exchange for never winning.

Again I was responding to this. I was saying that long drawn out conflicts were never exactly popular to begin with (in the post you quoted). I doubt nearly as many people are in favor of military action in Afghanistan if they knew it would last 13 years. And obviously if you ask people about military action in Afghanistan right after 9/11, you're gonna get a kneejerk reaction.

Yeah, you're right, it was a kneejerk reaction.

Not sure what the point of your post is. All Trix said was that if you asked someone about military action shortly after 9/11 you will get a kneejerk reaction and he's 100% right. Emotion is too high, of course everyone is gung ho about taking military action at that time. Even liberal hippies like myself.

I interpreted Trix's use of the term "kneejerk" as characterizing in a disparaging way our military response to an act of war. We attacked Afghanistan nearly a month after we were attacked. Not like we really rushed into it. Not too sure where he got the 13 years in Afghanistan from either since it will be 11 years in October.

For some reason I thought it was 2014 or something... lol.

Again, you ask people a couple weeks after september 11th if they want to go start a war in Afghanistan and 88% seems almost low. Not exactly surprising. Christ, it wasn't uncommon to hear people wanting to nuke the entire country at that time.

[Kelor]

Pigs will fly

http://travel.aol.co.uk/2012/07/10/pigs ... n-flights/

New air travel rules could mean that pot-bellied pigs, miniature horses and monkeys could all be allowed to travel on planes if they offer passengers "emotional support".

[Kelor]

Wow...just when I thought you couldn't amaze me anymore O.T. This is so incredible misleading and a joke.

Why do you say that? Just linking to a survey of medical professionals and mentioning a bullet point from the survey. What's the problem?

Jallen, are you suggesting that doctors are going to be excited about even greater government bureaucracy in the medical field? Maybe I'm unique, but I've asked my Twin Cities doc flat out what he thinks of Obamacare. His near verbatim comment was that he will be retiring sooner than anticipated. We have already seen the massive influx of docs that will not accept any Medicare patients. There is no way you could blame them.

[jallengarry]

Of the many things that I'm suggesting (most of which are so elementary that if they were already misunderstood as evidenced by a choice to champion such information they aren't worth getting into in said forum) is that if your attempting to offer data worth any value towards spurring intelligent discussion... you don't take interpretive liberty with a headline. Second, and more importantly, you might want to put some critical thought into the findings before you trowel them out. You don't need to be a research design wonk to understand garbage in-garbage out. You also need not look past the first ? on the survey you get a feel for what's going on here...

1. How do current changes in the medical system affect your desire to practice medicine?

I'm re-energized - 4.6%

Makes me think about quitting - 82.6%

Unsure/no opinion - 12.8%

I'm also not sure what generalizing from a sample of one offers other than an anecdote from your doc. I could offer back opinions on how it would affect my or my colleagues practice but they'd be just that...biased opinions. For example...if your provider is considering "retiring sooner" that sort of suggests he is an older, more experienced physician...either that or he's not so disinclined to practice despite the perceived atrocity that he's willing to "hang on and scrape by" for several years. One of the consistent findings if you even start to scratch the surface of a more in-depth inquiry on the subject is that you'll find statistically significant differences in opinion from providers based on age with older providers being con. Again...one simple thing to consider. To go deeper would be to pretend that initially offering such information was an attempt at bolstering an intelligent argument rather than the making a political statement. Without even knowing you or O.T. I'll take it on faith that neither of you is that ignorant. It's cool...we all do it from time to time here...but lets all call it what it is.

[rowshkex]

Wow...just when I thought you couldn't amaze me anymore O.T. This is so incredible misleading and a joke.

Why do you say that? Just linking to a survey of medical professionals and mentioning a bullet point from the survey. What's the problem?

Jallen, are you suggesting that doctors are going to be excited about even greater government bureaucracy in the medical field? Maybe I'm unique, but I've asked my Twin Cities doc flat out what he thinks of Obamacare. His near verbatim comment was that he will be retiring sooner than anticipated. We have already seen the massive influx of docs that will not accept any Medicare patients. There is no way you could blame them.

And how exactly do you connect the ACA to newly trained physicians not accepting Medicare...? You do realize that the ACA actually provides INCREASED Medicare reimbursement to primary care physicians, right? Just because it doesn't address the SGR doesn't mean it makes things WORSE (if that's what you are referring to--and I'm assuming it is, because that's one of the primary drivers of tempered reimbursements). If that's the case, then every bill, even those that don't have anything to do with the SGR are pushing physicians to retirement...

Anecdotes don't count. The vast majority of physicians I have spoken to regarding the ACA talk about how it's a generally positive change, but does need work (if you didn't think that, you'd be nuts).

[Golden FE Ranger]

I think most people wanted REVENGE and saw this as an opportunity to do that. Without really thinking through the other parts of the plan.

Even liberal hippies like myself.

Thus 88%.

What you call revenge, I call justice. I think most people wanted those responsible held to account after the initial shock wore off. Given the circumstances and the level of shock, I actually think most Americans were quite restrained and level headed.

[The Rube]

Daniel Tosh in trouble for making fun about rape.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/1 ... ertainment

I defend Mr Tosh. I submit "Blazing Saddles." If that's not funny, you hate America.

[Armadillo]

Newsflash: comedy can be offensive.

[greydogg]

Breaking News in Canada

[Don Adams Wheel of Justice]

Daniel Tosh in trouble for making fun about rape.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/1 ... ertainment

I defend Mr Tosh. I submit "Blazing Saddles." If that's not funny, you hate America.

His mistake was making it personal about an audience member.

[trixR4kids]

At first glance, we are just fine with a long drawn out conflict with minimal daily casualties in exchange for never winning.

What you call revenge, I call justice. I think most people wanted those responsible held to account after the initial shock wore off. Given the circumstances and the level of shock, I actually think most Americans were quite restrained and level headed.

Ok fine.

That still doesn't make either war popular today. And if ppl knew the the Afghanistan war would last until 2014 (all troops will be out by then) I doubt 88% would have been in favor of it, even when America was at its most reactionary. As for the war in Iraq, that was completely misleading and I'm not even going to get into that. That war became increasing unpopular as well.

So going back to what I originally said:

At first glance, we are just fine with a long drawn out conflict with minimal daily casualties in exchange for never winning.

Depends what you mean by "we". It wasn't exactly popular when it started and it became even less popular as it went on.

No we aren't ok with drawing out daily casualties in exchange for never winning. Nobody was back then either, but they didn't know we were going to fight two long drawn out wars and were very reactionary at the time. Unless you can somehow prove that people knew these wars were going to be long drawn out wars and still voted for them, you're still wrong.

[st8ofhockey]

Newsflash: comedy can be offensive.

I agree, but I think - at some level - when people rely on the base and offensive at the source of humor (see: Bob Saget), they expose that they're actually fairly one-dimensional as a talent, rather than genuinely funny and creative. Look at a guy like Steve Martin... he had bits that were by no means family appropriate, but never had to lean on that to make people laugh. I honestly don't find Daniel Tosh funny in the slightest.

[Zwak]

If you have DirectTV (like I do), you are not able to get AMC, MTV, Comedy Central, or Nickelodeon right now as their parent company (Viacom) and DirectTV are in a contract dispute.

http://online.wsj.com/article/BT-CO-201 ... 05115.html

[fake shemp]

San Bernardino seeks bankruptcy protection
http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me ... 6419.story

San Bernardino, facing the possibility of missing payroll, becomes California's third city in weeks to authorize a bankruptcy filing.
"The city's fiscal crisis has been years in the making, compounded by the nation's crushing recession and exacerbated by escalating pension costs, lucrative labor agreements, Sacramento's raid on redevelopment funds and a city reserve that is tapped out, officials said."

[Bobwolf]

If you have DirectTV (like I do), you are not able to get AMC, MTV, Comedy Central, or Nickelodeon right now as their parent company (Viacom) and DirectTV are in a contract dispute.

http://online.wsj.com/article/BT-CO-201 ... 05115.html

AMC is not a Viacomm channel. The only channel I even remotely care about on the list is Comedy Central, and I can get all the shows I want from them over the internet. Would rather DirecTV to tell them where to shove it, and give me a discount on my bill. (Like that will ever happen)

[Zwak]

If you have DirectTV (like I do), you are not able to get AMC, MTV, Comedy Central, or Nickelodeon right now as their parent company (Viacom) and DirectTV are in a contract dispute.

http://online.wsj.com/article/BT-CO-201 ... 05115.html

AMC is not a Viacomm channel. The only channel I even remotely care about on the list is Comedy Central, and I can get all the shows I want from them over the internet. Would rather DirecTV to tell them where to shove it, and give me a discount on my bill. (Like that will ever happen)

My bad. I think AMC is actually having a contract issue with Dish Network.

[gopher6]

mother leaves disabled daughter at a bar no charges filed.

http://www.cnn.com/2012/07/10/us/mother ... ?hpt=us_c2

[Beauner]

Daniel Tosh in trouble for making fun about rape.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/1 ... ertainment

I defend Mr Tosh. I submit "Blazing Saddles." If that's not funny, you hate America.

His mistake was making it personal about an audience member.

The problem with that argument is that pretty much anybody that has heard Tosh's stuff knows he touches on stuff like that all the time. In one of his standups he talks about his sister getting raped because he switched out her pepper spray with silly string.
If you don't like stuff that borders on the edgy/inappropriate/insensitive stuff, don't go to a comedian who is pretty well known for making his living on that stuff. That would be akin to going to a Lisa Lampanelli show and getting offended when she makes fun of your race/sexual preference/age or anything else she makes fun of constantly. Doesn't make it right, but if you're sensitive about something, why subject yourself to it?

It's a comedy show. Most comedians I've heard/seen don't really react too well when an audience member interrupts their show. I was listening to a Christopher Titus stand up a while back and an audience member who took antidepressants took offense to Titus joking about prescription pill abuse etc. The guy tried to heckle Titus, and Titus immediately went on the attack. It's what they do. If you don't like it, go to a Jim Gaffigan show, or Kevin Hart, or hundreds of other comics that stay pretty far from the edge. (And for the record, I love Tosh, Gaffigan, Titus, and Hart all for different reasons. Funny is funny.)

[Golden FE Ranger]

Depends what you mean by "we". It wasn't exactly popular when it started and it became even less popular as it went on."

you're still wrong.

Your right. The war wasn't exactly popular when it started*. I can not match your ability to make things up. I give. You win.

*with the 8% of people who opposed it

[trixR4kids]

Clearly they were expecting a drawn out war that lasted until 2014 and a war that couldn't technically be won. That was the part of his post I was referring to.

I've made my point abundantly clear, we're gonna just have to agree to disagree, I don't feel like arguing about this anymore.

[trixR4kids]

The Freeh report just came out and, not surprisingly, paints the officials of PSU in a not so positive light. I haven't really had a chance to read it because it's 267 pages long.

http://espn.go.com/college-football/sto ... en-welfare

the actual report: http://assets.espn.go.com/pdf/2012/0712 ... elease.pdf

[streakygopher]

The Freeh report just came out and, not surprisingly, paints the officials of PSU in a not so positive light. I haven't really had a chance to read it because it's 267 pages long.

http://espn.go.com/college-football/sto ... en-welfare

the actual report: http://assets.espn.go.com/pdf/2012/0712 ... elease.pdf

The Executive Summary, Page 13, is a two-minute read. What I get from it is that the University pretty much has assigned guilt to 4 guys who haven't even been charged with anything yet (they will be)...so much for due process. The University better cash in some of those bonds ... they'll need a truck load of cash to settle this one.

[gopher6]

Russian mig jet crashes at flying -Cloud Airport

http://www.kare11.com/news/article/9828 ... ud-Airport

[george]

Russian mig jet crashes at St.Cloud Airport

http://www.kare11.com/news/article/9828 ... ud-Airport

Umm, Flying Cloud in Eden Prairie, not St. Cloud.

Edit: And crash is what the article said, but I don't think over shooting the runway on landing is quite a "crash."

[Armadillo]

Russian mig jet crashes at St.Cloud Airport

http://www.kare11.com/news/article/9828 ... ud-Airport

Umm, Flying Cloud in Eden Prairie, not St. Cloud.

Edit: And crash is what the article said, but I don't think over shooting the runway on landing is quite a "crash."

I'd say it is.

[george]

For that one, yeah. For the Mig, not so much.

[davescharf]

For those of you with Best Buy online accounts, you might want to consider changing your password since someone is getting their hands on passwords.

Of course, the one thing they don't point out when you change your account is that they don't accept special characters (at least not a ? or !) so that's a little bothersome.

[5 O.T.]

Che Guevara t-shirts banned at Olympic venues: It's a start...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... kdown.html

[Zwak]

US Olympic Team uniforms designed by Ralph Lauren, but made in China.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-18822107

I personally don't think it is a huge deal, but I do think they should have used common sense and had them made in the US.

Anyone remember when the official vehicle of the US Ski Team was a Subaru (long before Subaru made cars in Indiana).

[WPoS]

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1241871-west-point-football-former-army-qb-chase-prasnicki-dies-in-afghanistan

Lest we forget, the guys who play for Army aren't there for football.

Thanks, dx. Prayers out for the family.

It's been a horrible 2 days for U.S. troops. A nearby neighbor used to have a Bush Killed banner in his front yard where he would change the number when a military personnel was killed. It was removed when Obama took office. I guess it wasn't a protest about war (as I initially thought) as much as it was that he was a DUMBACRAT.

The death toll in the last 3 years has been catastrophic, yet our media all but looks blindly to the daily deaths.

honestly, up to the day that Obama won the election you heard (it seemed) every day the current death toll. Magiaclly when Obama won and then took office, lint on the floor gets more media play. Yes, I think it was all political.

W

[trixR4kids]

Well if it were Bush we'd hear him talking about prolonging the war and how succesful it is every couple weeks. When Obama got in office you knew there was actually an end in sight.

I guess my point is the media (that isn't fox news) no longer needs to beat a dead horse by railing on an unpopular war when there's actually an anticipated date that it will finish by.

[5 O.T.]

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1241871-west-point-football-former-army-qb-chase-prasnicki-dies-in-afghanistan

Lest we forget, the guys who play for Army aren't there for football.

Thanks, dx. Prayers out for the family.

It's been a horrible 2 days for U.S. troops. A nearby neighbor used to have a Bush Killed banner in his front yard where he would change the number when a military personnel was killed. It was removed when Obama took office. I guess it wasn't a protest about war (as I initially thought) as much as it was that he was a DUMBACRAT.

The death toll in the last 3 years has been catastrophic, yet our media all but looks blindly to the daily deaths.

honestly, up to the day that Obama won the election you heard (it seemed) every day the current death toll. Magiaclly when Obama won and then took office, lint on the floor gets more media play. Yes, I think it was all political.

W

100%.

[WPoS]

Well if it were Bush we'd hear him talking about prolonging the war and how succesful it is every couple weeks. When Obama got in office you knew there was actually an end in sight.

I guess my point is the media (that isn't fox news) no longer needs to beat a dead horse by railing on an unpopular war when there's actually an anticipated date that it will finish by.

it's not the media's job to "beat a dead horse". It's their job to report the news, not a political agenda.

W

[trixR4kids]

It's their job to make money via ads.

[davescharf]

So are we done going down this tangent? It's extremely annoying that nearly every time people open this thread they have to listen to people banter about stuff that 95% of us don't want to read and that Jup/GE always seem to have to end up cleaning up later.

[trixR4kids]

The idea that anybody goes to this thread to read news devoid of an opinion is laughable. If you don't want to read political banter then don't read this thread. Go to yahoo/msn/cnn/abc and just read the news, it's not that difficult.

And if Jup/GE/whoever wants the political banter to stop I'd be happy to.

EDIT: The thing is, these threads always end up heading that direction until someone puts a stop to it. The only way you're going to eliminate banter is if you only allow people to post the article and nothing else. Which wouldn't be a great alternative either.

[Jupiter]

I just think talking politics/religion is just a huge pissing match that is a complete waste of time. Usually nothing good comes from it.

[trixR4kids]

I think a lot of good can come from forcing people to actually think critically about their opinions once in a while. It's helped me in a lot of ways actually.

Whether it belongs on this forum is a different discussion.

[5 O.T.]

I just think talking politics/religion is just a huge pissing match that is a complete waste of time. Usually nothing good comes from it.

I thought WPOS was making a critique of the media more than anything. His observation dovetails with comments you had made earlier in the week on the very same subject. Which is how the media is treating casualties in Afghanistan. It's pretty obvious really and WPOS was spot on.

Sadly... I think the media is not reporting it so much is because the numbers of deaths compared to other major wars in the last 100 years is just so much smaller in comparison. Soldiers are just not getting killed at the rate that they were in the wars I list below. This is fantastic and shows how good our military is, but it's just not enough "death" for the media to latch their grubby little hands on to.

Military Deaths (deaths per day)
WW1: 116,516 (279)
WW2: 405,399 (416)
Korea: 36,516 (45)
Vietnam: 58,209 (26)
Iraq/Afganistan/War on Terror: 6,280 (1.72)

[sunbone]

On a day when Bjugstad announces he is coming back some people still can't stuff a sock in their political opinions. For one day. On a Gopher hockey message board. I think most of you guys know that the vast majority of us don't give a rat's ass what you think about politics but you still don't stop. Not sure if you are suffering from political narcissism or what. I hate to break it to you guys but none of the political opinions I read here are groundbreaking stuff. Most of it sounds like bullet points from the RNC or the DNC. If GPL were a cocktail party, you are the guys I would do a Chuck Foreman spin move on to avoid talking to.

[trixR4kids]

You can only post so many for B-Jugs return.

[team22tank]

On a day when Bjugstad announces he is coming back some people still can't stuff a sock in their political opinions. For one day. On a Gopher hockey message board. I think most of you guys know that the vast majority of us don't give a rat's ass what you think about politics but you still don't stop. Not sure if you are suffering from political narcissism or what. I hate to break it to you guys but none of the political opinions I read here are groundbreaking stuff. Most of it sounds like bullet points from the RNC or the DNC. If GPL were a cocktail party, you are the guys I would do a Chuck Foreman spin move on to avoid talking to.

I would be the one talking to all the babes...

[5 O.T.]

On a day when Bjugstad announces he is coming back some people still can't stuff a sock in their political opinions. For one day. On a Gopher hockey message board. I think most of you guys know that the vast majority of us don't give a rat's ass what you think about politics but you still don't stop. Not sure if you are suffering from political narcissism or what. I hate to break it to you guys but none of the political opinions I read here are groundbreaking stuff. Most of it sounds like bullet points from the RNC or the DNC. If GPL were a cocktail party, you are the guys I would do a Chuck Foreman spin move on to avoid talking to.

And the earth stood still.

Sorry but diving into a discussion about projected line combinations and comments grinding on Holl and Helgeson really don't hold my interest.

When did you become the spokesman for "the vast majority of us" on GPL?

[greydogg]

I just think talking politics/religion is just a huge pissing match that is a complete waste of time. Usually nothing good comes from it.

[sunbone]

On a day when Bjugstad announces he is coming back some people still can't stuff a sock in their political opinions. For one day. On a Gopher hockey message board. I think most of you guys know that the vast majority of us don't give a rat's ass what you think about politics but you still don't stop. Not sure if you are suffering from political narcissism or what. I hate to break it to you guys but none of the political opinions I read here are groundbreaking stuff. Most of it sounds like bullet points from the RNC or the DNC. If GPL were a cocktail party, you are the guys I would do a Chuck Foreman spin move on to avoid talking to.

And the earth stood still.

Sorry but diving into a discussion about projected line combinations and comments grinding on Holl and Helgeson really don't hold my interest.

When did you become the spokesman for "the vast majority of us" on GPL?

Maybe I am completely wrong and everybody here finds you and the others spellbinding and can't wait to see what kernels of political wisdom you guys come up with next. But I highly doubt it.

[Hobey Baker]

Charges say father slashed the throats of his three daughters (youngest was also strangled) in the Schaffhausen case.


This is so sad and disturbing!!!

[Armadillo]

On a day when Bjugstad announces he is coming back some people still can't stuff a sock in their political opinions. For one day. On a Gopher hockey message board. I think most of you guys know that the vast majority of us don't give a rat's ass what you think about politics but you still don't stop. Not sure if you are suffering from political narcissism or what. I hate to break it to you guys but none of the political opinions I read here are groundbreaking stuff. Most of it sounds like bullet points from the RNC or the DNC. If GPL were a cocktail party, you are the guys I would do a Chuck Foreman spin move on to avoid talking to.

And the earth stood still.

Sorry but diving into a discussion about projected line combinations and comments grinding on Holl and Helgeson really don't hold my interest.

When did you become the spokesman for "the vast majority of us" on GPL?

Maybe I am completely wrong and everybody here finds you and the others spellbinding and can't wait to see what kernels of political wisdom you guys come up with next. But I highly doubt it.

Then do what I do when I encounter a topic on these vast forums that I don't really care about:

Move to a different thread.

[fake shemp]

Then do what I do when I encounter a topic on these vast forums that I don't really care about:

Move to a different thread.

Precisely. It's not a terribly difficult concept, unless of course you would rather just whine about the post's
of others because you don't find them interesting.
That of course is in itself quite riveting to read.
I guess I missed Jup's edict stating we are all obligated to go to each and every thread and read each and every post.
Who knew?

[5 O.T.]

Harry Reid: Burn 'em all and start over.

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/20 ... ms-burned/

[Armadillo]

Harry Reid: Burn 'em all and start over.

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/20 ... ms-burned/

The problem is, there really aren't any clothes made in America anymore. Something like 98% of all clothing sold in the U.S. is made overseas. Nice sentiment, impossible to obtain.

As for the look, I actually kind of like 'em.